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July 1997


From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: (elongates) Hello
Date: 01 Jul 1997 10:40:11 -0400

Hello everybody,

I've been collecting elongated pennies for about 2 years now. I started
collecting during college - which I'll explain to the group
sometime.

I live in Boston, Massachusetts and am quite open to the trade the pennies
available here:

Boston Museum of Science:
Galaxy Penny - Horizontal - Has a picture of some planets and the moon?
Planetarium Penny - Horizontal - Has a picture of the planetarium machine
and the big and little dippers.

New England Aquarium of Boston:
Black Footed Penguin Penny - Vertical - one of the coolest pennies to date!
It's a black footed penguin.

I'm in the process of scanning in my modest penny collection (~175) and
will post them on my web page when all is said and done:
http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jdixon

- Jeff

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Countermarking method?
Date: 01 Jul 1997 21:30:56 -0400

R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi;
>
> I would like to "imprint" some U.S. cents. Is there a simple machine
> available that would "stamp" an image of say maybe a 1/4 square inch in area
> on a cent?
>
> My budget is too small to purchase a roller, but, I would like to mark some
> cents to be given away as promotional pieces if possible.
>
> Thanks, and happy collecting,
>
> -Bob
> TEC # 2033

It sounds like you want to mark your coins with a punch of some type.
As Chris said, the ready made ones are relatively inexpensive. Anything
else would have to be a special order.

It all depends upon how you want to mark your coins. There are those
Lincoln cents with all sorts of things stamped on them (a pipe, Kennedy,
Masonic emblem, etc). If that is your desire, you must find someone to
make the punch for you. Look in the phone book for "Die Sinkers
(makers)."

Letter and number punches are readily available for a few dollars each.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
TEC #1871

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 01 Jul 1997 21:43:03 -0400

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I've been collecting elongated pennies for about 2 years now. I started
> collecting during college - which I'll explain to the group
> sometime.
>
> I live in Boston, Massachusetts and am quite open to the trade the pennies
> available here:
>
> Boston Museum of Science:
> Galaxy Penny - Horizontal - Has a picture of some planets and the moon?
> Planetarium Penny - Horizontal - Has a picture of the planetarium machine
> and the big and little dippers.
>
> New England Aquarium of Boston:
> Black Footed Penguin Penny - Vertical - one of the coolest pennies to date!
> It's a black footed penguin.
>
> I'm in the process of scanning in my modest penny collection (~175) and
> will post them on my web page when all is said and done:
> http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jdixon
>
> - Jeff

Hi Jeff,

Saw your message on the elongateds list and wanted to let you know that
Ray Dillard (Mr. Elongated) will be at the NENA show in August. It is
in Marlborough at the Royal Plaza Trade Center, Route 20 West off
I-495. Dates are 22-23 August.

I am the President of NENA. If you come to the show, please look me
up. I'd be happy to meet you.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
TEC 1871

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Countermarking method? (fwd)
Date: 01 Jul 1997 19:12:40 -0700 (PDT)

---------- Forwarded message ----------

a striking response...
Christine from the Squished Penny Museum once aquired a penny with an imprint
struck into it. A woman at the NOW rally in D.C. a few years back had a big
pile of pennies and a hammer and an awl-like tool. She would pound the awl
thing with the hammer to imprint the word "CHOICE" on a penny. The awl device
had reversed letters on its end which, when struck with some force, would
make an impression on the soft copper. It sounds similar to the ones Aahz has
descibed as seeing at Home Depot, etc.
REPLY FROM: Pete Morelewicz
Return-Path: <owner-elongates@xmission.com>
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Message-ID: <Pine.3.88.9706301109.A18903-0100000@svpal.svpal.org>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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Bob,

Try your local Home Depot or Orchard Supply Hardware. Tell them
what you want to do, and they can probably help you out. I believe,
although I could be way off base here, that there are simple metal
punches available with lettering on them.
If you want a special logo designed, you'll probably need to call
a machine shop, or something similar.

Just a couple of guesses.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On Mon, 30 Jun 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> Hi;
>
> I would like to "imprint" some U.S. cents. Is there a simple machine
> available that would "stamp" an image of say maybe a 1/4 square inch in area
> on a cent?
>
> My budget is too small to purchase a roller, but, I would like to mark some
> cents to be given away as promotional pieces if possible.
>
> Thanks, and happy collecting,
>
> -Bob
> TEC # 2033
>
>

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 01 Jul 1997 19:43:07 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

>
> Hello everybody,

<snip>

> I'm in the process of scanning in my modest penny collection (~175) and
> will post them on my web page when all is said and done:
> http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jdixon
>
> - Jeff

Jeff,

I'm pretty ignorant of HTML, so forgive me if I'm using the wrong
word's here. From what I understand, there are ttwo ways to put graphics
on your webpage: 'Inline', one result of which is that graphics can't be
downloaded and, '????' which allows the graphics to be downloaded.

I use a non-graphical browser, so VASTLY prefer that when you
construct your page you do not put the graphics 'inline'. I know that
this is how Kathy does her page. Result: I can't see any of her
graphics! When the graphics are not done inline I can download them and
look at them offline.

Just one man's opinion/request.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Countermarking method?
Date: 02 Jul 1997 12:20:20 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-01 22:33:10 EDT, you write:

> It sounds like you want to mark your coins with a punch of some type.
> As Chris said, the ready made ones are relatively inexpensive. Anything
> else would have to be a special order.
>
> It all depends upon how you want to mark your coins. There are those
> Lincoln cents with all sorts of things stamped on them (a pipe, Kennedy,
> Masonic emblem, etc). If that is your desire, you must find someone to
> make the punch for you. Look in the phone book for "Die Sinkers
> (makers)."
>
> Letter and number punches are readily available for a few dollars each.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob Fritsch
> TEC #1871
>

Hi Bob;

Thank you for the reply. Sounds like good advice, I was hoping that there
would be some small device that would "line up" the die/punch or maybe a
small screw press of sorts. I'll make the calls suggested and see if I can't
come up with a new coin for our collections :-).

Happy Collecting,
-Bob
TEC#2033

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Countermarking method? (fwd)
Date: 02 Jul 1997 12:21:04 -0400 (EDT)

:

> a striking response...
> Christine from the Squished Penny Museum once aquired a penny with an
> imprint
> struck into it. A woman at the NOW rally in D.C. a few years back had a
big
> pile of pennies and a hammer and an awl-like tool. She would pound the awl

> thing with the hammer to imprint the word "CHOICE" on a penny. The awl
> device
> had reversed letters on its end which, when struck with some force, would
> make an impression on the soft copper. It sounds similar to the ones Aahz
> has
> descibed as seeing at Home Depot, etc.
> -

Pete;

Your striking response has made an impression on me! :-)

Was the awl-like device a single tool with several letters cut on it or was
there just one letter each on several tools?

Thanks,
-Bob
TEC#2033

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 02 Jul 1997 15:56:43 -0400

Hi Bob,

What does NENA stand for?

- Jeff

At 09:43 PM 7/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Jeff Dixon wrote:
>>
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> I've been collecting elongated pennies for about 2 years now. I started
>> collecting during college - which I'll explain to the group
>> sometime.
>>
>> I live in Boston, Massachusetts and am quite open to the trade the pennies
>> available here:
>>
>> Boston Museum of Science:
>> Galaxy Penny - Horizontal - Has a picture of some planets and the
moon?
>> Planetarium Penny - Horizontal - Has a picture of the planetarium machine
>> and the big and little dippers.
>>
>> New England Aquarium of Boston:
>> Black Footed Penguin Penny - Vertical - one of the coolest pennies to date!
>> It's a black footed penguin.
>>
>> I'm in the process of scanning in my modest penny collection (~175) and
>> will post them on my web page when all is said and done:
>> http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jdixon
>>
>> - Jeff
>
>Hi Jeff,
>
>Saw your message on the elongateds list and wanted to let you know that
>Ray Dillard (Mr. Elongated) will be at the NENA show in August. It is
>in Marlborough at the Royal Plaza Trade Center, Route 20 West off
>I-495. Dates are 22-23 August.
>
>I am the President of NENA. If you come to the show, please look me
>up. I'd be happy to meet you.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bob Fritsch
>TEC 1871
>
>

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 02 Jul 1997 16:25:50 -0700

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> What does NENA stand for?
>
> - Jeff
>
> At 09:43 PM 7/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Jeff Dixon wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello everybody,
> >>
> >> I've been collecting elongated pennies for about 2 years now. I started
> >> collecting during college - which I'll explain to the group
> >> sometime.
> >>
> >> I live in Boston, Massachusetts and am quite open to the trade the pennies
> >> available here:
> >>
> >> Boston Museum of Science:
> >> Galaxy Penny - Horizontal - Has a picture of some planets and the
> moon?
> >> Planetarium Penny - Horizontal - Has a picture of the planetarium machine
> >> and the big and little dippers.
> >>
> >> New England Aquarium of Boston:
> >> Black Footed Penguin Penny - Vertical - one of the coolest pennies to date!
> >> It's a black footed penguin.
> >>
> >> I'm in the process of scanning in my modest penny collection (~175) and
> >> will post them on my web page when all is said and done:
> >> http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jdixon
> >>
> >> - Jeff
> >
> >Hi Jeff,
> >
> >Saw your message on the elongateds list and wanted to let you know that
> >Ray Dillard (Mr. Elongated) will be at the NENA show in August. It is
> >in Marlborough at the Royal Plaza Trade Center, Route 20 West off
> >I-495. Dates are 22-23 August.
> >
> >I am the President of NENA. If you come to the show, please look me
> >up. I'd be happy to meet you.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Bob Fritsch
> >TEC 1871
> >
> >

My guess is that NENA = New England Numismatic Association.
--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: (elongates) Countermarks
Date: 02 Jul 1997 16:56:59 -0400

Hi all.

Two sources to try for dies for countermarking:

Henry A. Evers Corp.
72 N. Oxford St.
Providence, RI 02905
Ph. 401-781-4767
Fax 401-781-9581

OR

Centaur Forge. ltd.
P.O. Box 340-A
117 N. Spring St.
Burlington, WI 53105
Ph. 414-763-9175
Fax 414-763-8350

If you send Centaur Forge a hand drawn design of what you want, and the
desired overall height. They will send you a written quote within a few
days.

If you contact either of these companies, please let them know that
their information was passed along from ads in 'The Blade' magazine.

Good luck.

Ben Lavine
mcsquare@erols.com

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 02 Jul 1997 21:19:57 -0400

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> What does NENA stand for?
>
> - Jeff

New England Numismatic Association. We are the oldest regional club in
the US, and boast a membership of over 500. I would be happy to send
you our latest issue of our magazine and a membership application.
Please send your SnailMail address (only to me, not to the group) and
I'll get it in the mail immediately.

We are an ANA member club and are listed on their web site
(www.money.org).

Bob

NENA
PO Box 3003
Nashua, NH 03061-3003

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 02 Jul 1997 21:31:03 -0400

William C. Massey wrote:
> My guess is that NENA = New England Numismatic Association.
> --
> Elongatedly Yours,
>
> William C. Massey
> TEC #1857

Exactly right! Come see us for our 53rd Annual Conference and
Convention in Marlborough, MA the weekend before Labor Day (22-23 Aug).
We do a Friday/Saturday show as everybody seems to like that schedule.
Anthony Swiatek will be our keynote speaker and Ray Dillard will be
there to squash pennies. Should be lots of fun.

Bob Fritsch
rfritsch@concentric.net

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Countermarking method?
Date: 02 Jul 1997 20:43:52 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 2 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> Hi Bob;
>
> Thank you for the reply. Sounds like good advice, I was hoping that there
> would be some small device that would "line up" the die/punch or maybe a
> small screw press of sorts. I'll make the calls suggested and see if I can't
> come up with a new coin for our collections :-).
>
> Happy Collecting,
> -Bob
> TEC#2033
>
Bob,

Don't forget to let us all know how things work out!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 02 Jul 1997 20:50:20 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:

> Exactly right! Come see us for our 53rd Annual Conference and
> Convention in Marlborough, MA the weekend before Labor Day (22-23 Aug).

Isn't this the same weekend that ANA is in New York?

> We do a Friday/Saturday show as everybody seems to like that schedule.
> Anthony Swiatek will be our keynote speaker and Ray Dillard will be
> there to squash pennies. Should be lots of fun.

Be sure to pick up a few extras of Ray's elongates for trades!
Coin shows are one of my areas of interest, so you can count me in for
one of each variety from the show.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 03 Jul 1997 07:59:13 -0400

Bob Fritsch wrote:
>
> William C. Massey wrote:
> > My guess is that NENA = New England Numismatic Association.
> > --
> > Elongatedly Yours,
> >
> > William C. Massey
> > TEC #1857
>
> Exactly right! Come see us for our 53rd Annual Conference and
> Convention in Marlborough, MA the weekend before Labor Day (22-23 Aug).

Hi Bob!

What are the show hours for Fri. and Sat. 8/22, 8/23?

Thanks!

Ben Lavine
mcsquare@erols.com
> We do a Friday/Saturday show as everybody seems to like that schedule.
> Anthony Swiatek will be our keynote speaker and Ray Dillard will be
> there to squash pennies. Should be lots of fun.
>
> Bob Fritsch
> rfritsch@concentric.net

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Lord's Prayer elongates
Date: 03 Jul 1997 21:18:46 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Well, I've just confirmed that no one has, to date, completed a
listing of all of the Lord's Prayer elongated coins. Apparently, Angelo
Rosato began such a work, but was unable to complete it. The others who
have publicly announced their desire to do so have also found themselves
unable to make a serious effort, generally due to failing eyesight. So,
I have decided to take the plunge.

Martin-Dow's "Yesterday's Elongateds" lists nearly 200 variations
of elongated coins with the Lord's Prayer. This book was published in
1981 and covers primarily issues up to 1965. In addition, Doug
Fairbainks lists another five from this time period in his "Guide to
Unlisteds". I believe that there are more than 1,000 different
elongateds containing the text of the Lord's Prayer. Why so many
variations? Well, the simple answer is that the Lord's Prayer is both
timeless and popular. Most elongateds commemorate a special event or
site, thus a roller had a finite window in which to sell those issues.
However, A roller could cut a die with the Lord's Prayer and continue to
roll and sell it forever. Each roller would use his own formatting and
border design. Additionally, if you were ask ten people to recite the
Lord's Prayer you would hear at least four different variations on it.

As you can tell, this is a mammoth undertaking and one that can
not be done in a vacuum. So I am sending out a call for help. If you
receive an offer for a Lord's Prayer elongate, or see one for sale,
please either pick it up for me, or let me know how I can get hold of
it. If you have one (or more) Lord's Prayer elongates in your
collection, could you possibly send me a scan or photo of it/them?

Many people have expressed an interest in this work, and I will,
of course, give full credit to all of those who assist me in its
completion. Thank you in advance for your help!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Punk elongates?
Date: 04 Jul 1997 01:14:15 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

=09I just finished going thru about 1500 newsgroup messages from=20
95-present that showed up on searcehs for pressed pennies, elongated=20
cents, etc. I just had to share this post I found in the alt.punk=20
newsgroup. And to think, I thought I was the only person in the world=20
that was interested in BOTH punk music and the Lord's Prayer on elongates!
=09I guess it's true, if you spend enough time in cyberspace you'll=20
run across just about everything.

=09=09Peace,

=09=09=09Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT=20
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Message deleted -Subject matter and language.

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 04 Jul 1997 06:15:53 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:
>
> > Exactly right! Come see us for our 53rd Annual Conference and
> > Convention in Marlborough, MA the weekend before Labor Day (22-23 Aug).
>
> Isn't this the same weekend that ANA is in New York?

ANANY is 30 Jul - 3 Aug, one month before the NENA show.

> Be sure to pick up a few extras of Ray's elongates for trades!
> Coin shows are one of my areas of interest, so you can count me in for
> one of each variety from the show.

Will do!

Bob

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 04 Jul 1997 06:39:47 -0400

Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:
>
> Hi Bob!
>
> What are the show hours for Fri. and Sat. 8/22, 8/23?
>
> Thanks!

Show hours are 10AM - 6PM on Friday 22 August, and 9AM - 4PM on Saturday
23 August. The Royal Plaza Trade Center is located in Marlborough, MA,
Route 20 West, Exit 24B off I-495. It's about a mile from the
Interstate. If you have kids, bring them for the YN Fourm (Boy Scout
Coin Collecting Merit Badge can be signed off here; not sure about the
Girl Scout Collecting badge). We also have exhibits and speakers and a
What-Is-It? Table.

Be sure to say "Hi" when you come.

Bob

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Lord's Prayer elongates
Date: 04 Jul 1997 10:07:45 -0500

I have two that I will throw into your others at no charge.

janelle

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Countermarks
Date: 04 Jul 1997 12:06:32 -0400 (EDT)

Hi Ben!

Great leads! Thanks! I'll check them out next week.
All have a great weekend!
-Bob

In a message dated 97-07-03 22:27:49 EDT, you write:

> Hi all.
>
> Two sources to try for dies for countermarking:
>
> Henry A. Evers Corp.
> 72 N. Oxford St.
> Providence, RI 02905
> Ph. 401-781-4767
> Fax 401-781-9581
>
> OR
>
> Centaur Forge. ltd.
> P.O. Box 340-A
> 117 N. Spring St.
> Burlington, WI 53105
> Ph. 414-763-9175
> Fax 414-763-8350
>
> If you send Centaur Forge a hand drawn design of what you want, and the
> desired overall height. They will send you a written quote within a few
> days.
>
> If you contact either of these companies, please let them know that
> their information was passed along from ads in 'The Blade' magazine.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Ben Lavine
> mcsquare@erols.com
>

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From: ... <...>
Subject: (elongates) Machine Locations
Date: 04 Jul 1997 11:47:48 -0500

Does anyone know of any coin machines in Cleveland, Ohio? Is there a machine at the Rock-n-Roll Museum?
What about Memphis, TN? Are there any Elvis coins?
Any at Niagara Falls near Buffalo, NY?
I've already checked out Willy's Hitchhikers Guide and Bert's Smashed Coin Locator.
Please let me know. I may be visiting these locations very soon.
Thanks!
...
trueWeb Design
...
http://www.truewebdesign.com

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) elongated pennies from Disney World
Date: 04 Jul 1997 11:52:27 -0500

Does anyone have access to the full set of Disney World pennies? Would
like to obtain the full set (yes I know it is a large number) on pre-82
pennies. Is it possible? Thanks.

Janelle Henry

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Special NASA coin sign?
Date: 04 Jul 1997 23:45:57 -0700 (PDT)

There's a couple of interesting points in this Newsgroup post:

> > Subject: [10]Re: penny on railroad tracks
> > From: [11]catherine yronwode <yronwode@sonic.net>
> > Date: 1996/08/07
> > Message-Id: <32096F7A.7E25@sonic.net>
> > Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
> >
> > Andrew S Goldstein wrote:
> > >
> > > [13]swright@prairienet.org (Stephen Wright) writes:
> > >
> > > >Maggie Newman ([14]smnewman@gsbkma.uchicago.edu) wrote:
> > > >: ObLudditeRant: Nowadays, kids have everything done FOR 'em. My daughter
> > > >: owns a flattened penny created by the revisionist method of taking a
> > > >: regular penny to the Chicago Museum of Science
> > > >: and Industry where they have a *machine* that flattens the pennies just
> > > >: the same way a train would if you put it on the tracks. Waaah.

This just made me smile 8-)
> > >
> > > >I saw one of the penny-flattening machines in the "oasis" (highway rest
> > > >stop) near O'Hare. I was amused to see a machine designed for the
> > > >specific purpose of defacing U.S. currency in a public rest stop on an
> > > >Interstate highway!
> > >
I believe this machine is still active. Confirmations?

> > > >steve
> > >
> > > I've seen these in several places, the most interesting one being at the
> > > Boston Museum of Science. The machine includes a disclaimer that states
> > > that, although under normal circumstances defacing currency is illegal,
> > > that particular machine provides an exception. (You put in a penny and
> > > get out a government-sanctioned "NASA coin" with a picture of the space
> > > shuttle on it. I'm not sure, but I think you may have to pay an
> > > additional quarter as well.

Okay, here's the real question. Is this report authentic? Does
this sign actually say something to the effect of 'government-sanctioned'?!?

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Official Disney elongates Display?
Date: 05 Jul 1997 00:04:19 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Has anyone here heard anything about Disney creating a special
display for their coins?

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > Article 23 of 796
> >
> > Subject: [10]Re: Displaying Pressed Pennies?
> > From: [11]rhgru@aol.com (RHGRU)
> > Date: 1997/02/28
> > Message-Id: <19970228154800.KAA29113@ladder02.news.aol.com>
> > Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney.parks
> > [12][More Headers]
> >
> > On 25 Feb 1997 [13]rlange@everest.acpl.lib.in.us wrote:
> > > Now that we've come home with our pockets overflowing with our newly
> > >aquired pressed pennies, and quarters, what is the best way to display
> > >them? Anybody out there have any ideas? Interested to hear your
> > >responses. Ryan Lange
> >
> > Ryan: When we were at OKWR last Janaury 15, I asked in the gift shop
> > about a display case for penny presses and one of the CM's told me that
> > they are working on one. They have had many requests for one because the
> > penny presses have become so popular.
> >
> > Rhona Grumet
> > DVC Member
> >
>

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Another possible machine location
Date: 05 Jul 1997 00:32:07 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

Here is yet another possible machine location that my newsgroup
search pulled up.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Article 429 of 796
> >
> > Subject: [10]Re: TRIVIA TIME!!!
> > From: [11]lani@lava.net (Mama Lani)
> > Date: 1996/01/02
> > Message-Id: <4cc6dv$l2k@nuhou.aloha.net>
> > Newsgroups: soc.culture.hawaii
> >
> > The famous Matsumoto's Shave Ice is in Haleiwa, also. If you don't wanna
> > stand in a long line, or spend lots of money on a souvenir, you can get a
> > pressed penny outside their shop for just 51 cents (two quarters and a
> > penny). It squishes your penny and presses a Matsumoto's shop logo onto
> > the penny. Makes a cute souvenir.
> >
> >
> > --
> > * This is Lani Teshima-Miller, posting live from Honolulu, Hawaii on LAVA *
> > * We paved paradise, put up a parking lot--and now our state govt's broke *
> > * lani@lava.net--fun stuff; teshima@hawaii.edu--work stuff, tax-supported *
> > * Rec.arts.bodyart Tattoo FAQ maintainer...FDC Walkaround Mr. Potato Head *

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Another possible machine location
Date: 05 Jul 1997 01:40:33 -0700

Hi Chris,

I can confirm the Matsumoto Penny Machine. I was there last Sunday. I added
this one and one other Haleiwa machine to my Hawaii home page.

Bert
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> Greetings and Salutations!
>
> Here is yet another possible machine location that my newsgroup
> search pulled up.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
> List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > Article 429 of 796
> > >
> > > Subject: [10]Re: TRIVIA TIME!!!
> > > From: [11]lani@lava.net (Mama Lani)
> > > Date: 1996/01/02
> > > Message-Id: <4cc6dv$l2k@nuhou.aloha.net>
> > > Newsgroups: soc.culture.hawaii
> > >
> > > The famous Matsumoto's Shave Ice is in Haleiwa, also. If you don't wanna
> > > stand in a long line, or spend lots of money on a souvenir, you can get a
> > > pressed penny outside their shop for just 51 cents (two quarters and a
> > > penny). It squishes your penny and presses a Matsumoto's shop logo onto
> > > the penny. Makes a cute souvenir.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > * This is Lani Teshima-Miller, posting live from Honolulu, Hawaii on LAVA *
> > > * We paved paradise, put up a parking lot--and now our state govt's broke *
> > > * lani@lava.net--fun stuff; teshima@hawaii.edu--work stuff, tax-supported *
> > > * Rec.arts.bodyart Tattoo FAQ maintainer...FDC Walkaround Mr. Potato Head *

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) A few more locations...
Date: 05 Jul 1997 02:03:59 -0700 (PDT)


Okay, here's the last of the locations I found in the newsgroups:

1) The Meteor Crater. I believe this is in Arizona.

2) Science Museum - Columbus, OH. Reported cost: $1.00

3) Santa Monica, CA pier - two designs (octopus and roller coaster)
reported 6/16/97

4) 'Just about any' rest stop on the NY State Thruway. Cost: 25c
from hand cranked machines.

5) The Museum of Science and Industry reportedly had a machine in
the mid-'70s

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine Locations
Date: 05 Jul 1997 02:20:38 -0700

Hi Kathy,

You will find Eurolink machines at Sea World Of Ohio. Here's some info from
their Home Page:

Conveniently located between Cleveland and Akron, the park is easily
accessible from
Ohio Turnpike exit 9, 13, 13A and Interstates 271 and 480.

You might also call the Cleveland Zoo and see if they have any machines. I
found Zoo Security
departments seem to have a good idea of where the machines are...

I know you will find Eurolink machines in Nashville at OprylandUSA (a theme
park). In Memphis, you will find Eurolink's at the Memphis Zoo
<http://www.memphiszoo.org/>. If you have a Zoo pass (annual pass) from Texas,
be sure to take it, many Zoo's honor passes from other Zoo's. There's a ZooNet
home page (don't have the URL in front of me...) that lists the Zoo's that
participate in reciprical agreements...

In addition, Eurolink has machines at the Six Flags parks which are located in
Los Angeles, San Antonio, Dallas, Houston, St. Louis, Chicago, New Jersey and Atlanta.

As always, please jot down any Smashed Coin Locator info... I'd love to add
these sites to my home pages so more of us can find the machines...

Have a Smashing Good Time 8-)
Bert

... wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of any coin machines in Cleveland, Ohio? Is there a machine at the Rock-n-Roll Museum?
> What about Memphis, TN? Are there any Elvis coins?
> Any at Niagara Falls near Buffalo, NY?
> I've already checked out Willy's Hitchhikers Guide and Bert's Smashed Coin Locator.
> Please let me know. I may be visiting these locations very soon.
> Thanks!
> ...
> trueWeb Design
> ...
> http://www.truewebdesign.com

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine Locations
Date: 05 Jul 1997 02:41:52 -0700

Kathy,

A little more info...

Cedar Point theme park has Eurolink machines and is on Lake Erie in Sandusky,
Ohio. Take the Ohio Turnpike (I-80) to Exit 7 and follow the signs north on
U.S. Route 250, or take
Exit 6A and follow Route 4 north. Once you reach Sandusky, just follow the
signs.

Bert

... wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of any coin machines in Cleveland, Ohio? Is there a machine at the Rock-n-Roll Museum?
> What about Memphis, TN? Are there any Elvis coins?
> Any at Niagara Falls near Buffalo, NY?
> I've already checked out Willy's Hitchhikers Guide and Bert's Smashed Coin Locator.
> Please let me know. I may be visiting these locations very soon.
> Thanks!
> ...
> trueWeb Design
> ...
> http://www.truewebdesign.com

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) elongated pennies from Disney World
Date: 05 Jul 1997 07:55:17 -0400

James Henry wrote:
>
> Does anyone have access to the full set of Disney World pennies? Would
> like to obtain the full set (yes I know it is a large number) on pre-82
> pennies. Is it possible? Thanks.
>
> Janelle Henry

Hi Janelle;

Try Big Al at ramsayal@ix.netcom.com (Big Al & Pooh Too)

or PinocProd@aol.com

Good luck.

Ben Lavine
mcsquare@erols.com

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Special NASA coin sign?
Date: 05 Jul 1997 07:57:15 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> There's a couple of interesting points in this Newsgroup post:
>
> > > Subject: [10]Re: penny on railroad tracks
> > > From: [11]catherine yronwode <yronwode@sonic.net>
> > > Date: 1996/08/07
> > > Message-Id: <32096F7A.7E25@sonic.net>
> > > Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
> > >
> > > Andrew S Goldstein wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [13]swright@prairienet.org (Stephen Wright) writes:
> > > >
> > > > >Maggie Newman ([14]smnewman@gsbkma.uchicago.edu) wrote:
> > > > >: ObLudditeRant: Nowadays, kids have everything done FOR 'em. My daughter
> > > > >: owns a flattened penny created by the revisionist method of taking a
> > > > >: regular penny to the Chicago Museum of Science
> > > > >: and Industry where they have a *machine* that flattens the pennies just
> > > > >: the same way a train would if you put it on the tracks. Waaah.
>
> This just made me smile 8-)
> > > >
> > > > >I saw one of the penny-flattening machines in the "oasis" (highway rest
> > > > >stop) near O'Hare. I was amused to see a machine designed for the
> > > > >specific purpose of defacing U.S. currency in a public rest stop on an
> > > > >Interstate highway!
> > > >
> I believe this machine is still active. Confirmations?
>
> > > > >steve
> > > >
> > > > I've seen these in several places, the most interesting one being at the
> > > > Boston Museum of Science. The machine includes a disclaimer that states
> > > > that, although under normal circumstances defacing currency is illegal,
> > > > that particular machine provides an exception. (You put in a penny and
> > > > get out a government-sanctioned "NASA coin" with a picture of the space
> > > > shuttle on it. I'm not sure, but I think you may have to pay an
> > > > additional quarter as well.
>
> Okay, here's the real question. Is this report authentic? Does
> this sign actually say something to the effect of 'government-sanctioned'?!?
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
> List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Hi Chris.

I don't think there's any such message. Just your typical "Is It Legal"
type wording.

C-U

Ben Lavine

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) 25 subscribers
Date: 05 Jul 1997 18:03:48 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

<celebratory noises in background>
As of this afternoon, The Elongated Coin Mailing List officially
has 25 subscribers! When I was contemplating starting this list I
assumed there would be around 25 members. Well, we've hit that in a mere
two weeks! I'm very excited about this. In addition, the TEC News
article has not yet been released, and I expect to get more sunscribers
from there.

I just had to share this milestone with all of you. I hope you
all are enjoying the list as much as I am.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Dresd85854@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) 25 subscribers
Date: 05 Jul 1997 22:28:11 -0400 (EDT)

Chris,
My name is Mark and I have not actually received a list or any type of
article regarding EC's. I simply subscribed to the mailing list today. I
would be very interested however in any EC related information that might be
coming this way.
Thanks,
Mark

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) 25 subscribers
Date: 05 Jul 1997 19:34:32 -0700 (PDT)

Mark,

Welcome to the list! Don't worry, just hang in there and you
will start to see messages from the list in your mailbox. Thus far, the
majority of the posts have been trade lists and machine locations. As
the membership grows and people become more comfortable with how a
mailing list works, there will (hopefully 8-) be more general discussion
as well.

How long have you been collecting elongates? Do you have a
specialty area? Are you a TEC member?

Maybe we should each start posting brief bios about ourselves?

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) WF Elongates @ Auction
Date: 06 Jul 1997 01:52:11 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

I was just looking thru the June 30th ish of Coin World (Yeah, I
know it's pretty old already) and discovered a mail bid auction that
contains some WF elongates. Thought some of you might want to bid, so
here's the info:

Jim's Coin Service
P.O. Box 1981
Appleton, WI 54913
Phone: 414-739-1089
FAX: 414-739-3592

Mail Bid Sale Number: 245, Closing Date: July 9,1997
BID BY LOT NUMBER

No minimum bids were listed, so I have added a few notes on pricing from
my admittedlt limited experience.

LOT # DESCRIPTION MY NOTES
~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~
1978 1901 Pan-Expo Electric Tower Martin-Dow lists 8
different coins this
COULD be. All rarity 2
($3-$6) <1981 prices>
Avg price: $6-$18
1979 1901 Pan-Expo Liberal Arts Martin-Dow lists 3
different. Rarity 1-2
($1-$6)
Avg Price: $6-$18
1980 1901 Pan-Expo Temple Music Martin-Dow lists 4
different. Rarity 2-3
($3-$12)
AVG Price: $6-$25

Hope this helps someone!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Another possible machine location
Date: 06 Jul 1997 06:16:29 -0500

Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I can confirm the Matsumoto Penny Machine. I was there last Sunday. I added
> this one and one other Haleiwa machine to my Hawaii home page.
>
> Bert
> http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html
>
> Chris Aahz wrote:
> >
> > Greetings and Salutations!
> >
> > Here is yet another possible machine location that my newsgroup
> > search pulled up.
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > Aahz
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> > The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
> > List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
> > "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > Article 429 of 796
> > > >
> > > > Subject: [10]Re: TRIVIA TIME!!!
> > > > From: [11]lani@lava.net (Mama Lani)
> > > > Date: 1996/01/02
> > > > Message-Id: <4cc6dv$l2k@nuhou.aloha.net>
> > > > Newsgroups: soc.culture.hawaii
> > > >
> > > > The famous Matsumoto's Shave Ice is in Haleiwa, also. If you don't wanna
> > > > stand in a long line, or spend lots of money on a souvenir, you can get a
> > > > pressed penny outside their shop for just 51 cents (two quarters and a
> > > > penny). It squishes your penny and presses a Matsumoto's shop logo onto
> > > > the penny. Makes a cute souvenir.
> > > >

Have tried for two days to get to Hawaii Home page. Any problems?
Would like to know about getting a penny or two from the Matsumoto shop.

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Another possible machine location
Date: 06 Jul 1997 10:06:00 -0700

Hi,

I have tried to get to the page also. It is run out of Austin Texas by my
company... Something must have happened... It will probably get resolved
tomorrow. Thanks for alerting me...

I was only able to get a few Matsumoto's, but will get many more next
month. I can trade one now, and more in August.

bc

On 7/6/97 4:16 AM James Henry (jameshenry@sprintmail.com ) wrote

>
>Have tried for two days to get to Hawaii Home page. Any problems?
>Would like to know about getting a penny or two from the Matsumoto shop.

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: (elongates) More information on the Museum of Science Space Shuttle penny
Date: 07 Jul 1997 09:41:52 -0400

Hello everybody,

I saw the Space Shuttle penny machine a year or so ago. However, I forgot
to press one. It had the standard disclaimer - but didn't
list any "official government sanction."

I'm looking for one if anybody knows where I can get my hands on it. :)

Thanks,

- Jeff

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: (elongates) New address
Date: 07 Jul 1997 16:16:29 -0400

I have a new home address (for the people who care):

Jeff Dixon
422 Mystic Ave Apt 404
Somerville, MA 02145

- Jeff :)

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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) PA Turnpike machines
Date: 07 Jul 1997 22:40:08 -0700 (PDT)

Came across this article in r.c.c. today. Anyone here planning a trip
along said turnpike?

> Article 4 of 5
>
> Subject: Re: Elongates (Was: Shame on Family of Eagles)
> From: "David J. Hickson" <dhickson@monmouth.com>
> Date: 1997/07/07
> Message-Id: <33C165BB.5F10@monmouth.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.collecting.coins
> [More Headers]
>
> I always understood that elogates would be equivalent to "defacing" a
> coin, something that I thought was illegal. Imagine how tickled I was
> to travel the PA turnpike recently and find hand-crank mills at the
> turnpike authority rest stops for elongating pennies (for a donation of
> an additional 50 cents, of course!) The machine allows the operator to
> select one of four designs, including the L.P. My daughter loves 'em
> and now I am starting to get a small accumulation of them... They
> certainly look better with a pre-'82 cent for the fodder, though!
>
> David Hickson
> Jackson, NJ
> dhickson@monmouth.com
>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: (elongates) Disney World penny set
Date: 08 Jul 1997 08:16:42 -0400

I looked at Big Al's web page. I guess he's charging $300 for a set. Does
this seem high/extreme to other people?

