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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 24 Jul 1997 17:53:14 -0400 (EDT)

HI all;

Just did a little counting. If my math is correct, as of today, there are 74
cents, 3 nickels, and 9 quarters at Disneyland including the two hotels.
That's a lot of rolling!

-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 24 Jul 1997 15:02:37 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> Just did a little counting. If my math is correct, as of today, there are 74
> cents, 3 nickels, and 9 quarters at Disneyland including the two hotels.
> That's a lot of rolling!

No kidding! Especially when we're talking multiple sets. Thank
god they're automated! Well, I was planning on getting at least four
sets. That makes almost $200! ($199.76 for the purists). Wow, guess my
limit is definetly four sets. Combined with the other coins I plan on
picking up on the trip, I'm definetly gonna need more money!!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: My articl in new TEC News (fwd)
Date: 24 Jul 1997 18:34:45 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> For those of you who enjoyed my article and wondered why it was
> not printed, here is the unsolicited reason from Corey Wylde, TEC
> editor. It's pretty much what I thought.

> From:WSons@aol.com
> To: aahz@svpal.org
> Subject: Re: New TEC News
>
> Chris- Thanks for the kudos. I believe you have an article pending on various
> elongated internet sites. I did not use it this issue because I didn't want
> to overwhelm our non-electronic members with barrels full of cyberspace. They
> have been the backbone of this club for years and are still the majority. The
> trend is changing tho. If you have any more sites to add to your artilce
> between now and the 1st of September, send them in.
>
> -Corey
>

Sorry Gang,
But this response doesn't make much sense to me. TEC knows that over 50
of it's newest members came from information posted on the Internet
(roughly 10% of active dues-paying members). It seems to me that the
"non-electronic members" could just skip this reading if it didn't
interest them... It's not like extra Internet news would be substituting
for the other EC news!... It would just supplement it! Oh well, while
the trend may not be changing as fast as many of us would like... at
least it IS changing :)

--Willy
TEC 1857

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Freebies
Date: 24 Jul 1997 18:41:33 -0700

Dear Chris (and all that may care),

It appears that the lack of a freebie coin with your TEC issue was an
oversight.
Please don't get discouraged with TEC, you just seem to be having an
unusual string of bad luck :(

I just received my TEC Newsletter today! The Free coin with my issue
was on of RR's coins depicting a train (its one from his set of 20
different trains that Bill Grencavich had engraved for him a year or so
ago.)

Just thought you might like to know.

--Willy
TEC 1857

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Freebies
Date: 24 Jul 1997 16:05:16 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Dear Chris (and all that may care),
>
> It appears that the lack of a freebie coin with your TEC issue was an
> oversight.

It's good to know that this practice has not been stopped for
some reason. This was my primary concern. More than likely, my freebie
simply escaped somewhere in the mail.

> Please don't get discouraged with TEC, you just seem to be having an
> unusual string of bad luck :(

I'm not. I still love TEC! I only complain about the things I
like 8-) If I was discouraged I would just leave it behind. Better that
these things happen to someone as obsessed as myself then someone who is
borderline. Things happen. It's all part of life's grand pageant...

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Jul 1997 17:49:29 -0000

Hello to all,
I am new to the list and just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Gina
and I live in Costa Mesa, CA although I won't be here long. In Sept I
will be a student again (Loma Linda University) and will have to move
closer to campus.

I have been collecting elongated coins for at least 13-15 years. Since I
only recently became a 'serious collector' my collection is not huge by any
means.

My collection mainly consists of souvenir coins, but I want to acquire
others.

One of my main interests is music, if anyone has any music or musician
related coins please let me know.

Also I have a trade list, so if anyone wants to see it just e-mail.

One more thing before i go (Chris has asked as well as others) I not only
am interested in elongated and music (among other things) I also am quite
fond of wine (red wine) particulary zinfandel.

Until more,
Gina TEC #2109

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) MY Internet article intended for TEC News
Date: 24 Jul 1997 19:42:26 -0700

On 7/24/97 3:37 AM William C. Massey (massey@clark.net ) wrote

>And as for the lack of Freebies in this issue... I hope you were the
>only one not to get an elongated with the issue. I have yet to NOT get
>a coin with my TEC News... sometimes they even send two! And while I'm
>on this subject: The freebie with the next issue will be quite
>nice!!!! It's a coin I'm making for artist, Lurene Haines. It depicts
>a heart with wings and a halo, and reads: "Practice Random Acts of
>Kindness". Lurene is a true humanitarian and has graciously offered to
>donate enough coins for all TEC members (all of the coins given away
>with the TEC Newsletter are donated by TEC members)

Free coins? If I had not seen this email I would not have known I was
missing something! It does not even appear there was a coin attached (no
putty, etc.). What was on the coin?

Bert Creighton
TEC#2095

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello Everyone!
Date: 24 Jul 1997 23:55:47 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-24 18:44:08 EDT, you write:

<< I could buy them. If there is any info on thes Zodiac penies...please
let me
> know...

Well, I posted this to The Penny Page, but I'll repeat it here as well:
check out http://members.aol.com/BKornoleje/index.html Bill's got some
Zodiacs available. It is important to note, however, that there have
been numerous zodiac sets issued. I have a Gemini with a couple
copulating and have seen a set with the name and symbol at the top, a
line drawing of the standard picture in the center, and the dates and
planet symbol at the bottom. What do yours look like. >>

My Zodiac pennies have a ring of stars around the edge. The picture is
verticaly alined with the sign's symbol, name, dates, picture, and planetary
symbol on the botom. I would love to get a Leo and Tarus!
Thanks for the info...and by the way...I am willing to trade the
strainge/unknown coins that I posted about previously.
Liz

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) MY Internet article intended for TEC News
Date: 25 Jul 1997 00:17:50 -0700

Bert Creighton wrote:

> Free coins? If I had not seen this email I would not have known I was
> missing something! It does not even appear there was a coin attached (no
> putty, etc.).

The TEC freebies come in a small envelope that is stapled into the
Newsletters when they are stapled closed for mailing.
--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 25 Jul 1997 00:32:38 -0400 (EDT)

Hey are there any Star Treck or other Sci-Fi orientated elongates out there?
I would love to get them! Also I have a pennie that is not elongated...it
was re-stamped with a new designe...but still in a circle...I got it from
Utah. One side says "DINOSAUR LAND . UTAH" with a fosilized dino print in
the center. The other side has a picture of a t-rex and says tyrannosaurus
on it. Any info on this?? I got it near Dinosaur National Monument in
Utah/Wyhoming....
Liz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 24 Jul 1997 21:36:23 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997 Egd9020@aol.com wrote:

> Hey are there any Star Treck or other Sci-Fi orientated elongates out there?

I'm sure there are, but I haven't come across them yet.
Paramount's Great America has Star Trek as one of its main themes, but
has not installed a ST penny yet. I recommended it, and got a "thank
you, we'll consider it" note in response. If it shows up, you'll be the
first I tell.

> I would love to get them! Also I have a pennie that is not elongated...it
> was re-stamped with a new designe...but still in a circle...I got it from
> Utah. One side says "DINOSAUR LAND . UTAH" with a fosilized dino print in
> the center. The other side has a picture of a t-rex and says tyrannosaurus
> on it. Any info on this?? I got it near Dinosaur National Monument in
> Utah/Wyhoming....

Are you sure it was a penny to begin with and is not simply a
token made of the same materials in the same size? If it is actually a
modified penny, then it is what is called a counter-stamp. Sounds pretty
cool either way.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 25 Jul 1997 00:55:30 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 00:53:17 EDT, you write:

<< I would love to get them! Also I have a pennie that is not
elongated...it
> was re-stamped with a new designe...but still in a circle...I got it from
> Utah. One side says "DINOSAUR LAND . UTAH" with a fosilized dino print
in
> the center. The other side has a picture of a t-rex and says
tyrannosaurus
> on it. Any info on this?? I got it near Dinosaur National Monument in
> Utah/Wyhoming....

Are you sure it was a penny to begin with and is not simply a
token made of the same materials in the same size? If it is actually a
modified penny, then it is what is called a counter-stamp. Sounds pretty
cool either way.
>>
I am sure it used to be a pennie because I put the pennie in the machine my
self!! I have done a lot of traveling!!!

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 24 Jul 1997 21:58:00 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997 Egd9020@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-07-25 00:53:17 EDT, you write:
>
> > Also I have a pennie that is not elongated...it
> > was re-stamped with a new designe...but still in a circle...
>
> Are you sure it was a penny to begin with and is not simply a

> I am sure it used to be a pennie because I put the pennie in the machine my
> self!! I have done a lot of traveling!!!

Well, then that would be a counter-stamp. I've never heard of a
counterstamping machine before. Anyone else seen these anywhere?

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 24 Jul 1997 22:06:29 -0700

Greetings,

I'd love to get an exact location of the tyrannosaurus machine. Do you
have any more info I could use to track it down?

Also, there's a new Star Trek theme area opened (or opening) at the Las
Vegas Hilton. I wonder if they have any coins there? You might just call
them and see (and let me know what you find, thanks!)...

Bert

On 7/24/97 9:55 PM Egd9020@aol.com (Egd9020@aol.com ) wrote

>In a message dated 97-07-25 00:53:17 EDT, you write:
>
><< I would love to get them! Also I have a pennie that is not
>elongated...it
> > was re-stamped with a new designe...but still in a circle...I got it from
> > Utah. One side says "DINOSAUR LAND . UTAH" with a fosilized dino print
>in
> > the center. The other side has a picture of a t-rex and says
>tyrannosaurus
> > on it. Any info on this?? I got it near Dinosaur National Monument in
> > Utah/Wyhoming....
>
> Are you sure it was a penny to begin with and is not simply a
> token made of the same materials in the same size? If it is actually a
> modified penny, then it is what is called a counter-stamp. Sounds pretty
> cool either way.
> >>
>I am sure it used to be a pennie because I put the pennie in the machine my
>self!! I have done a lot of traveling!!!

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 24 Jul 1997 22:01:18 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Also, there's a new Star Trek theme area opened (or opening) at the Las
> Vegas Hilton. I wonder if they have any coins there? You might just call
> them and see (and let me know what you find, thanks!)...

Nikki (tink!!!) is in Vegas now, I believe. Perhaps she will have some
info (and some to trade) when she returns next week.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 25 Jul 1997 01:02:49 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 01:00:37 EDT, you write:

<< > Also I have a pennie that is not elongated...it
> > was re-stamped with a new designe...but still in a circle...
>
> Are you sure it was a penny to begin with and is not simply a

> I am sure it used to be a pennie because I put the pennie in the machine
my
> self!! I have done a lot of traveling!!!

Well, then that would be a counter-stamp. I've never heard of a
counterstamping machine before. Anyone else seen these anywhere?
>>

I guess this makes my Dinosaur Utah counter-stamp unique!
I think I will hold onto it for a wile!