- Jeff

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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney World penny set
Date: 08 Jul 1997 14:04:22 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-08 11:55:42 EDT, you write:

> I looked at Big Al's web page. I guess he's charging $300 for a set. Does
> this seem high/extreme to other people?
>

Guess it is what ever folks will pay. I prefer to just trade. But, if I
could sell say ten sets........... :-)

-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney World penny set
Date: 08 Jul 1997 14:08:06 -0400

Or sell a hundred... :^)

At 02:04 PM 7/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-07-08 11:55:42 EDT, you write:
>
>> I looked at Big Al's web page. I guess he's charging $300 for a set. Does
>> this seem high/extreme to other people?
>>
>
>Guess it is what ever folks will pay. I prefer to just trade. But, if I
>could sell say ten sets........... :-)
>
>-Bob Hoff
>TEC # 2033
>
>
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney World penny set
Date: 08 Jul 1997 12:14:17 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

>
> I looked at Big Al's web page. I guess he's charging $300 for a set. Does
> this seem high/extreme to other people?
>
> - Jeff

$300 seems VERY high, unless it's perhaps a complete set since
the coins were installed, and contains all of the limited run coins. How
many coins are in the set?

BTW, what's his URL?

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney World penny set
Date: 08 Jul 1997 15:19:32 -0400

201 coins.

Here's his URL:
http://www.netcom.com/~ramsayal/disney.html
- Jeff

At 12:14 PM 7/8/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
>>
>> I looked at Big Al's web page. I guess he's charging $300 for a set. Does
>> this seem high/extreme to other people?
>>
>> - Jeff
>
> $300 seems VERY high, unless it's perhaps a complete set since
>the coins were installed, and contains all of the limited run coins. How
>many coins are in the set?
>
> BTW, what's his URL?
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
>The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
>List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
>"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
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411 Waverley Oaks Road
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine Locations (fwd)
Date: 08 Jul 1997 12:20:28 -0700 (PDT)

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Right next to the official Graceland gift shops are the unofficial tourist
huts. There are 8 Elvis designs in one of the stores, for a whopping $1.00
each. Gotta love those royalty fees!

Kathy,

A little more info...

Cedar Point theme park has Eurolink machines and is on Lake Erie in Sandusky,
Ohio. Take the Ohio Turnpike (I-80) to Exit 7 and follow the signs north on
U.S. Route 250, or take
Exit 6A and follow Route 4 north. Once you reach Sandusky, just follow the
signs.

Bert

... wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of any coin machines in Cleveland, Ohio? Is there a
machine at the Rock-n-Roll Museum?
> What about Memphis, TN? Are there any Elvis coins?
> Any at Niagara Falls near Buffalo, NY?
> I've already checked out Willy's Hitchhikers Guide and Bert's Smashed Coin
Locator.
> Please let me know. I may be visiting these locations very soon.
> Thanks!
> ...
> trueWeb Design
> ...
> http://www.truewebdesign.com

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) New machine located in Minnesota
Date: 08 Jul 1997 14:39:18 -0500

I just heard there is a new machine at Underwater World at the Mall of
America. This is seperate from the Knott's Camp Snoopy set of 7. I
will be going there in the next couple of days so if anyone is
interested in a set from Underwater world or the 7 from the Mall of
America, let me know. I do make all on pre82 pennies FYI.

Janelle Henry

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New machine located in Minnesota
Date: 08 Jul 1997 15:47:15 -0400

Can you pick me up a set?

- Jeff
At 02:39 PM 7/8/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I just heard there is a new machine at Underwater World at the Mall of
>America. This is seperate from the Knott's Camp Snoopy set of 7. I
>will be going there in the next couple of days so if anyone is
>interested in a set from Underwater world or the 7 from the Mall of
>America, let me know. I do make all on pre82 pennies FYI.
>
>Janelle Henry
>
>
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Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Big Al's Disney World set offer
Date: 08 Jul 1997 12:55:26 -0700 (PDT)

Okay, I just checked out Big Al's offer. Elsewhere on his page
he mentions that all of the items he offers include a "minimal service
charge" he's actually set up an entire page to explain this charge, but
it comes down to a 20% surcharge on items in the parks, and no surcharge
on items outside the park.

There are 201 pennies offered in his set, at 51c each, this
totals $102.51. Add the 20% surcharge it totals $121.02. Postage can't
be more than $6, as I've received a couple seperate lots of 100 that were
sent for $3 each. Obviously, collecting this set takes more effort then
picking up a single souvenir, but I would also assume that he collects
several sets at once, spreading this effort over several sales. My
opinion: $200 is a more than fair price for this set. $300 seems extreme.

I've sent a message to Al including all of the numbers and asking
him to clarify the high price tag. If I hear back, I will forward his
response to the list.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: (elongates) Re: Disney World penny set
Date: 08 Jul 1997 16:01:12 -0400

This is what he sent me as a response...

- Jeff

>From: "Big Al & Pooh Too!" <ramsayal@ix.netcom.com>
>To: "Jeff Dixon" <jeffd@rosemary.kurzweil.com>
>Subject: Re: Disney World penny set
>Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:24:53 -0400
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>
>Hi Jeff!
>
>Yes, If you want the entire set of pressed pennies, the cost is $300.00
>(which is cheaper than $3.00 per penny if you just collect a few of them).
>
>If you were to come to Orlando to collect these pennies your approximate
>cost would be $102 for the pennies themselves, $217 for admission to all
>the theme parks, water parks, attractions and hotels where the machines are
>located, cost of a hotel stay, transportation costs, and about 1 to 2 days
>of your own time to physically go from place to place collecting each
>penny.
>
>It takes me about 2 full days to get each penny available, especially in
>the summer when the parks are more crowded. Sometimes the machines are
>moved to different locations than where they should be and I have to cover
>every inch of the park to find it for my customer.
>
>Nobody else does this that I am aware of and I think $300.00 is a fair
>price to pay if you're a serious collector of these pressed pennies.
>
>One more note, when the pennies are pressed through the machine, they are
>completely flattened and imprinted with whatever character you desire.
>There is no way to tell what year the penny was made (the date is not on
>the penny) unless you know of a difference between pre-1982 pennies and new
>pennies. Just curious...
>
>We would be happy to get the complete set for you if you want them, just
>let us know....
>
>Your Friend in the Parks,
>Big Al
>
>http://www.netcom.com/~ramsayal/disney.html
>
>
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Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) This is a test!
Date: 08 Jul 1997 13:59:58 -0700 (PDT)

A message got bounced today, and I'm not sure why, so I'm experimenting
to see if this will get bounced as well. Please excuse the intrusion.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Administrative note
Date: 08 Jul 1997 14:41:28 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

Okay, I just learned something new about Majordomo (the mailing
list software) that I thought I should pass on to all of you.

Bert Creighton sent a message to the list requesting to be added
to the list of people that wanted Janelle's recently offered Minnesota set.
Majordomo bounced the message to me because when Bert used the words "add*me"
(without the asterick) the software thought he wanted to be added to the
Mailing List. Thus no one but me got the message. I have since forwarded the
message to Janelle, so you should be on her list now Bert 8-)

The moral of the story: If possible, try to avoid using the
words 'add' and 'me' directly after each other as the message will get
bounced.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Disney World penny set
Date: 08 Jul 1997 14:49:49 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> This is what he sent me as a response...

> >Nobody else does this that I am aware of and I think $300.00 is a fair
> >price to pay if you're a serious collector of these pressed pennies.

This is, I suppose, the cruxt of the issue. If he's the
exclusive supplier, he can charge whatever he wants. I am curious,
however, how many sets he's sold at this price.

> >One more note, when the pennies are pressed through the machine, they are
> >completely flattened and imprinted with whatever character you desire.
> >There is no way to tell what year the penny was made (the date is not on
> >the penny) unless you know of a difference between pre-1982 pennies and new
> >pennies. Just curious...

I assume you informed him of the zinc content. If not, someone
should. Even if his prices are overly inflated those who pay deserve to
get a quality product.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Disney World penny set
Date: 08 Jul 1997 23:16:41 -0400 (EDT)

You would think that a guy this much into pressed pennies would know the
difference between pre-'82 and new pennies.
Should we enlighten him?

Mickey M

In a message dated 7/9/97 8:26:56 AM , Big Al wrote:

<< >One more note, when the pennies are pressed through the machine, they are
>completely flattened and imprinted with whatever character you desire.
>There is no way to tell what year the penny was made (the date is not on
>the penny) unless you know of a difference between pre-1982 pennies and new
>pennies. Just curious... >>

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Re: Disneyworld Pressed Pennies (fwd)
Date: 08 Jul 1997 22:25:31 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Okay, for those of you interested in Big Al's Disney World set,
here is the reply he sent me. It all makes pretty good sense to me.
Bottom line: How many people here want to order these sets? We could
pool money and bring the price way down!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Hi Chris,

Thanks for your message, I'm sorry if our fees are confusing but the
service charge only applies to merchandise requested by Disney fans. If it
is already on our web page with service fees, s&h included then that is the
price we are charging.

We have been on the internet providing our service since January of this
year. Since then, this is the most interest we have had in the pressed
pennies at Walt Disney World. We do NOT keep sets on hand just in case
someone wants a set. When someone wants a set, we go out and get them at
that time, so that answers your question about multiple sets and our price
of $300 ($1.50 per penny). That does not mean that if you want 2 or 3 sets
of pennies for yourself that we will charge you $300 for each set. In
fact, any additional set ordered with the first set will only cost the
price of the pennies or $102.50. (i.e., 3 sets of pennies = $505 or $.84
per penny). Basically our service fee for getting all 201 pennies is
$197.50 which includes the shipping & handling too. The more sets you
order at a time, the less cost per penny it will be!

The 201 pennies include duplicate characters but made from different
machines using different dies, hence, unique pennies. There are actually
only 120 different characters (at last count) available. So if you didn't
want the repeat characters, we would only charge $180 for the set.

I hope this answers some of your questions and if we can be of service to
you, please let us know...

Your Friend in the Parks,
Big Al

http://www.netcom.com/~ramsayal/disney.html

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Another possible machine location
Date: 08 Jul 1997 22:54:13 -0700 (PDT)

---------- Forwarded message ----------

I saw another machine recently; I think it was inside the Liberty
Science Center here in New Jersey near the Liberty Island and Ellis
Island.

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Disney World penny set
Date: 09 Jul 1997 09:31:59 -0400

I did explain that if I was going to shell out $300 that it would have to
be pre-1982. I explained the zinc content information.

I agree -- if this guy had filled one order for 201 pennies, he would know
the difference.
- Jeff

>You would think that a guy this much into pressed pennies would know the
>difference between pre-'82 and new pennies.
>Should we enlighten him?
>
>Mickey M
>
>In a message dated 7/9/97 8:26:56 AM , Big Al wrote:
>
><< >One more note, when the pennies are pressed through the machine, they are
> >completely flattened and imprinted with whatever character you desire.
> >There is no way to tell what year the penny was made (the date is not on
> >the penny) unless you know of a difference between pre-1982 pennies and new
> >pennies. Just curious... >>
>
>
>
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Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Disneyworld Pressed Pennies (fwd)
Date: 09 Jul 1997 09:39:55 -0400

A very interesting point. I would like to purchase a set -- but I don't
want to spend $300.

What do other people think?

- Jeff

At 10:25 PM 7/8/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Greetings & Salutations!
>
> Okay, for those of you interested in Big Al's Disney World set,
>here is the reply he sent me. It all makes pretty good sense to me.
>Bottom line: How many people here want to order these sets? We could
>pool money and bring the price way down!
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
>The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
>List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
>"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 23:49:28 -0400
>From: Big Al & Pooh Too! <ramsayal@ix.netcom.com>
>To: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
>Subject: Re: Disneyworld Pressed Pennies
>
>Hi Chris,
>
>Thanks for your message, I'm sorry if our fees are confusing but the
>service charge only applies to merchandise requested by Disney fans. If it
>is already on our web page with service fees, s&h included then that is the
>price we are charging.
>
>We have been on the internet providing our service since January of this
>year. Since then, this is the most interest we have had in the pressed
>pennies at Walt Disney World. We do NOT keep sets on hand just in case
>someone wants a set. When someone wants a set, we go out and get them at
>that time, so that answers your question about multiple sets and our price
>of $300 ($1.50 per penny). That does not mean that if you want 2 or 3 sets
>of pennies for yourself that we will charge you $300 for each set. In
>fact, any additional set ordered with the first set will only cost the
>price of the pennies or $102.50. (i.e., 3 sets of pennies = $505 or $.84
>per penny). Basically our service fee for getting all 201 pennies is
>$197.50 which includes the shipping & handling too. The more sets you
>order at a time, the less cost per penny it will be!
>
>The 201 pennies include duplicate characters but made from different
>machines using different dies, hence, unique pennies. There are actually
>only 120 different characters (at last count) available. So if you didn't
>want the repeat characters, we would only charge $180 for the set.
>
>I hope this answers some of your questions and if we can be of service to
>you, please let us know...
>
>Your Friend in the Parks,
>Big Al
>
>http://www.netcom.com/~ramsayal/disney.html
>
>
>
>
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Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 09 Jul 1997 08:57:18 -0500

Lets try to get a large order for these. If 10 of us order them the
total cost could get down to as low as $122.25 (102.50 for the set and
$19.75 or 1/10 the $197.50 shipping and handling charge). Sounds better
all the time. Put me down for a set.

Janelle

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From: Dresd85854@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Disney World penny set
Date: 09 Jul 1997 11:06:59 -0400 (EDT)

I have been getting a lot of postings regarding the WDW pennies and whether
or not they are pre-82. I am a newbie. What's the significance?
Thanks,
Mark

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Disney World penny set
Date: 09 Jul 1997 11:14:22 -0400

Hi Mark,

1982 and newer pennies contain a large amount of zinc. As a result, it
leaves a "silver sheen" across the penny.
On some penny presses, I haven't been able to tell the difference. But,
most of the time it's pretty easy to tell.

This "silver sheen" degrades from the look of the penny. It also makes
smaller details harder to see.

At first I thought it was a bit silly, but after pressing two pennies in a
machine I saw the difference immediately.

Try one of each next time you're at a machine. :)

- Jeff

P.S. Do you want to trade? I have pennies from the Boston area.
*shameless trade plug*

At 11:06 AM 7/9/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I have been getting a lot of postings regarding the WDW pennies and whether
>or not they are pre-82. I am a newbie. What's the significance?
>Thanks,
>Mark
>
>
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Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: "Wayne D. Michael" <wayne.d.michael@boeing.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Disney World penny set
Date: 09 Jul 1997 09:29:01 -0700

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> 1982 and newer pennies contain a large amount of zinc. As a result, it
> leaves a "silver sheen" across the penny.
> On some penny presses, I haven't been able to tell the difference. But,
> most of the time it's pretty easy to tell.
>
> This "silver sheen" degrades from the look of the penny. It also makes
> smaller details harder to see.
>

Even worse, that silver sheen you see will quickly turn an
ugly black.

How fast this happens depends on your climate. It could take
a few months to a few years.

--
Wayne Michael Boeing North American
wayne.d.michael@boeing.com 3370 Miraloma Ave.
(714) 762-8540 FAX 762-0528 Anaheim, CA
M.C. DC28 Dept. 266 92803

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From: "Wayne D. Michael" <wayne.d.michael@boeing.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) questions about enlongated coins from Disney Land
Date: 09 Jul 1997 09:46:05 -0700

Hi,

I just wanted to give everyone an update, and to thank people for the
pointers to the Disneyland Pressed Penny guides.

I was going to try and update the list of the D. L. machine locations,
but David Tomita already has done an excellent job of this at:

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/3599/

(He says his site is not ready for prime time yet, but it is already ten
times better than any list I would have made.)

I spent the last couple Friday evenings pushing my son's stroller
around pressing pennys (and nickels and quarters), while my wife and
daughter went on the rides.

These pressing machines are quite popular, and I frequently had to wait
in line to get to the machine I needed. I can understand why "Big Al"
has to charge so much for his Disney World set. (BTW. I would love to
have one of his Disney World sets, but my coin buying budget is far too
limited to allow for it...)


We make regular trips to D. L. , so if someone wants to arrange
for a trade, please contact me privately. I am extremely interested in
the limited edition or seasonal pressed coins from Disneyland.

--
Wayne Michael Boeing North American
wayne.d.michael@boeing.com 3370 Miraloma Ave.
(714) 762-8540 FAX 762-0528 Anaheim, CA
M.C. DC28 Dept. 266 92803

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 09 Jul 1997 09:47:15 -0700 (PDT)

Okay, we've got three people lined up for the Disney World sets
right now. I'd like to get at least another three sets in the order to
help bring the price down. I know we've got some serious Disney fans on
the list. I'm also contacting a couple of people off-list. Let's use
the power of collective bargaining and get some financial savings as well
as information from the list! I'm about 99% positive that when we order
multiple sets at one time, Big Al will probably find a way to get us all
copper pennies.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) questions about enlongated coins from Disney Land
Date: 09 Jul 1997 09:57:22 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Wayne D. Michael wrote:

> but David Tomita already has done an excellent job of this at:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/3599/
>
> (He says his site is not ready for prime time yet, but it is already ten
> times better than any list I would have made.

This is great! The last update was iover a year ago.
>
> These pressing machines are quite popular, and I frequently had to wait
> in line to get to the machine I needed. I can understand why "Big Al"
> has to charge so much for his Disney World set.

My largest problem was that he didn't need to do that labor for
EVERY set. But this has been addressed, and that's why I'm not arguing
with the multiple set prices. Heck, I said I figured $200 was a fair
price, and we'll be getting them for less.

> (BTW. I would love to
> have one of his Disney World sets, but my coin buying budget is far too
> limited to allow for it...)
>
As you've read, the more people we sign up, the less they're
going to cost. If we get six (which I think is very doable), the price
is only 135.42. For 200 different specific elongates, this is a pretty
good price.

>
> We make regular trips to D. L. , so if someone wants to arrange
> for a trade, please contact me privately. I am extremely interested in
> the limited edition or seasonal pressed coins from Disneyland.

I've been hunting pretty hard for the Limited Edition DL issues.
If you find some somewhere, please let me know, and I'll do the same.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 09 Jul 1997 10:48:23 -0700

Greetings Everyone,

I'm a big Disney fan and will join in for a set of coins from Big Al.

One thought... at Disneyland I use 1996 (new shiny) pennies and get great
results on most of the Eurolink machines. There are a couple of older
designs (such as the one in the Main Street RR Station) that do show the
zinc smearing, but most of them work great with 96 coins. Eurolink also
supplies machines to WDW and I would guess many of them will look good on
new coins. If we all are paying the money, we want to get the best
results. Assuming the WDW machines work as well as Disneyland machines,
I'd be happy to get newer pennies (and pre-82's for any machines that
show smearing)... We'll probably need to keep this simple... What do you
all think...

One last note... A power outage knocked out the machine my Smashed Coin
Locator site is on (4th of July through Monday morning). It is back up
and running now. Thanks to those of you that alerted me to the outage and
for your being patient. 8-)

Bert Creighton
<http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html
>

On 7/9/97 9:47 AM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>
> Okay, we've got three people lined up for the Disney World sets
>right now. I'd like to get at least another three sets in the order to
>help bring the price down. I know we've got some serious Disney fans on
>the list. I'm also contacting a couple of people off-list. Let's use
>the power of collective bargaining and get some financial savings as well
>as information from the list! I'm about 99% positive that when we order
>multiple sets at one time, Big Al will probably find a way to get us all
>copper pennies.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
>The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
>List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
>"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Elongate Paint?
Date: 09 Jul 1997 13:46:48 -0400 (EDT)

Hi;

I have noticed that some of the pros use a die or paint of some kind to
"tint" the obverse of the coins that they use to make EC's. After the coin
has been elongated, the "flat side" shows the image of the original coin and
the date because of the "tinting". Could you share with me / us the way in
which this is done, and where the "paint" can be purchased? Of course, I'd
like to hear from readers what they think of this technique? Is it a plus in
your opinion?

Thanks,
-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 09 Jul 1997 13:45:07 -0400

What if we all supply pre-82 pennies? That way we're guaranteed to not have
any smearing. Big Al told me he'd knock money off if I supplied my own
pennies.

- Jeff

At 10:48 AM 7/9/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Greetings Everyone,
>
>I'm a big Disney fan and will join in for a set of coins from Big Al.
>
>One thought... at Disneyland I use 1996 (new shiny) pennies and get great
>results on most of the Eurolink machines. There are a couple of older
>designs (such as the one in the Main Street RR Station) that do show the
>zinc smearing, but most of them work great with 96 coins. Eurolink also
>supplies machines to WDW and I would guess many of them will look good on
>new coins. If we all are paying the money, we want to get the best
>results. Assuming the WDW machines work as well as Disneyland machines,
>I'd be happy to get newer pennies (and pre-82's for any machines that
>show smearing)... We'll probably need to keep this simple... What do you
>all think...
>
>One last note... A power outage knocked out the machine my Smashed Coin
>Locator site is on (4th of July through Monday morning). It is back up
>and running now. Thanks to those of you that alerted me to the outage and
>for your being patient. 8-)
>
>Bert Creighton
><http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html
>>
>
>On 7/9/97 9:47 AM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote
>
>>
>> Okay, we've got three people lined up for the Disney World sets
>>right now. I'd like to get at least another three sets in the order to
>>help bring the price down. I know we've got some serious Disney fans on
>>the list. I'm also contacting a couple of people off-list. Let's use
>>the power of collective bargaining and get some financial savings as well
>>as information from the list! I'm about 99% positive that when we order
>>multiple sets at one time, Big Al will probably find a way to get us all
>>copper pennies.
>>
>> Peace,
>>
>> Aahz
>>
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
>>The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
>>List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
>>"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Elongate Paint?
Date: 09 Jul 1997 14:00:21 -0400

Depending on the design, it might detract from the detail of the penny.
For example, the Penguin penny at the Boston Aquarium
takes up most of the penny "face." I think it would cut into the design's
detail to have the year remain.

- Jeff

At 01:46 PM 7/9/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi;
>
>I have noticed that some of the pros use a die or paint of some kind to
>"tint" the obverse of the coins that they use to make EC's. After the coin
>has been elongated, the "flat side" shows the image of the original coin and
>the date because of the "tinting". Could you share with me / us the way in
>which this is done, and where the "paint" can be purchased? Of course, I'd
>like to hear from readers what they think of this technique? Is it a plus in
>your opinion?
>
>Thanks,
>-Bob Hoff
>TEC # 2033
>
>
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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 09 Jul 1997 17:23:41 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-09 16:10:59 EDT, you write:

> Lets try to get a large order for these. If 10 of us order them the
> total cost could get down to as low as $122.25 (102.50 for the set and
> $19.75 or 1/10 the $197.50 shipping and handling charge). Sounds better
> all the time. Put me down for a set.
>
> Janelle
>
>
I'd bite at $125.00 +/- on pre '82's would even go for the quarters and
nickels if he has 'um. Even if I was "on property", I'd pay that. Man, what
a job (unless you are rolling a pile of them at one time).

-Bob

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: (elongates) Mickey Mouse Elongated Coins
Date: 09 Jul 1997 17:59:19 -0700

Hey Gang!

There sure is a lot of Disney talk going around... If anyone is
interested, I still have a few dozen elongated cents, nickels, and
quarters that commemorate Mickey's 60th Birthday (from 1988).

Cents @ .50 ea.
Nickels @ .75 ea
Quarters @ 1.00 ea
------------------
all three @ $2.00

Please include a Self Addressed STAMPED Envelope with any order, and
mail to:
William C. Massey
P.O. Box 1511,
Beltsville, MD 20705
--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Elongate Paint?
Date: 09 Jul 1997 18:15:42 -0700

R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi;
>
> I have noticed that some of the pros use a die or paint of some kind to
> "tint" the obverse of the coins that they use to make EC's. After the coin
> has been elongated, the "flat side" shows the image of the original coin and
> the date because of the "tinting". Could you share with me / us the way in
> which this is done, and where the "paint" can be purchased? Of course, I'd
> like to hear from readers what they think of this technique? Is it a plus in
> your opinion?

Perhaps I can shed a bit of light on this topic :)
The late, great, Frank Brazzell taught me this technique in the summer
of '94!
To produce an elongated with a shiny obverse, and a reverse that retains
the original coin's design: spray the shiny coins (on one side) with
"Deft" brand wood stain, and allow to dry. He liked to use Spanish
Walnut 621, or Fruitwood 641 to do the job. This type of Stain can be
purchased at most quality hardware stores.

The problem with this is that it is very difficult, if not impossible,
to tell which side of the coin will be the Obverse or Reverse of the
finished elongated when rolling with one of the "vending" type of
machines.

Another possibility (for retaining a good image on the reverse of the
elongated) is to use an old, brown, copper (pre-'82) cent and then use
a pencil eraser to clean the Obverse -- Ray Dillard told me about this
method.

Happy Rolling!

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 09 Jul 1997 21:15:54 -0500

I will supply my pre82 pennies as well to Al. Now, a couple of
questions. Who wants to coordinate all this? Is any one even going to
dare tell him about putting the image side on the Lincoln side (yea
right! Who wants that job!!!) and who wants to be the "Big Al" of
California now?? One set from Florida deserves a matching set from
California don't you think?!! Come on, someone out there volunteer for
this job. Think how strong your arms would be if they are the type you
have to roll yourself. Really would like that full set also.

Janelle

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: (elongates) Steel...
Date: 09 Jul 1997 23:58:03 -0400

Hi all.

Just to add to Chris Aahz post awhile ago...

Tried 1943 steel cents in two machines in NH this past weekend; Mt.
Washington Auto Rd. and Conway Scenic Railroad. One was hand-cranked
and the other was automatic. Both came out fine. I noticed no
difference in the way the machines operated on steel or copper (pre '82)
pennies. I think the images are just a bit clearer on steel.

BTW, I have a couple of each on steel to trade... e-mail me if
interested.

Ben Lavine
mcsquare@erols.com

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Steel...
Date: 09 Jul 1997 22:24:32 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:

> Tried 1943 steel cents in two machines in NH this past weekend; Mt.
> Washington Auto Rd. and Conway Scenic Railroad. One was hand-cranked
> and the other was automatic. Both came out fine. I noticed no

Ben,

Did you happen to notice what company supplied the automatic
machine? Most newer Eurolink machines have a 'e' in the border either on
the top or at the left end.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 09 Jul 1997 22:32:39 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> I'm a big Disney fan and will join in for a set of coins from Big Al.

That's four! We're down to $151.88 and dropping!
>
> One thought... at Disneyland I use 1996 (new shiny) pennies and get great
> results on most of the Eurolink machines.

I have seen it reported (although not confirmed myself, that the
zinc will begin to blacken with time. The longest I hav had any zinc
elongates is about 18 months and I haven't seen it happen yet, but
someone said that somewhere.

> new coins. If we all are paying the money, we want to get the best
> results. Assuming the WDW machines work as well as Disneyland machines,
> I'd be happy to get newer pennies (and pre-82's for any machines that
> show smearing)... We'll probably need to keep this simple... What do you
> all think...

The key point is that we need to keep it simple. Big Al is not
an elongate collector (yet!), but a businessman. We need to try not to
overwhelm him with details, especially with the possibility of lines at
machines. I believe the majority would like pre-'82 pennies so that no
chances are taken. I have several rolls of BU pre-'82s that are
basically just as shiny as current coinage. I can probably get more as
they're readily available at coin shows and sometimes shops for just a
couple bucks each.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 09 Jul 1997 22:35:02 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 9 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> I'd bite at $125.00 +/- on pre '82's would even go for the quarters and
> nickels if he has 'um. Even if I was "on property", I'd pay that. Man, what
> a job (unless you are rolling a pile of them at one time).

Well, if we count Bob in, we're down to $142.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Elongate Paint?
Date: 09 Jul 1997 22:43:49 -0700 (PDT)

Bob,

Thank you for asking this question. It has been on my mind as of
late as well.

Willy,

Thanx for your answer! Personally, I think Frank Brazzell rolled
the best looking coins I've seen, both front and back! I will be making
a trip to the local hardware store in the near future.

Jeff,

Typically, only the side of the coin that will not be imprinted
is coated. The obverse comes out with little remains of the penny and
the reverse comes out with a perfect image.

Someone addressed the question of which side gets the design on
automated machines. Each machine is internally consistent. So, roll a
test (non-coated) coin for your trade stock, making note of orientation
and then you know for that machine!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 09 Jul 1997 23:05:29 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, James Henry wrote:

> I will supply my pre82 pennies as well to Al.

Jeff mentioned that Big Al would lower the price if pennies are
supplied. I assume the drop in expense would be $2.01 per set as this is
actual cost. This deal just keeps getting better!

> Now, a couple of
> questions. Who wants to coordinate all this?

Well, Jeff introduced the topic, but I'm not going to volunteer
him, he can do that himself if he's interested. I would be willing to do
it if he is not. Most of you have traded with me in the past, so that's
gotta be some kind of personal reference. I would be willing to locate
pre-82 coins for anyone not able to supply their own as well. I think
the best way to handle it is to send Big Al one cashiers check (as it
will obviously be large) and enough pre '82 pennies to roll them all,
then have him mail them all to one address. Then I (or whomever
coordinates this) would distribute the sets.
Just my opinion, others are welcome.

> Is any one even going to
> dare tell him about putting the image side on the Lincoln side (yea
> right! Who wants that job!!!)

This is probably too much to ask.

> and who wants to be the "Big Al" of
> California now?? One set from Florida deserves a matching set from
> California don't you think?!! Come on, someone out there volunteer for
> this job. Think how strong your arms would be if they are the type you
> have to roll yourself. Really would like that full set also.

Well, I know we have at least one subscriber that lives in the
area, but I'm not naming names, they know who they are and will volunteer
if they feel up to it.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Elongate Paint?
Date: 10 Jul 1997 02:20:57 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> Someone addressed the question of which side gets the design on
> automated machines. Each machine is internally consistent. So, roll a
> test (non-coated) coin for your trade stock, making note of orientation
> and then you know for that machine!
>

Please Note:
The above information is NOT always true! Perhaps it is for Eurolink
machines (I really don't know, firt hand), however, I have seen other
makes of machines where the coin drops onto a slide, and is then pushed
horizontaly between the rollers. On this type of machine, the coin
bounces onto the slide in an inconsistant fashion.

You know me, always throwing my "two cents worts" in!

--Willy

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Elongate Paint?
Date: 09 Jul 1997 23:29:27 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Chris Aahz wrote:
> >
> > Someone addressed the question of which side gets the design on
> > automated machines. Each machine is internally consistent. So, roll a
> > test (non-coated) coin for your trade stock, making note of orientation
> > and then you know for that machine!
> >
>
> Please Note:
> The above information is NOT always true! Perhaps it is for Eurolink
> machines (I really don't know, firt hand), however, I have seen other
> makes of machines where the coin drops onto a slide, and is then pushed
> horizontaly between the rollers. On this type of machine, the coin
> bounces onto the slide in an inconsistant fashion.

I stand (sit? type? glow?) corrected. My experience is with
Eurolink and San Francisco Penny Machine Company machines and have found
them to be internally consistent. I should have clarified this in my
previous post. Thanx for the warning Willy!

>
> You know me, always throwing my "two cents worts" in!
>

And what long cents they are 8-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: (elongates) Steel vs copper
Date: 10 Jul 1997 08:17:10 -0400

How much are steel pennies versus copper? It sounds like a fun idea to
press some pennies with steel.

- Jeff

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Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Steel...
Date: 10 Jul 1997 08:44:18 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:
>
> > Tried 1943 steel cents in two machines in NH this past weekend; Mt.
> > Washington Auto Rd. and Conway Scenic Railroad. One was hand-cranked
> > and the other was automatic. Both came out fine. I noticed no
>
> Ben,
>
> Did you happen to notice what company supplied the automatic
> machine? Most newer Eurolink machines have a 'e' in the border either on
> the top or at the left end.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
> List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi Chris,

Not sure but I'll check.

Ben

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 10 Jul 1997 08:50:13 -0400

At 09:15 PM 7/9/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I will supply my pre82 pennies as well to Al. Now, a couple of
>questions. Who wants to coordinate all this?
[snip]

Sure! I'm crazy. I'm willing to coordinate the great "Big Al WDW penny
fest."
We currently have 5 people, right?

Before anyone sends me anything - send me e-mail.

Thanks,

- Jeff

Address:
Jeff Dixon
422 Mystic Ave #404
Somerville, MA 02145
jeffd@kurzweil.com

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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 10 Jul 1997 08:51:06 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> > I'm a big Disney fan and will join in for a set of coins from Big Al.
>
> That's four! We're down to $151.88 and dropping!
> >
> > One thought... at Disneyland I use 1996 (new shiny) pennies and get great
> > results on most of the Eurolink machines.
>
> I have seen it reported (although not confirmed myself, that the
> zinc will begin to blacken with time. The longest I hav had any zinc
> elongates is about 18 months and I haven't seen it happen yet, but
> someone said that somewhere.
>
> > new coins. If we all are paying the money, we want to get the best
> > results. Assuming the WDW machines work as well as Disneyland machines,
> > I'd be happy to get newer pennies (and pre-82's for any machines that
> > show smearing)... We'll probably need to keep this simple... What do you
> > all think...
>
> The key point is that we need to keep it simple. Big Al is not
> an elongate collector (yet!), but a businessman. We need to try not to
> overwhelm him with details, especially with the possibility of lines at
> machines. I believe the majority would like pre-'82 pennies so that no
> chances are taken. I have several rolls of BU pre-'82s that are
> basically just as shiny as current coinage. I can probably get more as
> they're readily available at coin shows and sometimes shops for just a
> couple bucks each.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
> List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Has anyone ever tried spraying the elongated coin with acrylic or some
such? Should keep ANY coin from tarnishing as sprayed-on plastic will
deny the metal any exposure to air which is neccesary for the chemical
reaction.

BTW climate will play a BIG role in tarnishing of both zinc and copper.
(And steel.)

Regards...

Ben Lavine

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Steel...
Date: 10 Jul 1997 08:56:04 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:
>
> > Tried 1943 steel cents in two machines in NH this past weekend; Mt.
> > Washington Auto Rd. and Conway Scenic Railroad. One was hand-cranked
> > and the other was automatic. Both came out fine. I noticed no
>
> Ben,
>
> Did you happen to notice what company supplied the automatic
> machine? Most newer Eurolink machines have a 'e' in the border either on
> the top or at the left end.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
> List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hey Chris;

I have seen only pictures of the newer Eurolink machines. The machine
at the Conway Scenic Railroad seems to be an older machine. You will
probably be able to tell more from the coin than I can as I am a
relative newbie-neophyte to the details of elongated coins.

Give me a little time to peruse your trade list. I will hold one of
each for you.

C-U

Ben Lavine

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 10 Jul 1997 09:10:21 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> > I'm a big Disney fan and will join in for a set of coins from Big Al.
>
> That's four! We're down to $151.88 and dropping!
> >
> > One thought... at Disneyland I use 1996 (new shiny) pennies and get great
> > results on most of the Eurolink machines.
>
> I have seen it reported (although not confirmed myself, that the
> zinc will begin to blacken with time. The longest I hav had any zinc
> elongates is about 18 months and I haven't seen it happen yet, but
> someone said that somewhere.
>
> > new coins. If we all are paying the money, we want to get the best
> > results. Assuming the WDW machines work as well as Disneyland machines,
> > I'd be happy to get newer pennies (and pre-82's for any machines that
> > show smearing)... We'll probably need to keep this simple... What do you
> > all think...
>
> The key point is that we need to keep it simple. Big Al is not
> an elongate collector (yet!), but a businessman. We need to try not to
> overwhelm him with details, especially with the possibility of lines at
> machines. I believe the majority would like pre-'82 pennies so that no
> chances are taken. I have several rolls of BU pre-'82s that are
> basically just as shiny as current coinage. I can probably get more as
> they're readily available at coin shows and sometimes shops for just a
> couple bucks each.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
> List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi all...

For my two cents worth (Pun absolutely intended) I think you should fill in Big Al about
the pre-'82 pennies. Ask him to check on the availablity of BU pre-'82 rolled pennies.
Not that I'm 'Joe-Florida' but every time I've been there I've seen dozens of coin
shops. As stated, Big Al's a business guy and he can apparently hold his own with a
computer. So give him a chance.

Also, a thought on the quantity discount idea: How many complete sets of these would
turn efficiency into a logistical nightmare? 10 sets is over 1,000 pennies...

I ordered a pair of elongated quarters from Big Al. I'll post to the list when they
arrive...

Hey, has anyone ever tried silver quarters? I've never even SEEN a quarter press or I'd
try it myself... Silver quarters in poor condition still polish up pretty nicely!

Later...

Ben Lavine

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Elongate Paint?
Date: 10 Jul 1997 10:08:46 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-10 02:42:44 EDT, you write:

> Perhaps I can shed a bit of light on this topic :)
> The late, great, Frank Brazzell taught me this technique in the summer
> of '94!
> To produce an elongated with a shiny obverse, and a reverse that retains
> the original coin's design: spray the shiny coins (on one side) with
> "Deft" brand wood stain, and allow to dry. He liked to use Spanish
> Walnut 621, or Fruitwood 641 to do the job. This type of Stain can be
> purchased at most quality hardware stores.
>
> The problem with this is that it is very difficult, if not impossible,
> to tell which side of the coin will be the Obverse or Reverse of the
> finished elongated when rolling with one of the "vending" type of
> machines.
>
> Another possibility (for retaining a good image on the reverse of the
> elongated) is to use an old, brown, copper (pre-'82) cent and then use
> a pencil eraser to clean the Obverse -- Ray Dillard told me about this
> method.
>
> Happy Rolling!
>
> --
> Elongatedly Yours,
>
> William C. Massey
> TEC #1857
>

Thank you William! I'm on the way to the hardware store!

-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 10 Jul 1997 10:08:53 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-10 03:30:36 EDT, you write:

> I will supply my pre82 pennies as well to Al. Now, a couple of
> questions. Who wants to coordinate all this? Is any one even going to
> dare tell him about putting the image side on the Lincoln side (yea
> right! Who wants that job!!!) and who wants to be the "Big Al" of
> California now?? One set from Florida deserves a matching set from
> California don't you think?!! Come on, someone out there volunteer for
> this job. Think how strong your arms would be if they are the type you
> have to roll yourself. Really would like that full set also.
>
> Janelle
>
>

Hi Janelle!

Hmmmmm I'm looking around my office for a volunteer as we speak. :-)
Problem at Disneyland as I see it is that the set is a "moving target", they
switch machines and add them often. Someone that wants a "complete set" may
be unhappy when they see one they don't have.

I'll be away from the PC and e-mail for a while, but, will get back to all.

Happy Collecting,
-Bob Hoff
TEC #2033

(ParkPennies.com note: The post above is when "Boomer " (Robert Hoff) volunteered for what eventually became ParkPennies.com. His machine location reports and Excel file guide updates follow in later posts.)

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 10 Jul 1997 08:11:04 -0700

Greetings,

Keeping it simple for Big is important, I'm all for the pre-82's and will
work on rounding up as many as possible. COME ON the rest of you, this is
a great opportunity to get a full set of great Eurolink designs! Tell
your friends that are not on this list...

THANKS to Jeff Dixon for putting this info up on Kathy's Bulletin Board!
Great idea!

(Note: Kathy has a message on the BBoard saying her email is having some
problems... I'm having some trouble getting updates to my web site as
well... bc)

One more idea, tell your Disney friends about the full WDW set, even if
they are not now coin collectors. There are lots of Disney sites on the
web! Let's get a few more WDW orders!

Bert

On 7/9/97 10:32 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>
>On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
>> I'm a big Disney fan and will join in for a set of coins from Big Al.
>
> That's four! We're down to $151.88 and dropping!
>>
>> One thought... at Disneyland I use 1996 (new shiny) pennies and get great
>> results on most of the Eurolink machines.
>
> I have seen it reported (although not confirmed myself, that the
>zinc will begin to blacken with time. The longest I hav had any zinc
>elongates is about 18 months and I haven't seen it happen yet, but
>someone said that somewhere.
>
>
>> new coins. If we all are paying the money, we want to get the best
>> results. Assuming the WDW machines work as well as Disneyland machines,
>> I'd be happy to get newer pennies (and pre-82's for any machines that
>> show smearing)... We'll probably need to keep this simple... What do you
>> all think...
>
> The key point is that we need to keep it simple. Big Al is not
>an elongate collector (yet!), but a businessman. We need to try not to
>overwhelm him with details, especially with the possibility of lines at
>machines. I believe the majority would like pre-'82 pennies so that no
>chances are taken. I have several rolls of BU pre-'82s that are
>basically just as shiny as current coinage. I can probably get more as
>they're readily available at coin shows and sometimes shops for just a
>couple bucks each.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Southern CA "Big Al" + Possible Disney Meeting...
Date: 10 Jul 1997 08:19:50 -0700

Greetings Everyone!

On Kathy's BBoard <http://www.truewebdesign.com/MessageBoard/> I signed
up to roll coins in Southern California (San Diego, Disneyland...) and in
Hawaii (if you can wait a month or 2 in between trips).

I know there are others on this list that visit Disneyland on a regular
basis... Are you interested in a join collecting trip someday this summer
or perhaps after school starts again. It would be fun to meet other
collectors in person and trade some stories as well as pennies (and other
coins).

You can check the Smashed Coin Locator at:

<
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html>
More updates including a new WDW page and lots more Hawaii locations
will be posted to my site this week.

Bert

On 7/9/97 11:05 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>> and who wants to be the "Big Al" of
>> California now?? One set from Florida deserves a matching set from
>> California don't you think?!! Come on, someone out there volunteer for
>> this job. Think how strong your arms would be if they are the type you
>> have to roll yourself. Really would like that full set also.
>
> Well, I know we have at least one subscriber that lives in the
>area, but I'm not naming names, they know who they are and will volunteer
>if they feel up to it.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) "Steelies" The Real Story
Date: 10 Jul 1997 08:57:40 -0700

Greetings Once Again!

I have a friend that knows Eurolink machines! Here's the inside scoop on
steelies and Eurolink machines (this does not apply to all pressing
machines, so please use care and caution... These machines are someone's
business/income!!!)

On steelies, my friend says:

>...but steel pennies don't phase Eurolink machines. Eurolink dies
>are exceptionally hard so no problem. One caveat however; for a few years
>Eurolink had magnetic traps on the coin input system to trap super hard
ferrous coins.
>This would grab any ferrous coins before they entered the press so the
>"guest" would not get the pressed penny in this instance.

Adding traps was done mainly because the new Canadian pennies have a
ferrous content and it seems lots of Canadian pennies were going into
Eurolink machines -- this doesn't cause a problem to the press but makes
a badly sized pressed penny. Well, if enough of these pennies were
"grabbed" it eventually blocked the coin input. So off came the traps --
on most machines. There still could be a few machines out there with
these magnet traps. I saw a non-Eurolink machine in Hawaii last week that
had a magnet trap. So you really need to look and see if there's a magnet
trap before inserting your steelies.

[ Anyone have 201 steelies they can sell me? 8-) ]

If you 'steel' have questions, let me know.

Bert

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Silver Quarters
Date: 10 Jul 1997 09:09:44 -0700

Ah, great minds think alike!

On the subject of silver quarters... I have tried them on Eurolink
machines and I got some amazing results. Easily my favorite coins in my
small collection. Use a good silver polish BEFORE pressing (smmashing,
rolling, elongating...) and you'll get the best results.

As with all coins, you should consult a coin pricing guide or coin shop.
I have found many bookstores carrying paperback (and hard cover) books on
coin prices. Be sure you are not smashing something of real numismatic
value.

So silver does work and has a wonderful finish (from the Eurolink's I
have tried).

I am looking for all the locations of Quarter machines (and all pressing
machines) to add to my Smashed Coin Locator pages (shameless plug).
Thanks to everyone that has sent locations, I hope the 'Locator' is of
use in planning your collecting trips...

Bert Creighton
Smashed Coin Locator
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 10 Jul 1997 09:38:16 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> Sure! I'm crazy. I'm willing to coordinate the great "Big Al WDW penny
> fest."
> We currently have 5 people, right?

Wonderful! By my count we have 4 and a maybe: Jeff, Janelle,
Chris, Bert, and (maybe) Bob.

It seems like we've got a few more questions for Big Al:

1) Would he prefer to ship to one address or to each (your
preference obviously relevant here also, Jeff)

2) Would he be willing/able to find a coin shop to get some BU
coppers for us

3) Price variations based on these two issues. If Big Al ships
'em all to Jeff, we each need to reimburse Jeff for postage to us. Not a
problem, just something we all need to be aware of.

4) Hmmm...I could of sworn there was a four.....

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 10 Jul 1997 09:45:07 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> THANKS to Jeff Dixon for putting this info up on Kathy's Bulletin Board!
> Great idea!

Jeff's really on the ball here. Huzzah!
>
> (Note: Kathy has a message on the BBoard saying her email is having some
> problems... I'm having some trouble getting updates to my web site as
> well... bc)
>

Yes, list messages to Kathy have been bouncing back since
sometime last week. I have no other way to contact her (other than snail
mail) so have just been waiting things out. I have saved a couple of
messages from the list that I think may be of interest to her, (including
submissions for her FAQ), but am unable to save them all. Since she can
post to her Message Borad and did so after Jeff's posting regarding WDW I
assume she knows about it.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 10 Jul 1997 09:54:11 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> I know there are others on this list that visit Disneyland on a regular
> basis... Are you interested in a join collecting trip someday this summer
> or perhaps after school starts again. It would be fun to meet other
> collectors in person and trade some stories as well as pennies (and other
> coins).

Now THIS is great idea! We can have the first ever Elongated
Coin Mailing List Meet, Trade session, and Collection trip! I would LOVE
to put faces to some of these names. I'm in Northern California, so
could probably drive down for the weekend (How much is DL admission these
days?)

How many people would be interested/able to make a trip to Disneyland?

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 10 Jul 1997 13:24:46 -0400

> 1) Would he prefer to ship to one address or to each (your
>preference obviously relevant here also, Jeff)

It doesn't matter to me either way. If some people have steel and some
don't, it might make more sense for him
to ship them all to me. That way, we can prevent people getting the wrong
sets.

If we limit the amount of things that Big Al has to remember per machine,
it should keep the amount of money he charges lower.

- Jeff

P.S. What if we tell him we'll give him free advertising on our web pages????

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 10 Jul 1997 11:09:29 -0700

Greetings,

Some of us have Year Round Passes or Magic Kingdom Cards and can get some
discounted tickets.

There might also be a possible group rate we can arrange. Let's see how
many people would need to buy tickets (and many have passes) and go from
there. FYI, Saturdays are very busy from now until school starts again.
Not a problem unless you want to ride Pirates more than once in a day!

bc

On 7/10/97 9:54 AM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>
>On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
>> I know there are others on this list that visit Disneyland on a regular
>> basis... Are you interested in a join collecting trip someday this summer
>> or perhaps after school starts again. It would be fun to meet other
>> collectors in person and trade some stories as well as pennies (and other
>> coins).
>
>
> Now THIS is great idea! We can have the first ever Elongated
>Coin Mailing List Meet, Trade session, and Collection trip! I would LOVE
>to put faces to some of these names. I'm in Northern California, so
>could probably drive down for the weekend (How much is DL admission these
>days?)
>
> How many people would be interested/able to make a trip to Disneyland?
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) "Steelies" The Real Story
Date: 10 Jul 1997 14:52:10 -0400

Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> Greetings Once Again!
>
> I have a friend that knows Eurolink machines! Here's the inside scoop on
> steelies and Eurolink machines (this does not apply to all pressing
> machines, so please use care and caution... These machines are someone's
> business/income!!!)
>
> On steelies, my friend says:
>
> >...but steel pennies don't phase Eurolink machines. Eurolink dies
> >are exceptionally hard so no problem. One caveat however; for a few years
> >Eurolink had magnetic traps on the coin input system to trap super hard
> ferrous coins.
> >This would grab any ferrous coins before they entered the press so the
> >"guest" would not get the pressed penny in this instance.
>
> Adding traps was done mainly because the new Canadian pennies have a
> ferrous content and it seems lots of Canadian pennies were going into
> Eurolink machines -- this doesn't cause a problem to the press but makes
> a badly sized pressed penny. Well, if enough of these pennies were
> "grabbed" it eventually blocked the coin input. So off came the traps --
> on most machines. There still could be a few machines out there with
> these magnet traps. I saw a non-Eurolink machine in Hawaii last week that
> had a magnet trap. So you really need to look and see if there's a magnet
> trap before inserting your steelies.
>
> [ Anyone have 201 steelies they can sell me? 8-) ]

Hi Bert...

There is a coin shop in a neighboring town which has a box of steelies
loose. $.10 each. Might be a little steep ($20.10) but let me know if
you want me to pick some up for you. Lots of coin shops seem to have
circulated steel pennies.

Ben Lavine

> If you 'steel' have questions, let me know.
>
> Bert

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Steel vs copper
Date: 10 Jul 1997 14:56:24 -0400

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> How much are steel pennies versus copper? It sounds like a fun idea to
> press some pennies with steel.
>
> - Jeff
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
> Software Engineer
> Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
> 411 Waverley Oaks Road
> Waltham, MA 02154

Jeff;

Just did some steelies in NH. They work really well. Nice detail.

Ben

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) "Steelies" The Real Story
Date: 10 Jul 1997 15:02:45 -0400

There is a place right down the street from where I work. I'll take a look
and compare prices.
.10 might be the best price. :(

[snip]
>There is a coin shop in a neighboring town which has a box of steelies
>loose. $.10 each. Might be a little steep ($20.10) but let me know if
>you want me to pick some up for you. Lots of coin shops seem to have
>circulated steel pennies.
>
>Ben Lavine

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: "Wayne D. Michael" <wayne.d.michael@boeing.com>
Subject: (elongates) Proofs?
Date: 10 Jul 1997 13:21:29 -0700

With all the talk about steel, copper, and zinc, I was wondering if
anyone
has tried pressing a <gasp> proof cent? I have a hunch the result might
be
very pleasing.

There used to be dealers that would advertise rolls of proof singles(*),
but I can't find any in the recent coin mags I have. I can't remember
the
advertised prices, but I don't see why a proof cent should not be in the
0.50 to 1.00 range...

(*) Dealers break up proof sets all the time.

I am thinking about stopping by the local coin shop and seeing if he has
a few proof singles I could experiment with.

--
Wayne Michael Boeing North American
wayne.d.michael@boeing.com 3370 Miraloma Ave.
(714) 762-8540 FAX 762-0528 Anaheim, CA
M.C. DC28 Dept. 266 92803

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Proofs?
Date: 10 Jul 1997 16:27:52 -0400

I think I would only use proof pennies on very special ones. Otherwise, it
seems a little high for my collection.

Just my 0.02,
- Jeff :)

At 01:21 PM 7/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>With all the talk about steel, copper, and zinc, I was wondering if
>anyone
>has tried pressing a <gasp> proof cent? I have a hunch the result might
>be
>very pleasing.
>
>There used to be dealers that would advertise rolls of proof singles(*),
>but I can't find any in the recent coin mags I have. I can't remember
>the
>advertised prices, but I don't see why a proof cent should not be in the
>0.50 to 1.00 range...
>
>(*) Dealers break up proof sets all the time.
>
>I am thinking about stopping by the local coin shop and seeing if he has
>a few proof singles I could experiment with.
>
>--
>Wayne Michael Boeing North American
>wayne.d.michael@boeing.com 3370 Miraloma Ave.
>(714) 762-8540 FAX 762-0528 Anaheim, CA
>M.C. DC28 Dept. 266 92803
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Silver Quarters
Date: 10 Jul 1997 15:48:13 -0700

Hey Gang!
I would like to add to the SILVER Quarter topic:
Make sure that you examine the finished product VERY carefully before
going crazy, and rolling a whole bunch of the same die. I have found
that the silver doesn't flow well into some of the deeper-cut dies... so
check that first one!

However, please don't let my comment discourage you from giving it a
try. As Bert says, you may get "amazing results."

--Willy

Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> Ah, great minds think alike!
>
> On the subject of silver quarters... I have tried them on Eurolink
> machines and I got some amazing results. Easily my favorite coins in my
> small collection. Use a good silver polish BEFORE pressing (smmashing,
> rolling, elongating...) and you'll get the best results.
>
> As with all coins, you should consult a coin pricing guide or coin shop.
> I have found many bookstores carrying paperback (and hard cover) books on
> coin prices. Be sure you are not smashing something of real numismatic
> value.
>
> So silver does work and has a wonderful finish (from the Eurolink's I
> have tried).
>
> I am looking for all the locations of Quarter machines (and all pressing
> machines) to add to my Smashed Coin Locator pages (shameless plug).
> Thanks to everyone that has sent locations, I hope the 'Locator' is of
> use in planning your collecting trips...
>
> Bert Creighton
> Smashed Coin Locator
> http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Proofs?
Date: 10 Jul 1997 18:02:10 -0700

Hey Gang, here I go again :)

Rolling proof coins offer no real rewards. It is impossible to tell if
an elongated specimen was rolled from a proof, unless.... you prepare
the coin's obverse to preserve the "S" mintmark (using a date that the
Mint did not produce circulating "S" coins), and then roll that coin
with that side being the elongated's reverse. Otherwise, a nice UNC will
offer the same results.

In my previous comments about silver quarters, I forgot to mention that
the can usually be obtained from coin stores at around 3-4 times face
value.

--Willy

Wayne D. Michael wrote:
>
> With all the talk about steel, copper, and zinc, I was wondering if
> anyone
> has tried pressing a <gasp> proof cent? I have a hunch the result might
> be
> very pleasing.
>
> There used to be dealers that would advertise rolls of proof singles(*),
> but I can't find any in the recent coin mags I have. I can't remember
> the
> advertised prices, but I don't see why a proof cent should not be in the
> 0.50 to 1.00 range...
>
> (*) Dealers break up proof sets all the time.
>
> I am thinking about stopping by the local coin shop and seeing if he has
> a few proof singles I could experiment with.
>
> --
> Wayne Michael Boeing North American
> wayne.d.michael@boeing.com 3370 Miraloma Ave.
> (714) 762-8540 FAX 762-0528 Anaheim, CA
> M.C. DC28 Dept. 266 92803

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Dresd85854@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 10 Jul 1997 19:32:53 -0400 (EDT)

If someone is going to get a set of Disneyland coins together. I would be
interested in a set of those also.
Mark

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Preserving Dates (was Re: Disney World penny set)
Date: 10 Jul 1997 23:16:21 -0400

Big Al wrote to Jeff Dixon:
[snip]
>There is no way to tell what year the penny was made (the date is not on
>the penny) unless you know of a difference between pre-1982 pennies and new
>pennies. Just curious...

A trick I leared from the Master, Ray Dillard, is to paint the coin
before you send it through the rollers. It is necessary only to paint
the side on the smooth roller, usually the obverse with the date. All
details of the original coin are preserved although stretched out. It
works with dirty coins too, but not as nice.

I usually use a wood-color or tan spray paint for copper coins and
silver paint for white coins. Apply one coat only, not too thin and not
too thick. Experience will tell you what is just right.

With automatic machines, it is tricky to get the painted side correctly
oriented. I ran across one machine in Norfolk that no matter which way
I put in the coin, the painted side was always toward the design
roller. You can usually figure it out though and get it right most of
the time.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
TEC #1871
rfritsch@concentric.net

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 10 Jul 1997 20:36:18 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> It doesn't matter to me either way. If some people have steel and some
> don't, it might make more sense for him
> to ship them all to me. That way, we can prevent people getting the wrong
> sets.
>
> If we limit the amount of things that Big Al has to remember per machine,
> it should keep the amount of money he charges lower.
>
I agree with this wholeheartedly! I didn't realize people were
talking about getting this set on steel. Personally, I think pre-82s is
plenty to ask. When you're at the coins shop checking steelie prices why
don't you ask what he'd charge for 20 or so rolls of BU pre-82 cents. If
you can get them all locally at a fair price we can allsave a pretty
penny ;) on postage.

> P.S. What if we tell him we'll give him free advertising on our web pages????

This sounds good too! (Of course, my web page is totally blank
because I have no way to do anything with it, but....)

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Mgmears@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Cleaning elongate pennies with toothpaste
Date: 10 Jul 1997 23:58:04 -0400 (EDT)

You mentioned using a pencil eraser to clean the obverse (or reverse, for
that matter) of a copper penny or elongated penny. To clean my elongate
pennies, I use a tiny dab of toothpaste and a toothbrush. Really! And
tartar-control toothpaste works best. (Ok, that last part was a joke.)

Mark Mears
TEC #1972

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From: "tink!!!" <dvlgrl66hatesspam@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 10 Jul 1997 21:20:06 -0700

um, yeah, hi! i'm new to this list, but i've been collecting squished
pennies for a while now. thanks to aahz for inviting me. i'm mostly a
disneyland collector, not because i only want dl squishies, but because
i seem to live there...but i do have a few others. i've never thought
of trading these, as i kinda thought part of the collection was in the
hunting process;) but who knows, maybe i'll soften up to the idea...

anyways, i'm damn interested in a munch at dl (season passholder, and i
plan on using it as many times as possible!!!) a day of squishing
pennies with others who won't get bored sounds great to me! still have
to get that pennie from the train station...

-nikki

--
'you do know elvis is dead, right?'
'no he isn't. he just went home.'-MIB
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 10 Jul 1997 22:01:50 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, tink!!! wrote:

> um, yeah, hi! i'm new to this list, but i've been collecting squished
> pennies for a while now.

Welcome to the list!

> i seem to live there...but i do have a few others. i've never thought
> of trading these, as i kinda thought part of the collection was in the
> hunting process;) but who knows, maybe i'll soften up to the idea...

Believe me, there is still quite an element of the hunt in
trading as well! There are numerous coins that I know to exist that I
have not been able to find other than thru trades. Besides, elongated
coins have been made for over 100 years. That leaves thousands that
you'll never find a machine for.

>
> anyways, i'm damn interested in a munch at dl (season passholder, and i
> plan on using it as many times as possible!!!) a day of squishing
> pennies with others who won't get bored sounds great to me! still have
> to get that pennie from the train station...
>

Great! That's three! Any other interested parties? I'd like to
meet at least four or five of you if I'm going to put in 16 hours of driving!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Quoting
Date: 10 Jul 1997 22:34:48 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

A small item of netiquette has come up on the list that I feel
the need to address. That is quoting. When you reply to a message on
the list, please only quote the relevant part of the message you are
replying to. If for some reason your e-mail software will not allow you
to remove parts of the quotes, please post your comments ABOVE the quoted
message. I (and others) read nearly 100 messages a day. Having to go
through a reply that contains the entirety of one, two, or occaisonally
even three previous messages is VERY tedious.

Thank you for your time.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) San Diego Zoo elongates
Date: 10 Jul 1997 23:20:24 -0700 (PDT)

Found this in alt.disney.disneyland. Bert, are you paying
attention here?

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Newsgroups: alt.disney.disneyland
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
Lines: 10
Message-ID: <33C5997D.7D67@concentric.net>
Reply-To: pdieker@concentric.net

I hit the squished penny jackpot at the San Diego Zoo. Scotts been
witholding some very valuable info regarding this matter and should be
punished ;) The SD Zoo has a penny machine per exibit just about and 2
for the Pandas. The Polar Bears had a quarter machine to honor them.
Just thought I'd let those of you that collect know this.
The Zoo is also obviously where all the good merch. buyers work because
all the merchandise there is so great. In fact the big shop by the exit
has some wonderful Adventureland merch. What a great place to SPEND
MONEY. (Do you think we could slyly put an ad in the San Diego Union for
the DL Merch. Buyers Job?)
-- end of forwarded message --

Okay, I want a set! San Diego is your turf is it not Bert?

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) San Diego Zoo elongates
Date: 11 Jul 1997 00:01:12 -0700

On 7/10/97 11:20 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

> Okay, I want a set! San Diego is your turf is it not Bert?
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

Greetings! Yes indeed, SD is my surf (ah... turf). I need to pick up a
couple of full sets... so if possible, please let me know in the next 10
days who else will want a set. I will need to find a source of pre-82's
(sound familiar?) to get the best results. I assume you also want the
cool Polar Bear quarter... yes?

You can send me email at creightoniii@home.com. One note, I will not be
reading email next week...

Take Care everyone...

bc

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) pre-82 Sources
Date: 11 Jul 1997 00:12:16 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

A number of people have presented the dilemmna of where to find
coppers for rolling. Personally, I bought a 500 ct lot of wheaties from
eBay a while back. In addition I pick up rolls at $1-$2 a piece at
auction, shows, and shops. Best, of course, is gleaning them from
circulation! I never give pennies at shops anymore. Every night I sort
thru my pocket accumulation and pull out the coppers. The zincs I save
until I get REALLY desperate for cash (anyone else ever bought basic
groceries with pennies?). I manage to pull about ten coppers out of
circulation on a weekly basis (out of about 45 pennies).

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 11 Jul 1997 00:52:31 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> there. FYI, Saturdays are very busy from now until school starts again.
> Not a problem unless you want to ride Pirates more than once in a day!
>

Are Sundays as bad as Saturdays? Actually, I was just looking at
the calendar and the first weekend I'll be free (after giving myself time
to earn the spare cash for the trip) would be Labor Day weekend. I
assume it will be a mob scene (doesn't bother me much, I hit the big
rides during the parades 8-). The weekend before that I'm commotted to a
local coin show, and the weekend before THAT (the 15th-16th) is a
possibility, but I couldn't possibly afford it before then (especially if
I'm going to buy a WDW set!). Do we have to do this in the summer?
Perhaps Sept. would be better?

Anyone else considering the trip, I'd love to hear your thoughts
on these issues. BTW, I posted the concept to Kathy's message board.
Perhaps I should post it in alt.disney.disneyland as well....hmmmm....

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Preserving Dates (was Re: Disney World penny set)
Date: 11 Jul 1997 02:47:03 -0700

> Big Al wrote to Jeff Dixon:

> [snip]
> >There is no way to tell what year the penny was made (the date is not on
> >the penny) unless you know of a difference between pre-1982 pennies and new
> >pennies. Just curious...

Bob Fritsch wrote:

> A trick I leared from the Master, Ray Dillard, is to paint the coin
> before you send it through the rollers. It is necessary only to paint
> the side on the smooth roller, usually the obverse with the date. All
> details of the original coin are preserved although stretched out. It
> works with dirty coins too, but not as nice.
>
> I usually use a wood-color or tan spray paint for copper coins and
> silver paint for white coins. Apply one coat only, not too thin and not
> too thick. Experience will tell you what is just right.
>
> With automatic machines, it is tricky to get the painted side correctly
> oriented. I ran across one machine in Norfolk that no matter which way
> I put in the coin, the painted side was always toward the design
> roller. You can usually figure it out though and get it right most of
> the time.

Willy now writes:

You are EXACTLY right, Bob! Albeit, a bit inspecific... Ray uses the
exact same spry-stain as the late Frank Brazzell (Deft brand - as
mentioned in my last reply to this topic).

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Cleaning elongate pennies with toothpaste
Date: 11 Jul 1997 02:53:46 -0700

Mgmears@aol.com wrote:
>
> You mentioned using a pencil eraser to clean the obverse (or reverse, for
> that matter) of a copper penny or elongated penny. To clean my elongate
> pennies, I use a tiny dab of toothpaste and a toothbrush. Really! And
> tartar-control toothpaste works best. (Ok, that last part was a joke.)
>
> Mark Mears
> TEC #1972

Mark,
That sounds very interesting... Thanks! The eraser thing is actually
Ray Dillard's discovery. You may also wish to try Ketchup first, and
then baking soda applied with the toothbrush. It produces an
unbelievable shine!!! But do it in TWO steps--don't mix the ketchup
with the baking soda (trust me, this is AWESOME). I actually do it with
a rag, but I would have to think that a toothbrush would work just as
well.
--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) pre 82 pennies
Date: 11 Jul 1997 06:48:24 -0500

I just go to the bank and get about $10 worth of pennies, go through
them and take back the rest and get more. Ususally, out of 1000 pennies
I get 200-300. No need to buy pre82 rolls if you want to spend just a
little time sorting them out.

Janelle (Minnesota Flats)

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) shining pennies
Date: 11 Jul 1997 07:53:18 -0500

God Bless Martha Stewart. She finally gave me something useful but not
what she intended. Use a shallow dish or pan. Cover it with pennies,
pre 82 of course, and cover them with lemon juice then pour a thin layer
of salt over it all. Wait a minute or two, flip the pennies over, cover
with a little more salt if necessary, wait and guess what??? rince with
water and shiny!!! Most of the time, no rubbing with toothbrush is
necessary.

Janelle (Minnesota Flats)

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) SD Zoo Pennies + Quarter
Date: 11 Jul 1997 09:44:14 -0700

Greetings,

Here's the list for a full set of San Diego Zoo pennies + the Polar Bear
Plunge Quarter:

Janelle <James Henry, jameshenry@sprintmail.com>

Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>

Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>

... <...>

I'll get a couple of extra for new people to the list...

bc

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) pre 82 pennies
Date: 11 Jul 1997 16:11:07 -0400

>
> Janelle (Minnesota Flats)

Hi Janelle... Is Minnesota Flats the pun I think it is? Very good.

Ben Lavine

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Disney Ideas
Date: 11 Jul 1997 15:22:53 -0700

Hi Everyone,

I know someone in Disney Guest Relations and I am looking into what kinds
of things we might be able to set up for a group visit. This might
include a group rate for those needing passes, possible meeting with the
folks that work with the Eurolink machines, etc. Can anyone get us into
Club 33?

I'll get some possible ideas and put them up here on the mailing list.
One possible idea would be to meet at Beliles (I may have spelled this
wrong) for breakfast before going into the park. It was started in 1955,
the same year as Disneyland and they serve over-sized portions you won't
believe! It is only a few blocks from the park...

More info once I hear from Guest Relations...

Bert

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From: "tink!!!" <dvlgrl66hatesspam@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 11 Jul 1997 17:52:47 -0700

> Are Sundays as bad as Saturdays? Actually, I was just looking at
> the calendar and the first weekend I'll be free (after giving myself
> time to earn the spare cash for the trip) would be Labor Day
> weekend. I assume it will be a mob scene (doesn't bother me much, I
> hit the big rides during the parades 8-). The weekend before that
> I'm commotted to a local coin show, and the weekend before THAT (the
> 15th-16th) is a possibility, but I couldn't possibly afford it
> before then (especially if I'm going to buy a WDW set!). Do we have
> to do this in the summer? Perhaps Sept. would be better?

september works great for me. i've got a birthday and a milion concerts
for july and august. yeah, unfortunately, labor day weekend will be
hell, but sunday is always better that saturday. sundays are the
'family' day, so around 6pm, the families start heading home, and the
park empties out rather nicely.

definitely post this in ADD. i'm sure there are others there that would
be interested...

-tink!!!
--
'you do know elvis is dead, right?'
'no he isn't. he just went home.'-MIB
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 11 Jul 1997 21:05:23 -0700 (PDT)

re: Bert's comments on meeting spot

Belile's (or whatever it's called sounds fine. I was wondering
about how we were all going to meet up. A couple weeks back I went to
Great America and was supposed to meet up with five and it was confusing to
get everybody to be at the same place at the same time. And we all not
only know what each other look like, but we know the park well!
Meeting at a restaraunt works well. The first one there can get
a table and others can just ask for 'The Penny Party' or some such.

re: Bert's comments on 'special stuff'

A meeting with a Eurolink rep would be AWESOME!!! Discounts are
of course, always a bonus as well 8-)

On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, tink!!! wrote:

> september works great for me. i've got a birthday and a milion concerts
> for july and august. yeah, unfortunately, labor day weekend will be
> hell, but sunday is always better that saturday. sundays are the
> 'family' day, so around 6pm, the families start heading home, and the
> park empties out rather nicely.

Okay, so we'll say mid-September....on a Sunday......how 'bout
the 14th? There is a coin show in Long Beach that weekend as well, so
anyone travelling some distance could attend the show on Saturday should
they so desire. (I always like to wound two birds with one stone when
possible 8-)

>
> definitely post this in ADD. i'm sure there are others there that would
> be interested...
>

I will post to to a.d.d. tonight with a tentative date of Sept. 14th.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) TEC Membership
Date: 11 Jul 1997 22:38:54 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

From my (very rough) estimate, about half of you reading this are
TEC members, you can stop reading now.

For those of you who are not TEC members, I cannot recommend them
highly enough. Joining TEC was the first step in my collecting moving
from a here and there kind of thing with a half dozen samples from my
area, to a large collection containing issues from 27 of the 50 states
and two foriegn countries.

I;ve attempted to reproduce their membership flyer below. The
application is there as well, so if you're interested you can just print
it out and mail it in.

If you have any questions about TEC feel free to either post them
to the list for general comment or ask me directly via e-mail.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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THE ELONGATED COLLECTORS (TEC)

Duesfor one calendar year membership in TEC are $10.00 General;
$5.00 for a second membership at the same address and $5.00 for
Youth (under 18). Foreign Membership $12.50 per year.
Benefits of TEC membership include:

* 4 issues of the TEC News each year. Each issue ranges from 12
to 20 pages featuring informative articles, notices of new
issues, and more! Plus each issue contains a free elongated
coin donated by a member or club.
* You get to place a free classified ad in each issue of the TEC
News.
* You will receive an annual Membership Coin and a life-long TEC
membership number.
* If you write an article for the TEC News, you'll be awarded a
special TEC News Award Coin for each article you write. In
1996 only 26 of these collectors items were awarded.
* You can attend the annual meeting held in conjunction with the
ANA Convention.
* You also get the opportunity to purchase the limited edition
TEC-ANA Convention badge, rolled on a U.S. clad or enameled
silver quarter.
* You get all of this and Much, MUCH MORE!!!!!

____________________________________________________________________

The Elongated Collectors (TEC) -- Application

To apply, print this application and mail it (with dues) to:

Howard C. Sharkey
TEC Secretary
203 S. Gladiolus, Momence, IL 60954-1709
____________________________________________________________________

____________________________________________________________________

THE ELONGATED COLLECTORS (TEC) APPLICATION FOR MEMBERSHIP

NAME ________________________________________________________________

ADDRESS _____________________________________________________________

CITY ___________________________________STATE _______ZIP ____________

Years Collecting _____ Specialty _____________________________________

Birthdate (Junior Members)____________________________________________

I agree that upon admittance to membership, I will abide by the
Constitution and Bylaws of TEC and its Code of Ethics.

If you do not want your address published in TEC News check here _____

DATE_______________ SIGNED____________________________________________

TYPE of MEMBERSHIP: GENERAL: _________ SECOND: ________ YOUTH: ______

*********************************************************************
FOR CLUB USE ONLY

Proposed by: ___Chris_Aahz_#2062_____________________________________

Admitted to membership (DATE) _______________ TEC Number ____________
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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TEC Membership
Date: 12 Jul 1997 09:17:52 -0700

Greetings All,

I want to thank Aahz for posting the TEC Membership information. I joined
TEC (TEC#2095) and have been enjoying all the newsletters, and the coins
they have sent me. I encourage everyone to join (it is not expensive!)
and support the TEC. There are many collectors that do not have access to
email and the net, so being part of the TEC is another way to reach (and
be reached by) these folks with the same love for smashed (elongated,
squised, rolled, pressed) coins.

Bert

On 7/11/97 10:38 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

> For those of you who are not TEC members, I cannot recommend them
>highly enough. Joining TEC was the first step in my collecting moving
>from a here and there kind of thing with a half dozen samples from my
>area, to a large collection containing issues from 27 of the 50 states
>and two foriegn countries.