Liz

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 25 Jul 1997 01:10:24 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 01:01:47 EDT, you write:

<<
I'd love to get an exact location of the tyrannosaurus machine. Do you
have any more info I could use to track it down?
>>

Ok...the machine is in Vernal, Utah...I can't remember the name of the place
it is in,but it was a chessy dianosaur park...with life-sized moldles of
dinasaurs. This was about 2 years...... You might find it!
Good Luck!
Liz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 24 Jul 1997 22:23:50 -0700

Liz,

Do you have access to a computer scanner that you could get a picture of
this penny and get it up on the web for everyone to see. I would be happy
to put it on my web site and give you the proper credit.

Bert

On 7/24/97 10:02 PM Egd9020@aol.com (Egd9020@aol.com ) wrote

>I guess this makes my Dinosaur Utah counter-stamp unique!
>I think I will hold onto it for a wile!
>
>Liz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) CounterStamped URL
Date: 24 Jul 1997 22:33:30 -0700

Liz And All,

The location of this machine appears to be at URL:

http://www.sisna.com/vernal/

I will pursue (that's what we Location Keepers do, pursue) this and see
where it leads...

Bert
Smashed Coin Locator
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html

On 7/24/97 10:10 PM Egd9020@aol.com (Egd9020@aol.com ) wrote

>Ok...the machine is in Vernal, Utah...I can't remember the name of the place
>it is in,but it was a chessy dianosaur park...with life-sized moldles of
>dinasaurs. This was about 2 years...... You might find it!
>Good Luck!
>Liz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) CounterStamped URL
Date: 24 Jul 1997 22:33:11 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> The location of this machine appears to be at URL:
>
> http://www.sisna.com/vernal/
>

<checking watch> Now THAT's what I call fast service!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Jul 1997 22:41:26 -0700

Gina,

Greetings and welcome to the list! It is great having another Southern
California collector online with us (I'm in San Diego).

I wanted to be sure you knew about the 1st meeting of the list members (a
few of us that is) at Disneyland on September 7th (which is also
Grandparents day). We hope you can join us for our 1st meeting, where we
will have some fun/food, trading and story telling about our
collections...

Recently Chris Aahz posted a message on the Top 10 Locations That Need
Smashed Coin Machines. Perhaps we should start a top 10 list of Wineries
and Vinyards that need a machine!

Anyway, it is good to have you on the list. Hope you can join us on the
7th (a Sunday).

Bert Creighton
TEC#2095

On 7/24/97 10:49 AM zinful (zinful@prodigy.net ) wrote

>Hello to all,
>I am new to the list and just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Gina
>and I live in Costa Mesa, CA although I won't be here long. In Sept I
>will be a student again (Loma Linda University) and will have to move
>closer to campus.
>
>I have been collecting elongated coins for at least 13-15 years. Since I
>only recently became a 'serious collector' my collection is not huge by any
>means.
>
>My collection mainly consists of souvenir coins, but I want to acquire
>others.
>
>One of my main interests is music, if anyone has any music or musician
>related coins please let me know.
>
>Also I have a trade list, so if anyone wants to see it just e-mail.
>
>One more thing before i go (Chris has asked as well as others) I not only
>am interested in elongated and music (among other things) I also am quite
>fond of wine (red wine) particulary zinfandel.
>
>Until more,
>Gina TEC #2109

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) MY Internet article intended for TEC News
Date: 24 Jul 1997 21:31:32 -0000

I have not received my TEC news as of yet (7/24) but the last news I
received was also without a free coin . It had an envelope which was
sealed and stapled to the news but nothing was in it. Oh well I can't
complain when i first goined TEC I received quite a few freebies with my
first news issue.
Gina TEC #2109

----------
> From: William C. Massey <massey@clark.net>
> To: elongates@mail.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: (elongates) MY Internet article intended for TEC News
> Date: Friday, July 25, 1997 7:17 AM
>
> Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> > Free coins? If I had not seen this email I would not have known I was
> > missing something! It does not even appear there was a coin attached
(no
> > putty, etc.).
>
> The TEC freebies come in a small envelope that is stapled into the
> Newsletters when they are stapled closed for mailing.
> --
> Elongatedly Yours,
>
> William C. Massey
> TEC #1857
>
> ********************************************
>
> P.S.
> Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
> http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Jul 1997 22:43:27 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Recently Chris Aahz posted a message on the Top 10 Locations That Need
> Smashed Coin Machines. Perhaps we should start a top 10 list of Wineries
> and Vinyards that need a machine!

Well, I am surrounded by wineries (Napa Valley, Saratoga,
Livermore, Lodi "The White Zinfandel Capitol of the World") and have
delivered packages to several of them. Not a single one has had a penny
machine 8-( Of course, since I ask every time I'm at each one, perhaps
this will change 8-)

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Regarding New Coin Locations
Date: 24 Jul 1997 22:57:43 -0700

Hi,

I know someone that can change this, if the traffic load will justify
putting in a machine.

I will be happy to pass on locations, if there are reasonable (you be the
judge) numbers of people going to the location... Please send emails to
me at creightoniii@home.com and I will forward on...

Bert
(I'm not trying to act as a middleman, just protecting the privacy of a
friend until they are ready to go online. bc)

On 7/24/97 10:43 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>
>On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
>> Recently Chris Aahz posted a message on the Top 10 Locations That Need
>> Smashed Coin Machines. Perhaps we should start a top 10 list of Wineries
>> and Vinyards that need a machine!
>
> Well, I am surrounded by wineries (Napa Valley, Saratoga,
>Livermore, Lodi "The White Zinfandel Capitol of the World") and have
>delivered packages to several of them. Not a single one has had a penny
>machine 8-( Of course, since I ask every time I'm at each one, perhaps
>this will change 8-)

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Jul 1997 21:57:53 -0000

Hey excellent idea with the wineries. I would love to see them at these
locations. The only thing about that is all of the smashed coin machines
are in locations where there are a lot of kids. But they don't have to be,
do they?
Gina
TEC #2109
----------
> From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
> To: elongates@mail.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
> Date: Friday, July 25, 1997 5:43 AM
>
>
> On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> > Recently Chris Aahz posted a message on the Top 10 Locations That Need
> > Smashed Coin Machines. Perhaps we should start a top 10 list of
Wineries
> > and Vinyards that need a machine!
>
> Well, I am surrounded by wineries (Napa Valley, Saratoga,
> Livermore, Lodi "The White Zinfandel Capitol of the World") and have
> delivered packages to several of them. Not a single one has had a penny
> machine 8-( Of course, since I ask every time I'm at each one, perhaps
> this will change 8-)
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
> List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
> Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 25 Jul 1997 02:16:50 -0700

zinful wrote:
>
> Hey excellent idea with the wineries. I would love to see them at these
> locations. The only thing about that is all of the smashed coin machines
> are in locations where there are a lot of kids. But they don't have to be,
> do they?

I've heard that Eurolink won't even consider a location unless foot
traffic is 3 million per year! For the other makers... I have no Idea.
--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

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P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Jul 1997 23:14:16 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, zinful wrote:

>
> Hey excellent idea with the wineries. I would love to see them at these
> locations. The only thing about that is all of the smashed coin machines
> are in locations where there are a lot of kids. But they don't have to be,
> do they?

Apparently you haven't been to Napa. Kids are everywhere at the
wineries. With basically nothing to do while their parents get slowly
sloshed.

Besides, in my experience far more adults actually waste their
money on these little trinkets....um..er...I mean...purchase these tiny
works of art, then kids. I alawys assumed it was the reverse as well,
but experience in and around San Francisco has shown me otherwise.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: (elongates) Trade List
Date: 24 Jul 1997 22:14:13 -0000

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Hello,
Well I am going to attempt to post my list. I hope it goes through O.K.
because I have had some problems on the receiving end. Let me know and if
anyone needs any details on any of the coins let me know as well.

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: (elongates) the stamped penny issue
Date: 25 Jul 1997 03:14:44 -0700

I have a friend in AZ, who sent me such a token. They are minted much
like coins or medals, only they use cents as planchets instead of blank
planchets.

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: "tink!!!" <dvlgrl66hatesspam@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 25 Jul 1997 00:48:03 -0700

> On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> > Also, there's a new Star Trek theme area opened (or opening) at
> > the Las Vegas Hilton. I wonder if they have any coins there? You
> > might just call them and see (and let me know what you find,
> > thanks!)...
>
> Nikki (tink!!!) is in Vegas now, I believe. Perhaps she
> will have some info (and some to trade) when she returns next week.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

yA-hAH!!! checking my mail one last timebefore heading off in the AM
(why am i getting up early on my bday???) anyways, i 'll check it out;>

pax!!!
nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 25 Jul 1997 05:43:41 -0700

zinful wrote:

> One of my main interests is music, if anyone has any music or musician
> related coins please let me know.

Gina,
Henry Bessler (TEC 1068) has a couple of music related elongated coins:
one is of Jazz legends, and one is a hipster-dude playing and upright
bass.
He can be reached at:
Henry Bessler
40 Hilltop Dr.
Burlington, Mass 01803
617-272--4688

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Painting Elongates
Date: 25 Jul 1997 07:12:32 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
> Well, I painted my first elongate last night. I tried three
> different types of markers that I hadlying around, but none worked

Try fingernail polish. One of the offerings at the 1993 ANA Baltimore
convention featured a crab painted in red enamel. I think it was
fingernail polish. Looks neat!

The annual enamelled TEC badges are (or have been) done by SilverTowne,
and they do a nice job. Same process as their other enamelled stuff.
These badges are available by subscription only so watch _TEC News_ for
when they are offered. I bought one at auction one year for about
double the subscription price, and glad of it.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
TEC #1871
rfritsch@concentric.net

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: (elongates) San Diego Machine
Date: 25 Jul 1997 08:10:17 -0400

Bert,

There used to be a machine beside the Coyote Cafe in Old Town, featuring
an Old Town theme. Since I haven't been to SD for years, it may be
gone, but I wouldn't bet on it. Might be a good item to check out and
add to your list.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
TEC #1871
rfritsch@concentric.net

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: (elongates) Naming the Owl
Date: 25 Jul 1997 08:23:14 -0400

I also don't know if the Owl has a name, other than Athena's Owl. It's
the same as the one on the Athenian Tetradrachm of ancient Greece. In
their mythology, the owl flew around the world every night gathering
news of what was happening.

If we don't have a name for it, I suggest a contest to NAME THE OWL.
No, don't put your ideas on the net immediately in a rush of
enthusiasm! To give all TEC members a chance, it must be done through
announcement in _TEC News_, with definite dates for start and finish. I
would be glad to serve as the contest chairman and would take input by
any means (E-Mail, SnailMail, Pony Express...). The Board could serve
as the judges.

How about it, Mr. President?

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
TEC #1871
rfritsch@concentric.net

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: (elongates) Re: Disney World penny set
Date: 25 Jul 1997 09:10:08 -0400

Here's the update from Big Al

- Jeff

>From: "Big Al & Pooh Too!" <ramsayal@ix.netcom.com>
>To: "Jeff Dixon" <jeffd@rosemary.kurzweil.com>
>Subject: Re: Disney World penny set
>Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:17:13 -0400
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>
>Hi Jeff!
>
>Good to hear from you again. Here is what I will do for you and your
>group.
>I will only charge one fee of $300 for all 6 sets. Since I will get them
>all at once, it will save me time and if you split it six ways, it will
>save each of you money too.
>However, I will have to charge some extra shipping to cover the 5 extra
>sets of pennies. I can give you an exact amount if you give me your zip
>code where I will send the pressed pennies.
>
>Also, I do not put the pennies in any kind of covers or protectors. If you
>wish me to do so after they have been pressed, you need to send the covers
>or protectors along with the pennies.
>
[snip]
>Looking forward to hearing from you soon!
>Your Friend in the Parks,
>Big Al
>
>http://www.netcom.com/~ramsayal/disney.html
>
>
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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 25 Jul 1997 09:17:35 -0400

74 cents. Whoa. I guess I should count how many I have. Where's the
current list again?

- Jeff
At 03:02 PM 7/24/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Just did a little counting. If my math is correct, as of today, there
are 74
>> cents, 3 nickels, and 9 quarters at Disneyland including the two hotels.
>> That's a lot of rolling!
>
> No kidding! Especially when we're talking multiple sets. Thank
>god they're automated! Well, I was planning on getting at least four
>sets. That makes almost $200! ($199.76 for the purists). Wow, guess my
>limit is definetly four sets. Combined with the other coins I plan on
>picking up on the trip, I'm definetly gonna need more money!!
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
>The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
>List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
>Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
>"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
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Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Disney World penny set
Date: 25 Jul 1997 08:19:12 -0500

Sounds good to me. Of course you know he will probably make more sets
now and make up the difference with someone later down the raod.

Janelle

Send him my address at:

Janelle Henry
13231 179 1/2 Ave
Elk River, MN 55330

Let me know what I owe for all this so I can get the money to you.

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: (elongates) Disney World penny set - clarification
Date: 25 Jul 1997 11:06:22 -0400

>From: "Big Al & Pooh Too!" <ramsayal@ix.netcom.com>
>To: "Jeff Dixon" <jeffd@rosemary.kurzweil.com>
>Subject: Re: Disney World penny set
>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:04:14 -0400
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>
>Good Morning!
>
>I sent an e-mail to you last night in regards to your pressed pennies. I
>wanted to send a follow up e-mail to clarify something that I didn't make
>clear. The fee for getting the pennies is $300. The cost of just the
>pennies for 6 sets is $603. So the actual total for 6 sets is $903 plus
>whatever the extra shipping is. (I just need your zip code and If the
>extra shipping is less than $5 extra then I won't charge extra). Basically
>when you and your group split the cost, each will be paying $50 instead of
>$200 as I normally charge per set.
>
>Any questions, let me know....
>Your Friend in the Parks,
>Big Al
>
>http://www.netcom.com/~ramsayal/disney.html
>
>
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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Utah Dinoasur stamped pennie
Date: 25 Jul 1997 11:41:40 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 04:23:52 EDT, you write:

<<
Liz,

Do you have access to a computer scanner that you could get a picture of
this penny and get it up on the web for everyone to see. I would be happy
to put it on my web site and give you the proper credit.

Bert
>>

I don't have access to a scaner..but I do have a camera....I have been
planing on photographing my collection. I can send you a picture of this
pennie..both sides...and you could do the scanning...
BTW, now that I remember the machine didn't take pennies...there was a tube
at the top of the machine containing what looked like pennies...so it only
cost you $0.50, not the usual $0.51.... :) If I remember anything
else..i'll let you all know...
Liz

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From: Pete Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New TEC News
Date: 24 Jul 1997 16:24:00 PDT

I'm with you, Willy.
If they do care about the squished community, they wouldn't show it at the
price of $20 or whatever. Not to be tooting horns, but I feel if the SPM
newsletter, the Centinel, is worth well over its cover price of free, so what
do THEY give you for your $20? I have a feeling the only "memory" I'll have
is that of the $20 that I squandered by joining them.

Pete
proud TEC #2110

William C. Massey wrote:
>
> Chris Aahz wrote:
> >
> > > > He also mentions a new elongate club in Virginia, but doesn't give
any contact
> > >
> > > That would be Copper Memories. They make the vending type machines for
> >
> > Not that I doubt you, Willy. But do you know this for sure, or
> > are just assuming based on location?
>
> This is FACT! I received thier flyer in the mail last week... It's now
> in my circular file with the rest of my annoying junk mail.
>
> --Willy

I feel the need to reply to my own message and explain my seemingly
harsh remarks:
Copper Memories is listed as grossing over $2.5 million annually, at the
expense of our elongated collecting community. They are well aware of
TEC, yet instead of aiding collectors by publishing their informaion in
the TEC Newsletter (free of charge), they feel the need to milk us out
of money just so that we can find their machines and BUY their
products.

--Willy

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From: Pete Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com>
Subject: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Jul 1997 16:18:00 PDT

Oh, I'm sure you'll find plenty o' traffic here! Welcome back to collecting.

Pete

Hi,
I've just subscribed to this list. Just wanted to say "hello".
I've been collecting for, oh, around 10 years now. I haven't been very
active lately, though maybe this list will help. Well, that's all for
now. I hope to see some traffic here.

Matt Birchard
TEC# 1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail: psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) CounterStamped URL
Date: 25 Jul 1997 11:46:12 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 03:17:45 EDT, you write:

<<
Liz And All,

The location of this machine appears to be at URL:

http://www.sisna.com/vernal/

I will pursue (that's what we Location Keepers do, pursue) this and see
where it leads...
>>
Yup....that is the place...go to the Dinosaur Gardens link...that is the
place...The machine is right outside the gift shop! It's kinda neet...I was
there 2 years ago and now I can go back and vist any old day! Gota love the
web!

Liz

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Utah Dinoasur stamped pennie
Date: 25 Jul 1997 11:46:48 -0400

Wow! A tube! That sounds pretty neat. Has anyone else seen a machine
like that one?
I would be curious to see what it looks like.

- Jeff

At 11:41 AM 7/25/97 -0400, Egd9020@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 97-07-25 04:23:52 EDT, you write:
>
><<
> Liz,
>
> Do you have access to a computer scanner that you could get a picture of
> this penny and get it up on the web for everyone to see. I would be happy
> to put it on my web site and give you the proper credit.
>
> Bert
> >>
>
>I don't have access to a scaner..but I do have a camera....I have been
>planing on photographing my collection. I can send you a picture of this
>pennie..both sides...and you could do the scanning...
>BTW, now that I remember the machine didn't take pennies...there was a tube
>at the top of the machine containing what looked like pennies...so it only
>cost you $0.50, not the usual $0.51.... :) If I remember anything
>else..i'll let you all know...
>Liz
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New TEC News
Date: 25 Jul 1997 11:47:53 -0400

What if one person buys it and then puts the thing on the mailing list?

- Jeff
At 04:24 PM 7/24/97 PDT, you wrote:
>I'm with you, Willy.
>If they do care about the squished community, they wouldn't show it at the
>price of $20 or whatever. Not to be tooting horns, but I feel if the SPM
>newsletter, the Centinel, is worth well over its cover price of free, so
what
>do THEY give you for your $20? I have a feeling the only "memory" I'll have
>is that of the $20 that I squandered by joining them.
>
>Pete
>proud TEC #2110
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
>William C. Massey wrote:
>>
>> Chris Aahz wrote:
>> >
>> > > > He also mentions a new elongate club in Virginia, but doesn't give
>any contact
>> > >
>> > > That would be Copper Memories. They make the vending type machines for
>> >
>> > Not that I doubt you, Willy. But do you know this for sure, or
>> > are just assuming based on location?
>>
>> This is FACT! I received thier flyer in the mail last week... It's now
>> in my circular file with the rest of my annoying junk mail.
>>
>> --Willy
>
>I feel the need to reply to my own message and explain my seemingly
>harsh remarks:
>Copper Memories is listed as grossing over $2.5 million annually, at the
>expense of our elongated collecting community. They are well aware of
>TEC, yet instead of aiding collectors by publishing their informaion in
>the TEC Newsletter (free of charge), they feel the need to milk us out
>of money just so that we can find their machines and BUY their
>products.
>
>--Willy
>
>
>
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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Naming the Owl
Date: 25 Jul 1997 09:02:55 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:

> I also don't know if the Owl has a name, other than Athena's Owl. It's
> the same as the one on the Athenian Tetradrachm of ancient Greece. In
> their mythology, the owl flew around the world every night gathering
> news of what was happening.

Wow! Yet again I get an answer before asking the question. I
just saw an ad for a book on ancients and there was the TEC Owl on the
cover!! Okay, okay, it was a picture of the Athenian Tetradrachm, but I
didn't know that when I saw the ad last night. Anyone know how expensive
these coins are? I'd like to add one to my collection of TEC coins.

> If we don't have a name for it, I suggest a contest to NAME THE OWL.
> No, don't put your ideas on the net immediately in a rush of
> enthusiasm! To give all TEC members a chance, it must be done through
> announcement in _TEC News_, with definite dates for start and finish. I
> would be glad to serve as the contest chairman and would take input by
> any means (E-Mail, SnailMail, Pony Express...). The Board could serve
> as the judges.

Well, I decided on a name for him last night, but will hold off
announcing my choice. Bob's got a great idea here. Perhaps someone
attending the meeiting could bring it up there. I have also forwarded
Bob's message to both Corey and Rocky.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 25 Jul 1997 09:05:53 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> 74 cents. Whoa. I guess I should count how many I have. Where's the
> current list again?
>
> - Jeff

David Tomita's new web page for the Disneyland pressed pennies is:

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/3599

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Copper Memories
Date: 25 Jul 1997 09:13:56 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Pete Morelewicz wrote:

> I'm with you, Willy.
> If they do care about the squished community, they wouldn't show it at the

They're a corp. By definition they care not about any community
except the community of numbers on their bottom line.

> price of $20 or whatever. Not to be tooting horns, but I feel if the SPM
> newsletter, the Centinel, is worth well over its cover price of free, so what
> do THEY give you for your $20?

The Centinel is worth FAR more than its cover price, Pete!

> I have a feeling the only "memory" I'll have
> is that of the $20 that I squandered by joining them.

Personally, I think we should buy one 'membership' and then we
can simply share the information. I'm all for philosphical points.
Hell, I boycott all kinds of business because thier goal is to rip
someone off, but I still think the information is valuable. If we really
want to hurt them, the way to do so would be to not only refrain from
joining their 'club', but to stop buying their pennies and encourage
others to not do so. If anyone's not willing to go that far, then I
think we need the information. Now, all I need is that address...

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 25 Jul 1997 12:28:11 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 01:00:37 EDT, you write:

> Well, then that would be a counter-stamp. I've never heard of a
> counterstamping machine before. Anyone else seen these anywhere?
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>

Yes, I have one from the Hoover Dam. It was made in a screw press while I
waited. The machine produced a "token" a little larger in diameter and about
a third less the thickness of a cent. Neat machine! Very high quality
"token".