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Top Ten List
Date: 12 Jul 1997 12:13:29 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

As I wander around the Bay Area sniffing the air for the scent of
rolling machines I often stop in places that I'm positive should have
machines, but don't. If you have experienced this as well, then perhaps
this project is for you. Below is my Top Ten List of Places That Should
Have Elongated Coins But Don't (as far as I know):

1) The Squished Penny Museum
2) The Trans-America Building
3) The Bay Bridge (there are old issues, but none current)
4) The White House
5) The Wooz on I-80 (It's a human maze)
6) Underwater World @ Pier 39
7) Ripley's Believe it or Not! (used to have one)
8) Airports (ALL of them!)
9) Capitol Buildings (ALL of them!)
10) The Elongated Coin Mailing List

Your thoughts, input, personal lists more then welcome!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Pete Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com>
Subject: (elongates) Top Ten List
Date: 13 Jul 1997 11:25:00 PDT

Below is my Top Ten List of Places That Should
Have Elongated Coins But Don't (as far as I know):

1) The Squished Penny Museum
2) The Trans-America Building
3) The Bay Bridge (there are old issues, but none current)
4) The White House
5) The Wooz on I-80 (It's a human maze)
6) Underwater World @ Pier 39
7) Ripley's Believe it or Not! (used to have one)
8) Airports (ALL of them!)
9) Capitol Buildings (ALL of them!)
10) The Elongated Coin Mailing List

Your thoughts, input, personal lists more then welcome!

Peace,

Aahz

Thanks, Aahz. Like we don't have enough of a complex about our inadequacies
already! Just for that, we'll make sure you're the last to get one <:)

the Squished Penny Museum folk

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Top Ten List
Date: 13 Jul 1997 16:48:42 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 13 Jul 1997, Pete Morelewicz wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Thanks, Aahz. Like we don't have enough of a complex about our inadequacies
> already! Just for that, we'll make sure you're the last to get one <:)
>
> the Squished Penny Museum folk

<on bended knee> I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Sorry!!!<grovel, grovel>
Please don't punish me oh Exalted Keeper of the Squished Penny...I'll be
good from now on, I promise ;)

On a serious note...I've been checking around on prices and
Willy's got a GREAT deal for anyone who wants a custom coin rolled. By
far the best prices.
As soon as I scrape up some extra money for the list I intend to
have him roll the list's. Of course, if donations were available....
8-)

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) CCE?
Date: 13 Jul 1997 16:59:10 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Has anyone heard of the CCE? I found a reference to it on an
older store card elongate I purchased. Also, COrey Wylde has been
advertising in TEC News to purchase a CCE membership card. This has
really got my curiosity piqued.

I believe I heard/read somewhere that there was once an elongated
coin club in California. Could this be it? Could it possibly still be
in existence and just hiding from my prying eyes? Inquiring minds want
to know!

Any info is, of course, greatly appreciated.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Roger Ingersoll <rogeri@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Top Ten List
Date: 14 Jul 1997 11:04:55 -0500 (CDT)

I have been lurking for a couple of weeks now learning more about this
hobby. I have been a very small collector of elongates for a while now.
Perhaps someone could forward a list of sources of people who can create
custom elongates. I have been thinking about doing some custom ones for
a few charities, but with the passing of Frank I have not known of any
other artist creating the dies for small groups.

Who is Willy? I guess I need to join the society huh?

Roger Ingersoll

> On a serious note...I've been checking around on prices and
> Willy's got a GREAT deal for anyone who wants a custom coin rolled. By
> far the best prices.

| rogeri@netcom.com
|\ Dallas, TX
8*<%%%%%%%%%|+>-===================================================-----
|/ Home of "Freemasonry on the Internet"
| http://www.chrysalis.org/masonry/

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Top Ten List
Date: 14 Jul 1997 09:24:21 -0700 (PDT)

On Mon, 14 Jul 1997, Roger Ingersoll wrote:

> Perhaps someone could forward a list of sources of people who can create
> custom elongates. I have been thinking about doing some custom ones for

I will post more info when I get home from work tonight, but
here's a couple names to tide you over:

Rocky Rockholt (RockyRockholt@msn.com)
&
Willy Massey (Massey@Clark.net)

>
> Who is Willy?

Willy is William C. Massey. You can check out his Luck "E" Penny
homepage at http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

Willy's a great guy and a quality roller. He's also on the list,
so probably will reply himself to let you know any more details you need.

> I guess I need to join the society huh?

For $10 a year, I wouldn't say it's a 'must', but it's definetly
worth far more.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Pete Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com>
Subject: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 14 Jul 1997 13:37:00 PDT

Is anyone attending the ANA Convention in New York later this month? The SPM
will be lugging up our displays from D.C. and holding a reception to view our
new exhibit "The Open Road: Touring America Today", featuring about 150 or so
elongateds and related souvenirs from tourists stops around the U.S.

The reception will take place in the evening during the convention at a space
separate from the convention area (on Broadway to be exact). Which evening is
still up in the air as we want to see which night would draw the most folks.
So let me know...hope to see you there.

Pete,
Squished Penny
Museum

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 14 Jul 1997 17:22:29 -0700

Hi Pete (and everyone else),
I'll be at the ANA! But only on Friday, Aug. 1st -- for the TEC
meeting!
I should be in N.Y. all day, but my ride leaves in the evening :(
Hope to meet a few of you there.
--Willy
--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

Pete Morelewicz wrote:
>
> Is anyone attending the ANA Convention in New York later this month? The SPM
> will be lugging up our displays from D.C. and holding a reception to view our
> new exhibit "The Open Road: Touring America Today", featuring about 150 or so
> elongateds and related souvenirs from tourists stops around the U.S.
>
> The reception will take place in the evening during the convention at a space
> separate from the convention area (on Broadway to be exact). Which evening is
> still up in the air as we want to see which night would draw the most folks.
> So let me know...hope to see you there.
>
> Pete,
> Squished Penny
> Museum

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 14 Jul 1997 21:25:51 -0400

Pete Morelewicz wrote:
>
> Is anyone attending the ANA Convention in New York later this month? The SPM
> will be lugging up our displays from D.C. and holding a reception to view our
> new exhibit "The Open Road: Touring America Today", featuring about 150 or so
> elongateds and related souvenirs from tourists stops around the U.S.
>
> The reception will take place in the evening during the convention at a space
> separate from the convention area (on Broadway to be exact). Which evening is
> still up in the air as we want to see which night would draw the most folks.
> So let me know...hope to see you there.
>
> Pete,
> Squished Penny
> Museum

And I also shall be there. I'm going to the TAMS banquet (thurs?) and
the Saturday one, so that might leave Friday open (you know how time
gets swallowed up at these things). Look forward to seeing you. Will
you be hanging out at the TEC booth?

Bob Fritsch
rfritsch@concentric.net

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From: "Paul Richards" <stat@iu.net>
Subject: (elongates) New Idea: FLASHPOINT Auction
Date: 14 Jul 1997 22:34:11 -0400

Dear Listers,

Paul Richards here. Back from two weeks chasing around the country ...
it's good to be home. (By the way, the Internet Article is complete. I am
in the process of getting a draft on the Web for your comments.)

I would like to present an idea to the lists and get some opinions. The
idea involves coin auctions, but it is not your typical, garden-variety
auction. I call the new idea a FLASHPOINT auction.

In a normal auction, the price starts low and goes up. The price keeps
going up until one person is left standing. In a new FLASHPOINT auction,
the price starts high and goes down. The price keeps going down until one
person stands up to buy.

Do you see how this would work? Say I have a coin for sale. Say the coin
has a Red Book value of $100 and a Greysheet bid of $50. Usually, the coin
would sell somewhere between Red Book and Greysheet. The question is
"where?"

In a FLASHPOINT auction, the coin is first offered to everyone at $100. If
someone wants it, he or she buys it at the Red Book price of $100. If no
one wants it at that price, the coin is offered to everyone a second time
at $95. The process repeats until someone reaches his/her FLASHPOINT. At
that time, the buyer stands up and gets the coin at the FLASHPOINT price.
Neat, huh?

Without the Internet, this idea is impractical. But now, with Internet
technology, the idea is feasible.

I ran this idea past Paul Gold of Teletrade and Roy Latham of Computer
Graphics Systems Development Corporation. Both of these experts thought
the idea was quite novel, but difficult to implement due to detailed
problems with Web timing. If a coin cost $10,000, and milliseconds matter,
there could be trouble. But, for coins in the "working man" class, the
concept should be fine.

So, what do you think of this hair-brained scheme? I am interested in your
comments. Please e-mail to the list or to me directly: Paul Richards
stat@iu.net.

Since Kelly Anderson supports commercial transactions on his American Coin
listserv, Stat-Matics will run a small FLASHPOINT auction there shortly.
Here are the lots and their opening prices:

lot SQ four rolls of 1979-D BU cents for elongates, start at $8
lot CB 1850 Large Cent, F-12 not over-dark, start at $16
lot AA Constantine AE Follis, London Mint, Sol reverse, VF/XF, start at $44
lot BD 1828 Half Cent 13 Stars, F-15, start at $48
lot DT 1938-D/S Buffalo, PCGS MS-65 bright, start at $125
lot BR 1861 Indian Cent, NGC MS-64, full CN color (nice), start at $325

Each day at supper time (8:00 or so in Florida) an e-mail message will be
sent to the American Coin list with continually lower prices. To buy one
of the six lots, reply via e-mail and specify the lot you want.

The auction will continue until all coins are sold, or until I start losing
money big time, whichever comes first <g>.

Full 10-day, any-reason return priviledges apply. Postage and handling $3.

If this first experiment works well, Stat-Matics will establish a separate
e-mailing list for those who wish to participate in future FLASHPOINTS.

Thanks for your time and Happy collecting!

Paul Richards stat@iu.net
Stat-Matics http://www.cgsd.com/statmatics.html

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Idea: FLASHPOINT Auction
Date: 14 Jul 1997 22:49:51 -0700

Questions:
What if more than one person has the same "Flashpoint"? Who gets it
then?
What is the advantage of this system over the norm?
What is the time-lapse between price droppings?

--Willy

Paul Richards wrote:
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> Paul Richards here. Back from two weeks chasing around the country ...
> it's good to be home. (By the way, the Internet Article is complete. I am
> in the process of getting a draft on the Web for your comments.)
>
> I would like to present an idea to the lists and get some opinions. The
> idea involves coin auctions, but it is not your typical, garden-variety
> auction. I call the new idea a FLASHPOINT auction.
>
> In a normal auction, the price starts low and goes up. The price keeps
> going up until one person is left standing. In a new FLASHPOINT auction,
> the price starts high and goes down. The price keeps going down until one
> person stands up to buy.
>
> Do you see how this would work? Say I have a coin for sale. Say the coin
> has a Red Book value of $100 and a Greysheet bid of $50. Usually, the coin
> would sell somewhere between Red Book and Greysheet. The question is
> "where?"
>
> In a FLASHPOINT auction, the coin is first offered to everyone at $100. If
> someone wants it, he or she buys it at the Red Book price of $100. If no
> one wants it at that price, the coin is offered to everyone a second time
> at $95. The process repeats until someone reaches his/her FLASHPOINT. At
> that time, the buyer stands up and gets the coin at the FLASHPOINT price.
> Neat, huh?
>
> Without the Internet, this idea is impractical. But now, with Internet
> technology, the idea is feasible.
>
> I ran this idea past Paul Gold of Teletrade and Roy Latham of Computer
> Graphics Systems Development Corporation. Both of these experts thought
> the idea was quite novel, but difficult to implement due to detailed
> problems with Web timing. If a coin cost $10,000, and milliseconds matter,
> there could be trouble. But, for coins in the "working man" class, the
> concept should be fine.
>
> So, what do you think of this hair-brained scheme? I am interested in your
> comments. Please e-mail to the list or to me directly: Paul Richards
> stat@iu.net.
>
> Since Kelly Anderson supports commercial transactions on his American Coin
> listserv, Stat-Matics will run a small FLASHPOINT auction there shortly.
> Here are the lots and their opening prices:
>
> lot SQ four rolls of 1979-D BU cents for elongates, start at $8
> lot CB 1850 Large Cent, F-12 not over-dark, start at $16
> lot AA Constantine AE Follis, London Mint, Sol reverse, VF/XF, start at $44
> lot BD 1828 Half Cent 13 Stars, F-15, start at $48
> lot DT 1938-D/S Buffalo, PCGS MS-65 bright, start at $125
> lot BR 1861 Indian Cent, NGC MS-64, full CN color (nice), start at $325
>
> Each day at supper time (8:00 or so in Florida) an e-mail message will be
> sent to the American Coin list with continually lower prices. To buy one
> of the six lots, reply via e-mail and specify the lot you want.
>
> The auction will continue until all coins are sold, or until I start losing
> money big time, whichever comes first <g>.
>
> Full 10-day, any-reason return priviledges apply. Postage and handling $3.
>
> If this first experiment works well, Stat-Matics will establish a separate
> e-mailing list for those who wish to participate in future FLASHPOINTS.
>
> Thanks for your time and Happy collecting!
>
> Paul Richards stat@iu.net
> Stat-Matics http://www.cgsd.com/statmatics.html

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Re: Lord's Prayer info request
Date: 14 Jul 1997 21:04:20 -0700 (PDT)

> This letter is a reply to your recent inquiry regarding the Lord's
> Prayer
> on elongated cents. Further information on the subject can be found in
> "Encyclopedia of the Modern Elongate" by Angelo A. Rosato and in an article
> appearing in the April-May-June 1991 issue of "TEC News" published by The
> Elongated Collectors organization.

Does anybody out there have these references? If so, could you
possibly make photocopies of them for me? Please?

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Lord's Prayer info request
Date: 15 Jul 1997 00:23:44 -0700

Don't let Rosoto hear you asking for photocopies of his book (whole or
in part)!
He's VERY ANAL about that!!!

--Willy

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> ....Does anybody out there have these references? If so, could you
> possibly make photocopies of them for me? Please?
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Rosato's Encyclopedia
Date: 14 Jul 1997 21:24:02 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 15 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Don't let Rosoto hear you asking for photocopies of his book (whole or
> in part)!
> He's VERY ANAL about that!!!

Willy,

Not surprising from the impression I've gotten from his articles
and ads in TEC News, and the promo stuff he sends out.

But, he's not here, so I'm not worried. 8-) As soon as I have a
spare $129 I'm gonna buy his book. I just don't expect it to happen
until the price goes to $175 and then I'll have to wait even longer. <sigh>

Okay, here's the simple way to get around copyright issues,
although I'm sure Angelo would still complain, he would have no legal
grounds:

I am interested in Rosato's book, The Encylopedia of the Modern
Elongated. If anyone has a copy of this book, could you possibly review
it for me, especially the pages concerning the history of the Lord's
Prayer on Elongated Coins. BTW, my personal favorite type of review
includes heavy quoting so that I can get a feel for the authors style and
depth of content.

There, now it's legal. It is not a violation of copyright law to
quote a text in review. Then again, it is not illegal to make copies of
a text for personal use. So, if someone could let me borrow their
photocopies of the aforementioned sections I will promptly return them.

Peace,

Aahz

The copyright law fan.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 14 Jul 1997 21:27:48 -0700 (PDT)

On Mon, 14 Jul 1997, Pete Morelewicz wrote:

> The SPM
> will be lugging up our displays from D.C. and holding a reception to view our
> new exhibit "The Open Road: Touring America Today", featuring about 150 or so
> elongateds and related souvenirs from tourists stops around the U.S.

Pete,

I hope all goes well. Now I'm even MORE sad that I can't go! Be
sure to give us a report when you get back.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Idea: FLASHPOINT Auction
Date: 14 Jul 1997 21:46:49 -0700 (PDT)

On Mon, 14 Jul 1997, Paul Richards wrote:

> auction. I call the new idea a FLASHPOINT auction.

Catchy name.
> Do you see how this would work?

I understand how it works, I don't understand the need for it.
What is the benefit (and to whom) of using Flashpoint over the
traditional auction format?

> Say I have a coin for sale. Say the coin
> has a Red Book value of $100 and a Greysheet bid of $50. Usually, the coin
> would sell somewhere between Red Book and Greysheet. The question is
> "where?"

I don't accept this premise. I believe that it holds true in a
standard one on one deal. But prices above 'book' are often realized in
auctions. That's the primary benefit to the seller. On the flip side,
the benefit to the buyer is that he/she/it can often find items well
below 'sheet' price.

> Without the Internet, this idea is impractical. But now, with Internet
> technology, the idea is feasible.

I really don't understand this statement. It seems far more
practical to use this system in a live auction then an internet auction.
Haven't you ever been at a live auction where the auctioneer starts the
bidding at say $100, no one bids. He then drops the open to $90, etc.
until either someone bids, he hits the reserve, or he just gives up. I
have experienced this seceral times and don't see where it differs from
Flashpoint.

> the idea was quite novel, but difficult to implement due to detailed
> problems with Web timing. If a coin cost $10,000, and milliseconds matter,
> there could be trouble. But, for coins in the "working man" class, the
> concept should be fine.

This seems like an elitist attitude to me. I get just as upset
when I lose a $20 item due to 'puter problems as anyone who loses a
$10,000 item. What does value have to do with it?

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) I need WDW quarters.
Date: 15 Jul 1997 01:30:26 -0400 (EDT)

Fellow smashed, squashed and pressed coin enthusiasts.
Recently I traded a set of Disneyland Coins for some sets of Disney
World 25th aniversary quarters. Just now I discovered that there is a 13th
coin inside The Magic Kingdom that I don't have. All of the others are at the
resorts.
I would like to know if anyone would be able to pick up three of the
25th anniversary quarters with Mickey Mouse from the Magic Kingdom (not the
Contemporary).

Write me, we'll work something out.
Thanks,
Mickey M
"Cinnamon toast and tacos, por favor"

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) I need WDW quarters.
Date: 15 Jul 1997 00:42:46 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 ENTROPYM@aol.com wrote:

> 25th anniversary quarters with Mickey Mouse from the Magic Kingdom (not the
> Contemporary).

I need one of these too! I also have the tewlve from the
resorts, but need this elusive 13th!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Rollers
Date: 15 Jul 1997 01:15:46 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Below is my current list of rollers. I would like to make this
list as complete as possible, so additions and/or corrections would be
more than appreciated. My intent is to put this in a file dedicated
to the list so that it can easily be retrieved by any who need it. As
soon as I learn how to manage this, it will be done. I believe Bert is
also including this information on his web page (The Smashed Coin Locator).
Please post any additions/corrections to the mailing list. I will update
the file and send it out as requested.

Here is the list I have compiled so far:

Rocky Rockholt E-Mail: RockyRockholt@msn.com
2678 Sumac Ridge
White Bear Lake, MN 5510-5646
(612) 777-9000
Sig: RR stacked in border at left or top of coin
(Long time roller, TEC Director)

Luck E. Penny E-Mail: Massey@Clark.net
P.O. Box 1511
Beltsville, MD 20704-1511
(401) 937-7732
Contact: William C. Massey (Willy)
(Check out the Luck "E" Penny homepage at:
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm)
Sig: WCM in border at top or left of coin

Chicago Computer & Light, Inc.
5001 N. Lowell Ave.
Chicago, IL 60630-2610
(773) 283-2749
FAX (773) 283-9972
Contact: Larry Feit
Sig: CC&L in large letters at bottom of design
(Be sure to ask him about the Coinvelope!)

Ray Dillard
P.O. Box 61
Fenton, MI 48430
Sig: Cursive RWD in border at top or left of coin
(Rolls coins for just about every show he attends. Very active.)

The information on the following is a couple years old, so may no longer
be accurate:

James Kilcoyne
5274 Linton Road
Cadiz, KY 42211
(502) 924-5354
Sig: JK stacked in border at left or bottom of coin
(He kinda 'vanished' on me a couple months back)

Don A. Wilkinson
5700 Flagler St.
Metairie, LA 70003
Sig: DAW just within border near bottom of coin
(Not sure if he still rolls)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On Mon, 14 Jul 1997, Roger Ingersoll wrote:

> I have been lurking for a couple of weeks now learning more about this
> hobby. I have been a very small collector of elongates for a while now.
> Perhaps someone could forward a list of sources of people who can create
> custom elongates. I have been thinking about doing some custom ones for
> a few charities, but with the passing of Frank I have not known of any
> other artist creating the dies for small groups.
>
> Who is Willy? I guess I need to join the society huh?
>
> Roger Ingersoll
>
>
> > On a serious note...I've been checking around on prices and
> > Willy's got a GREAT deal for anyone who wants a custom coin rolled. By
> > far the best prices.
>
>
>
>
>
> | rogeri@netcom.com
> |\ Dallas, TX
> 8*<%%%%%%%%%|+>-===================================================-----
> |/ Home of "Freemasonry on the Internet"
> | http://www.chrysalis.org/masonry/
>
>
>

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From: Pete Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 15 Jul 1997 08:20:00 PDT

Okay, so it looks like Friday night. I will make plans to secure the space
for then. Also, can either of you (Bob or Willy) send an itinerary of
elongated-related happenings at the convention? It would be helpful to us
first-timers.
(And Willy, if you can't make it to the viewing on Friday,
perhaps we can do it before or after the convention.)

Pete
------------------------

And I also shall be there. I'm going to the TAMS banquet (thurs?) and
the Saturday one, so that might leave Friday open (you know how time
gets swallowed up at these things). Look forward to seeing you. Will
you be hanging out at the TEC booth?

Bob Fritsch
rfritsch@concentric.net

-------------------------
Hi Pete (and everyone else),
I'll be at the ANA! But only on Friday, Aug. 1st -- for the TEC
meeting!

--Willy

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Rollers--correction
Date: 15 Jul 1997 14:02:55 -0700

Hi Gang,
Just for the record: My area code is (301)
--Willy

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> Greetings & Salutations!
>
> Below is my current list of rollers. I would like to make this
> list as complete as possible, so additions and/or corrections would be
> more than appreciated. My intent is to put this in a file dedicated
> to the list so that it can easily be retrieved by any who need it. As
> soon as I learn how to manage this, it will be done. I believe Bert is
> also including this information on his web page (The Smashed Coin Locator).
> Please post any additions/corrections to the mailing list. I will update
> the file and send it out as requested.
>
> Here is the list I have compiled so far:
>
> Rocky Rockholt E-Mail: RockyRockholt@msn.com
> 2678 Sumac Ridge
> White Bear Lake, MN 5510-5646
> (612) 777-9000
> Sig: RR stacked in border at left or top of coin
> (Long time roller, TEC Director)
>
> Luck E. Penny E-Mail: Massey@Clark.net
> P.O. Box 1511
> Beltsville, MD 20704-1511
> (401) 937-7732
> Contact: William C. Massey (Willy)
> (Check out the Luck "E" Penny homepage at:
> http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm)
> Sig: WCM in border at top or left of coin
>
> Chicago Computer & Light, Inc.
> 5001 N. Lowell Ave.
> Chicago, IL 60630-2610
> (773) 283-2749
> FAX (773) 283-9972
> Contact: Larry Feit
> Sig: CC&L in large letters at bottom of design
> (Be sure to ask him about the Coinvelope!)
>
> Ray Dillard
> P.O. Box 61
> Fenton, MI 48430
> Sig: Cursive RWD in border at top or left of coin
> (Rolls coins for just about every show he attends. Very active.)
>
> The information on the following is a couple years old, so may no longer
> be accurate:
>
> James Kilcoyne
> 5274 Linton Road
> Cadiz, KY 42211
> (502) 924-5354
> Sig: JK stacked in border at left or bottom of coin
> (He kinda 'vanished' on me a couple months back)
>
> Don A. Wilkinson
> 5700 Flagler St.
> Metairie, LA 70003
> Sig: DAW just within border near bottom of coin
> (Not sure if he still rolls)
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
> List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> On Mon, 14 Jul 1997, Roger Ingersoll wrote:
>
> > I have been lurking for a couple of weeks now learning more about this
> > hobby. I have been a very small collector of elongates for a while now.
> > Perhaps someone could forward a list of sources of people who can create
> > custom elongates. I have been thinking about doing some custom ones for
> > a few charities, but with the passing of Frank I have not known of any
> > other artist creating the dies for small groups.
> >
> > Who is Willy? I guess I need to join the society huh?
> >
> > Roger Ingersoll
> >
> >
> > > On a serious note...I've been checking around on prices and
> > > Willy's got a GREAT deal for anyone who wants a custom coin rolled. By
> > > far the best prices.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > | rogeri@netcom.com
> > |\ Dallas, TX
> > 8*<%%%%%%%%%|+>-===================================================-----
> > |/ Home of "Freemasonry on the Internet"
> > | http://www.chrysalis.org/masonry/
> >
> >
> >

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From: "Paul Richards" <stat@iu.net>
Subject: (elongates) Chinese/Dutch Auction
Date: 16 Jul 1997 07:58:04 -0400

Boy, you guys sure let me have it on my FLASHPOINT idea. Two out of three
of your comments were negative ... some VERY negative. I also got one
message from the spam patrol.

Anyway, for the one-third of you who liked the idea, I still plan on trying
it out on the ACoin list with the lots presented previously.

I will retain the name FLASHPOINT, since the "Dutch" and "Chinese" names
are derogatory. Also, as Chris Aahz points out, a regular auction
generally favors the seller, especially in a bidding war. A flashpoint
auction, which operates in reverse, should favor the buyer.

Paul Richards stat@iu.net
Stat-Matics http://www.cgsd.com/statmatics.html

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) rolls of uncirculated Lincoln pennies
Date: 16 Jul 1997 08:10:29 -0500

I place I buy regular pennies from has a list inside its current booklet
that has pre82 roll of pennies for sale. I mention this especially for
those who are in on this idea of getting a full set of pennies from Big
Al from Disney World. I ordered 5 rolls and am having them sent
directly to Pete so we can get going on this order before Big Al gets
too wise and ups his price on us.

Here is a list of the rolls (pre82) that are available and the price per
roll
1942s 140
1943s 75
1947s 18.50
1948s 20
1949s 45
1954 7.75
1958D 3.25
1960 1.50
1961 1.50
1962 1.50
1963 1.50
1965 1.50
1966 2.25
1967 1.75
1968D 1.50
1969D 1.50
1969s 2.50
1970D 1.95
1970s 2.25
1971 6.95
1971D 3.50
1972 1.95
1972D 1.95
1973 1.50
1973D 1.25 (my choice)
1973s 2
1974 1.50
1974D 1.50
1975 1.75
1975D 1.75
1976 1.75
1976D 2.75
1977 2
1979D 1.50
1980D 1.50
1981 1.50
1981D 1.25 (another choice for the price)
1982D copper 1.75

The address of the place is Tipsico Coin
2141 Broadway
P.O. Box 1128
North Bend-on-Coos Bay, Oregon 97459

1-541-756-7111

I have done business with them for several years. The shipping for $10
to $50 is $2.95 (minimum order is $10) and having mine sent directly to
Pete. I really want to get this done so Big Al doesn't wise up.

Janelle (Minnesota Flats)

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) rolls of uncirculated Lincoln pennies
Date: 16 Jul 1997 09:39:12 -0400

You mean Jeff, right?

- Jeff
At 08:10 AM 7/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I place I buy regular pennies from has a list inside its current booklet
>that has pre82 roll of pennies for sale. I mention this especially for
>those who are in on this idea of getting a full set of pennies from Big
>Al from Disney World. I ordered 5 rolls and am having them sent
>directly to Pete so we can get going on this order before Big Al gets
>too wise and ups his price on us.
>
>Here is a list of the rolls (pre82) that are available and the price per
>roll
[snip]
>Janelle (Minnesota Flats)
>
>
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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) Jeff
Date: 16 Jul 1997 09:13:33 -0500

I SENT THE ROLLS TO JEFF!!!! SORRY!!!!

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Jeff
Date: 16 Jul 1997 10:30:25 -0400

No biggie. I just didn't want Pete to get a bunch of pennies - unless he
likes to get random packs of pre-rolled pennies in the mail. :)

- Jeff
At 09:13 AM 7/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I SENT THE ROLLS TO JEFF!!!! SORRY!!!!
>
>
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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Pete Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) rolls of uncirculated Li
Date: 16 Jul 1997 13:59:00 PDT

Ooops. I didn't read the other messages before sending mine. Sorry Bert. But
hey, if you get a bunch of rolls in the mail, too, you hafta split the profit
with me, okay?

Pete

You mean Jeff, right?

- Jeff

At 08:10 AM 7/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I place I buy regular pennies from has a list inside its current booklet
>that has pre82 roll of pennies for sale. I mention this especially for
>those who are in on this idea of getting a full set of pennies from Big
>Al from Disney World. I ordered 5 rolls and am having them sent
>directly to Pete so we can get going on this order before Big Al gets
>too wise and ups his price on us.
>
>Here is a list of the rolls (pre82) that are available and the price per
>roll
[snip]
>Janelle (Minnesota Flats)
>
>
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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Pete Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com>
Subject: (elongates) rolls of uncirculated Lincol
Date: 16 Jul 1997 13:54:00 PDT

Since I haven't seen any other Petes on the elongate list, is the Pete being
referred to me? I hope not. Just in case though, the WDW crew should not send
their rolls to Pete in D.C. I believe Bert is the point man for that, no?

-Pete

_________________________

I ordered 5 rolls and am having them sent
directly to Pete so we can get going on this order before Big Al gets
too wise and ups his price on us.

having mine sent directly to
Pete. I really want to get this done so Big Al doesn't wise up.

Janelle (Minnesota Flats)

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Rollers
Date: 16 Jul 1997 21:44:53 -0400

> Don A. Wilkinson
> 5700 Flagler St.
> Metairie, LA 70003
> Sig: DAW just within border near bottom of coin
> (Not sure if he still rolls)

Don has been very sick the past few years. Saw him at ANA Detroit 94
but not at Denver 96. He is a super genteleman who has the passion for
this branch of the hobby. He always used to drift into the TEC Booth
with the line, "Is this where they make them squashed pennies?" [done is
a Southern drawl].

Bob Fritsch

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 16 Jul 1997 22:10:45 -0400

Pete Morelewicz wrote:
>
> Okay, so it looks like Friday night. I will make plans to secure the space
> for then. Also, can either of you (Bob or Willy) send an itinerary of
> elongated-related happenings at the convention? It would be helpful to us
> first-timers.

ONGOING: TEC Booth, starring Ray Dillard's machine and a ton of fun.
If you have time stop by and help Ray run the booth. It's the funnest
hours you will have at any ANA.

FRI 1 AUG 97 8AM: TEC Board Meeting. Interesting because it shows how
the club is run and how decisions are made.

SAME 9AM: TEC Membership Meeting: Not to be missed. TEC is a great
group and the meeting proves it. Find out for yourself.

Check the Convention issues of *Numismatic News* and *Coin World* before
you arrive. Find all the dealers who offer freebies (elongates
especially) and note their table numbers. Do a fast cruise of the
bourse finding these tables and scoop up the goodies. Keep an eye out
for unadvertised give-aways.

One thing I like to do is to go through the "Mint Mile" which features
mints from around the world (somewhere around 26 in Denver, maybe more
this year). Get their free coin (purchase of a "passport" is required
at the ANA Money Market booth) then go to the TEC booth and squash them
with the show theme. Don't forget to paint them first; Ray always has a
can of spray paint handy. BEWARE that many countries consider this
activity illegal so don't tell them. Afterwards, go back to the Mint
Mile with your empty passport and fill it.

See you in New York!

Bob Fritsch
rfritsch@concentric.net

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Rollers
Date: 16 Jul 1997 20:15:29 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 16 Jul 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:

> Don has been very sick the past few years. Saw him at ANA Detroit 94
> but not at Denver 96.

This is very sad. It seems we are quickly losing many of the
people who really mad elongates a viable colecting category. I can only
hope there are people to follow in their footsteps. I know no one will
be able to fill their shoes.

I will remove Don from my list until I hear otherwise.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 16 Jul 1997 20:23:02 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 16 Jul 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:

> One thing I like to do is to go through the "Mint Mile" which features
<snip>
> Mile with your empty passport and fill it.
>

This is an awesome idea!! I don't suppose anyone could find the
time to make up one of these sets for me? I'll give generous trade
credit for the coins and even pay for your passport!

> See you in New York!

This is driving me crazy! The more I hear about the show the
more I want to go. It's a good thing I don't have a credit card, or I'd
probably just say "To Hell with it" and make the trip, putting myself in
a world of financial hurt.

I get the feeling that with the mention of freebies, this world
coin set idea, and the fact that the whole thing will be full of dealers
anyway, I'm gonna need to seriously boost up my trade list before the
first week of August!

Peace,

Aahz

<who is praying that next year's ANA will be in San Francisco>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Disneyland Meet
Date: 16 Jul 1997 20:39:26 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Okay, it's been several days without mention and we've got a few
new subscribers, so I'm bringing it up again. (Okay, I'm just bringing it
up again because I'm REALLy excited about it, but anywayz...)

The Elongated Coin Mailing List will be having its first ever
meet/trade session at Disneyland on Sunday, September 7th (tentative
date). The plan is very loose at the moment, but we're hoping to meet at
a nearby restaraunt in the morning for breakfast, spend the day in the
park enjoying ourselves and collecting Disney elongate sets, possibly
meet with someone who works on the Eurolink machines so we can learn more
about the machines that do all the hard work for our hobby, and at some
point in all this, trade elongates!

Of course, the biggest highlight (for me at least) is getting to meet
fellow collectors and put faces to some of the names on the list. I will
be driving down from the San Francisco Bay Area, and intend to collect
elongates along the way.

So, who's interested? If the dates a problem, let us know, we
can work on it. If the cost of admission is a problem, we're working on
getting discount passes. If the problem is that it just doesn't sound
like fun spending a day at Disneyland with fellow collectors, then I
think you may be subscribed to the wrong list ;)

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) WDW sets
Date: 16 Jul 1997 20:41:36 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

What's the status oon the mas WDW set purchase? How many people
do we have and what's the current price? Is anyone else interested, or
are we ready to get this thing moving?

Haven't heard in a while, so I'm just asking.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: "tink!!!" <dvlgrl66hatesspam@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Meet
Date: 16 Jul 1997 23:47:04 -0700

greetings all!!!

i have to admit it-i'm a premium annual passport snob... but the good
news is-because of this, i got a postcard in the mail today stating that
with my card, i can take 4 people into the park for just $26 each!!!
this deal they're offering is gonna last til september 30th, just in
time for the munch (sorry, i meant 'meet'. it's a rec.arts.bodyarts
thing;>) so, if the discounts are more than the $26, or if some folks
make an impromptu showing and need a cheaper ticket... well, anyways,
basically, i'm just excited!!! can't wait to meet everyone!!!

-nikki
ps-next weekend, i'll be heading to vegas for my bday, and if the
machine is still there, i'm gonna pick up a couple more squishies from
the 'barstow station' (the halfway point between el lay and las vegas),
so let me know if anyone is interested. also, if i find any machines in
vegas...same deal, i'll try to pick up a couple extras...
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Meet
Date: 16 Jul 1997 23:53:30 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 16 Jul 1997, tink!!! wrote:

> i have to admit it-i'm a premium annual passport snob... but the good
> news is-because of this, i got a postcard in the mail today stating that
> with my card, i can take 4 people into the park for just $26 each!!!

Very cool. That's another 20 elongates I can afford to pick up 8-)

> ps-next weekend, i'll be heading to vegas for my bday, and if the

Okay, I'm jealous. Of course, I got a week in Vegas for my 21st
birthday, but that doesn't mean anyone else should get to go without me!

> machine is still there, i'm gonna pick up a couple more squishies from
> the 'barstow station' (the halfway point between el lay and las vegas),

I have many fond memories of Barstow station, but was unaware of
their machine. Sign me up for one!

> so let me know if anyone is interested. also, if i find any machines in
> vegas...same deal, i'll try to pick up a couple extras...

Well, I just checked out both Willy's Hitchiker's Guide and Bert
Smashed Coin Locator and they're both pretty slim for Vegas. Over the
last two years or so I have heard reports of: 3 different machines in
Excalibur, one in the Rio, several (including quarters!) in Circus
Circus, and one in the Luxor (is that the right name? The big black
pyramid).

I haven't heard of anyone checking out the Downtown casinos, but
they seem like a natural as they already sell tourist kitsch.