Location: On the opposite side of the dam from the tour site. Located in
front of a small tourist shop (the only tourist shop), an easy walk from the
dam.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033

P.S. No, sorry, I didn't get any trades. Man, I wish I had and next time I'm
there I surely will. At the time, I didn't know people traded elongateds!
(Opps, called myself stupid twice in one paragraph! Better get back to work
and let someone else takeover that job. :-)

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 25 Jul 1997 12:28:05 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 04:27:19 EDT, you write:

> I've heard that Eurolink won't even consider a location unless foot
> traffic is 3 million per year! For the other makers... I have no Idea.
>

When in Cambria, CA this last week, I asked many merchants if they had a
machine. Some said that a salesman had been through looking to locate a
machine in their shop. The merchants said they didn't have the "space" for
one! I didn't ask the name of the company or if it was a "share" program
or outright sale.

I doubt that Eurolink would place a machine there. I don't think the town
even has a fast food resturant! Although it is a very nice community.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 25 Jul 1997 12:30:35 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 09:28:15 EDT, you write:

> 74 cents. Whoa. I guess I should count how many I have. Where's the
> current list again?
>

Dave's page is a good one at:

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/3599/

Maybe another member of the list could add another site?

-Bob Hoff
TEC# 2033

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Utah, Dino Machine
Date: 25 Jul 1997 09:50:01 -0700 (PDT)

Just got off the phone with the folks at the Dinosaur Museum in
Vernal, UT. According to the girl I spoke with the machine produces a
half-dollar size token and the cost is $1.00. She did not have the
name/contact info of the company, but promised to leave that info on my
voice mail later today. If she comes thru then I will post the info
tonight.

Don't know if this is actually the same machine that we've been
talking about, but it's the only one they've got int the park according
to the girl I spoke with (although she didn't seem incredibly
knowledgeable about many things).

The address of the museum is:

Dinosaur Museum
235 E. Main
Vernal, UT 84078

I called the 800 number listed on their web page (800) 845-DINO,
but the direct number to the museum itself is (801) 789-3799.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 25 Jul 1997 09:53:38 -0700 (PDT)

With all thius discussion of how much traffic Eurolink requires
in order to install a machine, I just have to wonder how the little town
of Solvang, CA managed to get three of them!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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On Fri, 25 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-07-25 04:27:19 EDT, you write:
>
> > I've heard that Eurolink won't even consider a location unless foot
> > traffic is 3 million per year! For the other makers... I have no Idea.
> >
>
> When in Cambria, CA this last week, I asked many merchants if they had a
> machine. Some said that a salesman had been through looking to locate a
> machine in their shop. The merchants said they didn't have the "space" for
> one! I didn't ask the name of the company or if it was a "share" program
> or outright sale.
>
> I doubt that Eurolink would place a machine there. I don't think the town
> even has a fast food resturant! Although it is a very nice community.
>
>
> -Bob Hoff
> TEC#2033
>
>

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From: Matthew Birchard <psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 25 Jul 1997 10:32:34 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Pete Morelewicz wrote:

> Oh, I'm sure you'll find plenty o' traffic here! Welcome back to collecting.
>
> Pete

My god yes! This is not the only list I'm on, as I've said, but this
list is by FAR the most active. Let's see, I deleted 54 messages last
night. Keep'em coming!

Matt Birchard
TEC #1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail: psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 25 Jul 1997 10:49:07 -0700

Greetings,

Let's see, the exact locations of those 3 Solvang machines would be:

Macine #1 ______
Macine #2 ______
Macine #3 ______

Location Keeper

On 7/25/97 9:53 AM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

> With all thius discussion of how much traffic Eurolink requires
>in order to install a machine, I just have to wonder how the little town
>of Solvang, CA managed to get three of them!
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: (elongates) The final WDW set amounts
Date: 25 Jul 1997 13:50:14 -0400

(Sorry to send this to the list -- I can't remember off the top of my
head who is getting the sets)

Here's the rundown for WDW penny sets:

201 * .50 = 105.50 + 50.00 (for Al) = $<bold>155.50</bold>/set

If you don't send me pennies - then it will cost you 201*.01 = $2.01
extra for a total of $<bold>157.51</bold>/set.

My address:

Jeff Dixon

422 Mystic Ave #404

Somerville, MA 02145

I'll eat the cost of extra shipping - as long as it stays inexpensive.
We'll have to see.

Lets try to send out the package to Big Al a week from now. If there are
people that can't come up with the money

before then, please e-mail me.

- Jeff

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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com

Software Engineer

Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com

411 Waverley Oaks Road

Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: My articl in new TEC News (fwd)
Date: 25 Jul 1997 12:45:03 -0700

Greetings,

I want to express my strong support for TEC News publishing articles on
the changing nature of our hobby - specifically the elongated information
(via electronic communications) many of us are using.

The computer is basically a communications tool, as is a letter or a
phone. Through email, web pages and listservs we are bringing our
discussions of elongates into a more real time world, the way we all work
and live. As a collector, I want to have a ready source of information
(and experience) that I can consult for new locations, info on older
coins, help in finding engravers, etc. The worldwide web, and email, are
providing new capabilities for us to share our experience AND to archive
it, so that new people coming into our hobby can see a wealth of
information.

I used ...'s Bulletin Board to learn many things about the hobby
and to find other collectors (both in TEC and outside) that I could talk
to, and trade with. Now we have Chris Aahz's Mailing List, various
Location Keeper's Web Sites, Kathy's Web Site + BBoard, and email
communications.

These new electronic tools are bringing new members into TEC and into the
hobby. I have received emails from people that were searching the net for
Disneyland sites and found my Disneyland Smashed Coin page. They had no
idea others were out there collecting and trading. I get emails all the
time saying "I thought I was eccentric for collecting these, but now I
found out there are many others out there..."

Just after joining TEC (#2095) I wrote to Howard Sharkey (TEC Secretary)
to ask for a template so that I could write an article (Yup, on the new
electronic forms of sharing and growing our hobby). Chris beat me to it
and did a better job! I also asked Howard about publishing (with each
members permission) TEC member's email addresses (in the TEC NEWS) so we
can communicate much faster than regular mail (which I find is both
slower and more time consuming).

In no way do I want to overwhelm any current TEC members. But well
written articles that explain what email, worldwide web and listserv's
can do, how they work, etc are the best way to share with non-online
members what is going on. I'd love to see a full page of TEC NEWS opened
up to electronic articles (background pieces, interesting stories, how
to's, etc). Example: Recently a famous artist was at my Smashed Coin
Locator site and found some information that lead them to order some dies
from another TEC member. That means 2 new issues will be coming out
because 2 web sites showed someone how to get started. I'd love to have
these kinds of stories shared across the entire TEC membership.

The communications channels (web, email...) are NOT the message, they are
the messenger. Articles cover the content of what is available is what
will be of most interest to all TEC members (in my humble opinion).
Everyone with an email address also has a US Postal address and these
could be included to help TEC members not online communicate with those
that are.

Many people have helped me getting my collection going. Most of this help
has been via email, web pages and Chris' Mailing List. I hope we can take
the best of these information channels and repurpose the content into TEC
NEWS so that all TEC members can benefit. I remain dedicated to TEC and
will continue working hard to bring in new members (via my web site and
all other means).

Bert Creighton
TEC #2095

On 7/24/97 12:35 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>
> For those of you who enjoyed my article and wondered why it was
>not printed, here is the unsolicited reason from Corey Wylde, TEC
>editor. It's pretty much what I thought.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
>The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
>List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
>Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
>"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:29:11 -0400 (EDT)
>From:WSons@aol.com
>To: aahz@svpal.org
>Subject: Re: New TEC News
>
>Chris- Thanks for the kudos. I believe you have an article pending on various
>elongated internet sites. I did not use it this issue because I didn't want
>to overwhelm our non-electronic members with barrels full of cyberspace. They
>have been the backbone of this club for years and are still the majority. The
>trend is changing tho. If you have any more sites to add to your artilce
>between now and the 1st of September, send them in.
>
>-Corey
>
>PS I''ll try to squeeze the owl in somewhere beginning with the January
>issue.

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Utah, Dino Machine
Date: 25 Jul 1997 22:27:51 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 17:36:09 EDT, you write:

<<
Just got off the phone with the folks at the Dinosaur Museum in
Vernal, UT. According to the girl I spoke with the machine produces a
half-dollar size token and the cost is $1.00. She did not have the
name/contact info of the company, but promised to leave that info on my
voice mail later today. If she comes thru then I will post the info
tonight.

Don't know if this is actually the same machine that we've been
talking about, but it's the only one they've got int the park according
to the girl I spoke with (although she didn't seem incredibly
knowledgeable about many things).
>>
This is not the machine I used....my utah pennie is definatly pennie sized..
Maybe this is not the place I got my pennie at..or maybe they got a new
machine! It didn't cost a dollar either!
Liz

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Naming the Owl
Date: 25 Jul 1997 22:35:53 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
> Anyone know how expensive
> these coins are? I'd like to add one to my collection of TEC coins.

Around $400 and up. You can get a crummy one for less but you get what
you pay for. Don't forget, these large silver coins are about 2400
years old!

Bob

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Digest version coming soon!!
Date: 25 Jul 1997 20:06:28 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:

> My god yes! This is not the only list I'm on, as I've said, but this
> list is by FAR the most active. Let's see, I deleted 54 messages last
> night. Keep'em coming!

Fifty-Four!! Ack. For those of you who feel bogged down by all
these messages, a digest version of the list is coming soon. I
promise!! This will mean you get one or two messages a day that contains
a large number of messages. Perfect for those who read more then they
post or who have limits on their e-mail traffic.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 25 Jul 1997 20:07:55 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Let's see, the exact locations of those 3 Solvang machines would be:

...filled in if I knew them. I have three different Solvang
coins in my collection. All rolled on recent coins. Solvang is one of
my planned stops on the trip to DL, so will provide details then.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: My articl in new TEC News (fwd)
Date: 25 Jul 1997 20:16:52 -0700 (PDT)

Bert made some great points regarding the merger of modern
communications and elongate collecting. Perhaps we could establish an
internet/computer column in TEC News as a regular feature. The column
could address what is happening each month as well as cover the basics
that Bert mentioned.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 25 Jul 1997 20:25:07 -0700

Aahz,

Thanks for help on the Solvang coins. Also, (whoa, we are having an
earthquake here in San Diego! Hold on a second... Well, that was
exciting! Pictures are now off center, and the dog is barking, but all
else OK.) You should check the Madonna Inn. They had a machine and I bet
it is still there. They may have more than one, so please ask them and
get an extra of each (including Solvang) for me so I can scan them and
get them on the Locator. I will bring trade coins to DL on the 7th.

Thanks!

bc

On 7/25/97 8:07 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

> ...filled in if I knew them. I have three different Solvang
>coins in my collection. All rolled on recent coins. Solvang is one of
>my planned stops on the trip to DL, so will provide details then.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Naming the Owl
Date: 25 Jul 1997 20:23:39 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:

> Chris Aahz wrote:
> > Anyone know how expensive
> > these coins are? I'd like to add one to my collection of TEC coins.
>
> Around $400 and up. You can get a crummy one for less but you get what
> you pay for. Don't forget, these large silver coins are about 2400
> years old!

The one I saw certainly didn't look silve, maybe it's a different
coin. I saw the picture in the Numismatic News of July 22, pages 29 and
31. I don't need one in great shape, just one w/ the owl visible. I
know that I see some ancients going for a couple bucks each, so I was
hopeful.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Utah, Dino Machine
Date: 25 Jul 1997 20:34:08 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997 Egd9020@aol.com wrote:

> This is not the machine I used....my utah pennie is definatly pennie sized..
> Maybe this is not the place I got my pennie at..or maybe they got a new
> machine! It didn't cost a dollar either!
> Liz

Down Liz, we believe you 8-) As I said, the girl I spoke with
was not very bright. When did you get your penny?
BTW, I never got the promised call back either. I had a feeling
that I'd be forgotten as soon as the phone was put down. If someone else
would like to try, please do. I am much better in text then on the phone.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: ... <...>
Subject: (elongates) Digest version, WDW coins etc.
Date: 25 Jul 1997 22:36:19 -0500

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Whew! Thanks! I was going to ask if "Digesting" was possible.

I want to thank Bert for that nice message of support for our "on-line =
only" collectors. I would have never known about the TEC or other =
collectors if I didn't have my Internet and E-mail. It's faster and more =
fun! I don't like to wait for the newsletter that only comes 4 times a =
year to hear about our hobby! I'm all for a special section for the =
"Internet'ers". What ever happened to a listing of all TEC members' =
email addresses?

Congratulations to those who have committed to getting the Disney World =
collection. I'm jealous! If I had the extra cash right now.....but I =
just got a bigger monitor and owe CompUSA my next paycheck!
How did y'all hear about getting the WDW coins? (I was out of commission =
with broken e-mail around that time.)
Does anyone know how long elongated coins have been available at the =
Disney Parks? I don't remember seeing them there 12 years ago.

If anyone has an extra Pooh coin....I'll trade 2 for 1 or purchase it =
from them.

...
trueWeb Design
...
http://www.truewebdesign.com

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Sent: Friday, July 25, 1997 3:06 PM

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:

> My god yes! This is not the only list I'm on, as I've said, but this=20
> list is by FAR the most active. Let's see, I deleted 54 messages last =

> night. Keep'em coming!

Fifty-Four!! Ack. For those of you who feel bogged down by all=20
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post or who have limits on their e-mail traffic.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) How to access List archives
Date: 25 Jul 1997 20:44:51 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

For those of you who are new (or sorta new) to the list and those
who may have missed something, I have finally learned how to access the
list archives and will share that info with all of you. Ain't I sweet ;)

Okay, first, you send a message to Majordomo@XMission.com with
'index elongates' in the body. You will receive an automated response
that looks something like this:

>>>> index elongates
.:
total 2
drwxrwxr-x 2 vmphntr domo 512 Jul 1 08:33 archive

./archive:
total 1244
-rw-r--r-- 1 domo domo 95345 Jun 30 13:13 elongates.9706
-rw-r--r-- 1 domo domo 526267 Jul 25 21:19 elongates.9707

Decide which one you want and send the message:

get elongates archive/FILENAME

to majordomo@xmission.com, replacing FILENAME with the name of the
file you want (ie. elongates.9706). It will be e-mailed to you.

Remember, this is a UNIX system so things are case sensitive and that's a
forward slash!

That's all there is to it!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Keith Diehl wrote:

> Here's what works for my list:
>
> Send the message
>
> index montgomery_boats
>
> to majordomo@xmission.com. You will receive a list of archive file names via
>
>
>
>
> ----------
> > From: Scot Denhalter <sdenhalt@xmission.com>
> > To: 'xmlistadmin@xmission.com'
> > Subject: Can't "Get" an archived file
> > Date: Friday, July 25, 1997 12:32 PM
> >
> > I keep getting turned down by majordomo when I post the get command.
> >
> > I am following the prescribed command form: <get demo-list demo-list.9611>
> > I am posting the command as: <get lds-research lds-research.9706>
> > But I get back a response that tells me: <get: invalid file
> 'lds-research.9706' for list 'lds-research'.>
> >
> > I assume the filename is correct. I got that from an "index" command as:
> >
> > total 2
> > drwxrwxr-x 2 sdenhalt domo 512 Jul 1 14:48 archive
> >
> > ./archive:
> > total 198
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 domo domo 54399 Jul 1 14:08 lds-research.9706
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 domo domo 46063 Jul 17 12:27 lds-research.9707
> >
> >
> > What am I doing wrong?
> >
> > Scot
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Digest version, WDW coins etc.
Date: 25 Jul 1997 20:57:13 -0700 (PDT)

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On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, ... wrote:

> Whew! Thanks! I was going to ask if "Digesting" was possible.

Actually, thank Bert. He brought it up about a month ago, I
forgot, and he recently brought it up again. I sent a message to
xmission support last night and got no response today. I doubt I'll hear
anythng over the weekend, so won't have anything else to report 'til
Monday at the earliest. If I haven't heard by Monday night, I'll send
another message and start harrassing other people there as well. My goal
at the moment is the end of the week.

Anyone considering quitting the list due to high traffic, please
give me a week! That's all I ask.

>
> I want to thank Bert for that nice message of support for our "on-line only" collectors. I would have never known about the TEC or other collectors if I didn't have my Internet and E-mail. It's faster and more fun! I don't like to wait for the newsletter that only comes 4 times a year to hear about our hobby! I'm all for a special section for the "Internet'ers". What ever happened to a listing of all TEC members' email addresses?

You just hit on my primary motivations for starting this list in
the first place. And, IMHO, it has been a screaming success thus far.

> How did y'all hear about getting the WDW coins? (I was out of commission with broken e-mail around that time.)

Bert found Big Al's website and asked the list if we thought $300
was a fair price for the set. Then others got involved, Big Al got
swamped with penny requests, and the rest is pretty obvious.

> Does anyone know how long elongated coins have been available at the Disney Parks? I don't remember seeing them there 12 years ago.

This is a VERY important question to me as well. The two
projects I currently have are cataloging the Lord's Prayer elongates and
working on publication of a Disney Elongates book (pamphlet, monograph,
whatever.)

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Digest version, WDW coins etc.
Date: 25 Jul 1997 21:08:19 -0700

Hi All,

On 7/25/97 8:36 PM ... (... ) wrote

>Whew! Thanks! I was going to ask if "Digesting" was possible.

The Digest will be a wonderful way to get the email in a compact form. I
use Claris eMailer which can search through my email and find key words,
so it also will allow me to (in effect) keep my own archive on my system.

>Does anyone know how long elongated coins have been available at the
>Disney Parks? I don't remember seeing them there 12 years ago.

Kathy, my sources at WDW and Disneyland say the machines have been at WDW
since 1995 and DL for the last 10 years. I have not asked about the
Disney Japan or France Parks (though they are not owned by Disney, per a
Cast Member I talked to recently).

>If anyone has an extra Pooh coin....I'll trade 2 for 1 or purchase it from
>them.

I have an extra Pooh and will be happy to trade. Please send me your
address and I will get it in the mail. Take Care

Bert

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Digest version, WDW coins etc.
Date: 25 Jul 1997 21:10:58 -0700

On 7/25/97 8:57 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

> Bert found Big Al's website and asked the list if we thought $300
>was a fair price for the set. Then others got involved, Big Al got
>swamped with penny requests, and the rest is pretty obvious.

I would love to take credit, was it was not me. Pete, Jeff, did one of
you find Big Al? Y'awl know Big Al is one of the Country Bear Jamboree
bears, yes?

bc

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Digest version, WDW coins etc.
Date: 25 Jul 1997 21:15:35 -0700

On 7/25/97 8:57 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

> This is a VERY important question to me as well. The two
>projects I currently have are cataloging the Lord's Prayer elongates and
>working on publication of a Disney Elongates book (pamphlet, monograph,
>whatever.)

Hey,

Talk to Willy, he can sell you a silver dime with the Lord's Prayer on
it. It sounds very cool and I am going to order a couple. I only have 1
smashed dime in my collection and would like to find the locations (Hmmm,
there goes Bert asking for Locations again!) of more dime machines.

FYI, I heard from Willy that Ray Dillard has denomination sets (gee, this
is starting to sound like a religion)... denomination sets with a half
dollar in them. MUST HAVE ONE! bc

3-)

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Bert on the Brain
Date: 25 Jul 1997 21:10:39 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> On 7/25/97 8:57 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote
>
> > Bert found Big Al's website and asked the list if we thought $300
> >was a fair price for the set. Then others got involved, Big Al got
> >swamped with penny requests, and the rest is pretty obvious.
>
> I would love to take credit, was it was not me. Pete, Jeff, did one of
> you find Big Al? Y'awl know Big Al is one of the Country Bear Jamboree
> bears, yes?

Ack! I've got Bert on the brain! I keep typing his name instead
of whoever I'm talking about. Fo r those of you who think there may be
something untoward causing this problem, it's not what you think: It's
actually got to do with a dog and a tire. 'Nuff said.

Jeff posted the first message! Sorry Jeff.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Digest version, WDW coins etc.
Date: 26 Jul 1997 00:20:10 -0700

Bert Creighton wrote:

> FYI, I heard from Willy that Ray Dillard has denomination sets (gee, this
> is starting to sound like a religion)... denomination sets with a half
> dollar in them. MUST HAVE ONE! bc

Check the TEC Newsletter: Denominational sets (including haves) of both
the ANA and TEC coins are availible either from Ray at the conventions,
or from TEC directly.

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Elongated dimes
Date: 25 Jul 1997 21:21:11 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> I only have 1
> smashed dime in my collection and would like to find the locations (Hmmm,
> there goes Bert asking for Locations again!) of more dime machines.

Well, denomination sets are not that uncommon. Willy also offers
a denomination set of his MCCC coins. Also, if you receheck the trade
list that Gina posted last night, you just may find a dime on there as well.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Road Trip: SF to DL
Date: 25 Jul 1997 21:39:00 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

Okay, as most of you know, the first ever Official Elongated Coin
Mailing List Meet and Trade-Fest will be happening Sunday, September 7th
at The Elongatedest Place on Earth: DISNEYLAND! Attendance WILL be taken
and I expect to see each and EVERY ONE OF YOU 8-) Ok, ok I'll be happy
to see whoever can make it.

Anywayz, this gives me the opportunity to take my first ever
elongated road trip. I'm planning on leaving the San Francisco Bay Area
sometime Friday morning and taking 101/1 sown to the LA area, collecting
all the way. Saturday is dedicated to collecting the LA area, Sunday is
the meet, and Monday I head north on I-5 continuing the hunt. What makes
me think the list cares about my travel plans? Well, I need your help.
(Wow, that's a shock).