Have fun! And don't forget to report any machine finds (wether you
pick up trade stock or not) to the list so Bert and Willy can update their
pages.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 17 Jul 1997 06:14:39 -0700

Hi Gang!
In the following message, Bob (bless his heart) attempted to describe
the fun and excitement of attending an ANA convention as an elongated
coin enthusiast... Let me just say that Bob was correct in his
assessment, although a bit reserved. IT'S A TOTAL BLAST!!!!!

--Willy :)

Bob Fritsch wrote:

> ONGOING: TEC Booth, starring Ray Dillard's machine and a ton of fun.
> If you have time stop by and help Ray run the booth. It's the funnest
> hours you will have at any ANA.
>
> FRI 1 AUG 97 8AM: TEC Board Meeting. Interesting because it shows how
> the club is run and how decisions are made.
>
> SAME 9AM: TEC Membership Meeting: Not to be missed. TEC is a great
> group and the meeting proves it. Find out for yourself.
>
> Check the Convention issues of *Numismatic News* and *Coin World* before
> you arrive. Find all the dealers who offer freebies (elongates
> especially) and note their table numbers. Do a fast cruise of the
> bourse finding these tables and scoop up the goodies. Keep an eye out
> for unadvertised give-aways.
>
> One thing I like to do is to go through the "Mint Mile" which features
> mints from around the world (somewhere around 26 in Denver, maybe more
> this year). Get their free coin (purchase of a "passport" is required
> at the ANA Money Market booth) then go to the TEC booth and squash them
> with the show theme. Don't forget to paint them first; Ray always has a
> can of spray paint handy. BEWARE that many countries consider this
> activity illegal so don't tell them. Afterwards, go back to the Mint
> Mile with your empty passport and fill it.
>
> See you in New York!
>
> Bob Fritsch
> rfritsch@concentric.net

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: (elongates) Don Wilkinson Needs Us!!!!
Date: 17 Jul 1997 06:39:03 -0700

In reply to the following message about Don Wilkinson TEC #1079:

For those of you who don't know Don... Know This. Don is one of the
most generous coin rollers to ever squish a penny! He has done MUCH for
TEC and humanity alike throughout the years. Don has even suffered the
greatest loss of all-time because of elongated coins -- Several years
ago, while on an ANA trip to (possibly from) Chicago, Don lost his wife,
when their van ran off the road. Their rolling machine was hurled into
Don's wife, leaving her dead! Even after that horrible accident, which
left Don in a wheelchair, Don continued to roll coins and give thousands
of them away, just to see the smiles of the recipients.

Don should NEVER be forgotten! Especially now that he needs a little
pick-me-up!!! So I say: If you happen to have an extra "cheering-up"
elongated coin -- Make his day by sending it to him!!!

Don Wilkinson TEC#1079
5700 Flagler Street
Metaire, LA 70003

--Willy

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Wed, 16 Jul 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:
>
> > Don has been very sick the past few years. Saw him at ANA Detroit 94
> > but not at Denver 96.
>
> This is very sad. It seems we are quickly losing many of the
> people who really mad elongates a viable colecting category. I can only
> hope there are people to follow in their footsteps. I know no one will
> be able to fill their shoes.
>
> I will remove Don from my list until I hear otherwise.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 17 Jul 1997 09:04:42 -0400

When is the Mass convention again? I thought it was around the same time.
I have a wedding to go to during the NY ANA convention. But, if someone
could pick up a set for me, I'll pay them back!

- Jeff

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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: (elongates) Los Vegas pennies
Date: 17 Jul 1997 09:34:58 -0400

Hi Nikki,
Can you pick me up one from Barstow Station? I have only a couple from
Vegas - at the Excalibur.
Any others would be appreciated! :)

Thanks,

- Jeff

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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Bert Creighton <bertc@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: (elongates) Los Vegas pennies
Date: 17 Jul 1997 08:46:15 -0700

Hi Nikki,

I'd love to get descriptions of the machines, their pennies/quarters, and
locations from Barstow and Las Vegas. The coins would also be wonderful,
and I will trade for things I have.

Bert

>---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ----------------
>Date: 07/17 6:34 AM
>Received: 07/17 6:43 AM
>From: Jeff Dixon, jeffd@kurzweil.com
>Reply-To: Mailing List Penny, elongates@mail.xmission.com
>To: elongates@xmission.com
>
>Hi Nikki,
>Can you pick me up one from Barstow Station? I have only a couple from
>Vegas - at the Excalibur.
>Any others would be appreciated! :)
>
>Thanks,
>
>- Jeff
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
>Software Engineer
>Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
>411 Waverley Oaks Road
>Waltham, MA 02154
>
>
>
>----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------

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From: Bert Creighton <bertc@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Meet
Date: 17 Jul 1997 09:09:04 -0700

Greetings Everyone,

I too am a Premium Holder and L O V E being at the Happiest Place On
Earth (cause it has all those Eurolink machines!).

I hope you will get the word out about the Disneyland meeting, even to
friends that may not know about collecting, but are Disney/Land fans...
Visiting Disneyland can get into many new levels, even for us Premium
Pass Holders. There are Hidden Mickeys (found elsewhere on the net),
Disneyland Secrets (also found on other parts of the net), and of course
--> Pennies, Nickels and Quarters smashed into new designs.

Come for a couple of hours or a day. We're gonna have fun!

Bert

>
>---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ----------------
>Date: 07/16 11:47 PM
>Received: 07/16 11:52 PM
>From: tink!!!, dvlgrl66hatesspam@concentric.net
>Reply-To: Mailing List Penny, elongates@mail.xmission.com
>To: Mailing List Penny, elongates@mail.xmission.com
>
>greetings all!!!
>
>i have to admit it-i'm a premium annual passport snob... but the good
>news is-because of this, i got a postcard in the mail today stating that
>with my card, i can take 4 people into the park for just $26 each!!!

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From: Bert Creighton <bertc@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Meet
Date: 17 Jul 1997 09:15:31 -0700

Pete (Squished Penny Museum),

Do you have some LOST Wages locations for Nikki? I know there are some
quarter machines there, and would love to get the locations...

Thanks

bc

>> so let me know if anyone is interested. also, if i find any machines in
>> vegas...same deal, i'll try to pick up a couple extras...
>
> Well, I just checked out both Willy's Hitchiker's Guide and Bert
>Smashed Coin Locator and they're both pretty slim for Vegas. Over the
>last two years or so I have heard reports of: 3 different machines in
>Excalibur, one in the Rio, several (including quarters!) in Circus
>Circus, and one in the Luxor (is that the right name? The big black
>pyramid).

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From: Pete Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Lost Wages
Date: 17 Jul 1997 13:26:00 PDT

ps-next weekend, i'll be heading to vegas for my bday, and if the
machine is still there, i'm gonna pick up a couple more squishies from
the 'barstow station' (the halfway point between el lay and las vegas),
so let me know if anyone is interested. also, if i find any machines in
vegas...same deal, i'll try to pick up a couple extras...
---------

Nikki-
I have discovered 4 machines in Vegas:

Circus Circus: penny machine just inside entrance of Grand Slam Canyon

Excalibur: one machine somewhere just off the casino floor (can't recall the
exact location)

Stratoshere: at least 2 machines on observation deck (at least three distict
designs)

Happy hunting.

-Pete

P.S. While you're there, play the change machines. You can't lose.

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 17 Jul 1997 17:29:03 -0700

Both the ANA and TEC elongated sets will be available thru the TEC
Newsletter, for anyone that can't make the big show.

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> When is the Mass convention again? I thought it was around the same time.
> I have a wedding to go to during the NY ANA convention. But, if someone
> could pick up a set for me, I'll pay them back!
>
> - Jeff
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
> Software Engineer
> Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
> 411 Waverley Oaks Road
> Waltham, MA 02154

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Rollers
Date: 17 Jul 1997 21:14:18 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:

> I will remove Don from my list until I hear otherwise.
>

I would tend to leave him on because I think he still rolls but not very
much.

Bob

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 17 Jul 1997 21:26:25 -0400

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> When is the Mass convention again? I thought it was around the same time.

The NENA Convention is 22-23 August in Marlborough, MA.

Bob Fritsch
President, NENA

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Counterstamping
Date: 17 Jul 1997 21:10:26 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Some time ago someone (sorry I don't remember who) asked about
methods for counterstamping coins. Several ideas were presented. I am
curious to know what became of the situation. Did you find what you were
looking for? How difficult was the search? Costs?

On a similar note: Has anyone ever counterstamped an elongate?
Elongated a counterstamped coin? Inquiring minds want to know!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: (elongates) Let's Promote TEC
Date: 18 Jul 1997 00:26:56 -0700

Anyone interested in earning a VERY limited edition elongated nicked,
issued by TEC???

TEC annually rewards those who go out of their way to promote TEC and
elongated coins in general... With a special "TEC MERIT AWARD" elongated
nickel -- They are very nice! You don't need to produce elongateds to
earn one either... One easy way to earn such a coin is to bring in a
bunch of new members to TEC. Here's an easy way to do this:

Place TEC membership applications on top of the "vending" type of
machines that we all know and love (with permission of the location's
management, of course). Make sure that you sign YOUR name (with TEC #)
on the bottom of the application where it reads: TEC SPONSOR.

If necessary, Howard Sharkey (the TEC Secretary) has TEC applications
that are setup four to a sheet, and would gladly send you some so that
you may make as many copies as you like. It's hard for me to believe
that most of the rolling machines out there make no reference to TEC.
So, it's up to us to keep bringing in new blood!
--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Let's Promote TEC
Date: 17 Jul 1997 21:27:20 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Place TEC membership applications on top of the "vending" type of
> machines that we all know and love (with permission of the location's
> management, of course). Make sure that you sign YOUR name (with TEC #)
> on the bottom of the application where it reads: TEC SPONSOR.
>
> If necessary, Howard Sharkey (the TEC Secretary) has TEC applications
> that are setup four to a sheet, and would gladly send you some so that
> you may make as many copies as you like.

This is another wonderful idea!! I talk up TEC whenever
possible, but know that many, many people out there regularly collect at
machines and have NO idea that anyone else has an interest in these
items. Other then camping next to a machine 24/7 this is the best idea
I've heard yet for bringing fresh people into TEC.

> It's hard for me to believe
> that most of the rolling machines out there make no reference to TEC.

Actually, this doesn't really surprise me. I have written to Tom
DuBois (President of The San Francisco Penny Machine Company) several
times with questions, and all I get is: "we don't give company
information to non-employees". As for Eurolink, several e-mails and two
letters have gone unanswered in the last two years 8-(. It seems to me
that these companies really don't grasp the concept of a consumer base
for their product. They seem unable to break out of the "impulse buyer"
product mindset.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Counterstamping
Date: 18 Jul 1997 00:37:40 -0700

Dear Chris (and curious others),

I counterstamp numbers on quarters prior to rolling them when producing
my serial numbered elongated quarter key-fobs (for my key retrieval
service). The numbers get stretched and remain incuse... looks pretty
cool (if I do say so myself).

I have also rolled a few cents that had "I love You" (with a heart)
counterstamped in front of Lincoln's depiction -- they too came out very
nicely. However, I have had no desire to counterstamp an elongated,
after the fact.

Hope this answers your question.

--Willy
TEC 1857

Chris Aahz wrote:

> ... On a similar note: Has anyone ever counterstamped an elongate?
> Elongated a counterstamped coin? Inquiring minds want to know!
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Machine in Pismo Beach
Date: 17 Jul 1997 22:11:22 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

I've got another machine to report to the location keepers. I
recently purchased a lot of elongates at eBay from Mart Wilburn
<MWWilburn@sycamore.com> and he was kind enough to include a bonus
elongate. My "bonus" was a coin from Pismo Beach, CA. It is vertical
with an open clam pictured in the center and "Happy As A Clam" curving
around the top, and "In Pismo Beach" curving around the bottom. It's got
the Eurolink 'e' in the border at the top.

When I inquired about the location of the machine, Mart replied:

"My wife picked that one up at the small shopping mall
near the pier in Pismo Beach, CA. She didn't say what
the name of the mall was, other than it was at the pier."

Now you know all that I do.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Foreign Language Fluency
Date: 18 Jul 1997 00:14:44 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

I have been working on my new cataloging system for Lord's Prayer
elongates and have run across a small problem: I only speak English. Any
chance we've got people on here that are fluent in Spanish, French or
Latin? I need literal translations of several different LPs in these
languages in order to properly categorize them. HELP!!

Responses off the list would be preferred as I doubt fluency is
of major interest to the majority of subscribers.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Meet
Date: 18 Jul 1997 03:16:19 -0400 (EDT)

To those going to Disneyland:
Be sure to pick-up the newest coins, the Hercules set (what did you expect?)
They are three quarter machines featuring Hercules, Meg and Pegasus.
Their last known location ws the Penny Arcade, home of the no apparent
purpose taffy machine.
Note also that the Pieces of eight shop has reopened and the Pirates penny is
back.
If anyone runs across the Splash Mountain penny. please squoooosh me a
couple, it has been missing for some time.

Mickey M
Patina green with envy.

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 18 Jul 1997 10:12:19 -0400

Cool. Thanks!
At 05:29 PM 7/17/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Both the ANA and TEC elongated sets will be available thru the TEC
>Newsletter, for anyone that can't make the big show.

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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Meet
Date: 18 Jul 1997 10:40:46 -0400

Oooh oooh ooh! Can someone press me the Hercules set. I'm still missing
the Splash Mountain penny too (I think).

- Jeff
At 03:16 AM 7/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>To those going to Disneyland:
>Be sure to pick-up the newest coins, the Hercules set (what did you expect?)
>They are three quarter machines featuring Hercules, Meg and Pegasus.
>Their last known location ws the Penny Arcade, home of the no apparent
>purpose taffy machine.
>Note also that the Pieces of eight shop has reopened and the Pirates penny is
>back.
>If anyone runs across the Splash Mountain penny. please squoooosh me a
>couple, it has been missing for some time.
>
>Mickey M
>Patina green with envy.
>
>
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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: dmcdonal@tvsw.org (David McDonald)
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 18 Jul 1997 14:47:34 -0500

>Cool. Thanks!
>At 05:29 PM 7/17/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>Both the ANA and TEC elongated sets will be available thru the TEC
>>Newsletter, for anyone that can't make the big show.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
>Software Engineer
>Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
>411 Waverley Oaks Road
>Waltham, MA 02154

How does one get ahold of the TEC newsletter?

David E. McDonald

451 East Sanborn Street

Winona, MN 55987-4047
.
dmcdonal@tvsw.org

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From: "Paul Richards" <stat@iu.net>
Subject: (elongates) Internet and Coin Collecting Article
Date: 18 Jul 1997 17:26:01 -0400

Dear listers,

A draft of an article on the Internet and Coin Collecting is ready for your
review. The article is designed to encourage non-computing collectors to
get their feet wet in cyberspace. It covers the WWW, News Groups, E-mail
and List Servers, with emphasis on the coins list, the acoins list, the
numism-l list, the elongates list and the Coinmasters club. There are four
graphic figures.

I am very interested in hearing your critique of the material. After a
week or so of review and refinement, I plan to send a manuscript to Mr. Ed
Reiter of COINage magazine for his perusal.

Find the article by starting at the Stat-Matics home page

http://www.statmatics.com/

or go directly there at

http://www.statmatics.com/sm_art01.htm

My thanks go to all those who have contributed so far. These people are:

Harry Bass hwbass@hbrf.org
Andrew Bennett andybennet@compuserve.com
Bill Thayer petworth@suba.com
David Garstang garstang@electriciti.com
Don Hebert dhebert@sprynet.com
Goeffrey Bard gbard@clientele.com
Jay King jayking@ricochet.net
Jim Mason mason_j@gse.utah.edu
John Darling darling@jeffnet.org
Kelly Anderson kelly@acoin.com
Ken Milenko magicken@baynet.net
Kevin Barry kbarry@ancients.cnchost.com
Mathiew S. Boutruche boutruc@ibm.net
Michael Berkman mberkman@msn.com
Michael Feyms@aol.com
Paul Gold paulg@teletrade.com
Pete Bishal danutt@cntn.net
Peter Kraneveld peterk@mail.club-internet.fr
Roger Thomas thomas5@wave-net.net
Simcha Kuritzky simcha_kuritzky@mail.amsinc.com
Steve Carr scarr@gvi.net
Stuart Segan stuart_segan@orangemicro.com
Paul Landsberg paws@vlsi.columbia.edu
Jim Paul cameocoins@zianet.com
John Bordner jwb209@epix.net
Chris Aahz aahz@svpal.org
Gary Wagnon Sr. garysddc@tcoast.4ez.com
Aram Haroutunian bustpoet@ix.netcom.com

Thanks again, and all the best to you,

Paul Richards stat@iu.net

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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Let's Promote TEC
Date: 18 Jul 1997 21:38:30 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 7/19/97 4:52:18 AM , you write:

<< This is another wonderful idea!! I talk up TEC whenever
possible, but know that many, many people out there regularly collect at
machines and have NO idea that anyone else has an interest in these
items. Other then camping next to a machine 24/7 this is the best idea
I've heard yet for bringing fresh people into TEC.
>>

Aahz has the right idea, I just sent in my $10 so I can also have a cool TEC
number.

I was one of those people to who he refered. I collected all of the
Disneyland pennies for fun one trip. Then I got the whole Paramount's Great
America set when I was there. This was just on a whim. I had no idea that
there was actually an entire smashed/pressed/elongated penny collector's
infrastructure. I thought that my collection was a little on the eccentric
side until I found out that there was a whole bunch more ...er...eccentrics
out there.
Frankly, you people scare me. :)

Mickey M

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Website is up! (fwd)
Date: 18 Jul 1997 19:30:16 -0700 (PDT)

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Chris,

My Disneyland coin guide website is up! It's up-to-date too. Check it
out at:

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/3599/

I'll eventually have all the coin images up for downloading. I'll try
to make it more legible for non-graphical users later.

David

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Let's Promote TEC
Date: 18 Jul 1997 19:37:26 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 ENTROPYM@aol.com wrote:

> I was one of those people to who he refered. I collected all of the
<snip>
> side until I found out that there was a whole bunch more ...er...eccentrics
> out there.
> Frankly, you people scare me. :)

If this eccentricity scares you, you should see the extant of my
vampire collection! Now THAT'S eccentric (and scary).

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 18 Jul 1997 19:44:51 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, David McDonald wrote:

> How does one get ahold of the TEC newsletter?
>
You join TEC. It's only $10 a year and not only do you get TEC
News, but you get to "meet" a lot oc cool people and get freebies to boot!
Not mention you'll get your very own TEC number to put in your messages 8-)

You can request a sample copy of the newsletter from Howard
Sharkey, but you won't necessarily get the most recent ish. I am
assuming you're looking for the issue w/ the con coins offered. Howard's
address is on the membership form I am sending in a message directly to you.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 18 Jul 1997 23:44:33 -0700

Just join TEC!!! Their newsletter comes out quarterly. There is a TEC
application at:
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/tec.htm

--Willy

>
> How does one get ahold of the TEC newsletter?
>
> David E. McDonald
>

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Internet and Coin Collecting Article
Date: 18 Jul 1997 23:49:21 -0700

Paul Richards wrote:
>
> I am very interested in hearing your critique of the material. After a
> week or so of review and refinement, I plan to send a manuscript to Mr. Ed
> Reiter of COINage magazine for his perusal.
>

Paul,
Before offering any furter critiques.... It would be nice if you would
answer the questions that I had previously aked on this matter!

--Will

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine in Pismo Beach
Date: 19 Jul 1997 01:23:17 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-18 06:34:41 EDT, you write:

>
> "My wife picked that one up at the small shopping mall
> near the pier in Pismo Beach, CA. She didn't say what
> the name of the mall was, other than it was at the pier."
>
> Now you know all that I do.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>

Hi All,

Just got back from a week away. I see lots of replies to my "Elongate Paint"
request. A big thanks for all replies. I will read them first thing in the
AM Sat. I hope to put the knowelge to good use!

The note above fro Aahz caught my eye, I just happend to be driving past
Pismo today! Missed the machine!! But spotted one at 833 Embarcadero in
Morro Bay CA, not far from Pismo! It's a horizontal elongate cent with a Sea
Otter pictured at sea. Just a block south on the other side of the street at
"The Captain's" store, is another elongate machine, also a Eurolink, and very
much like the first but with the Morro Rock pictured instead of the Otter.
Also found a couple of machines on "Cannery Row" in Monterey. I believe
these machines are well known, if not, let me know and I'll post the
discriptions and address...... Sorry, I'm in mind fade right now, long drive
today and it's late (for me)...

-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

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From: "tink!!!" <dvlgrl66hatesspam@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Let's Promote TEC
Date: 18 Jul 1997 23:27:30 -0700

> > side until I found out that there was a whole bunch more ...er...eccentrics
> > out there.
> > Frankly, you people scare me. :)
>
> If this eccentricity scares you, you should see the extant
> of my vampire collection! Now THAT'S eccentric (and scary).

yes, chris, BUT...do you have permanent fangs???

-nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Vampires (WAY off topic-but fun)
Date: 19 Jul 1997 01:49:33 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, tink!!! wrote:

> > If this eccentricity scares you, you should see the extant
> > of my vampire collection! Now THAT'S eccentric (and scary).
>
> yes, chris, BUT...do you have permanent fangs???
>

Only the ones I was made with. If you note in my .sig below, I
am a vampire hunter, not one of them. There are more then enough people
walking around with dental implants, I do not feel the need to join
them. I prefer a challenge to my hunt. Why prey on the weak?

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: "Paul Richards" <stat@iu.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Internet and Coin Collecting Article
Date: 19 Jul 1997 09:24:15 -0400

Will,

> Before offering any furter critiques.... It would be nice if you would
> answer the questions that I had previously aked on this matter!

Sorry, Will, I must have missed your question. I have been out of town for
two weeks and the e-mail piled up a mile high. In addition, my wife and I
share the same e-mail address, and Diane gets 150 messages per day about
German Shepherd Dogs. Yikes! We are in the process of fixing this
back-up, but we are not there yet.

Again, sorry I missed your inquiries. Can you repeat them?

Paul R.

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Silver Quarters
Date: 19 Jul 1997 15:29:45 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-10 18:15:18 EDT, you write:

> > As with all coins, you should consult a coin pricing guide or coin shop.
> > I have found many bookstores carrying paperback (and hard cover) books
on
> > coin prices. Be sure you are not smashing something of real numismatic
> > value.
> >
>

Best prices I've seen to the public was at the Long Beach Coin Show (other
shows should have similiar prices). The quarters, 1964's were uncirculated
("BU") at 3.5 times face in rolls of 40.

-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 19 Jul 1997 15:29:51 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-11 00:43:42 EDT, you write:

> Hey, has anyone ever tried silver quarters? I've never even SEEN a quarter

> press or I'd
> try it myself... Silver quarters in poor condition still polish up pretty

> nicely!
>
> Later...
>
> Ben Lavine
>

Hi Ben;

Yes, I use silver quarters. I like the finish and look. But, the quarters
cost about 80 cents each, so, you want to make sure that the roller is
working just right.

-Bob Hoff
TEC #2033

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 19 Jul 1997 15:29:53 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-11 04:20:49 EDT, you write:

> Now THIS is great idea! We can have the first ever Elongated
> Coin Mailing List Meet, Trade session, and Collection trip! I would LOVE
> to put faces to some of these names. I'm in Northern California, so
> could probably drive down for the weekend (How much is DL admission these
> days?)
>
> How many people would be interested/able to make a trip to Disneyland?
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
> ~

Sounds like fun!!!

-Bob Hoff
TEC #2033

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Ideas
Date: 19 Jul 1997 15:30:01 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-13 01:12:41 EDT, you write:

> I'll get some possible ideas and put them up here on the mailing list.
> One possible idea would be to meet at Beliles (I may have spelled this
> wrong) for breakfast before going into the park. It was started in 1955,
> the same year as Disneyland and they serve over-sized portions you won't
> believe! It is only a few blocks from the park...
>
>

As I remember, they have man-sized pancakes etc. No, not a man's portion.
They are the size of a man! :-)

You were close on the spelling, it's Belisle's (BELL EYE-EL's) (714)750-6560.
They are on Harbor Blvd at I THINK Chapman maybe a mile or two from DL (They
are long blocks, but, the place is sooooo "different" that many people don't
mind.) The restruant as I remember is bright pink with huge portions and a
most eclectic group of customers.

Happy Collecting
-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 19 Jul 1997 15:30:04 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-13 20:51:40 EDT, you write:

> If someone is going to get a set of Disneyland coins together. I would be
> interested in a set of those also.
> Mark
>

Hi Mark and All;

I'm thinking on it. The list of the DL machines on the net has me planning
on how to best attack the park. :-) If I can find a way to get this old gray
body 'round the park with a load of cents and quarters, I just may have some
trades for us. I'll post on this subject in about 10 days after I've given
it a try at DL. I'm thinking I'd just press a bunch and set them aside for
folks that would like to trade? With the group's planned trip to DL, many
want lists will be filled then, but, I could do the "fill-ins"?

Happy Collecting,
-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Counterstamping
Date: 19 Jul 1997 15:30:08 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-18 15:09:15 EDT, you write:

> Greetings & Salutations!
>
> Some time ago someone (sorry I don't remember who) asked about
> methods for counterstamping coins. Several ideas were presented. I am
> curious to know what became of the situation. Did you find what you were
> looking for? How difficult was the search? Costs?
>
> On a similar note: Has anyone ever counterstamped an elongate?
> Elongated a counterstamped coin? Inquiring minds want to know!
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>

Hi Aahz!

It was me! I asked about the counter stamping. I received some names, and a
lot of leads (Thank you all) but, have not called as I have been out of town.
Other than standard dies from Home Depot ( I could find numbers and letters,
but no patterns).

The names were:

It sounds like you want to mark your coins with a punch of some type.
As Chris said, the ready made ones are relatively inexpensive. Anything
else would have to be a special order.

It all depends upon how you want to mark your coins. There are those
Lincoln cents with all sorts of things stamped on them (a pipe, Kennedy,
Masonic emblem, etc). If that is your desire, you must find someone to
make the punch for you. Look in the phone book for "Die Sinkers
(makers)."

Letter and number punches are readily available for a few dollars each.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
TEC #1871

Hi all.

Two sources to try for dies for countermarking:

Henry A. Evers Corp.
72 N. Oxford St.
Providence, RI 02905
Ph. 401-781-4767
Fax 401-781-9581

OR

Centaur Forge. ltd.
P.O. Box 340-A
117 N. Spring St.
Burlington, WI 53105
Ph. 414-763-9175
Fax 414-763-8350

If you send Centaur Forge a hand drawn design of what you want, and the
desired overall height. They will send you a written quote within a few
days.

If you contact either of these companies, please let them know that
their information was passed along from ads in 'The Blade' magazine.

Good luck.

Ben Lavine
mcsquare@erols.com

-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 19 Jul 1997 15:30:26 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-11 07:11:34 EDT, you write:

> On Wed, 9 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
>
> > I'd bite at $125.00 +/- on pre '82's would even go for the quarters and
> > nickels if he has 'um. Even if I was "on property", I'd pay that. Man,

> what
> > a job (unless you are rolling a pile of them at one time).
>
> Well, if we count Bob in, we're down to $142.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>

Maybe we could ask "Big Al" to make up the sets and sell at a price to those
that use a special order or are listed as group buyers? It would keep us
from the worries and maybe we could gather outside collectors to add to our
number?

-Bob Hoff
TEC #2033

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From: Bert Creighton <bertc@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: (elongates) Machine in Pismo Beach
Date: 20 Jul 1997 09:24:48 -0700

Greetings,

On behalf of the "location keepers" -- thanks for our first Pizmo Beach
location! Now, we just need someone to stop by this machine on their next
Pizmo trip. 8-)

Thanks again Aahz for all your contributions!

Bert
Location Keeper
'Lookin' forward to this List's 1st Meeting at Disneyland'

>
> I've got another machine to report to the location keepers.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <bertc@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: (elongates) Let's Promote TEC
Date: 20 Jul 1997 09:24:52 -0700

Greetings All,

> Actually, this doesn't really surprise me. I have written to Tom
>DuBois (President of The San Francisco Penny Machine Company) several
>times with questions, and all I get is: "we don't give company
>information to non-employees". As for Eurolink, several e-mails and two
>letters have gone unanswered in the last two years 8-(. It seems to me
>that these companies really don't grasp the concept of a consumer base
>for their product. They seem unable to break out of the "impulse buyer"
>product mindset.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

I wanted to offer some additional information on this topic. I too have
tried to contact the San Francisco Penny Machine Company, with no
response. I also have tried to contact the Aloha Penny Machine company in
Hawaii on several occaisions, and they never return my calls.

I have had contact with Eurolink. They are in their "season" and are very
busy now, working across the country (and presumably the world),
installing new machines, repairing and updating older machines and
working on new locations.

I hope we can get more locations, and information from these companies.
It will greatly aid us in collecting/trading AND it will help them in
their revenue streams!

Bert

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Machine companies (Long but important!)
Date: 20 Jul 1997 14:15:25 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> I hope we can get more locations, and information from these companies.
> It will greatly aid us in collecting/trading AND it will help them in
> their revenue streams!

This seems like a prefect (and very necessary) project for this
list to take on. Perhaps one (or more) of you that attend the ANA
convention can talk this up with TEC people there. We've got the power
of The Elongated Coin Mailing List (about 30 members), TEC (hundreds of
members), and an institution (The Squished Penny Museum) behind us.
Let's put some (friendly) pressure on these companies. The way I see it
these are the things we need to do to have the greatest chance of success:

1) Compile a list of company addresses.

The San Francisco Penny Machine Company can be reached at:

Tom BuBois
San Francisco Penny Machine Company
115 Fair Ave.
Petaluma, CA 94952

Phone: (707) 763-8583

Eurolink can be reached at:

Eurolink
930 Huber Street, Suite H
Grover Beach, CA 93433

Phone: (805) 481-4507
FAX: (805) 481-4512
E-Mail: EurolinkCA@aol.com
(A contact name is always helpful if anyone has one)

I had never heard of the Aloha Penny Company unti Bert just
mentioned them. If you have ANY contact information on other machine
companies please post it to the list. Another company is called Uncommon
Sense.
Where do you get this info? Well, sometimes it's on the machines
themselves. You can ask a clerk at the store for the information. They
usually have a business card or at least a number to call if the machine
breaks. Or you can write to the attraction that hosts the machines. I
have found that tourist spots, amusement parks and zoos all respond
quickly and thoroughly to any queries they receive.

2) Decide what it is we need to know.

Most key is a list of machine locations. I would also like to know
things like what "signatures" are on their coins (and when they started
using them), what happens to machine signage when a machine is removed.
Do they have records of where machines USED to be.

3) Start contacting them and asking for either answers to these
questions or to have a representative that can communicate with our
representative (or the list directly).
My activist days taught me that if a matter is not of extreme
urgency, snail mail is the best way to get a message across. Large
numbers of phone calls quickly cause an annoyance and e-mail can be
deleted too easily. This isn't to say that these methods should not be
used, simply that they should always be followed up by a traditional letter.
Also, numbers count. Does anyone know how many members TEC has?
If we can inform them that we represent an organization of x number of
members it will probably pull more weight. If no one posts membership
numbers before ANA could someone please inquire at the TEC meeting?

4) Create a form letter.

While personal letters hold SLIGHTLY more weight than
form letters, both work well. These letters should be no more than one
page and cover salient points: who we are and what we want. It is
important for people to include their TEC numbers and mention the list
in their communication.
Anyone care to write a form letter and post it to the list? If we can run off some
copies of such a letter (one for each company whose address we get) and
have them available at the TEC table at ANA this would be great!

5) Get more people involved.

This is mainly up to the convention goers. When you talk to
people at cons about elongates, bring the topic up.

Okay, this is getting really long, so I'm going to cut it here.
This should get those thoughts flowing. Your input is both welcome and
important.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Letter writing campaign idea
Date: 20 Jul 1997 14:27:51 -0700 (PDT)

I just had a brilliant idea. If any of you are unaware of it Pete
Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com> is the co-founder/operator of The
Squished Penny Museum in Washington D.C. as well as a list subscriber
(and all around nice guy 8-). Each time I have traded with Pete he has
included some beautiful postcards advertising the SPM. I would assume
(although I recommend waiting for a confirmation from Pete) that if you
were to send an elongate or two to the SPM, he would send you a few
postcards in return.
These postcards would be perfect for sending a short note to
the machine companies! They are even more likely to impress upon these
companies that there is a serious bodies of collectors out here pouring
money into their machines.

Also, each time I have received a response from SFPMC they've
sent several free pennies along with their (closed mouth) letter. So if
you don't see how this letter writing campaign can benefit you
personally, free elongates should be some motivation. Even if you don't
like/already have the freebies they send, they can always be traded!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Rolling Mill (fwd)
Date: 20 Jul 1997 18:05:36 -0700 (PDT)

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Chris,
Ther is one at Stew Leonards a grocery store, it is in Brookfield Ct.
on Federal rd.
There are no markings on it to denote the maker.
Tony

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) New Trade List (1 of 5)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 00:00:35 -0700 (PDT)

Okay, here's my latest trade list. Once again, I'm going to post
it to the list in five sections. If you would prefer a copy in a single
e-mail or sent as an attached file, just let me know.

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Aahz' Elongates Trade List
Updated: 07/20/97

Chris Aahz
925 Ravenscourt Ave #2
San Jose, CA 95128

Aahz@svpal.org

Well, I have been working on my cataloging/naming system, so
several elongates on the list have different names than they did on
my last list. Most of the name changes have the former name listed as
well to help avoid confusion. This is an ongoing process, so if there
is any confusion over wether or not a name has been changed or it's a
new elongate, just ask.

Most of my elongates were purchased for the approximate issue
price of 50c, however, some cost me more. As a result I have come up
with a UNIT designation for each item on the list. The UNIT level is
set at MY COST. There is not a profit margin built in for trades. I
have designated one UNIT to equal one currently available elongate.
So, if an item is listed as 3 UNITs, then my asking 'price' is 3
currently available elongates. If you have older elongates to trade,
or other items, then I'm sure we can agree on something that is fair.
The UNIT designation is basically a starting point. If you prefer
purchase over trade, then consider 1 UNIT to equal 75c.

As I have multiple copies of many coins I can't describe
condition here. If condition is an issue, let me know in your trade
request and I will do my best to explain on the items you're
interested in.

My wants at this time are:
1) Elongates w/ the Lord's Prayer
2) Elongates on foreign coins
3) TEC Elongates
4) Elongates from/relating to San Francisco
5) Tourist Location Elongates
6) Souvenir Coins/Tokens/Wooden Nickels/Self-Punch Tokens
7) Store Card Elongates
8) Coin Club/Show Elongates
9) Halloween Elongates
10) Humorous/Oddball Items

If you're looking for something I don't have, let me know and
I'll keep my eyes open. I love to trade, so negotiating is not a
problem.