I just tacked a brand new California map up on the wall and have
begun putting in pins at known machine locations (Morro Bay, Pismo Beach,
Santa Barbara, Madonna Inn, Harris Ranch, Solvang, and Buellton so far).
If you know of any other locations along my planned route please let me
know!! I intend to collect plenty of trade stock as well, so there are
benefits for everyone.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 26 Jul 1997 02:09:08 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 23:12:15 EDT, you write:

> ...filled in if I knew them. I have three different Solvang
> coins in my collection. All rolled on recent coins. Solvang is one of
> my planned stops on the trip to DL, so will provide details then.
>
I think there is one at the Pea Soup Anderson's also. Some in the plaza
near the town's main intersection, one near the big wind mill, a couple in
the alley near the wind mill, one almost infront of a gift shop called
Katrina's, one just down the "alley" in front of the toy store that has the
same owner as the gift shop (off the main drag in a "flag lot"). Think the
owner's name is Ray he will know of other locations too.

Hope it helps. It's been about a year since I was there.

Happy Collecting,
-Bob
TEC#2033

Man, I just re-read my directions on how to find the machines!! No wonder I
always get lost! :-(

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) The INTERNATIONAL Elongated Coin Mailing List
Date: 25 Jul 1997 23:12:00 -0700 (PDT)

I just had to share this with the list. We just went
international!! Yes, the first subscriber with a non-US e-mail address
has joined The Elongated Coin Mailing List. I'm not going to name names,
if they want to introduce themselves they will. But I was so excited I
just had to share.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Trent Schwartz <tschwart@uoguelph.ca>
Subject: (elongates) Where can I find a press?
Date: 26 Jul 1997 02:16:38 -0400 (EDT)

Hi there all!,

Driving home tonight from my job in a large tourist district, I came up
with a great idea! There are no coin presses in the area. I
could make some money by putting machines into area attractions. Maybe
just one or two at first, but then a whole series so
that people end up collecting them just like I've seen at Disney. I'm a
university student and I think it'd be a great way to keep
some money coming in. I would really like to get one set up by the end of
the summer - so I only have about a month to do so.
I'd be looking at putting the first one in the attraction I work at.
Perhaps they'd let me have the space for free at first. I know I
could sell at least 100 a day.

Can anyone let me in on where I can find such machines... Manual or
Automatic. And most importantly, what kind of costs am
I looking at here.

Thanks for any help you can provide me. Feel free to e-mail me.

Trent Schwartz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 25 Jul 1997 23:17:44 -0700 (PDT)

On Sat, 26 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-07-25 23:12:15 EDT, you write:
>
> > ...filled in if I knew them. I have three different Solvang
> > coins in my collection. All rolled on recent coins. Solvang is one of
> > my planned stops on the trip to DL, so will provide details then.
> >

> I think there is one at the Pea Soup Anderson's also.

I thought PSA was actually in Buellton. Not to be semantical or
anything. I realize they're practically within walking distance of each
other, but...

> Some in the plaza
> near the town's main intersection, one near the big wind mill, a couple in
> the alley near the wind mill, one almost infront of a gift shop called
> Katrina's, one just down the "alley" in front of the toy store that has the
> same owner as the gift shop (off the main drag in a "flag lot"). Think the
> owner's name is Ray he will know of other locations too.

Wow, that's five seperate locations, with 'some' listed for a
couple locations! Disneyland may soon be replaced as the most machine
populated area in California!

>
> Hope it helps. It's been about a year since I was there.
>
Absolutely!! Looks like I'll be spending some pretty derious
time in Solvang in Sept.

> Man, I just re-read my directions on how to find the machines!! No wonder I
> always get lost! :-(

Well I certainly wasn't going to comment on it Bob. I accept ANY
information, regardless of how convoluted.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Where can I find a press?
Date: 25 Jul 1997 23:57:42 -0700 (PDT)

On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, Trent Schwartz wrote:

> Hi there all!,

Hello Trent, and welcome to the list!

> Driving home tonight from my job in a large tourist district, I came up
> with a great idea! There are no coin presses in the area. I

Well, if I understand the Internic system properly, then the .ca
in your e-mail address means you're in Canada. If this is the case, then
the reason you don't see any machines in your area is because it is
illegal to 'deface' Canadian coins in any way, including elongating them.

> could make some money by putting machines into area attractions. Maybe
> just one or two at first, but then a whole series so
> that people end up collecting them just like I've seen at Disney. I'm a

Psssst...c'mere......
The first one's free.......
Muwahahahaha

Yep, that's exactly how I got started.

> Can anyone let me in on where I can find such machines... Manual or
> Automatic. And most importantly, what kind of costs am
> I looking at here.

Machines typically cost somewhere between $1000 and $4000. One
subscriber has spent many moons searching for a machine for under a grand.

Here's a few leads:

BKornoelje@aol.com has informed me that he is offering a machine,
two die rolls (containing 5 different designs), and a large stock of
coins for $2500.

From the classifieds of the most recent TEC News I learned that:

Rocky Rockholt (RockyRockholt@msn.com) offers coin-op machines
for $3200 plus shipping and Hand-cranked machines for $2195 plus shipping.

Bob Dubois has an "Antique Chrome Handcrank" for sale with two
designs from the 1939-40 San Francisco Golden Gate International
Exposition. No price given. (Phone: (707) 765-9781)

<<<If anyone finds out his price I'd like to know it!>>>

The previous issue of TEC News has:

Karen Morrison (P.O. Box 53, Victor, CO 80860-0053,
(719)689-2346) was offering an "Early Frank Brazzell brass hand-operated
elongating machine. On ornate custom built chrome stand with wheels
(disassembles). With 4 Frank Brazzell dies, one Adam J. Cool die and
lots of accessories. Great Condition. $2800.00"

The issue before THAT (We're talking January now):

Myles Romney (3919 Oliver Dr., Salt Lake City, UT 84124,
Phone:801-278-8252, FAX: 801-272-5848) was offering a one-year old
Brazzell machine (presumably the same model as above).

When you contact any of these people, you can always ask them if
they know of anyone else with machines available.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Naming the Owl
Date: 26 Jul 1997 04:35:23 -0700

Bob Fritsch wrote:
>
> I also don't know if the Owl has a name, other than Athena's Owl. It's
> the same as the one on the Athenian Tetradrachm of ancient Greece. In
> their mythology, the owl flew around the world every night gathering
> news of what was happening.
>
> If we don't have a name for it, I suggest a contest to NAME THE OWL.
> No, don't put your ideas on the net immediately in a rush of
> enthusiasm! To give all TEC members a chance, it must be done through
> announcement in _TEC News_, with definite dates for start and finish. I
> would be glad to serve as the contest chairman and would take input by
> any means (E-Mail, SnailMail, Pony Express...). The Board could serve
> as the judges.
>
> How about it, Mr. President?

Since Gus is not on line, I assume you were referring to Me... However,
you might be jumping the gun a bit.
Anyway, I'm not sure if the owl has a name either... That's a good
question for the TEC meeting.

If the owl doesn't have a name, and I do become president of TEC... Then
I say: Great Idea! And thanks for volunteering to chair the contest
committee.

Willy
TEC 1857

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Naming the Owl
Date: 26 Jul 1997 07:30:35 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
> I don't need one in great shape, just one w/ the owl visible. I
> know that I see some ancients going for a couple bucks each, so I was
> hopeful.

As an alternative, look in world coin junk boxes for the 1 and 2 Drachma
coins of Greece dated 1973. It depicts the owl and would cost you a
dime or a quarter or so. Might be fun to get a handful and roll them.

Many dealers at coin shows have these boxes. You would have to dig
through them to find the coins (DON'T ask the dealer, "Do you have this
coin in your junk box"!). After all, the chase is half the fun. Sal
Falcone in San Jose has loads of this stuff and might even be willing to
help you find them.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
TEC #1871
rfritsch@concentric.net

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Where can I find a press?
Date: 26 Jul 1997 08:31:32 -0700

Trent,

Welcome to our list! It is great to have you with us.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but as Aahz says it is illegal to
deface coins in Canada. I worked on this issue a couple of months ago and
found no legal way to smash coins.

Actually, Canadian Criminal Code, Chapter C-46, Part XII Offenses
Relating To Currency, Section 456 Defacing Current Coins reads:

"Everyone who (a) defaces a current coin, or (b) utters a current coin
that has been defaced, is guilty of an offense punishable on summary
conviction."

Sooo, you say, I could pay that parking ticket and not even worry about
it... BUT... the penalty is up to $2,000 and up to 2 years in prison. (I
wonder if they teach engraving in Canadian prisons 8-) )

Notice it says any current coin, not any Canadian coin. I'm not a lawyer,
but I would guess that means even US pennies... You could use copper
blanks, but that sort of removes the magic of converting a coin into a
treasure. I'm not sure about taking elongates into Canada, is that
"uttering." I missed school the day they taught uttering...

There have been some reports of 'rogue rollers' producing elongated coins
in Canada. If anyone ever finds any of their coins I would love to get 1
of each for my collection. In this one case I will not add them to the
Smashed Coin Locator.

So Trent, sorry for the way this turns out. My personal opinion is that
the engravers/designers are artists and I love to support artists. This
is not defacing coins in my way of looking at it. Hey, someone could say
the Mints are defacing copper from it's natural state (ever see the big
copper pits in the US Southwest?). I wish there was a way to change the
Canadian law. It is hard to think about some of our great
designers/artists in the same thought as "$2,000 fine/2 years jail."

Bert Creighton

On 7/25/97 11:16 PM Trent Schwartz (tschwart@uoguelph.ca ) wrote

>Driving home tonight from my job in a large tourist district, I came up
>with a great idea!

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From: Trent Schwartz <tschwart@uoguelph.ca>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Where can I find a press?
Date: 26 Jul 1997 11:37:20 -0400 (EDT)

Well, I actually _have_ seen one guy out there every day rolling pennies
by hand - so it seems that someone is doing it. I imagine he's using US
pennies which I couldn't see as being a problem. Most of the tourists in
the area are American any way so there's no big deal there. I'm going to
stop by today with my Canadian pennies and see if he'll smash them. I'll
also ask some 'naive' questions to guage the market these things get. I
was originally thinking of a coin operated press - but perhaps a hand
cranked one will do for now. I thought that I'd be able to get one for
under a grand. With the prices I've heard though I'm not really sure this
will happen this year. There's no question I would have done it if the
opportunity had presented itself at the beginning of the summer. But with
the busy season here a month from over, I'm just not sure.