UNITS ITEM NAME DESCRIPTION {NOTES}
~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Elongates (Coin Clubs/Shows)-
1 Santa Barbara Coin Club v. Club logo, "40th Year/1956-1996/
Santa Barbara Coin Club/Santa Barbara
CA/P.O. Box 6205/93160"
1 1994 ANA Convention v. Antique truck, "103rd ANA
Convention/July 27-31/1994/Detroit,
Mich."
Elongates (Disney)-
3 Pirates of the Caribbean h. Cannon, "Pirates of the Caribbean/
Disneyland"
Elongates (Holiday)-
S '94 Hanukka h. Menorah, "Happy Hanukka/1994/
<hebrew writing>" {on Israeli 1 Agora
coin, trade for foriegn only}
1 Brazzell Seasons Greeting h. "Season's Greetings/Jane and Frank
Brazzell"
1 Christmas - Loaded Santa v. Santa w/ bag full o' goodies,
"Merry Christmas"
1 Christmas/New Year 1983 v. Christmas Tree, "Merry Christmas/
Happy New Year/1983"
1 Christmas/New Year Santa v. Santa, "Merry Christmas/Happy New
Year"
1 Christmas Note h. Santa w/ pen, "A Christmas Note/To
Keep In Touch/With Special Folks/Who
Mean So Much"
1 Christmas Snowman v. Snowman w/ scarf, hat & broom,
"Christmas Greetings"
1 Dancing Santa v. Santa 'Dancing', "Merry Christmas"
1 Dillard Noel v. Streetlight, full moon, holly,
"Noel/Merry Christmas"
1 Flat Out Santa h. Santa's Face, "Oh My! I have been
rolled and stretched to wish you a
Flat-Out Merry Christmas"
1 House to House Christmas h. Two houses exchanging gifts, "Merry
Christmas From Our House To Yours"
1 Michal Powers 1st B-day v. Birthday cake w/ one candle, "Happy
/Birthday/Michael/Michael James/Powers
/November 7/1984"
1 Santa - Fireplace v. Santa in front of fireplace w/
stocking, voice bubble: "Merry
Christmas"
1 Santa - Fireplace 2 v. Santa in front of fireplace w/
stocking and holly, voice bubble:
"Merry Christmas"
1 Sears Christmas v. Rudolph w/ Shining Nose, "Merry/
Christmas/From/Russ/Sears"
1 Snowy Season's Greetings h. Snowflakes, "Season's/Greetings"
1 X-mas & New Year Santa v. Santa's Face, "Merry Christmas/
Happy New Year"
1 Xmas-Long-Gaited Reindeer h. Holly, Reindeer, "Merry Christmas/
Long-Gaited Reindeer"

Elongates (Inspirational)-
1 Easy Does It h. "Easy/Does It!"
1 Educate Yourself h. Book and Torch, "Educate Yourself/
1 Follow Your Dreams v. Unicorn head, "Follow/Your/Dreams"
{Dime}
Read and Learn/At Your Library"
1 I Knew I Could v. Train Engine, "I/Knew/I/Could"
1 I'm On The Right Track v. Train Engine, "I'm On The/Right/
Track"
1 I Think I Can v. Train Engine, "I/Think/I/Can"
1 One Day At A Time h. "One Day At A Time"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) New Trade List (2 of 5)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 00:01:31 -0700 (PDT)

Elongates (Lucky Piece)-
1 7 Come 11 v. Dice showing 7, "Come", Dice
showing 11, "My Lucky/Cent" Horseshoe
1 Lucky Cent - Triple v. Horseshoe, Four-leaf Clover,
Rabbit's Foot, "My Lucky Cent"
1 Lucky Lottery Penny v. Outline of Texas w/ Cowboy Hat,
"Lucky/Lottery/Penny"
1 Lucky Unicorn v. Unicorn Head, "Lucky Unicorn"
1 My Lucky Cent-Horseshoe v. Large Horseshoe, Four-leaf Clover,
"My Lucky Cent"
1 My Lucky Coin v. Horseshoe w/ Four-leaf Clovers, "My
Lucky Coin"
1 My Lucky Penny Bingo h. Four-leaf Clover, Bingo card, "My
Lucky Penny"
1 NY Good Luck Penny v. Four-leaf Clover, Horseshoe,
entertwined NY, "Good/Luck/Penny"
Elongates (Military)-
1 20th Special Ops v. Helicopter, Knight Chess Piece,
"20th Special/Operations/Squadron/
MH-53J Pavelow IIIE Green Hornets"
1 101st Airborne (AASLT) v. Helicopter 'wings' logo, "101st
Airborne Division/(AASLT)/Ft.
Campbell, KY"
2 B24 Flying Circus h. B24, "Marvin 'Pete' Burris/Tail
Gunner/Flying Circus/B24 Liberator/529
Squad/5th AAF 380 Bomb Group"
1 Enola Gay Restoration v. Enola Gay dropping bomb, Stealth
Bomber, "Enola Gay-Aug 6, 1945/Pres./
Truman/Authorizes/Atom Bomb/Drop/
Stealth/Restoration Project"
1 Kentucky-Birthplace h. Confederate flag, U.S. flag,
"Kentucky/Birthplace of Davis-Lincoln
/1861/1865/War Between The States"
1 Special Forces v. Special Forces logo, "Special
Forces/To Free The Oppressed"
1 Total Victory h. American flag over stylized V,
"Total Victory/1991/Operation Desert
Storm"
1 USA Frees Kuwait v. Fighter Jet, "U.S.A. Frees Kuwait/
Desert Storm/Jan 16-Feb 18, 1991"
Elongates (Misc.)-
1 1991 Friendship Deer v. Buck jumping hedge, "Frindship/
1991"
1 Arkansas h. obv. State outline, Flower, Bird,
"Arkansas/The Wonder State/Apple
Blossom/Mockingbird" rev. "Don't Say I
Never/Gave You Nothing"
1 Art Seal h. Seal(?) on rock {looks like modern
art sculpture}
1 Bat Logo h. Batman's BatLogo
1 Bedford Gets Electricity h. Light bulb w/ light rays, "People's
Electric Light Co./1891/1904/Bedford
GetsElectricity/1904/1913/Bedford
Light and Power Co."
1 Chinese Love Token v. Circle w/ four couples having sex,
"Chinese Love Token"
1 Firefighter v. Generic FD badge, "Firefighter/
Dedicated To Saving Lives"
1 Friendship (Dreamcatcher) h. Dreamcatcher w/ bison skull,
"Friendship/1989" {Canadian Cent}
1 Gemini - Sex h. nude man and woman (doggie style),
"May 21/June 20/Gemini"
1 Gladiator h. Roman helmet, "Gladiator"
{Canadian Cent}
1 Happy-Sad Face v. obv. 'reversible' Happy-Sad Face,
"Have/A/Nice/Day", rev. "Don't Say I
Never/Gave You Nothing"
1 Hormotoma Whiteavesi v. Seashell, "Hormotosa Whiteavesi/
Silurian"
1 Horse Head v. Horse Head, facing left
1 If No One Claims Me h. "If No One/Claims Me/Within 30 Days
/I'm All Yours"
1 Illinois Sesquicentennial State Outline, "150 Years of Statehood/
Illinois/1818/1968"
1 I Love You (Heart) v. Scroll and Heart, "I/Love/You"
1 Japanese Waterfall v. Waterfall, three Japanese
Characters
1 NEHS Vikings v. Vikings logo, "Northeast Vikings/
NEHS/Oklahoma City/Oklahoma"
1 Oklahoma 60th Anniversary h. State outline, "1907-1967/Oklahoma/
60th Anniversary"
1 Party with the Buffaloes v. Buffalo holding beer bottle and
cigarette, "Party/With/The/Buffaloes"
2 Party/Buffaloes-Nickel v. Buffalo holding beer bottle and
cigarette, "Party/With/The/Buffaloes"
{On nickel}
1 Psittacosaurus h. Dinosaur skeleton, "Psittacosaurus
Cretaceous"
1 Radix School v. Cartoonish Indian brave, "Radix
School"
3 Santa Ana Centennial City Seal, "Santa Ana Centennial/1869/
1969"
2 Save The Whale v. Whale, "Save The Whale"
2 Save The Whales - 1 v. Whale, Heart, "Save The Whales"
2 Save The Whales - 2 v. Whale, Heart, "Save The Whales"
1 Seven Valleys Centennial h. City seal, "1892/Centennial/1992/
Aug./23rd/Seven Valleys, PA."
1 Smile "Smile"
1 Souvenir of Arkansas v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/
Arkansas/Land Of/Opportunity"
1 Souvenir of Delaware v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/
Delaware/First State/Blue Hen/State"
1 Souvenir of Illinois v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/
Illinois/Prairie/State/Land Of/
Lincoln"
1 Souvenir of Kentucky v. State Outline, "Commonwealth/Of/
Kentucky/Home Of The/Kentucky Derby/
The/Blue Grass/State"
1 Souvenir of Massachusetts v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/
Massachusetts/The/Bay/State"
1 Souvenir of Montana v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/Montana
/Big Sky/Country"
1 Souvenir of N. Carolina v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/North/
Carolina/The/Tar Heel/State"
1 Souvenir of Nebraska v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/
Nebraska/The/Cornhusker/State"
1 Souvenir of New Mexico v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/New/
Mexico/Land/Of/Enchantment"
1 Souvenir of Rhode Island v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/Rhode/
Island/The Ocean/State"
1 Souvenir of S. Carolina v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/South/
Carolina/The/Palmetto/State"
1 Souvenir of Utah v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/Utah/
The Salt/Lake State"
1 Souvenir of Wisconsin v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/
America's/Dairy Land/Wisconsin/The
Badger/State"
1 Telescope v. Outlined telescope
1 Texas 125th Anniversary v. Texas Outline w/ star, "Texas/1845-
1970/125th/Anniv."
1 The Drinking Class h. Hand holding beer mug, "Work/Is
The/Curse Of/The/Drinking/Class"
1 Things To Do Today (Sex) h. Couple in missionary position,
"Things To Do/Today!"
1 T-Rex v. Tyrannosaurus Rex, "T-Rex"
2 Tustin Centennial "1868/Tustin Centennial/1968/Tustin,
California"
1 Tyrannosaurus Rex v. T-rex, "Tyrannosaurus Rex"
1 USS High Purvis Reunion 2 v. Hippocampus, "2nd/Ships Reunion/
U.S.S. Hugh Purvis/D.D. 709/Aug. 22,
1992"
1 Virginia 180th Anniv. h. State outline, "Virginia/1788-1968/
180th Anniv."
2 Viva Chihuahua v. Chihuahua standing on hind feet,
"Good Luck/Viva Chihuahua"
1 War Eagle Scrollwork, "War/Eagle/Auburn/Alabama"
{Canadian Cent}
1 Waterloo Boy h. Tractor, "Waterloo Boy"
1 'Y' v. "Y"
1 You Are Special To Me v. Heart, "You Are Very Special To Me"
1 Zebra Service Award h. Zebra, "Zebra Service Award"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) New Trade List (3 of 5)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 00:02:11 -0700 (PDT)

Elongates (Patriotic)-
1 American Shield h. Striped Shield, "America/The
Beautiful"
1 Keep It Flying h. American Flag waving in the wind,
"Keep It Flying"
1 US Constitution Preamble v. <Preamble to the Constitution>

Elongates (People)-
1 Bob Wieland h. Man w/ arms out (t-shirt says 'Walk
For Hunger'), "Bob Weiland/2784 Miles/
Hands Across America"
1 George Burns h. Burns' face, "George Burns/Jan 20,
1996/100th Birthday"
1 Haden Powell Memorial v. Haden in uniform, "Feb. 22, 1857/
Jan. 5, 1941/Haden Powell"
1 James Dean v. Dean's face, "James Dean/1931-1955"
1 John Wayne - American v. Wayne's face, "John Wayne -
American/1907-1979"
2 Marilyn-Lucky Scent h. Nude, reclining Marilyn, "My Lucky
Scent/Marilyn Monroe"
1 Marilyn (Nude) v. Nude upper body of woman w/ arm
over head (Monroe?), "Marilyn"
1 Marilyn Monroe v. Marilyn's face, "Marilyn Monroe/
1926/1962"

Elongates (Philatelic)-
1 North Carolina - FDC v. 25c North Carolina Flower Stamp,
"First Day/Of Issue/August 22,/1989"
Elongates (Politics)-
1 Clinton 1/2 Cent v. Caricature of Clinton, "Clinton 1/2
Cent/In Hillary We Trust"
1 FDR 32nd President v. Bust of FDR, "Franklin D./Roosevelt
/32nd President/3 Terms/1933-1945/
1882-1945"
1 Hillary 1/2 Cent v. Caricature of Hillary Clinton,
"Hillary 1/2 Cent/In Government We
Trust"
6 P&PC-19a Kennedy Assassin h. "John F. Kennedy/Assassinated/Nov.
22nd 1963/Dallas-Texas/35th-President/
JR" {JR are mirrored initials of Ralph
Jones, the roller/designer}
1 Replublic - Helps Poor h. Elephant, "Support The Party That
Helps The Poor/Vote Republican"
1 Texas 1/2 Cent v. Caricature of Ann Richards, "Texas
1/2 Cent/In Ann We Trust"
1 Vote Dem h. Dinkey w/ blanket, "Vote
Democratic/DEM"
1 Vote Pendergrass Sherriff h. Star badge, "Vote For/Lindy
Pendergrass/Sheriff/Orange County"
Elongates (Religious)-
1 23rd Psalm v. <full text of Psalm 23>
1 Cross of Jerusalem Jerusalem Cross, "The Cross of
Jerusalem/Emblem of the Crusader
Kings"
1 Jesus Saves v. Scrollwork, "Jesus/Saves"
1 John Paul II - Korea v. Pope in profile, "Seoul/Korea/Pope/
John Paul II"
{Canadian Cent}
1 Justice For All v. Grim Reaper over an old fashioned
scale with a Harley on it, Christ's
face, "He/Is/Justice/For/All"
1 Praise The Lord v. "Praise The Lord"
1 Psalm 33:12 h. "Berea Acts 17:10-11/Blessed Is The
Nation/Whose God Is The Lord/And The
People Whom/He Hath Chosen For His/Own
Inheritance/Psalm 33:12"
1 RR Ten Commandments v. Text of 10 Commandments, last line
seperated: Exodus 20
1 Serenity Prayer 1 h. <text of Serenity Prayer>
1 Serenity Prayer 2 v. Text of Serenity prayer
1 Serenity Prayer - Sun v. Sun, <full text of Serenity Prayer>
1 SIMUL-13 -10 Commandments h. Ten Commandments on two tablets,
waffle reverse {Simulated Elongate}
1 Ten Commandments v. Text of Ten Commandments, "Exodus
20"
1 The Cross In My Pocket h. Shining Cross, "The Cross In My
Pocket/A Constant Reminder of My
Commitment To Christ/No Matter Where I
May Be"
Elongates (Ships)-
4 SHIPS-6 Old Ironsides h. Sailing Ship, "Old Ironsides/
Launched 1797"
1 S.S. Brazil h. Cruise ship, "805th T.D.-BN./S.S.
Brazil/19/92/Aug. 6, 1942/Convoy to
England"
Elongates (Society)-
1 Eagles (FOE) v. logo, "Eagles"
1 Eastern Star v. 5-pointed star w/ symbols in each
point and center, "Eastern/Star"
1 Elmina Braz Clowns v. Clown's face, "Elmina Temple/Braz/
Clowns/Galveston/Texas"
1 High Twelve International v. Logo, "High Twelve/International"
1 Knights of Columbus v. KoC logo, "Knights of Columbus"
1 Knights Templar-York Rite v. Cross thru Crown, Emblem of the
Blue Lodge, "York Rite/Knights
Templar"
1 Lions (World Wide) v. Lions logo, "World/Wide"
1 Masonite v. KoC/Mason's logo, "Masonite/For
Those Who Don't Know Which Road To
Take"
1 Masons-Blue Lodge v. Masonic emblems, "Blue Lodge"
1 Masons-Brotherly Love v. Masonic symbols, "Friendship/
Morality/Brotherly Love"
1 Masons-Flint Lodge #23 h. Masonic emblem, "Henry Jones, W.M.
/George/Bowden/S.W./Clyde/Lapish/J.W./
1994/Flint Lodge #23 Flint, Mich."
1 Masons-Garden Lodge v. Flowered wreath, Masons emblem,
"Garden Lodge/No. G41/A.F.&A.M-G.R.C.
/1987/Windsor, Canada"
1 Masons-hand v. Hand holding emblem of the Blue
Lodge, "F.&A.M."
1 Masons-Hillbilly Degree v. Man and woman each holding a crutch
over their head, Masonic symbols,
"Hillbilly Degree/Helps Crippled
Children/Honor/Respect"
1 Masons-Royal Arch Chapter v. Chapter logo, Emblem of the Blue
Lodge, "Royal Arch/Mason/Chapter"
1 Masons-Shrine h. Large Sword, Star, Emblem of the
Blue Lodge, "Shrine"
1 Masons-Symbols h. Various Masonic symbols and tools
1 Masons-Was Penniless h. Emblem of the Blue Lodge, "Once I
Was Also Penniless"
1 Order of the Amaranth v. Crown/Sword/Wreath logo, "Order of/
The/Amaranth"
2 Phylaxis Society h. Masonic symbols, "The Phylaxis
Society/10th Anniversary/A Prince Hall
Society for the Propagation of Light"
{Nickel}
1 Promise Keepers h. PK logo, "A Real Man/Is A Godly
Man/Promise Keeps"
1 Scottish Rite v. Ornate Cross logo, "Scottish/Rite/
K.C.C.H."
1 Scottish Rite-33rd Degree v. Dual Eagle logo, "Scottish Rite/
33rd/Degree"
1 Seaford Post 1132 v. AL logo, "Seaport/Post 1132/
American/Legion/785-9429"
1 Shriner Clown v. Jumping clown, Sword&Crescent logo,
"ISCA"
1 Smiling Shriner v. Happy face w/ fez, Emblem of the
Blue Lodge, "Smiling/Shriner"
1 UMWA Local 340 v. Crossed shovel & pick, "U.M.W.A.
Local 340 Ward/W.VA./Standing Proud
for 65 Years"
2 Veterans of Foriegn Wars v. VFW Logo, "Veterans/Of/Foreign/
Wars"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) New Trade List (4 of 5)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 00:02:54 -0700 (PDT)

Elongates (Souvenir)-
1 Alaska - Cricket v. Cricket, "Alaska"
1 Alaska - Deer v. Deer, "Alaska"
1 Alaska - Dolphin v. Dolphin, "Alaska"
1 Alaska - Dove v. Dove, "Alaska"
1 Alaska - Falcon v. Falcon, "Alaska"
1 Alaska - Goose h. Goose, "Alaska"
1 Alaska - Rodent v. Some type of rodent (groundhog?),
"Alaska"
1 Alaska - Salmon v. Salmon, "Alaska"
1 Alaska - Sloth(?) v. Some type of furry critter on large
tree branch, "Alaska"
1 Alaska - Weasel v. Weasel, "Alaska"
1 Arizona - Road Runner h. Road Runner, "Road/Runner/Arizona"
1 Boston Museum of Science h. Planets & Comets, "Boston/Museum
of Science"
1 CA-PGA-1 Vortex h. Concentric circles w/ coaster car
as tail, "Vortex/Great America"
{This machine was installed before
Paramount bought the park}
1 CA-PGA-2 Carousel h. Carousel Horse, "Paramount's/Great
America"
1 CA-PGA-3 Days of Thunder h. Race Car logo, "Days of/Thunder/
Paramount's/Great America"
1 CA-PGA-4 Fred Flintstone v. Fred Flintstone, "Paramount's/
Great/America"
{This machine was removed at the end
of the 1996 season. I have only a
couple left}
1 CA-PGA-5 Top Gun h. F-16 flying thru Top Gun 'wings'
logo, "Paramount's/Great America"
1 CA-PGA-6 Drop Zone logo h. "Drop/Zone/Stunt Tower/Paramount's/
Great America"
1 CA-PGA-7 Drop Zone tower v. Ride tower w/passengers, "The/Drop/
Zone/Stunt/Tower/Paramount's/Great
America"
1 CA-PGA-8 Dino v. Dino (from Flintstones),
"Paramount's/Great/America"
1 CA-SAC Delta King h. River Boat, "Old Sacramento
(Formerly: Old Sacramento California"
River Boat)
1 CA-SAC Old Town h. Train, Old Town buildings, Capitol,
(Formerly: Old Town "Old Town/Sacramento"
Sacramento)
1 CA-SAU-1 Suasalito h. Sea Lion, Bridge, Skyline,
(Formerly: Sausalito) "Sausalito/California"
1 CA-SCBB-2 Logo h. obv. Roller Coaster logo, "Santa
(Formerly: Santa Cruz Beach Cruz Beach/Boardwalk", rev. "Souvenir
Boardwalk) of the/Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk/
Santa Cruz/California"
1 CA-SF Fisherman's Wharf h. Fishing vessel tied up at wharf,
"Fisherman's Wharf/San Francisco"
1 CA-SF Musee Mechanique h. Large woman w/ small hat, "Musee
Mechanique/Laughing Sal/S.F./386-1170"
1 CA-SF Skyline h. Skyline and bridge, "San Francisco"
(Formerly: San Francisco
Skyline)
1 CA-SF Triple 1 h. GG Bridge, Cable Car, Pier w/ boat,
"Golden Gate Bridge/Cable Car/
Fisherman's Wharf"
1 CA-SF Triple 4 h. Captioned images of Golden Gate
(Formerly: San Francisco Bridge, Cable Car, Fisherman's Wharf
(Triple))
1 CA-SFA-2 Alcatraz h. Alcatraz Island, "Alcatraz/San
(Formerly: Alcatraz) Francisco"
1 CA-SFC Arch h. Chinese archway, "Chinatown"
(Formerly: SF Chinatown-Arch)
1 CA-SFC Dragon h. Chinese Dragon, "Chinatown/San
(Formerly: SF Chinatown- Francisco"
Dragon)
1 CA-SFC Temple v. Chinese Temple & Streetlight,
(Formerly: SF Chinatown) "Chinatown/San Francisco"
3 CA-SOLV-1 Mermaid v. Mermaid on rock, "Solvang/
California"
3 CA-SOLV-2 Windmill v. Windmill, "Solvang/California"
1 CA-WMH-1 Logo h. Logo, "Winchester/Mystery House/
(Formerly: Winchester San Jose, California"
Mystery House)
1 CA-WMH-2 Products Museum h. Flashlight, Bicycle, Hammer,
(Formerly: Winchester "Winchester Products Museum/San Jose,
Products Museum) California"
1 Cable Car h. Cable car next to lamppost, "San
Francisco"
1 Cable Car Museum h. Cable Car, "San Francisco/Cable Car
Museum"
2 Cable Car - Quarter h. Cable Car w/ conductor getting on,
"Cable Car" {Quarter}
1 Cannery Row Otter h. Otter on back, "Cannery/Row/
Monterey California"

3 Colorado Belle h. obv. River Boat, rev. "Colorado
Belle/Laughlin, NV"
1 Excalibur/Riding Knight h. Logo w/ sword thru "Excalibur",
Knight riding horse, "Hotel/Casino/Las
Vegas"
1 Excalibur/Knight's Helmet h. Logo w/ sword thru "Excalibur",
Knight's plumed helmet, "Hotel/Casino/
Las Vegas"
1 Golden Gate Bridge v. Bridge, "Golden Gate Bridge/San
Francisco"
{This machine was removed in either
April or May 1997}
3 Grand Slam Canyon-Vegas h. obv. Logo of mountain, "Grand/Slam/
Canyon/Adventuredome/Circus/Circus/
Hotel/Casino/Las Vegas", rev. Circus
tent, "Be A Kid Again!/Circus
Circus/Hotel Casino/Las Vegas"
1 Hayden Planetarium h. Satelite, "Hayden Planetarium/
Boston/Zeiss Projector/Museum of
Science"
1 Holy Nativity Church h. Church, "Memorial/Church/Of The/
Holy Trinity/1893/1993/100th
Anniversary/Rockledge, PA."
1 Mackerel Jack's h. Captain at wheel in rain gear,
"Cannery Row/Monterey, California"
1 MN-VF!-5 Excalibur h. Long sword, "Excalibur/ValleyFair!"
1 San Francisco (GG Bridge) h. Bridge, "San Francisco/Golden Gate
Bridge"
1 SF Golden Gate Bridge-h h. View of Bridge/Skyline from Marin,
"San Francisco"
{This machine was installed in either
April or May 1997}
1 SF Golden Gate Bridge-v v. View of Bridge from viewing area,
"San Francisco/Golden Gate Bridge"
{This machine was installed in either
April or May 1997}
1 SF - Japanese Tea Garden Japanese Arch, bridge & priest,
"Japanese Tea Garden/San Francisco"
1 Space Shuttle-6th Launch h. Shuttle w/ open bay doors, "The
Space Shuttle/1st/Flight/New/
Challenger/Space/Craft/6th Launch/
April 4th 1983"
1 The Cliff House h. Restaraunt w/ rocky beach, "The
Cliff House/San Francisco"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) New Trade List (5 of 5)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 00:03:49 -0700 (PDT)

Elongates (Sports)-
1 49ers Football h. Large football, NFL logo, "San
Francisco 49ers"
3 '75 Indy 500 h. Formula 1 Car, "Indy 500 Mile/19/75
/Classic"
1 Babe Ruth-Birth Centenial Babe Ruth w/ bat, "Babe Ruth/Sultan of
(Formerly: Babe Ruth) Swat/Centennial of Birth/1895-1995"
1 Capitols 20th Anniversary h. Capitols logo, "Washington Capitols
/20th Anniversary"
1 Dan Marino - 343 TDs h. Quarterback, "Dan Marino/Nov. 26
1995/343 Touch Downs/All-Time Record"
1 Dave Winfield-3000 Hits h. Batter, "Dave Winfield/Sept. 16
1993/3000 Hits"
1 Detroit Grand Prix h. Line drawings of car, buildings,
course, "19/83/Detroit Grand Prix"
1 Dwight Gooden-Cy Young h. Pitcher, "Dwight Gooden/METS/Cy
Young Pitcher of the Year"
1 Eddie Murray-3000 Hits h. Batter, "Eddie Murray/June 30 1995/
3000 Hits"
1 Fla. Panthers Inaugural v. Panther breaking hockey stick,
"1993-1994/Florida Panthers/Inagural
Year" {Inaugural is misspelled on
coin}
1 Great American Race h. Antique car, "Great American Race/
19/90/1915 Winton/Frank & David
Kleptz/Terre Haute, IN"
1 Hideo Nomo - RoY h. Pitcher, "Hideo Nomo/Nov. 9th 1995/
Rookie of the Year"
1 Ken Griffey, Jr.-#1 Draft h. Batter, "Ken Griffey Jr./June 1987/
#1 Draft Pick"
1 Michael Chang-French Open h. Tennis player, "Michael Chang/June
11 1989/Youngest Male Winner/Wins
French Open"
1 Mickey Mantle-536 HRs HOF h. Batter, "Mickey Mantle/Hall of Fame
1974/536 Home Runs"
1 Nolan Ryan - 6th No Hit h. Pitcher, "Nolan Ryan/6th No Hitter/
June 11 1990"
1 Nolan Ryan - 7th No Hit h. Pitcher, "Nolan Ryan/7th No Hitter/
May 1st 1991"
1 Nolan Ryan - 5000 Strikes h. Pitcher, "Nolan Ryan/5000 Strike
Outs/ Aug. 22 1989"
1 Oakland Raiders v. Logo, "NFL/Oakland Raiders/NFL"
1 Pete Rose - 4192 Hits h. Batter, "Pete Rose/4192 Hits/Sept.
11 1985"
1 Phil. Flyers-25th Anniv v. Flyers 'star' logo, "1967-68/
1991-92"
1 Pitt Panthers h. Panther, "Pitt Panthers/Pittsburgh,
PA"
1 Sprint Car h. car, "Sprint Car"
1 Stock Car h. car, "Stock Car"
1 Wayne Gretzky-1852 Pts. h. Batter, "Wayne Gretzky/Oct. 15,
1989/1852 Points/Hockey's Scoring
Leader" {Canadian Cent}
1 World Cup Italia 1990 h. Soccer Ball, "World Cup/Italia
1990" {Canadian Cent}
1 Yankees '78 Series h. Crossed Bats, Baseballs, "New York
Yankees Win/Diamond Jubilee Series/
1903/1978"

Elongates (Store Card)-
1 Brazzell-Met You-Davis h. "Good Luck Coin/From/Frank
Brazzell/1501 E. Davis Dr./Terre
Haute, IN 47802/812-235-6826/Nice
To Have Met You"
1 Fashion Cafe - Logo h. "Fashion/Cafe/Merry Go Round"
1 Harley Davidson - Logo h. HD logo
1 Luck 'E' Penny h. "Say It On A Luck 'E' Penny/William
C. Massey/(301)937-7732"
1 The Salado Peddler h. Horse-drawn peddler cart, "The
Salado Peddler/Salado, Texas"
2 Wagaman - Horseshoe h. Horseshoe lying horizontally w/
"Lucky Cent" on handle, "Elongated
Coins/Lloyd Wagaman/Route 1, Box
201-F/Camby, Ind 46113"
Elongates (TEC)-
1 Centennial of Elongateds h. Horse and Buggy, TEC Owl, Space
Shuttle, "Centennial of the Elongated/
1893/1993/A Century of 'Change'/From
Horse and Buggy to Space Shuttle"

Elongates (Train)-
1 Brookville Tunnel h. Engine coming out of tunnel, "Heavy/
Freight/Haulers/Brookeville Tunnel 28/
40 T-1s/Virginia/1938/Russell, KY to
Toledo, Ohio"
1 C.B. & Quincy R.R. h. Engine w/ coal car, "C.B. & Quincy
R.R./Class H-4 Mogul"
1 Canadian Pacific R.R. h. Engine w/ coal car, "Canadian
Pacific R.R./Class N-1 Columbia"
1 Grasshopper Engine h. Engine, "Grasshopper Engine/
Carillon Park"
1 Great Northern R.R. h. Engine, "Great Northern R.R./Class
T-1 Mallet"
1 Milford Tunnel v. Engine coming out of tunnel,
"Milford/Tunnel/Lima/Locomotive/Works/
A-1 Engine/1940s"
1 Santa Fe - Engine h. Engine, "Santa Fe R.R./Class A-1
American"
1 The Mogul Engine, "True American/The Mogul"

Elongates (World's Fair)-
10 ILL-CPIE-93 (1933) h. Angle view of skyride, "World's
Fair/Skyride/Chicago 1933"
6 N.Y-WF(1)-1 (1939) v. Trylon, Perisphere, "New York
World's Fair/The World of Tomorrow"
6 N.Y-WF(2)-3 '64 Monorail h. Monorail entering tunnel, "New York
World's Fair 1964-1965/Monorail Ride/
RJ" {RJ are initials of Ralph Jones,
the roller/designer}
10 N.Y-WF(2)-8 (1964) v. NY State Pavilion, "New York/19/
64/Worlds Fair"
2 WAS-SWF-3 I Was There 62 v. Space Needle, "I Was There/Space/
Needle/Seattle/1962"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine companies (Long but important!)
Date: 20 Jul 1997 23:07:49 -0700

Hi Gang,
As far as TEC membership goes: TEC has issued over 2112 membership
numbers--I'm not sure how many of those are still active (probably about
600). Howard Sharkey should know exact numbers.

Concerning info from the machine makers: Give it up! They are not
about to devulge anything... I think it's because of tax reasons--the
don't want Uncle Sam to know how much they're REALLY making.

--Willy

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> > I hope we can get more locations, and information from these companies.
> > It will greatly aid us in collecting/trading AND it will help them in
> > their revenue streams!
>
> This seems like a prefect (and very necessary) project for this
> list to take on. Perhaps one (or more) of you that attend the ANA
> convention can talk this up with TEC people there. We've got the power
> of The Elongated Coin Mailing List (about 30 members), TEC (hundreds of
> members), and an institution (The Squished Penny Museum) behind us.
> Let's put some (friendly) pressure on these companies. The way I see it
> these are the things we need to do to have the greatest chance of success:
>
> 1) Compile a list of company addresses.
>
> The San Francisco Penny Machine Company can be reached at:
>
> Tom BuBois
> San Francisco Penny Machine Company
> 115 Fair Ave.
> Petaluma, CA 94952
>
> Phone: (707) 763-8583
>
> Eurolink can be reached at:
>
> Eurolink
> 930 Huber Street, Suite H
> Grover Beach, CA 93433
>
> Phone: (805) 481-4507
> FAX: (805) 481-4512
> E-Mail: EurolinkCA@aol.com
> (A contact name is always helpful if anyone has one)
>
> I had never heard of the Aloha Penny Company unti Bert just
> mentioned them. If you have ANY contact information on other machine
> companies please post it to the list. Another company is called Uncommon
> Sense.
> Where do you get this info? Well, sometimes it's on the machines
> themselves. You can ask a clerk at the store for the information. They
> usually have a business card or at least a number to call if the machine
> breaks. Or you can write to the attraction that hosts the machines. I
> have found that tourist spots, amusement parks and zoos all respond
> quickly and thoroughly to any queries they receive.
>
> 2) Decide what it is we need to know.
>
> Most key is a list of machine locations. I would also like to know
> things like what "signatures" are on their coins (and when they started
> using them), what happens to machine signage when a machine is removed.
> Do they have records of where machines USED to be.
>
> 3) Start contacting them and asking for either answers to these
> questions or to have a representative that can communicate with our
> representative (or the list directly).
> My activist days taught me that if a matter is not of extreme
> urgency, snail mail is the best way to get a message across. Large
> numbers of phone calls quickly cause an annoyance and e-mail can be
> deleted too easily. This isn't to say that these methods should not be
> used, simply that they should always be followed up by a traditional letter.
> Also, numbers count. Does anyone know how many members TEC has?
> If we can inform them that we represent an organization of x number of
> members it will probably pull more weight. If no one posts membership
> numbers before ANA could someone please inquire at the TEC meeting?
>
> 4) Create a form letter.
>
> While personal letters hold SLIGHTLY more weight than
> form letters, both work well. These letters should be no more than one
> page and cover salient points: who we are and what we want. It is
> important for people to include their TEC numbers and mention the list
> in their communication.
> Anyone care to write a form letter and post it to the list? If we can run off some
> copies of such a letter (one for each company whose address we get) and
> have them available at the TEC table at ANA this would be great!
>
> 5) Get more people involved.
>
> This is mainly up to the convention goers. When you talk to
> people at cons about elongates, bring the topic up.
>
> Okay, this is getting really long, so I'm going to cut it here.
> This should get those thoughts flowing. Your input is both welcome and
> important.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
> List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine companies (Long but important!)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 08:37:13 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Concerning info from the machine makers: Give it up! They are not

I don't give up anything easily 8-)

> about to devulge anything... I think it's because of tax reasons--the
> don't want Uncle Sam to know how much they're REALLY making.

If this is their reason, then they have no clue how the IRS
works! First off, we're not asking anything about revenue. Second, I'm
sure they keep track of where their machines are, otherwise they have NO
revenue! If the IRS audits 'em then they'll check ALL the records. So,
This excuse is not nearly good enough for me.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Alan KITA <alkita@earthlink.net>
Subject: (elongates) Location keepers
Date: 21 Jul 1997 13:46:32 -0800

OK, this is my first posting after lurking for about two weeks. For
years it never occured to me to keep track of these "smashed" pennies.
I'd give them to kids, especially my little daughter, who has placed her
collection of elongated pennies "God knows where." But after noticing
the high number of such machines at Disneyland, I've been taking note of
the pennies and I'm busy searching through all thr drawers in the house
looking for all these pennies.

One of the things we do on vacation is visiting zoos, and most zoos have
these pennies, so we got pennies from such places as Cheyenne Mountain
Park Zoo in Colorado Springs and the Honolulu Zoo. The Empire State
Building is the most costliest and is pressed by hand.

I read somewhere that storing these pennies in slide holders is the
best, since some of these pages have places where you can write.

Can somebody tell me if any of the "location keepers" have sites or a
list they can email me? I have the URL for David Tomita's Disneyland
Pennies. (We do have quite an assortment of elongated coins from that
place.) That is a good list, although they keep changing locations.

Now, I will keep track of each location.

Alan Kita
Torrance, California

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From: owner-elongates@xmission.com
Date: 21 Jul 1997 15:32:51 -0600

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine companies (Long but important!)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 20:15:07 -0700

>
> On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:
>
> > Concerning info from the machine makers: Give it up!
Chris Aahz wrote:
> I don't give up anything easily 8-)

> If this is their reason, then they have no clue how the IRS
> works! First off, we're not asking anything about revenue. Second, I'm
> sure they keep track of where their machines are, otherwise they have NO
> revenue! If the IRS audits 'em then they'll check ALL the records. So,
> This excuse is not nearly good enough for me.

Believe me, I totally agree! That would be a lame excuse, but it was
all that I could think of. It is beyond my comprehension why these
folks wouldn't want the world to know where to find their products!!!!
This is exactly why I took it upon myself to start the Hitchhiker's
Guide to Elongated Coins, and DO NOT make mention of any particular
manufacturer's name!

This topic ties into another important issue that has been on my mind:

There are now a few different Elongated Coin Machine Locators on the
Web.
As well as new machine findings being posted on this Mailing List.
As many of you know, I am presently a candidate for TEC President
(election to be held at the TEC meeting in conjunction with the ANA
convention, on August first).
If I am fortunate to be elected, I will have the power to create the
master EC locator on TEC's own official web site (to be hosted by the
ANA). This locator will have a form to fill out for all new finds,
which will help make updating a snap :) I sincerely hope that we can
ALL pool together, setting egos aside (myself included), and create THE
ULTIMATE ELONGATED COIN WEBSITE. This would free up our individual
website's precious space by eliminating what we consider "common
knowledge" information (aren't links the greatest).

This may all seem a bit premature, but if the ball does land in my
hands... I want to be ready to run with it! All those (Internet active
TEC members)interested in being part of a subcommittee for this project,
please email me DIRECTLY.

Even if I do not win the election, This is a MUST DO project for TEC.
So please consider this "Food for Thought".

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Location keepers
Date: 21 Jul 1997 20:31:12 -0700 (PDT)

On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Alan KITA wrote:

> OK, this is my first posting after lurking for about two weeks. For

Welcome aboard Alan. You've taken the first step towards
obsession 8-)

> Park Zoo in Colorado Springs and the Honolulu Zoo. The Empire State
> Building is the most costliest and is pressed by hand.

What are they charging at the Empire State Building?

> I read somewhere that storing these pennies in slide holders is the
> best, since some of these pages have places where you can write.

I'm not really sure what you mean by "slide holders". I use
cardboard 2x2s that I order through TEC. I keep my trade stock in boxes
and put my collection in plastic binder sheets that have 20 slots per
page. The 2x2s give you plenty of surface area to write on.

> Can somebody tell me if any of the "location keepers" have sites or a
> list they can email me? I have the URL for David Tomita's Disneyland

Well, let's see what I can do here:

Hitchhiker's Guide to Elongated Coins (a TEC project sponsored by
Willy Massey and Luck 'E' Penny):

http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

The Smashed Coin Locator (hosted by Bert Creighton):

http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html

The WDW Penny Locator (maintained by Kenny Cottrell):

http://www.wdn.com/dwills/penny.htm

And, of course, David Tomita's NEW home page:

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/3599

> Now, I will keep track of each location.

Wonderful! When you see a 'new' machine you can either post it
directly to the list or send it off to these Location Keepers. I usually
post it directly to the list as both Bert and Willy are subscribers, and
it's simply easier. Besides, the list gets it into peoples hands right
away, whereas the pages need to be updated. Don't get me wrong, I think the
pages are fantastic! They keep me from having to keep track of this stuff
myself 8-)

Also, while you're surfing, check out ...'s The Penny
Page at:

http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/

I think that's everyone with a page. If I missed any, I'm sure
someone will post it (PLEASE)

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: ... <...>
Subject: (elongates) Hey everyone! I'm back!
Date: 21 Jul 1997 22:41:18 -0500

It's been a long couple of weeks! My e-mail was down and just when I =
thought it was fixed, I went on vacation. I thought everything was =
working fine, but when I got home there was not even ONE message for me. =
That's when I knew there was a BIG problem. But...now I'm all set to go!
Anyone trying to get a hold of me to trade can e-mail me now.
Please let me know if I missed anything in the club.
Anyone new to the club can e-mail me for my list of trades, and don't =
forget to check out my home page: =
http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage
I'm so glad to be home. The only coin I got on my vacation was from =
Niagara Falls and I have a few to trade.
Thanks!

...
trueWeb Design
...
http://www.truewebdesign.com

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine companies (Long but important!)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 20:50:53 -0700 (PDT)

On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> > On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:
> >
> > > Concerning info from the machine makers: Give it up!

> Chris Aahz wrote:
> > I don't give up anything easily 8-)
>
> > If this is their reason, then they have no clue how the IRS

> Believe me, I totally agree! That would be a lame excuse, but it was
> all that I could think of. It is beyond my comprehension why these
> folks wouldn't want the world to know where to find their products!!!!
> This is exactly why I took it upon myself to start the Hitchhiker's
> Guide to Elongated Coins, and DO NOT make mention of any particular
> manufacturer's name!

It's also why so many of us believe it to be an idea whose time
has come. Getting the info direct from the companies will only make the
Guide that much more useful to people. Obviously, not everyone's going
to be able to write off for a copy of the companies lists even if they
WERE readily available. However, if there's ONE place, or ONE book, or
whatever that contains all the info, they'll go for that. I support the
Guide 150%!

> As many of you know, I am presently a candidate for TEC President
> (election to be held at the TEC meeting in conjunction with the ANA
> convention, on August first).

Ya know, I THOUGHT this was the case, but there has not been a
single mention of the election in TEC News. Why is this? Aren't ALL
members supposed to have the opportunity to vote, wether they're at the
meeting or not? Well, you would've had my vote, but since I never got a
ballot I'm just going to cast my vote here:

_____
I I
I X I William C. Massey - TEC president.
I---I

> If I am fortunate to be elected, I will have the power to create the
> master EC locator on TEC's own official web site (to be hosted by the
> ANA). This locator will have a form to fill out for all new finds,
> which will help make updating a snap :)

This web site idea is a MUST have! I strongly encourage anyone
attending the TEC meeting to talk this up, vote for it, whatever.
The form idea is a great one. Would this automatically (and immediately)
update the Locator?

> I sincerely hope that we can
> ALL pool together, setting egos aside (myself included), and create THE
> ULTIMATE ELONGATED COIN WEBSITE. This would free up our individual
> website's precious space by eliminating what we consider "common
> knowledge" information (aren't links the greatest).
>
I wasn't aware of any ego trips going on here 8-( I post my
machine "finds" to the list for two simple reasons: 1) Instant transfer
of information to all interested parties, and 2) It's a lot simpler to
post to the list then to each individual who is keeping a Locator page.

The more Elongated pages the merrier in my opinion. And that
goes for locators as well. Different people will "stumble across" different
pages. The more that exist, the easier it is for people to find them.
Each person maintaining such a page would certainly benefit by sharing
info with the others. I created this mailing list to be just such a
forum. I hope it continues to be of use.


Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hey everyone! I'm back!
Date: 21 Jul 1997 21:10:28 -0700

Kathy,

Welcome Back! When you get a free cycle, could you send us the location
of the Niagara Falls machine... Hmm, I seem to remember an old 3 Stooges
routine that had to do with Niagara Falls (sloooooowly I turned, step by
step...8-)

Things you'll want to catch up on are" 1) Steelies (they're OK in
Eurolink machines, watch out for machines with magnetic catchers that
will remove ferrous coins), 2) Big Al in Florida getting complete
DisneyWorld sets for (is it?) 5 of us... 3) a 1st meeting of this list at
Disneyland to trade coins/stories and smash some new coins, 4) working on
the San Francisco and Aloha Penny Machine companies to answer our
requests for locations/information and 5) counterstamping coins (and then
smashing them). I may have left out a few topics, but those are the main
ones...

Glad you're back. For all those new to the list, I encourage you to check
out Kathy's web site.

Bert

On 7/21/97 8:41 PM ... (... ) wrote

>The only coin I got on my vacation was from Niagara Falls and I have a few
>to trade

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Location Keeper Update
Date: 21 Jul 1997 21:30:56 -0700

Greetings All,

Welcome to Alan Kita, glad you joined the list! If we can help in any way
just ask. I want to thank Alan for the machine locations. I will get them
up on my pages soon.

A brief update... I have added/updated the following new pages:

1) New Las Vegas Page:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/Las_Vegas.html

2) New Laughlin (Nevada) Page:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/Laughlin.html

3) New Barstow Page:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/Barstow.html
(need some details on this one...)

4) New Pizmo Beach Page:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/Pizmo_Beach.html

5) New Connecticut Page:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/Connecticut.html

6) Updated Fort Worth Page:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/Texas.html

In the last 60 days, I have added major updates to the California and
Hawaii pages. Still to come: Colorado, New York and several other states.
The easiest way to navigate around is to start at the Smashed Coin
Locator page:

<http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html
>

Thanks to everyone for posting locations to me and to the list!

bc

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: (elongates) Machine companies (Now even Longer, but important!)
Date: 22 Jul 1997 01:30:56 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:
>
> > > On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:
> > >
> > > > Concerning info from the machine makers: Give it up!
>
> > Chris Aahz wrote:
> > > I don't give up anything easily 8-)
> >
> > > If this is their reason, then they have no clue how the IRS
>
> > Believe me, I totally agree! That would be a lame excuse, but it was
> > all that I could think of. It is beyond my comprehension why these
> > folks wouldn't want the world to know where to find their products!!!!
> > This is exactly why I took it upon myself to start the Hitchhiker's
> > Guide to Elongated Coins, and DO NOT make mention of any particular
> > manufacturer's name!
>
> It's also why so many of us believe it to be an idea whose time
> has come. Getting the info direct from the companies will only make the
> Guide that much more useful to people. Obviously, not everyone's going
> to be able to write off for a copy of the companies lists even if they
> WERE readily available. However, if there's ONE place, or ONE book, or
> whatever that contains all the info, they'll go for that. I support the
> Guide 150%!

When I firt announced that I would take on the task of compiling the
guide, in a TEC newsletter article, Both Coin World and the Numismatic
News published my article without solicitation. I then sent copies of
the articles along with requests for machine locations to all of the
major rolling machine producers.... none of which responded. I followed
up with phone calls which were met with unpleasant resistance... I have
tried! So, More power to you... I wish you better luck.

>
> > As many of you know, I am presently a candidate for TEC President
> > (election to be held at the TEC meeting in conjunction with the ANA
> > convention, on August first).
>
> Ya know, I THOUGHT this was the case, but there has not been a
> single mention of the election in TEC News. Why is this?

It seems like the last couple of issues have been a bit slow getting to
press. Corey Wylde is doing it ALL by himself! I'm sure he's doing the
best that he can.

> Aren't ALL
> members supposed to have the opportunity to vote, wether they're at the
> meeting or not?

Unfortunatly, not at this time... Only members present at the meeting
may vote. Perhaps this is something which should be ammended?

> > If I am fortunate to be elected, I will have the power to create the
> > master EC locator on TEC's own official web site (to be hosted by the
> > ANA). This locator will have a form to fill out for all new finds,
> > which will help make updating a snap :)
>
> Would this automatically (and immediately)
> update the Locator?

That's the plan! I have my Webmaster Guru looking into it right now!
We are going to try it out on my HHG... With my bad back, I've had a
rough time updating lately (this, combined with the scattered bits of
information that some folks send, slows the process even further).

>
> > I sincerely hope that we can
> > ALL pool together, setting egos aside (myself included), and create THE
> > ULTIMATE ELONGATED COIN LOCATOR. This would free up our individual
> > website's precious space by eliminating what we consider "common
> > knowledge" information (aren't links the greatest).
> >
> I wasn't aware of any ego trips going on here 8-(

Nor am I... I was refering to the fact that all of the people
responsable for thier Internet EC Locators should certainly be proud of
their efforts and the joy that they have brought to so many of us
collectors. And I'm just hoping that we can pool together for the
greater good, by sharing all the information.

I post my
> machine "finds" to the list for two simple reasons: 1) Instant transfer
> of information to all interested parties, and 2) It's a lot simpler to
> post to the list then to each individual who is keeping a Locator page.

Yes! This is what I'm talking about.... Share the knowledge!


> The more Elongated pages the merrier in my opinion.

I couldn't agree more!

> And that
> goes for locators as well.

That may well be for now... But in my opinion, it WOULD be a lot of
wasted effort if there WAS one ultimate directory that ALL EC related
web pages pointed to that listed EC machine locations. I, for one,
would like to use my time and webspace for information that can't be
found elsewhere, and not for posting machine locations that should be
posted by the manufacturers themselves.

Different people will "stumble across" different
> pages. The more that exist, the easier it is for people to find them.
> Each person maintaining such a page would certainly benefit by sharing
> info with the others. I created this mailing list to be just such a
> forum. I hope it continues to be of use.

I see your mailing list as PRICELESS! Along with Kathy's message board,
this forum has proven an absolute joy for me personally.

--Willy

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine companies (Now much shorter!)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 22:31:38 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> When I firt announced that I would take on the task of compiling the
> guide, in a TEC newsletter article, Both Coin World and the Numismatic
> News published my article without solicitation. I then sent copies of
> the articles along with requests for machine locations to all of the
> major rolling machine producers.... none of which responded. I followed
> up with phone calls which were met with unpleasant resistance... I have
> tried! So, More power to you... I wish you better luck.
>

Well, we shall try. Do you have any company addresses that I
did not list in my 'mega-message'?

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Location keepers
Date: 22 Jul 1997 01:41:32 -0700

> On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Alan KITA wrote:
>
> > Can somebody tell me if any of the "location keepers" have sites or a
> > list they can email me? I have the URL for David Tomita's Disneyland

Chris Aahz wrote:
> Well, let's see what I can do here:
>
> Hitchhiker's Guide to Elongated Coins (a TEC project sponsored by
> Willy Massey and Luck 'E' Penny):

Willy writes:
This is not exactly true. My HHG has NO official affiliation with TEC!
Although, I do hope to turn the project over to TEC as soon as their
Official Website is up and running.

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine companies (Now much shorter!)
Date: 22 Jul 1997 01:52:57 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:
>
> > When I firt announced that I would take on the task of compiling the
> > guide, in a TEC newsletter article, Both Coin World and the Numismatic
> > News published my article without solicitation. I then sent copies of
> > the articles along with requests for machine locations to all of the
> > major rolling machine producers.... none of which responded. I followed
> > up with phone calls which were met with unpleasant resistance... I have
> > tried! So, More power to you... I wish you better luck.
> >
>
> Well, we shall try. Do you have any company addresses that I
> did not list in my 'mega-message'?
>
> Peace,
>

Did you mention "Copper Memories" from Virgina Beach, VA... they are a
biggie.
Howard Sharkey has more complete list than I. Unfortunatly, I've been
pumped up on pain pills for the past two weeks (I got rearended by a
trash truck, AGAIN!) and can't really dig around my files at this time.
Seems like most of my couscous hours have been swallowed up replying to
email and trying to get orders out on time.

--Willy

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Upcoming TEC elections
Date: 21 Jul 1997 22:59:42 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> > > As many of you know, I am presently a candidate for TEC President
> > > (election to be held at the TEC meeting in conjunction with the ANA
> > > convention, on August first).
> >
> > Ya know, I THOUGHT this was the case, but there has not been a
> > single mention of the election in TEC News. Why is this?
>
> It seems like the last couple of issues have been a bit slow getting to
> press. Corey Wylde is doing it ALL by himself! I'm sure he's doing the
> best that he can.
>

My comments were not in any way meant to slight Corey. This is
the first election year I have been a member, so did not know when these
things were brought up. I think Corey is doing a great job as Editor!
(And no, I'm not kissing up. He's not a list subscriber so won't even see
this.)

> > Aren't ALL
> > members supposed to have the opportunity to vote, wether they're at the
> > meeting or not?
>
> Unfortunatly, not at this time... Only members present at the meeting
> may vote. Perhaps this is something which should be ammended?
>

Okay, this just didn't jibe with my memory si I pulled out my
copy of the "Constitution and By-Laws". I'm cc-ing this to Rocky as well
in hopes of some clarification from the Board.

From 'The Elongated Collectors Constitution and By-Laws':

ARTICLE III

Officers, Governors, Governing Board

SECTION 2. The President, in 1971 and in each odd numbered year
thereafter, shall issue a call for nominations of officers and governors
in the last issue of the official publication of the society published
prior to March 1. All nominations...

I have each copy of TEC News sinceFall 1996 (Volume 31, No. 4)
and have seen no such call. Apparently nominations occured, I just wish
I knew when (and how) this occured.

Back to the 'C&B-L':

SECTION 4. The Secretary shall cause the names of all such
nominees who have so accepted to be printed on official ballots and shall
cause one of such ballots to be mailed (At least 40 days prior to the
elction year membership meeting) to each member in good standing,
together with an envelope marked "Official Ballot" and addressed to the
Secretary. Each envelope shall bear a different number, but the numbers
selected shall be within the sole discretion of the Secretary. All Life
and Regular Members in good standing shall have the right to vote.
Honorary members do not have voting rights and may not hold an
elective office. Voting shall be by mail only. Each voting member shall
insert his ballot in said numbered envelope, apply postage, seal and mail
the same. Such envelope must be postmarked at least twenty days prior to
the date of the election year membership meeting in orderfor the ballot
therein to be counted. The Secretary shall retain all sealed ballots
unopened and, on the first day of the convention, shall deliver said
ballots and a list of the envelope numbers selected to an election
committee to be appointed by the President.

Okay, there's more, but I believe I got the most relevant parts.
All of this leads me to one question: When did this change?!? I do not
have a dispute with the number of required days, etc. I understand that
we all have lives outside TEC and sometimes things don't get done on
time. But if only people present at the meeting get to vote, then we'vew
basically thrown democracy out the window and may as well scrap the
entire Constitution and By-Laws.
If the Constitution was amended at the last meeting, then this is
all pointless and I apologize. But I doubt that to be the case. I just
want to know what happened. Actually that's not all I want. I also want
o get to cast my vote!

Peace,

Aahz
ps. 'The Elongated Collectors Constitution and By-Laws' is most likely
copyrighted by TEC. The substantial quoting here is not meant as a
challenge to that copyright.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Location keepers
Date: 21 Jul 1997 23:01:39 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Chris Aahz wrote:
> > Well, let's see what I can do here:
> >
> > Hitchhiker's Guide to Elongated Coins (a TEC project sponsored by
> > Willy Massey and Luck 'E' Penny):

> Willy writes:
> This is not exactly true. My HHG has NO official affiliation with TEC!
> Although, I do hope to turn the project over to TEC as soon as their
> Official Website is up and running.

ACK! Once again I've managed to put my foot in my keyboard.
Sorry Willy. I REALLY need to start checking facts before my fingers
start talking.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine companies (Now much shorter!)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 23:06:37 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Chris Aahz wrote:

> > Well, we shall try. Do you have any company addresses that I
> > did not list in my 'mega-message'?
> >
> > Peace,
> >
>
> Did you mention "Copper Memories" from Virgina Beach, VA... they are a
> biggie.

Nope. Never heard of 'em.

> Howard Sharkey has more complete list than I.

Looks like I'll have to send off a letter to Howard, then. Ya
know, I want to win the lottery just so I can buy computers for everyone
I have contact with that ISN'T online!!

> (I got rearended by a trash truck, AGAIN!)

Perhaps your car looks a little too much like a big gren dumpster 8-)

Sorry, had to be said. I hope you feel better soon Willy.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Upcoming TEC elections
Date: 22 Jul 1997 02:20:02 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:

> If the Constitution was amended at the last meeting, then this is
> all pointless and I apologize. But I doubt that to be the case. I just
> want to know what happened. Actually that's not all I want. I also want
> o get to cast my vote!
>

Actually, the reason for this rush election is because the current TEC
president is very ill and recently announced that he could not fullfill
his duties for the last year of his term (which was to start Aug 1). Ray
Dillard (TEC's last Pres, and current V.P.) is not able to step up. For
this reason, the board nominated a couple of us to fill in in a pinch.
Usually we do have mail ballots where all members vote.... please excuse
me for not remembering the details when you first asked... I am in
pretty rough shape at the moment.
--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Upcoming TEC elections
Date: 21 Jul 1997 23:17:43 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> > If the Constitution was amended at the last meeting, then this is
> > all pointless and I apologize. But I doubt that to be the case. I just
> > want to know what happened. Actually that's not all I want. I also want
> > o get to cast my vote!
> >
>
> Actually, the reason for this rush election is because the current TEC
> president is very ill and recently announced that he could not fullfill
> his duties for the last year of his term (which was to start Aug 1). Ray
> Dillard (TEC's last Pres, and current V.P.) is not able to step up. For
> this reason, the board nominated a couple of us to fill in in a pinch.
> Usually we do have mail ballots where all members vote.... please excuse
> me for not remembering the details when you first asked... I am in
> pretty rough shape at the moment.
> --

Okay, that's a good reason. I am sorry to hear about Gus. This
is all the more reason, however, to get TEC online. Then this info could
be distributed to ALL the members in a timely fashion. I hope this will
be mentioned in the upcoming TEC News. The reason my .sig shows me as an
'exCoinmaster' is because the officers kept changing the club without
mentioning (much less discussing) thing with the members. So far, TEC
has been wonderful, I just have a fear (bordering paranoia) of "Old Boys'
Clubs".

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) ANA Convention trade requests
Date: 21 Jul 1997 23:35:04 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Yeah, yeah, I know the list has had PLENTY of traffic tonight,
but I intended to send this message before all the hullabaloo broke out.

If memory serves (and it probably doesn't) there are four
subscribers attending the ANA Convention in NY at the end of the month.
This is an open plea to all of you. It has been mentioned that many
booths will be giving away freebie coins (including elongates). These
elongates will generally fall into two of my primary collecting areas:
Store Cards and Coin Clubs/Shows. I will be unable to attend but am VERY
interested in receiveng samples of these coins. Your assistance would be
appreciated. If you're going to the con and see some stuff on my list
that interests you, just let me know and I'll hold it for you until you
get back from ANA.

Also, I previously sent out a request for someone to collect the
world coins and have them rolled with the show design. I have not
received any offers on assistance on this. I will gladly pay the
purchase price of the Passport you must buy, plus give trade value
against my list in return for your time in collecting the coins. Plus,
you can go back and re-collect all of the coins for yourself for free! I
REALLY want this set. It's a VERY cool idea. Also, I'll have Disney
sets available for trade in Sept. as well as any other California
elongates I cna pick up in two days of searching between San Francisco
and LA. So, if you don't see something on my list, there are some more
possibilities.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Pete Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com>
Subject: (elongates) Letter writing campaign idea
Date: 22 Jul 1997 08:28:00 PDT

The SPM is more than willing to support Aahz's venture and will equip any
penny-hunter with free postcards. Just drop me a line with your snail mail
address.

I just had a brilliant idea. If any of you are unaware of it Pete
Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com> is the co-founder/operator of The
Squished Penny Museum in Washington D.C. as well as a list subscriber
(and all around nice guy 8-). Each time I have traded with Pete he has
included some beautiful postcards advertising the SPM.

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA Convention trade requests
Date: 22 Jul 1997 07:21:19 -0700

Greetings,

On 7/21/97 11:35 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>
> Also, I previously sent out a request for someone to collect the
>world coins and have them rolled with the show desi

Without turning this into to much effort... I too would be happy to pay
the price and offer some trades for the free coins and world coins.

Bert

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: (elongates) The NY convention
Date: 22 Jul 1997 10:21:20 -0400

Hmmm...so I just found out the wedding is the following weekend. My wife
and I are debating on coming to the convention. However, I don't think
I could make it there before Saturday -- have to work on Friday.

Will there still be people & coins there? Or, will I be really missing
stuff by not going on Friday?

- Jeff

P.S. Has anyone talked with Big Al recently? I want to get the price and
people firmed up. That way have him start rolling the WDW coins. :)

P.S.S. If I owe you coins - please send me a reminder e-mail. I haven't
been able to find my trade coin case since the move -- but should have the
remaining boxes unpacked this week.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Alan KITA <alkita@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Location keepers
Date: 22 Jul 1997 09:17:08 -0800

Thanks Chris for the information....

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Alan KITA wrote:
>
> > Park Zoo in Colorado Springs and the Honolulu Zoo. The Empire State
> > Building is the most costliest and is pressed by hand.
>
> What are they charging at the Empire State Building?
>
This was about three years ago and they wanted $2.00 each for someone to
hand crank the machine to produce the penny. Oh, (heh,heh) they provide
you with the penny!

ciao, Alan

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) TEC online
Date: 22 Jul 1997 13:24:00 -0400 (EDT)

Hi;

Just wondering, are the notes we write archived? I know that the
rec.collecitng.coins etc. are. If they were in an archive, it would be a
simple thing to retrieve them by keyword.

-Bob

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: (elongates) ANA Convention
Date: 22 Jul 1997 14:48:39 -0400

Not that I'm totally ignorant but...

When and where is the NY ANA conventions, what are the world coins, what is the
passport. etc. etc. It all sounds like fun but WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Thanks tons.

Ben

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: (elongates) ANA Convention
Date: 22 Jul 1997 14:46:07 -0400

At the risk of sounding like an ignoramous...

When and where is the NY ANA convention?

Forgive my ignorance.

Thanks.

Ben

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From: Pete Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com>
Subject: (elongates) The NY convention
Date: 22 Jul 1997 16:24:00 PDT

Jeff-
If it's any help, I'll be at the convention for part of Saturday.

-Pete

Will there still be people & coins there? Or, will I be really missing
stuff by not going on Friday?

Jeff

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hey everyone! I'm back!
Date: 21 Jul 1997 21:19:04 -0700 (PDT)

On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Kathy,
>
> Welcome Back!

Yes, welcome back. Not only was your input missed, but I'm just
glad I no longer have to delete the error message generated by EVERY post
to the list 8-)

> 2) Big Al in Florida getting complete DisneyWorld sets for (is it?) 5 of us...

I thought it was six. And I believe the price is down to around
$154 (for all 201 WDW pennies). This is Jeff's project, and I believe
he's on vacation this week.

> 3) a 1st meeting of this list at Disneyland to trade coins/stories and
smash some new coins,

I don't remember the last date I posted! ARRRGGHH!!! So, I'm
posting the date now:

The first meeting of The Elongated Coin Mailing List will be at
Disneyland on Sunday, Sept. 7th. Specifics supplied as the date
approaches.

> 4) working on the San Francisco and Aloha Penny Machine companies to
> answer our requests for locations/information and

This is a new project that I've only received one comment about
(and that one negative). I feel this is important, do Bert and I stand
alone here?

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) List archives
Date: 22 Jul 1997 16:58:19 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> Just wondering, are the notes we write archived? I know that the
> rec.collecitng.coins etc. are. If they were in an archive, it would be a
> simple thing to retrieve them by keyword.

Well, the simple answer is: yes, the list is archived.

The not-so-simple answer is: I know nothing about how majordomo
(the list software) works. When I completed the form to create the list
I was given the option of having the list archived. I selected this
option as I thought it would be a good idea. However, I have NO idea how
to access this archive. If anyone out there has such knowledge, input
would be appreciated.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA Convention
Date: 22 Jul 1997 17:09:06 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:

> When and where is the NY ANA conventions, what are the world coins, what is the
> passport. etc. etc. It all sounds like fun but WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

The ANA Convention will be held at the Marriott-Marquis in NYC
from July 30th to Aug. 3rd.

Part of the convention something called 'Mint Mile' or something
similar. This is where all of the mints from around the world have
booths to show off their latest goods. You can buy something called a
'Passport' that has a page for each country represented at Mint Mile with
a space for its coin.

What I was talking about was that previously, here on the list,
someone had mentioned the idea of buying a Passport, collecting all of
the coins from Mint Mile, and then taking them to the TEC booth and
having the show logo rolled on them. This leaves your passport empty and
you can go back to each mint and recollect the free coins.

This sounds like a REALLY cool set to me. I will be unable to
attend the show (I live in CA) and was begging for someone to collect
such a set for me.

Hope this clears things up.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) To: Elongates Mail List <elongates@xmission.com>
Date: 22 Jul 1997 18:36:22 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

I recently realized that the ISP that hosts this list
(xmission.com) also gives me a web page. Unfortunately, I have ZERO
knowledge of html. Also, I use a REALLy old computer (a 286) that can't
handle the necessary software to design pages. What I would like is a
very simple page that would allow people to sobscribe/onsobscribe to the
mailing list, access the list archives, and provide links to other
elongate related pages. Anyone out there care to donate some time and
knowlede to this project?

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: "tink!!!" <dvlgrl66hatesspam@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) To: Elongates Mail List <elongates@xmission.com>
Date: 22 Jul 1997 18:47:18 -0700

i can help with design and links and such, but i'm not sure how to go
about setting up the clickable signup deal.

-nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) To: Elongates Mail List <elongates@xmission.com>
Date: 22 Jul 1997 19:00:02 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, tink!!! wrote:

> i can help with design and links and such, but i'm not sure how to go
> about setting up the clickable signup deal.

Well, I don't know how it's done, but I do know WHERE its been done:

http://www.xmission.com/~doswald/sailing/listsub.html

Perhaps you can figure it out by examining the above page.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) The NY convention
Date: 23 Jul 1997 00:52:46 -0700

Jeff Dixon wrote:

> Will there still be people & coins there [ANA]? Or, will I be really missing
> stuff by not going on Friday?
>
> - Jeff

Ray Dillard will still be there on Saturday running the TEC booth! Ray
has an awsome collection of "oldies" that he brings to the shows... even
if you can't afford to buy them all, they are wonderful to view in
person (they're the largest bunch of "oldies" that I've seen any dealer
have available for sale).

--Willy
TEC 1857

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) SURVEY: Trade Lists
Date: 22 Jul 1997 22:51:27 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Okay, I've posted my trade list here a few times and a couple
other people have posted lists as well. In addition I have received
about a dozen trade lists via e-mail and snail mail in the last six
months or so. The one thing I've noticed that all of these lists have in
common is: nothing. That's right, every person lists essentially
different information in their trade lists (imagine that!). So, I want
to know what YOU want to know. By taking a few seconds to answer the
following questions (or a minute or two to add some additional comments)
all of us can make our trade lists more informative (and possibly shorter
at the same time).

Obviously, each coin needs to have a name/number/designator of
some sort for identification purposes. Beyond that do you want to know:

Description of image/text? If yes, brief or complete?

Orientation of image (vertical or horizontal)?

Condition of coin itself?

Year of coin (or approximation thereof)?

Which side image is on (heads/tails)?

Designer/Roller?

Location of machine (if applicable)?

Manufacturer of machine (if applicable)?

Wether die is open/closed?

Year design first rolled?

Anything else I may have forgotten?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Dresd85854@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 23 Jul 1997 08:51:35 -0400 (EDT)

Would anyone be interested in getting a set of EC's together for someone from
NJ who can't make it.
Take care,
Mark

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) The NY convention
Date: 23 Jul 1997 09:07:52 -0400

But, he'll have some of these at the Mass convention - right?

- Jeff
At 12:52 AM 7/23/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
>> Will there still be people & coins there [ANA]? Or, will I be really
missing
>> stuff by not going on Friday?
>>
>> - Jeff
>
>Ray Dillard will still be there on Saturday running the TEC booth! Ray
>has an awsome collection of "oldies" that he brings to the shows... even
>if you can't afford to buy them all, they are wonderful to view in
>person (they're the largest bunch of "oldies" that I've seen any dealer
>have available for sale).
>
>--Willy
>TEC 1857
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 23 Jul 1997 09:23:19 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 23 Jul 1997 Dresd85854@aol.com wrote:

> Would anyone be interested in getting a set of EC's together for someone from
> NJ who can't make it.
> Take care,
> Mark

Not a problem. I intend to collect several extra sets. They'll
be available at cost+postage or trade.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) The NY convention
Date: 23 Jul 1997 13:38:48 -0700

I'm sure that he will!

--Willy

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> But, he'll have some of these at the Mass convention - right?
>
> - Jeff
> At 12:52 AM 7/23/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >Jeff Dixon wrote:
> >
> >> Will there still be people & coins there [ANA]? Or, will I be really
> missing
> >> stuff by not going on Friday?
> >>
> >> - Jeff
> >
> >Ray Dillard will still be there on Saturday running the TEC booth! Ray
> >has an awsome collection of "oldies" that he brings to the shows... even
> >if you can't afford to buy them all, they are wonderful to view in
> >person (they're the largest bunch of "oldies" that I've seen any dealer
> >have available for sale).
> >
> >--Willy
> >TEC 1857
> >
> >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
> Software Engineer
> Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
> 411 Waverley Oaks Road
> Waltham, MA 02154

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello Everyone!
Date: 23 Jul 1997 13:45:49 -0400 (EDT)

Hi, I just subcribed to this list. My name is Liz, I go to SSU in MD, but
spend the summers at home in south NJ. I have been collection elongated
pennies seriously for about 5 years. I have the typical tourest type
pennies from Boston Museam of Science, Maryland Museam of Science, The
Franklin Institute, Seattle, MT. Hood, NY, and Atlantic City NJ. Most of
these I cranked them out myself... But some were bought at flea markets and I
have no idea where they are from!!! I have an incomplet set of Zodiac
pennies...I need Leo and Taurus. The bad news is that I have no doubles...so
I could buy them. If there is any info on thes Zodiac penies...please let me
know... Here are some other strainge pennies:

805th T. D. BN. SEEK STRIKE DESTROY 1984
This has a picture of a cat biting a tank.

Religious Symbols
This has no words, just many different religious symbols including:
cross, ying-yang, star of david, moon and star, flower, and others that I
don't recognize.

JACK & PEG WILCOX CHRISTMAS WISHES FROM N.J. 1978
This has a picture of father christmas with a tree and bag of presents.

THE FOX FOREVER
This has a picture of a running fox with "wsa" in tiny letter o the left
end. I have no clue about this one.

Let me know if you have any info on these pennies...

Thanks!
Liz

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From: "ROCKY ROCKHOLT" <ROCKYROCKHOLT@msn.com>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Upcoming TEC elections
Date: 22 Jul 1997 20:18:16 UT

I am not aware that the TEC Board of Directors has appointed anyone as
candidates for the forthcoming election. Nor am I aware that the current
president has announced that he will be unable to fulfill his unexpired term
of office. While this may be true, I am not aware of his condition being so
serious to necessitate that action.

It has been my experience that those folks attending the annual meets have, in
the past, elected the slate of officers and directors. It is probably not the
way the bylaws call for the election to be handled but that is how it had been
done.

I suggest that anyone attending that annual meeting bring the question up from
the floor and get it handled with those officers and directors in attendance.
Unfortunately, I will not be attending.

Please keep me in the loop!

Rocky Rockholt

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 1997 1:18 AM
Cc: ROCKY ROCKHOLT

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> > If the Constitution was amended at the last meeting, then this is
> > all pointless and I apologize. But I doubt that to be the case. I just
> > want to know what happened. Actually that's not all I want. I also want
> > o get to cast my vote!
> >
>
> Actually, the reason for this rush election is because the current TEC
> president is very ill and recently announced that he could not fullfill
> his duties for the last year of his term (which was to start Aug 1). Ray
> Dillard (TEC's last Pres, and current V.P.) is not able to step up. For
> this reason, the board nominated a couple of us to fill in in a pinch.
> Usually we do have mail ballots where all members vote.... please excuse
> me for not remembering the details when you first asked... I am in
> pretty rough shape at the moment.
> --

Okay, that's a good reason. I am sorry to hear about Gus. This
is all the more reason, however, to get TEC online. Then this info could
be distributed to ALL the members in a timely fashion. I hope this will
be mentioned in the upcoming TEC News. The reason my .sig shows me as an
'exCoinmaster' is because the officers kept changing the club without
mentioning (much less discussing) thing with the members. So far, TEC
has been wonderful, I just have a fear (bordering paranoia) of "Old Boys'
Clubs".

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Matthew Birchard <psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: (elongates) Hello
Date: 23 Jul 1997 14:47:04 -0700 (PDT)

Hi,
I've just subscribed to this list. Just wanted to say "hello".
I've been collecting for, oh, around 10 years now. I haven't been very
active lately, though maybe this list will help. Well, that's all for
now. I hope to see some traffic here.

Matt Birchard
TEC# 1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail: psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 23 Jul 1997 19:39:56 -0400 (EDT)

Please note:

The Main Street Train Station and Pirates of the Caribbean EC roller requires
the coin to be placed facing the opposite direciton of other machines in the
park i.e. face right. Also the Train Station machine may require a swift
kick or "rock and roll" before it will let go of the goods :-).