Thanks for all the help guys,

Trent

On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Trent,
>
> Welcome to our list! It is great to have you with us.
>
> I hate to be the bearer of bad news but as Aahz says it is illegal to
> deface coins in Canada. I worked on this issue a couple of months ago and
> found no legal way to smash coins.
>
> Actually, Canadian Criminal Code, Chapter C-46, Part XII Offenses
> Relating To Currency, Section 456 Defacing Current Coins reads:
>
> "Everyone who (a) defaces a current coin, or (b) utters a current coin
> that has been defaced, is guilty of an offense punishable on summary
> conviction."
>
> Sooo, you say, I could pay that parking ticket and not even worry about
> it... BUT... the penalty is up to $2,000 and up to 2 years in prison. (I
> wonder if they teach engraving in Canadian prisons 8-) )
>
> Notice it says any current coin, not any Canadian coin. I'm not a lawyer,
> but I would guess that means even US pennies... You could use copper
> blanks, but that sort of removes the magic of converting a coin into a
> treasure. I'm not sure about taking elongates into Canada, is that
> "uttering." I missed school the day they taught uttering...
>
> There have been some reports of 'rogue rollers' producing elongated coins
> in Canada. If anyone ever finds any of their coins I would love to get 1
> of each for my collection. In this one case I will not add them to the
> Smashed Coin Locator.
>
> So Trent, sorry for the way this turns out. My personal opinion is that
> the engravers/designers are artists and I love to support artists. This
> is not defacing coins in my way of looking at it. Hey, someone could say
> the Mints are defacing copper from it's natural state (ever see the big
> copper pits in the US Southwest?). I wish there was a way to change the
> Canadian law. It is hard to think about some of our great
> designers/artists in the same thought as "$2,000 fine/2 years jail."
>
> Bert Creighton
>
>
>
> On 7/25/97 11:16 PM Trent Schwartz (tschwart@uoguelph.ca ) wrote
>
> >Driving home tonight from my job in a large tourist district, I came up
> >with a great idea!
>
>

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 26 Jul 1997 14:04:54 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-26 02:21:56 EDT, you write:

> I thought PSA was actually in Buellton. Not to be semantical or
> anything. I realize they're practically within walking distance of each
> other, but...
>
You're right. A short distance for an EC!! :-)

-Bob

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) pennie prices
Date: 26 Jul 1997 14:58:22 -0400 (EDT)

If anyone has a price guied for elongates, could you look up the value of the
following pennies....I want make an informed trade... Not that I don't trust
you Jeff...

Boston Museam of Science
T-Rex non-zinc
Space Shuttle with zinc

Also...I have another strainge elongate:

43rd ANNUAL CONVENTION / MANA /OCT 20-22 1995 /PENNSAUKEN, NJ.
The pennies is alined horizontaly with a circle in the midle. Inside the
circle is a horse's head, or maybe it is a Knight chess piece, and something
below it that looks like a plow maybe??? There is some greek writing in the
circle too.

If there is any info on this let me know!!
Liz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) pennie prices
Date: 26 Jul 1997 12:37:23 -0700 (PDT)

On Sat, 26 Jul 1997 Egd9020@aol.com wrote:

> If anyone has a price guied for elongates, could you look up the value of the
> following pennies....I want make an informed trade... Not that I don't trust
> you Jeff...

One of the great things about collecting elongates (IMHO) is that
there are no price guides. Most currently available elongated pennies
have an issue price of 50c, nickels 75c, and quarters $1.00. Trading
typically takes place on a one for one basis.
There have been four books published about elongates, all of
which included price guides, but the most recent one was published in
1991 and there have been literally thousands of designs rolled since
then. What prices these guides DO have are not necessarily accurate due
to the time that has passed since their publication.
Older elongates and limited edition issues often cost more than
50c and do not fit into the one-for-one trading basis. When these coins
are traded we must fall back to traditional collectibles pricing: what
the buyer is willing to pay and what the seller is willing to accept.

>
> Boston Museam of Science
> T-Rex non-zinc
> Space Shuttle with zinc

To the best of my knowledge the first two are currently available
and the third may be a few years old, but wouldn't demand much of a
premium.

> > Also...I have another strainge elongate:
>
> 43rd ANNUAL CONVENTION / MANA /OCT 20-22 1995 /PENNSAUKEN, NJ.
> The pennies is alined horizontaly with a circle in the midle. Inside the
> circle is a horse's head, or maybe it is a Knight chess piece, and something
> below it that looks like a plow maybe??? There is some greek writing in the
> circle too.

Many coin shows/conventions have elongates rolled to commemorate
them. Ray Dillard has become famous for doing this. Look at the top of
the coin, in the border. If there is a cursive RWD there then this is
one of Ray's. While these coins are obviously only rolled at the show in
question, they typically hold their 'currently available' pricing for
about 10-15 years. This is primarily because the majority of the coins
stay withing the collecting community and are thus readily available for
trade/purchase.

BTW, I collect coin show elongates and do not have this one. I
would be more than happy to trade for it. If you do not have my trade
list, let me know and I'll e-mail it to you.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) 1933 WF Elongate at eBay
Date: 26 Jul 1997 13:27:37 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

For the World's Fair collectors, there is a new 1933 World's Fair
elongate for auction at eBay. There are no specifics given on the coin,
so I don't know which design it is, but I thought I'd pass on the info.

> URL: http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=sds616

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Where can I find a press?
Date: 26 Jul 1997 13:35:14 -0700 (PDT)

On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, Trent Schwartz wrote:

>
> Well, I actually _have_ seen one guy out there every day rolling pennies
> by hand - so it seems that someone is doing it. I imagine he's using US
> pennies which I couldn't see as being a problem. Most of the tourists in
> the area are American any way so there's no big deal there. I'm going to
> stop by today with my Canadian pennies and see if he'll smash them.

If you pick up a few extras I'd be more then happy to trade for
one or two!

> On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> > There have been some reports of 'rogue rollers' producing elongated coins
> > in Canada. If anyone ever finds any of their coins I would love to get 1
> > of each for my collection. In this one case I will not add them to the
> > Smashed Coin Locator.

I have numerous elongates rolled on Canadian cents, but do not
know that any were actually rolled in Canada. Aside from anecdotal
experience or first hand knowledge, there is no way to tell for sure.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Penny sized foriegn coins
Date: 26 Jul 1997 13:38:07 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

I know we have a few people out there that collect traditional
coins as well. Can anyone compile a short list of foriegn coins that
could essentially pass for pennies? I've used Canadian pennies without a
problem in automated machines, but would like to try other coins. I just
don't jhave the time to search thru piles of references or dealer
collections to discover what might work. If someone collects World Coins
then they would be much farther down the road already.

What would be really interesting would be rolling a coin that was
holed at the mint!

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Penny sized foriegn coins
Date: 26 Jul 1997 14:03:18 -0700

Greetings,

I have been working on this and have not had great results. Most coins I
have tried do not fit in the slots (of automated machines). I'll try to
summarize my results and post them.

bc

On 7/26/97 1:38 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>Greetings and Salutations!
>
> I know we have a few people out there that collect traditional
>coins as well. Can anyone compile a short list of foriegn coins that
>could essentially pass for pennies? I've used Canadian pennies without a
>problem in automated machines, but would like to try other coins. I just
>don't jhave the time to search thru piles of references or dealer
>collections to discover what might work. If someone collects World Coins
>then they would be much farther down the road already.
>
> What would be really interesting would be rolling a coin that was
>holed at the mint!
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Canadian Law Online Reference
Date: 26 Jul 1997 14:10:35 -0700

If you are interested in Canadian law and want to see the section on
defacing coins, here's the starting point:

Canadian Criminal Code, Chapter C-46, Part XII Offenses
Relating To Currency, Section 456 Defacing Current Coins

http://insight.mcmaster.ca/org/efc/pages/law/cc/cc-text.html

Bert
Location Keeper/Law Librarian

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) pennie prices
Date: 26 Jul 1997 17:10:52 -0700

>
> > If anyone has a price guied for elongates, could you look up the value of the
> > following pennies....I want make an informed trade...

My Father once said: "One of my turds would be worth a millions dollars,
if I could just find someone with a million dollars that agreed with
me".
The bottom line is, elongated coins (as with anything else) are worth
whatever you are willing to pay for them. They are NOT generally
investment opportunities!

Like Chris said, most modern elongateds produced from open dies (not
limited editions) are issued for between 50 cents and a buck (much less
if purchased by the 100s).
Supply and Demand will determine a coin's ultimate monetary value,
though the enjoyment of owning a coin is what should be taken into
consideration when making a purchase.

Happy Collecting!
--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) pennie prices
Date: 26 Jul 1997 16:59:00 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Sat, 26 Jul 1997 Egd9020@aol.com wrote:
>
> > If anyone has a price guied for elongates, could you look up the value of the
> > following pennies....I want make an informed trade... Not that I don't trust
> > you Jeff...
>
> One of the great things about collecting elongates (IMHO) is that
> there are no price guides. Most currently available elongated pennies
> have an issue price of 50c, nickels 75c, and quarters $1.00. Trading
> typically takes place on a one for one basis.
> There have been four books published about elongates, all of
> which included price guides, but the most recent one was published in
> 1991 and there have been literally thousands of designs rolled since
> then. What prices these guides DO have are not necessarily accurate due
> to the time that has passed since their publication.
> Older elongates and limited edition issues often cost more than
> 50c and do not fit into the one-for-one trading basis. When these coins
> are traded we must fall back to traditional collectibles pricing: what
> the buyer is willing to pay and what the seller is willing to accept.
>
> >
> > Boston Museam of Science
> > T-Rex non-zinc
> > Space Shuttle with zinc
>
> To the best of my knowledge the first two are currently available
> and the third may be a few years old, but wouldn't demand much of a
> premium.
>

I'm pretty sure none of these three pennies are available anymore. The
Boston Museum of Science changes their dies about every 6 months or so
per their maintenance dept. They're due for a change pretty soon
then...

Ben Lavine mcsquare@erols.com

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Penny sized foriegn coins
Date: 26 Jul 1997 17:20:10 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:
>Can anyone compile a short list of foriegn coins that
> could essentially pass for pennies?

The best thing to do is visit your local coin shop or coin show. MANY
have "junk boxes" of foreign coins that are dirt cheep. Just have a
penny with you to size them up!
Even if you had the list that you asked for.... Finding a dealer with
that specific coin, and who is willing to dig for it, would be near
impossible. As you already know, circulated coins produce the best
reverses when placed in the "vending" type rolling machines... So, I
find it quite enjoyable to search through junk boxes, from time to time,
and pull out the coins that I think have the ideal toning to produce the
best elongated specimen possible--not a sight-unseen purchase.

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Road Trip: SF to DL
Date: 26 Jul 1997 18:36:21 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-26 00:44:03 EDT, you write:

<<
I just tacked a brand new California map up on the wall and have
begun putting in pins at known machine locations (Morro Bay, Pismo Beach,
Santa Barbara, Madonna Inn, Harris Ranch, Solvang, and Buellton so far).
If you know of any other locations along my planned route please let me
know!! I intend to collect plenty of trade stock as well, so there are
benefits for everyone.
>>
There is a coin machine at Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk. It is my very First
Coin! The unique thing about it is that it has writing on the back too. When
I was there..about 12-13 years ago the machine was in one of the archade
rooms. I hope this helps!
Liz

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Where can I find a press?
Date: 26 Jul 1997 18:36:36 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-26 11:28:52 EDT, you write:

<<
Trent,

Welcome to our list! It is great to have you with us.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but as Aahz says it is illegal to
deface coins in Canada. I worked on this issue a couple of months ago and
found no legal way to smash coins.

Actually, Canadian Criminal Code, Chapter C-46, Part XII Offenses
Relating To Currency, Section 456 Defacing Current Coins reads:

"Everyone who (a) defaces a current coin, or (b) utters a current coin
that has been defaced, is guilty of an offense punishable on summary
conviction."