The machine number 526, Snow White, Wicked Witch, and Bashful is down. :- (
The park tells me it will be up in a day or two. (I will follow up on this).

If there is any machine that is down when the group "lands" at the park, I'll
run some pickups of the missing coins for cost and postage when the machines
are up.

-Bob Hoff
TEC #2033

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) The NY convention
Date: 23 Jul 1997 22:11:38 -0400

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> But, he'll have some of these at the Mass convention - right?

If you're referring to the NENA Conference and Convention in
Marlborough, MA on 22-23 August, the answer is YES. However, an ANA
Convention is an Event, and not to be missed if you have an opportunity
to attend.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
rfritsch@concentric.net

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello Everyone!
Date: 23 Jul 1997 22:15:50 -0700

Liz wrote:
> If there is any info on these...
>
> 805th T. D. BN. SEEK STRIKE DESTROY 1984
> This has a picture of a cat biting a tank.

JACK WILCOX (TEC #332) had commissioned Frank Brazzell to roll
commemorative elongated coins for his military reunions for quite a few
years in a row--The coin you describe is one of them. Interestingly
enough, I am producing the 805th T.D. BN reunion coin for this year's
gathering--It depicts a pack-mule and soldier, and features a
barbed-wire border.

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Rocky's response to Election comments
Date: 23 Jul 1997 19:12:16 -0700 (PDT)

I received the following message from Rocky Rockholt, TEC
Director today. I have left the entirety of the previous messages
attached for anyone interested.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Cc: ROCKY ROCKHOLT <RockyRockholt@msn.com>

I am not aware that the TEC Board of Directors has appointed anyone as
candidates for the forthcoming election. Nor am I aware that the current
president has announced that he will be unable to fulfill his unexpired term
of office. While this may be true, I am not aware of his condition being so
serious to necessitate that action.

It has been my experience that those folks attending the annual meets have, in
the past, elected the slate of officers and directors. It is probably not the
way the bylaws call for the election to be handled but that is how it had been
done.

I suggest that anyone attending that annual meeting bring the question up from
the floor and get it handled with those officers and directors in attendance.
Unfortunately, I will not be attending.

Please keep me in the loop!

Rocky Rockholt

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 1997 1:18 AM
Cc: ROCKY ROCKHOLT

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> > If the Constitution was amended at the last meeting, then this is
> > all pointless and I apologize. But I doubt that to be the case. I just
> > want to know what happened. Actually that's not all I want. I also want
> > o get to cast my vote!
> >
>
> Actually, the reason for this rush election is because the current TEC
> president is very ill and recently announced that he could not fullfill
> his duties for the last year of his term (which was to start Aug 1). Ray
> Dillard (TEC's last Pres, and current V.P.) is not able to step up. For
> this reason, the board nominated a couple of us to fill in in a pinch.
> Usually we do have mail ballots where all members vote.... please excuse
> me for not remembering the details when you first asked... I am in
> pretty rough shape at the moment.
> --

Okay, that's a good reason. I am sorry to hear about Gus. This
is all the more reason, however, to get TEC online. Then this info could
be distributed to ALL the members in a timely fashion. I hope this will
be mentioned in the upcoming TEC News. The reason my .sig shows me as an
'exCoinmaster' is because the officers kept changing the club without
mentioning (much less discussing) thing with the members. So far, TEC
has been wonderful, I just have a fear (bordering paranoia) of "Old Boys'
Clubs".

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Upcoming TEC elections
Date: 23 Jul 1997 19:25:09 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, ROCKY ROCKHOLT wrote:

> I am not aware that the TEC Board of Directors has appointed anyone as
> candidates for the forthcoming election. Nor am I aware that the current
> president has announced that he will be unable to fulfill his unexpired term
> of office. While this may be true, I am not aware of his condition being so
> serious to necessitate that action.

Well, if you got your TEC News today as I did, then you should be
aware of it now. It was quite a shock to me (as is evident from my prior
messages). Howard's column mentions briefly that all of the officers
have "agreed to renomination" except for Gus and that Willy will be
running. It also mentions that nominations will remain open until
election time.

My concern has not been over the nominations made, but rather of
the appearance of things happening "behind closed doors" in contradiction
of the Constitution and by-laws.

>
> It has been my experience that those folks attending the annual meets have, in
> the past, elected the slate of officers and directors. It is probably not the
> way the bylaws call for the election to be handled but that is how it had been
> done.

I had the opposite impression. My first exposure to TEC was a
sample copy of the '95 convention issue. And if memory serves (which it
may well not) it came with a ballot and 'numbered envelope' as mentioned
in the constitution. I did not vote, of course, as I was not a member at
the time, but just checking out the club.

> I suggest that anyone attending that annual meeting bring the question up from
> the floor and get it handled with those officers and directors in attendance.
> Unfortunately, I will not be attending.
>
I agree. This is an issue that should be resolved one way or the
other. I will not be able to attend either (New York's a long way for
me), but would really like to have this situation resolved. There are
MANY members who will be unable to attend the meeting. I feel they
should still have a vote. This message is being crossposted to The
Elongated Coin Mailing List which has many subscribers who will be
attending, so hopefully one (or more) of them will bring this up.

> Please keep me in the loop!
>
Will do Rocky. I have forwarded both your response and this
message to the Mialing List and will continue to do so until the thread
dies (or you join the list <hint hint, nudge nudge>)

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) 805th T.D. BN elongates
Date: 23 Jul 1997 19:32:36 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Liz wrote:
> > If there is any info on these...
> >
> > 805th T. D. BN. SEEK STRIKE DESTROY 1984
> > This has a picture of a cat biting a tank.
>
> JACK WILCOX (TEC #332) had commissioned Frank Brazzell to roll

I just LOVE this list 8-) I am planning on posting several
elongates for attribution help, and the '92 issue of this coin was one of
them. Now I know without having to ask!

I am left with one question, however. What does the BN stand
for? I'm assuming (now) that T.D. is 'Tank Division', but what's the BN.
for? Battalion? Hmmm....that doesn't seem to work.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) 805th T.D. BN elongates
Date: 23 Jul 1997 22:53:44 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:
> I just LOVE this list 8-) I am planning on posting several
> elongates for attribution help, and the '92 issue of this coin was one of
> them. Now I know without having to ask!
>
> I am left with one question, however. What does the BN stand
> for? I'm assuming (now) that T.D. is 'Tank Division', but what's the BN.
> for? Battalion? Hmmm....that doesn't seem to work.

Actually Chris,
The T.D. is for "Tank Destroyer", but yes, BN is for Battalion.

--Willy

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello Everyone!
Date: 23 Jul 1997 20:07:12 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 23 Jul 1997 Egd9020@aol.com wrote:

> Hi, I just subcribed to this list. My name is Liz,

Welcome to the list, Liz!

> I go to SSU in MD, but

If you're back in Maryland by August 15th, you might want to
check out the MSNA convention. They're issueing elongates commemorating
the show and Ray Dillard will apparently be there. From what I hear he
always brings a large number of elongates to the shows as well as rolling
the official coins. If you want contact info for the show, just ask and
I'll send it private e-mail (unless of course, numerous people from the
list are interestd).

> spend the summers at home in south NJ.

Which means you can attend the ANA convention in NY!!! If you'd
like to get more involved in elongates I HIGHLY recommend attending.

> have no idea where they are from!!! I have an incomplet set of Zodiac
> pennies...I need Leo and Taurus. The bad news is that I have no doubles...so
> I could buy them. If there is any info on thes Zodiac penies...please let me
> know...

Well, I posted this to The Penny Page, but I'll repeat it here as well:
check out http://members.aol.com/BKornoleje/index.html Bill's got some
Zodiacs available. It is important to note, however, that there have
been numerous zodiac sets issued. I have a Gemini with a couple
copulating and have seen a set with the name and symbol at the top, a
line drawing of the standard picture in the center, and the dates and
planet symbol at the bottom. What do yours look like.

> Here are some other strainge pennies:
<snip>
> Let me know if you have any info on these pennies...

Sorry, don't know anything about these 8-(

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 23 Jul 1997 20:13:34 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 23 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> The Main Street Train Station and Pirates of the Caribbean EC roller requires
> the coin to be placed facing the opposite direciton of other machines in the
> park i.e. face right. Also the Train Station machine may require a swift
> kick or "rock and roll" before it will let go of the goods :-).

Thanx for the tips! This is good info to know in advance.

> The machine number 526, Snow White, Wicked Witch, and Bashful is down. :- (
> The park tells me it will be up in a day or two. (I will follow up on this).

Well according to those on the Disney newsgroups the park
typically gets the machines fixed with a day if not hours. My experience
at Paramount's Great America has been that one or two complaints and the
machines get fixed mighty quick.

> If there is any machine that is down when the group "lands" at the park, I'll
> run some pickups of the missing coins for cost and postage when the machines
> are up.

Hopefully we will not need to take you up on this, but I
appreciate the offer and will keep it in mind.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Subscription Page is UP!!!
Date: 23 Jul 1997 21:27:21 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!!

With many thanx to ..., the sobscribe/onsobscribe page
is up and working!! (Yes those words are misspelled intentionally.
Otherwise the message gets sent to list-owner).

The URL for the page is:

http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm

So, if when you talk up the list, be sure to pass on this URL.
Willy has already offered to link from his page to this one. I hope
others with pages will do the same.

While you're out surfing be sure to check out Kathy's Penny Page
(just remove 'listsub.htm' from the above url)!!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) New TEC News
Date: 23 Jul 1997 22:05:06 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

I arrived home tonight to be welcomed by the new issue of TEC
News, and thought I would give a review of sorts here.

My first two impressions brought disappointment: 1) My article
about the internet was not published 8-(, and 2) there was no free coin!
Did mine just get lost in the mail or did none of you receive a freebie
with this issue?

Overall, the issue looks great! The new 'image' Corey has
designed makes for very pleasurable reading. I do miss seeing the TEC
owl at the top of each page though.

Gus's column is another sad note as he announces what Willy told
all of us a few days ago, that he is stepping down due to ill health. He
also is the first (of several in this ish) to put out the call for
exhibitors at ANA. Pete, are you officially an exhibitor?
Exhibiting at Coin Shows is a VERY important part of building the
hobby. No, I haven't done so yet, either, but I'm working on it. If
TEC can show ANA that there is enough interest in elongates they will
begin awarding a "Dottie Dow Award" to the best elongated exhibitor at
each ANA convention. This would be great for the hobby as well as giving
Dottie her due. If it weren't for her there may very well have been no
TEC and no reference works for collectors.

Corey's Column (From The Editor) has a few high points. He
furthers the push for getting TEC online, devoting over half his column
to this topic. He also mentions Big Al's page for WDW sets which I found
ironic. The big news in this column is the huzzah he gives The Squished
Penny Museum and their Centinel. (Congrat's Pete and Christine) He also
mentions a new elongate club in Virginia, but doesn't give any contact
info. Anyone know anything about this club?
Corey also mentions that he received no feedback from the ads he
ran in the last TEC News. It is important to read the classifieds page
in TEC News and support your fellow members.

Ray Dillard's article on the 1996 ANA Convention was still
interesting even a year late! (It got misplaced, but was recently
rediscovered). This article made me all the more sad I am unable to
attend this year. Ray also mentions the need for exhibitors. The last
paragraph mentions that 'the world's rarest elongated coin was displayed
in its revolving display case'. Anyone know what coin this is? I would
assume it is the Wein 1818 Angelo is always advertising for, can anyone
confirm or deny?

Hearsay from Howard deals with convention issues and is the only
place this years election is really mentioned (other than the nominee
statements). His explanation is very brief and pales next to the one
that Willy provided the list. All of the convention issues are presented
(and pictured). They're cute, but I much prefer the 1995 ANA NUMISmagic
coins. Personally I like Mark Mears' concept of the owl King King. This
sounds really cool!

Martin's Mutterings covers several topics (as usual --- I love
the way Lee writes 8-). Sadly, he mentions that he is leaving the 'net
(I never knew he was on it!) He mentions that he received zero samples
of colored elongates in response to his request in the last issue. Has
anyone ever colored an elongate? I've never actually seen one, though I
have heard of them. What do people use to do this? Paint? Markers?

Jess Kirby weighed in with part one of an article about selling
elongates. Some very good advice here for anyone interested in
generating more income to spend on their collection.

Last, but not least, Peter Johnson has an article about what the TEC
website should look like. It was a good article, but I think mine would
have been more informative to more members (of course, I'm biased).

That just about covers it. There are several good ads in the
Classifieds, including one for the mailing list. Let's hope it gets us
some new subscribers!

Well, now you non-TEC members know what you missed this time
around. Don't miss another issue, join TEC today!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) MY Internet article intended for TEC News
Date: 23 Jul 1997 22:09:58 -0700 (PDT)

The Elongated Internet

By Chris Aahz (TEC #2062)
E-Mail:Aahz@svpal.org

The 104 year old hobby of collecting elongated coins is
finally moving into the electronic age. When I received my original
TEC membership package in December it spurred me on to check out the
Internet for resources on elongated coins. I was sorely dissapointed.
Now, approximately six months later, there a numerous sites for
elongated coins and more are appearing on a fairly constant basis.
The Spring '97 issue of TEC News contained an article by Larry
Feit (#1795) proposing that TEC set up a web page with a launch date
of January 1, 1998. This is a magnificent idea. He even offered to
host the web page himself. This is a major commitment and he should
be applauded for his willingness to bring TEC into the 21st Century.
There is no reason I can see for TEC not to take advantage of his
offer. I 'meet' people on a regular basis on-line who are looking for
more information on elongated coins. It would be wonderful to give
them a web address in addition to a postal address for them to get
information. Many people are much more likely to enter a few
keystrokes into a computer then they are to write and send a letter by
hand.
What's available on the 'net now? Plenty. The first place I
encountered elongates on-line was in the rec.disney.parks newsgroups.
These newsgroups are primarily an area for people to discuss their
trips to the various Disney parks. Elongates (they call them pressed
pennies) have been discussed quite a bit in these newsgroups. Their
focus is pretty tight dealing only with Disney elongates, particularly
machine locations within the parks and surrounding hotels. If you're
planning a trip to a Disney Park you might want to drop in here and
get the latest info.
Through the Disney newsgroups I found complete lists of
machine locations at both Disneyland and Disney World/Epcot. Al Lutz'
Disneyland Information Guide - Pressed Pennies includes not only
current machine locations, but also tips on polishing and organizing
your elongates and other uses for them. He also includes lists of
other souvenir coins/tokens and discontnued elongates. For Disney
World you'll want to check out Kenny Cottrell's WDW - Penny Press
Guide. This site contains five seperate lists of machine locations:
The Magic Kingdom, Epcot Center, Disney-MGM Studios, Resort Hotels and
the 25th Anniversary Quarters. (All site addresses are listed at end
of article)
Willy Massey (TEC #1857) has taken Luck 'E' Penny online. The
largest elongated site on the internet, Willy has posted a lot of
general information on elongates, a reproduction of the TEC Membership
application, and offers numerous elongates for sale including a few
special deals for netizens. This is also the current home of The
Hitchiker's Guide to Elongated Coin Machines. This is probably the
best place to point people who are new to elongates.
The Smashed Penny Locator is maintained by Bert Creighton and
lists more than 40 locations with elongated cent machines complete
with maps. Additional information here includes materials content of
both US and Canadian cents, the TEC address, penny trivia, and links
to other coin sites (for both elongated and traditional coins).
Allan & Jen's Digital Fridge is the homepage of Allan and Jen
Daly. Amongst the personal information on the couple (and their dog,
Wally) is Allan's Smashed Penny Collection. This site currently
contains machine locations and images for a dozen different elongated
coins.
My personal favorite site is The Penny Page hosted by Kathy
... (TEC #2085). Started as a way to learn more about the
internet, The Penny Page has blossomed into a beautiful site. While
slim on general information, those already familiar with elongated
coins will find plenty here to enjoy. Kathy has scanned nearly 100
elongates and posted the images here. She is also adding more on a
fairly regular basis. Just one small click away from the main page is
the Message Board. Here, visitors can post questions or comments
regarding elongated coins and get feedback from others. Messages
remain here semi-permanently so new visitors can see what has been
discussed in the past. Topics have included machine locations, trade
offers, and what coins work best for elongates.
Those who collect elongates 'on site' have surely encountered
the name Eurolink. Possibly the largest supplier of elongated coin
machines to tourist locations, Eurolink now has a hom page as well.
Unfortunately, this site suffers the same fate as most corporate
sponsored pages: plenty of hype, little substance. Although they have
included links to many of their clients, I found little of use here.
They also include a link to allow visitors to send the company e-mail,
but I have found them unresponsive thus far.
Last, but certainly not least, I am in the process of
establishing an e-mail mailing list dedicated to elongated coins. Web
pages are generally static in that only the host can change what
information is provided (The Penny Page's Message Board being the
exception to this rule). If you want to see if any new information
has been has been added since your last visit, you must revisit the
site. Mailing lists, on the other hand, are dynamic and fully
interactive. Essentially a mailing list allows subscribers to send a
message to one address and have it automatically forwarded to everyone
subscribed to the list. Do not be fooled by the word "subscriber":
there is no cost to sign up for this service. While the list should
be active by the time you read this, I was unable to confirm the list
address before publication deadline. If you are interested in the
mailing list send me e-mail at Aahz@svpal.org
Hopefully, this article has helped our connected members to find
a new online resource or two. Perhaps, it will even be the impetus
for some of those who are not yet 'on the net' to step into the
electronic age. If you have any questions about the internet in
general, or these sites in particular, feel free to write and I will
do my best to answer them. Also, if you are aware of any online
resources not mentioned above, please drop me a line either
electronically or on paper.
Chris Aahz
925 Ravenscourt Ave #2
San Jose, CA 95128

Addresses of mentioned sites:

Disneyland Information Guide - Pressed Pennies:
http://members.aol.com/alweho/docs/penny.htm

WDW - Penny Press Guide:
http://www.wdn.com/dwills/penny.htm

Luck 'E' Penny:
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

Smashed Coin Locator:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html

Allan's Smashed Penny Collection:
http://www.ced.berkeley.edu/~adaly/smashed_pennies/pennies.html

The Penny Page:
http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/

Eurolink:
http://www.thegrid.net/eurolink/pennies.html

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New TEC News
Date: 24 Jul 1997 01:52:31 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> Greetings & Salutations!
>
> I arrived home tonight to be welcomed by the new issue of TEC
> News, and thought I would give a review of sorts here.
>
> I do miss seeing the TEC owl at the top of each page though.

Drop him an email! I'm with you on this one!!!

>
> Gus's column is another sad note as he announces what Willy told
> all of us a few days ago, that he is stepping down due to ill health. He
> also is the first (of several in this ish) to put out the call for
> exhibitors at ANA. Pete, are you officially an exhibitor?

Pete, you should contact Simpka (from MCCC - link on my page). He is a
multiple award winning exhibitor at ANA conventions (non elongated), and
also judges some of the categories... he could certainly let you know it
it is still possible to get your exhibit in THE BIG SHOW.


> He also mentions a new elongate club in Virginia, but doesn't give any contact
> info. Anyone know anything about this club?

That would be Copper Memories. They make the vending type machines for
much of the South East. It's funny... they wouldn't give me the time of
day when requesting info on their machine locations, but now they are
willing to sell that info for $19.95 per year. I can't bring myself to
support this "club" by revealing their specific address... however,
since you are my friends... they are located in Virginia Beach, Va.


>.... The last paragraph mentions that 'the world's rarest elongated coin was displayed
> in its revolving display case'. Anyone know what coin this is? I would
> assume it is the Wein 1818 Angelo is always advertising for, can anyone
> confirm or deny?

Nope! It's just some coin that Rosoto rolled only one of, and then
cancelled the die. The die read "world's rarest elongated". While no
elongated issue could be rarer than an issue of just one... many folks
have done the same thing.


> Martin's Mutterings covers several topics (as usual --- I love
> the way Lee writes 8-). Sadly, he mentions that he is leaving the 'net
> (I never knew he was on it!) He mentions that he received zero samples
> of colored elongates in response to his request in the last issue. Has
> anyone ever colored an elongate? I've never actually seen one, though I
> have heard of them. What do people use to do this? Paint? Markers?

Some use paint, others use paint markers to color over elongated coins.
I don't really care much for colored elongateds (I'm more the purest).
However, TEC's enamaled elongated silver quarters are AWESOME!--Too bad
I don't own any :(

--Willy
TEC 1857

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) "Yesterday's Elongateds" at bargain price
Date: 23 Jul 1997 22:46:37 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Just a quick note to let everyone know that Angros Enterprises is
offering "Yesterday's Elongateds" for only $30 including postage! This a
great price! I recently purchased a copy for $45 and found it to be more
than worth the price.

For any who don't know, "Yesterday's Elongateds" is a wonderful
book by Dottie Dow and Lee Martin. It catalogs nearly all of the
elongated coins issued between 1893 and 1965 with illustrations of all
but five or six. If you have any interest in older elongates (especially
World's Fair issues then this book is a must have. And I sincerely doubt
you'll ever find it at a cheaper price.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New TEC News
Date: 23 Jul 1997 22:51:37 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> > I do miss seeing the TEC owl at the top of each page though.
>
> Drop him an email! I'm with you on this one!!!

Just finished doing just that. Do you know if the owl has a
name? If not, he needs one.

> > He also mentions a new elongate club in Virginia, but doesn't give any contact
>
> That would be Copper Memories. They make the vending type machines for

Not that I doubt you, Willy. But do you know this for sure, or
are just assuming based on location?

> > anyone ever colored an elongate? I've never actually seen one, though I
> > have heard of them. What do people use to do this? Paint? Markers?
>
> Some use paint, others use paint markers to color over elongated coins.
> I don't really care much for colored elongateds (I'm more the purest).

Gotta sign off, I believe I just may have some of those paint
markers in a box nearby...

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New TEC News
Date: 24 Jul 1997 02:08:55 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> > > He also mentions a new elongate club in Virginia, but doesn't give any contact
> >
> > That would be Copper Memories. They make the vending type machines for
>
> Not that I doubt you, Willy. But do you know this for sure, or
> are just assuming based on location?

This is FACT! I received thier flyer in the mail last week... It's now
in my circular file with the rest of my annoying junk mail.

--Willy

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New TEC News
Date: 24 Jul 1997 02:25:39 -0700

William C. Massey wrote:
>
> Chris Aahz wrote:
> >
> > > > He also mentions a new elongate club in Virginia, but doesn't give any contact
> > >
> > > That would be Copper Memories. They make the vending type machines for
> >
> > Not that I doubt you, Willy. But do you know this for sure, or
> > are just assuming based on location?
>
> This is FACT! I received thier flyer in the mail last week... It's now
> in my circular file with the rest of my annoying junk mail.
>
> --Willy

I feel the need to reply to my own message and explain my seemingly
harsh remarks:
Copper Memories is listed as grossing over $2.5 million annually, at the
expense of our elongated collecting community. They are well aware of
TEC, yet instead of aiding collectors by publishing their informaion in
the TEC Newsletter (free of charge), they feel the need to milk us out
of money just so that we can find their machines and BUY their
products.

--Willy

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From: Matthew Birchard <psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: Re: (elongates) MY Internet article intended for TEC News
Date: 23 Jul 1997 23:51:31 -0700 (PDT)

Just wanted to say that I enjoyed reading your article. It would
have been nice if it had been published in TEC. Oh, well, we all here
got to read it. Perhaps our editor, Corey, has simply misplaced it like
he did with Ray's convention article. :-} Your inclusion of all the
URL's was great, I just need time to check them all out.

Matt Birchard
TEC #1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail: psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) MY Internet article intended for TEC News
Date: 24 Jul 1997 03:37:13 -0700

Matthew Birchard wrote:
>
> Just wanted to say that I enjoyed reading your article. It would
> have been nice if it had been published in TEC. Oh, well, we all here
> got to read it. Perhaps our editor, Corey, has simply misplaced it like
> he did with Ray's convention article. :-} Your inclusion of all the
> URL's was great, I just need time to check them all out.

I agree about your fine article, Chris. I would have to assume that It
just didn't make the deadline. I know that Ray Dillard has been
concerned about the declining amount of artilces in the TEC Newsletter
lately (It used to average about 20 pages). So, I would have to think
that it will be in the next issue.

You may even wish to email Corey Wylde and ask if there was any
particular reason for the ommission of your article (he misplaced one of
mine in the past)... But for what ever reason it was ommited, It
certainly could not have been because of it's content!

Also Chris,
Thanks for the preview! Seems like us Eastcoasters are the last on the
mailing list :(

And as for the lack of Freebies in this issue... I hope you were the
only one not to get an elongated with the issue. I have yet to NOT get
a coin with my TEC News... sometimes they even send two! And while I'm
on this subject: The freebie with the next issue will be quite
nice!!!! It's a coin I'm making for artist, Lurene Haines. It depicts
a heart with wings and a halo, and reads: "Practice Random Acts of
Kindness". Lurene is a true humanitarian and has graciously offered to
donate enough coins for all TEC members (all of the coins given away
with the TEC Newsletter are donated by TEC members).

Anyone interested in seeing the art of Lurene Haines, and her husband
Dave Dorman (who is also issuing an elongated coin in the next few
weeks) should check out their website at: htttp://www.dormanart.com
They've done some amazing stuff! and if you join their FREE mailing
list, you will even get their new elongated featuring the comic hero,
"The Iguana", absolutly free with their newsletter!

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) MY Internet article intended for TEC News
Date: 24 Jul 1997 00:59:42 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Matthew Birchard wrote:
> >
> > Just wanted to say that I enjoyed reading your article. It would
<snip>
>
> I agree about your fine article, Chris.

Thank you both 8-)

> I would have to assume that It just didn't make the deadline.

I know it made the deadline. I e-mailed it to Corey the day
before the deadline. He commented that it was a bit long and he would
probably have to shorten it, I then edited it myself, removing about 20%
of it and resubmitted it on the day of the deadline.

Most likely it was not printed for two reasons: 1) There was
already a complete article on TEC and the Internet, and 2) With Ray's
found article there just wasn't space. If he has filed it for future use
then it will be out of date when printed. I was really hoping to see it
in this issue since this one will be distributed at ANA and thus will
reach a much larger audience. But c'est la vie (or however it's spelled).

> I know that Ray Dillard has been
> concerned about the declining amount of artilces in the TEC Newsletter
> lately (It used to average about 20 pages). So, I would have to think
> that it will be in the next issue.

The call for articles was the thing that finally got me to sit
down and write it. I hadn't written anything for publication in about
ten years. Perhaps Pete can use it in The Centennial.

The new issue is 16 pages. Frankly, I'd like to see around 24
pages every month. Four issues a year is just not enough for me. I read
and re-read each issue. One of the reasons I am so pleased with this
list (and mailing lists in general) is that information can be gotten out
not only on a timely basis, but in 'conversation' format. There is
feedback on specific issues without waiting 3 months, no page limits due
to financial constraints, and no lead time!

Since the list has been so succesful, the idea of a secondary
elongates club has been tickling the back of my mind. That's why I was
so interested in the validity of the Virginia 'club'. Don't get me
wrong, I'm not talking about an overthrow of TEC. TEC is an integral,
and essential, part of elongate collecting. But just as the hundreds of
coin clubs do not detract from the ANA, perhaps there's room for two
elongate clubs. Just random thoughts floating thru my brain. Any thoughts?

> Also Chris,
> Thanks for the preview! Seems like us Eastcoasters are the last on the
> mailing list :(

At least there's SOME consulation for living in California ;)
>

> And as for the lack of Freebies in this issue... I hope you were the

I hope so too! Not only are the freebies a great incentive to
join TEC, but I've received several of my favorite issues this way.

I would really like to hear from each TEC member that reads this
as to wether or not you got your freebie.

> nice!!!! It's a coin I'm making for artist, Lurene Haines. It depicts
> a heart with wings and a halo, and reads: "Practice Random Acts of
> Kindness". Lurene is a true humanitarian and has graciously offered to

This sounds pretty neat. If I don't get THAT one, heads will
roll! 8-)

> Anyone interested in seeing the art of Lurene Haines, and her husband
> Dave Dorman (who is also issuing an elongated coin in the next few

I've seen Dave's work at comic shows. He's great!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) "Yesterday's Elongateds" at bargain price
Date: 24 Jul 1997 08:31:14 -0400

Do you have an address for it?
- Jeff
At 10:46 PM 7/23/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Greetings & Salutations!
>
> Just a quick note to let everyone know that Angros Enterprises is
>offering "Yesterday's Elongateds" for only $30 including postage! This a
>great price! I recently purchased a copy for $45 and found it to be more
>than worth the price.
>
> For any who don't know, "Yesterday's Elongateds" is a wonderful
>book by Dottie Dow and Lee Martin. It catalogs nearly all of the
>elongated coins issued between 1893 and 1965 with illustrations of all
>but five or six. If you have any interest in older elongates (especially
>World's Fair issues then this book is a must have. And I sincerely doubt
>you'll ever find it at a cheaper price.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
>The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
>List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
>Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
>"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) The NY convention
Date: 24 Jul 1997 08:50:52 -0400

The big problem I see is that everybody seems to be heading out on Friday.
I can't make it there until Saturday. :(
If Ray's going to be at both places, and I can order the passport, it
doesn't make as much sense.

- Jeff
At 10:11 PM 7/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Jeff Dixon wrote:
>>
>> But, he'll have some of these at the Mass convention - right?
>
>If you're referring to the NENA Conference and Convention in
>Marlborough, MA on 22-23 August, the answer is YES. However, an ANA
>Convention is an Event, and not to be missed if you have an opportunity
>to attend.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bob Fritsch
>rfritsch@concentric.net
>
>
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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) "Yesterday's Elongateds" at bargain price
Date: 24 Jul 1997 08:27:17 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> Do you have an address for it?
> - Jeff
> At 10:46 PM 7/23/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >Greetings & Salutations!
> >
> > Just a quick note to let everyone know that Angros Enterprises is
> >offering "Yesterday's Elongateds" for only $30 including postage! This a
> >great price! I recently purchased a copy for $45 and found it to be more
> >than worth the price.
> >

Oops! the ad is in the Classisfieds in TEC News, but for those
without, the address is:

Angros Enterprises
70 Grove St.
New Milford, CT 06776

Mention hearing about it in both TEC News and on The ELongated
COin Mialing List and I'll be your friend 8-)

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) "Yesterday's Elongateds" at bargain price
Date: 24 Jul 1997 11:44:42 -0400

I haven't received my issue yet *pout*.

- Jeff
At 08:27 AM 7/24/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
>> Do you have an address for it?
>> - Jeff
>> At 10:46 PM 7/23/97 -0700, you wrote:
>> >Greetings & Salutations!
>> >
>> > Just a quick note to let everyone know that Angros Enterprises is
>> >offering "Yesterday's Elongateds" for only $30 including postage! This a
>> >great price! I recently purchased a copy for $45 and found it to be more
>> >than worth the price.
>> >
>
> Oops! the ad is in the Classisfieds in TEC News, but for those
>without, the address is:
>
> Angros Enterprises
> 70 Grove St.
> New Milford, CT 06776
>
> Mention hearing about it in both TEC News and on The ELongated
>COin Mialing List and I'll be your friend 8-)
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
>The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
>List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
>Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
>"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Painting Elongates
Date: 24 Jul 1997 09:24:20 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Well, I painted my first elongate last night. I tried three
different types of markers that I hadlying around, but none worked very
well. The ink wouldn't 'stick' to the coin. So, I pulled out some
acrylic craft paint and went to work. My lack of painting skills aside
I'm very pleased with the result. I will be doing more in the future and
perhaps I'll send some along with future trades.
Just wanted to share.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Upcoming TEC elections (fwd)
Date: 24 Jul 1997 11:52:49 -0700 (PDT)

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Greetings Chris, I spoke with Corey Wylde last night about another matter and
he did confirm that Gus will not be running again. You were correct.

Regarding the election of officers and board of directors - they should be
elected by the membership in total by a combination of absentee votes and by
the votes of the members that attend the annual meeting. I am uncertain what
has happened in the past under our former leadership.

Again, please keep me in the loop.

Rocky Rockholt

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Upcoming TEC elections
Date: 24 Jul 1997 12:02:04 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, ROCKY ROCKHOLT wrote:

> Regarding the election of officers and board of directors - they should be
> elected by the membership in total by a combination of absentee votes and by
> the votes of the members that attend the annual meeting. I am uncertain what
> has happened in the past under our former leadership.

I agree, but this is not what is happening. Thelection will be
in eight days and there has been no absentee ballot distributed or even
an official list of candidates. Ray, Anita, and Willy each have 'nominee
statements' in the current TEC News, but that what about the positions of
Secretary and 'Governors' (I assume the current title of this position is
Director). Speaking of Governors, there are only two listed in the TEC
News masthead, yet the Constitution calls for three. Are each of the
nominees running uncontested? What about that third governor/director
slot? These are questions that beg to be answered.

I am constantly 'talking up' TEC, both online and in person.
However, it is things like this that can easily lead to deteriation.

>
> Again, please keep me in the loop.
>
The subject is not generating much interest on my mailing list.
Most of the TEC members there joined this year, so don't yet have a real
feel for the organization. I also know that some people prefer to steer
clear of politics for fear of rustling the wrong feathers. I will,
however, continue to keep you informed.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Re: My articl in new TEC News (fwd)
Date: 24 Jul 1997 12:35:25 -0700 (PDT)

For those of you who enjoyed my article and wondered why it was
not printed, here is the unsolicited reason from Corey Wylde, TEC
editor. It's pretty much what I thought.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Chris- Thanks for the kudos. I believe you have an article pending on various
elongated internet sites. I did not use it this issue because I didn't want
to overwhelm our non-electronic members with barrels full of cyberspace. They
have been the backbone of this club for years and are still the majority. The
trend is changing tho. If you have any more sites to add to your artilce
between now and the 1st of September, send them in.

-Corey

PS I''ll try to squeeze the owl in somewhere beginning with the January
issue.

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From: Matthew Birchard <psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: (elongates) Freebies
Date: 24 Jul 1997 12:51:58 -0700 (PDT)

Since Chris asked, Yes, I did get my freebie coin with my issue
of TEC News. These freebies have been the only new coins that I've received
in awhile. I just don't get out much into collection. I have them from
all the local machines, and I'm just to lazy/broke/lazy to send away for
any more. Maybe if I bought a machine it would spur me on to learn how
to engrave and issue my own coins. Someday, someday. I'm still young ya
know; I've got many years ahead of me yet to enjoy and further the hobby.

Matt Birchard
TEC: #1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail: psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Freebies
Date: 24 Jul 1997 12:58:20 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:

> in awhile. I just don't get out much into collection. I have them from
> all the local machines, and I'm just to lazy/broke/lazy to send away for

This is what trading is for!! If you like I'll send you my trade
list via private e-mail (you just missed the list posting by a few
days). Let me know off-list.

> any more. Maybe if I bought a machine it would spur me on to learn how
> to engrave and issue my own coins. Someday, someday. I'm still young ya
> know; I've got many years ahead of me yet to enjoy and further the hobby.

Go for it! There are plenty available. Check the classifieds of
TEC News, or e-mail Bill at BKornoelje@aol.com. He's offereing his
machine, two die rolls (one w/four designs), and his entire stock of
elongates for $2500. Seems like a pretty good deal considering the stock
that comes with hit.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) New list machine for Disneyland?
Date: 24 Jul 1997 16:02:36 -0400 (EDT)

Hi;

Just want to report that my 11 year old found a new (for me) machine at
Disneyland.

It is a three die, with Tinkerbell, Capt. Hook, and Peter Pan. Location is
Teddy Bearra's Swingin' Arcade in Critter Country. According to my sources.
:-)

Didn't get the machine number, sorry Dave.

Happy Collecting,
-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

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