>>
But you are not DEfacing a coin....you are REfacing a coin!!! :)
LIz

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Utah, Dino Machine
Date: 26 Jul 1997 18:36:37 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-26 14:44:37 EDT, you write:

<<
we believe you 8-) As I said, the girl I spoke with
was not very bright. When did you get your penny? >>

I got the pennie about 2 years ago..summer of '95.....the summer after I
graduated from highschool. I went on a cross-country trip to CA with my
dad....who now lives there! BTW Utah is beautiful!!!!
Liz

PS What the heck is TEC??

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) The INTERNATIONAL Elongated Coin Mailing List
Date: 26 Jul 1997 18:36:33 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-26 04:55:52 EDT, you write:

<<
I just had to share this with the list. We just went
international!! Yes, the first subscriber with a non-US e-mail address
has joined The Elongated Coin Mailing List. I'm not going to name names,
if they want to introduce themselves they will. But I was so excited I
just had to share.
>>
<Police Horn>
We want to see your trade list....we mean you no harm... just give us the
list and you are free to go.... :) :) :)
Finders Keepers!!!!
Welcome to America! Lets see what you got!
Liz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Road Trip: SF to DL
Date: 26 Jul 1997 15:59:13 -0700 (PDT)

On Sat, 26 Jul 1997 Egd9020@aol.com wrote:

> There is a coin machine at Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk. It is my very First
> Coin! The unique thing about it is that it has writing on the back too. When
> I was there..about 12-13 years ago the machine was in one of the archade
> rooms. I hope this helps!
> Liz
12-13 years ago? Is this the Popeye coin or the Coaster/Logo?
The current coin is the Coaster/Logo with the front saying "Santa Cruz
Beach Boardwalk" and the word Boardwalk large and shaped like a roller
coaster w/ a coaster car on the top. The reverseis tect only with
"Souvenir of..."

I've never seen the Popeye coin and only know about it because an
employee told me they used to have one.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Newest San Jose Machine
Date: 26 Jul 1997 17:17:06 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

On a tip from Bert, I cruised by Happy Hollow Petting Zoo in
Kelley Park right here in San Jose. Sure enough, Bert was not
hallucinating (this time ;) and there is a new San Francisco Penny
Machine Company machine there. The coin is probably the cutest souvenir
issue in my collection:

It's a horizontal with "Happy Hollow Park & Zoo" written in
lettering reminiscent of the big letters on the walls of a kindergarten.
There is a train with five cars and steam coming out of the engine
weaving its way across the top of the coin, four little critter
footprints at the bottom and a mouse wqith his tail going through the
'o's in zoo.

This is one of the machines where heads/tails is randomized due
to the coin freefalling onto the roller entrance. Hmm....what else.
It's the only machine at Kelley Park and has been there since "the
beginning of summer", so I'm cataloging it as June 1st.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Penny and DIME Machine location
Date: 27 Jul 1997 00:59:05 -0700 (PDT)

This is the first report I have ever seen of an elongated dime
machine. Anyone heading this way soon?

> Subject: Re: CanAm RADP Squished Coin Alert!
> From: dismusic@hotmail.com
> Date: 1997/07/07
> Message-Id: <868314491.30281@dejanews.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney.parks
> [11][More Headers]
>
>
> > The Floro Four-o just got back from trip to Niagara Falls and Toronto,
> > and we stopped at the Rainbow Outlet Mall (US side) on our way home.
> > Imagine the joy and/or surprise when I found a penny press *and* a dime
> > press!
> >
> > So, RADP folk who are planning to head north for the August meet, you
> > won't have to go squishie-less! <vbg>
>
> Don't worry!!! There's a squished coin press right on Clifton Hill - The
> Street of Fun At The Falls!
>
> Trent
>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: (elongates) Re: What the heck is TEC
Date: 27 Jul 1997 05:25:15 -0700

Egd9020@aol.com wrote:
>
> PS What the heck is TEC??

Hi Liz,
TEC is an acronym for The Elongated Collectors. They yet to have an
Official Web site, but I have info for them posted at:
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/tec.htm

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) 1933 WF Elongate at eBay
Date: 27 Jul 1997 06:42:38 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> Greetings and Salutations!
>
> For the World's Fair collectors, there is a new 1933 World's Fair
> elongate for auction at eBay. There are no specifics given on the coin,
> so I don't know which design it is, but I thought I'd pass on the info.
>
> > URL: http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=sds616

Personally, I'd have to think twice before paying $10 for ANY holed
elongated cent!

If anyone is really interested in the "oldies", I suggest writing to Ray
Dillard (TEC VP) for his HUGE list (the list does not depict the coins,
but it does site Martin-Dow codes).

--Willy

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From: David Shapiro <davidaaron@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: What the heck is TEC
Date: 27 Jul 1997 06:49:16 -0400

Willie: I got so interested in the TEC that I decided togo to your site
fillout the apllication and join.
Dave.

William C. Massey wrote:
>
> Egd9020@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > PS What the heck is TEC??
>
> Hi Liz,
> TEC is an acronym for The Elongated Collectors. They yet to have an
> Official Web site, but I have info for them posted at:
> http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/tec.htm
>
> --
> Elongatedly Yours,
>
> William C. Massey
> TEC #1857
>
> ********************************************
>
> P.S.
> Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
> http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Digest version, WDW coins etc.
Date: 27 Jul 1997 11:32:03 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-26 15:32:46 EDT, you write:

> FYI, I heard from Willy that Ray Dillard has denomination sets (gee, this
> is starting to sound like a religion)... denomination sets with a half
> dollar in them. MUST HAVE ONE! bc
>

I've heard tell of a Susan B. Anthony $1. EC.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Digest version, WDW coins etc.
Date: 27 Jul 1997 10:19:45 -0700

Greetings,

Is the Susan B. from Ray Dillard?

Bert

On 7/27/97 8:32 AM R0BERTH0FF@aol.com (R0BERTH0FF@aol.com ) wrote

>I've heard tell of a Susan B. Anthony $1. EC.
>
>-Bob Hoff
>TEC#2033

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) 1933 WF Elongate at eBay
Date: 27 Jul 1997 10:25:02 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

>
> Personally, I'd have to think twice before paying $10 for ANY holed
> elongated cent!

Well, when I posted the URL it was only at $3.00. Personally, i
don't think the chain hole detracts much from most designs. On some of
the older issues I think it actually gives it a little more character.

>
> If anyone is really interested in the "oldies", I suggest writing to Ray
> Dillard (TEC VP) for his HUGE list (the list does not depict the coins,
> but it does site Martin-Dow codes).

Does he charge for the list? How much?

For those who don't get TEC News, Ray's address is:

Ray Dillard
P.O. Box 161
Fenton, MI 48430

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Digest version, WDW coins etc.
Date: 27 Jul 1997 10:27:30 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 27 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> I've heard tell of a Susan B. Anthony $1. EC.

I've got one on its way to me as I write this. I won it at an
eBay auction from Tony Dinto. If you're really nice, I might let you see
it at Disneyland, Bert 8-)

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Road Trip: SF to DL
Date: 27 Jul 1997 13:10:09 -0000

Hey Chris,
I'm sure if you have these or not, but 2 machines are in Monterey and there
is also a machine at this place called Casa de Fruita. O.K. now where is
that. Let's see we were going N on the 5 and then headed E on the 152 and
it was before Gilroy. It is a big produce stand/store with gift shops,
petting zoo, train ride for kids. Casa de Fruita is not on the map (at
least this map i have), but it is there. Maybe you could hit it on your
return trip up the 5? or for future reference. Good Luck.

Gina
TEC #2109

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Elongated dimes
Date: 27 Jul 1997 13:31:00 -0000

>
> Well, denomination sets are not that uncommon. Willy also offers
> a denomination set of his MCCC coins. Also, if you receheck the trade
> list that Gina posted last night, you just may find a dime on there as
well.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

Yes I do have a smashed dime. Actually two. The is a machine in Cabazon
where the two giant dinosaurs are off of the 10 Frwy in San Bernardino, CA.
These dinosaurs were in a movie (Pee Wees Big Adventure) some time back.
Just a little trivia. This dime has a Tyrannasaurus Rex on it.

Also there is a smashed dime machine in LA on the city walk and is very
cool. It is from a store called "Things from another World" and has a
chess piece on it and web site address pressed on the back.

I have one of each for trade if anybody wants them.

Gina
TEC #2109
zinful@prodigy.net

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Digest version coming soon!!
Date: 27 Jul 1997 15:19:57 -0000

>
> > My god yes! This is not the only list I'm on, as I've said, but this
> > list is by FAR the most active. Let's see, I deleted 54 messages last
> > night. Keep'em coming!
>
> Fifty-Four!! Ack. For those of you who feel bogged down by all
> these messages, a digest version of the list is coming soon. I
> promise!! This will mean you get one or two messages a day that contains

> a large number of messages. Perfect for those who read more then they
> post or who have limits on their e-mail traffic.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris >

I hadn't logged on for about a day and half and I had 86 messages today. I
didn't mind. Although most as you know are repeated messages.
Gina

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Elongated dimes
Date: 27 Jul 1997 17:20:39 -0700

Greetings,

I would like to trade for the 2 dimes. I have a great quarter from San
Francisco (one of my favorite coins) and another quarter from the Polar
Bear Plunge at the San Diego Zoo (showing a Bear diving head first into
the pool). Has anyone spoken for these dimes?

Chris said you may be joining us at Disneyland. I hope you can make it.

Thanks!

Bert

On 7/27/97 6:31 AM zinful (zinful@prodigy.net ) wrote

>Yes I do have a smashed dime. Actually two. The is a machine in Cabazon
>where the two giant dinosaurs are off of the 10 Frwy in San Bernardino, CA.
> These dinosaurs were in a movie (Pee Wees Big Adventure) some time back.
>Just a little trivia. This dime has a Tyrannasaurus Rex on it.
>
>Also there is a smashed dime machine in LA on the city walk and is very
>cool. It is from a store called "Things from another World" and has a
>chess piece on it and web site address pressed on the back.
>
>I have one of each for trade if anybody wants them.
>
>Gina
>TEC #2109
>zinful@prodigy.net

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Research Help
Date: 27 Jul 1997 17:26:12 -0700

Greetings All,

I need some research help on elongated penny from Hawaii. The coin holder
has the reference 2EL-35A. Can anyone help with this reference?

Thanks

Bert

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) SBA's etc.
Date: 27 Jul 1997 20:53:29 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-27 13:17:43 EDT, you write:

> Greetings,
>
> Is the Susan B. from Ray Dillard?
>
> Bert
>
> On 7/27/97 8:32 AM R0BERTH0FF@aol.com (R0BERTH0FF@aol.com ) wrote
>
> >I've heard tell of a Susan B. Anthony $1. EC.
> >
> >-Bob Hoff
> >TEC#2033
>

Don't know. Just heard.

Just a thought, maybe we could have a contest of the oddest or bigest etc.
EC?
There must be some very unusual ones out there!

-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Road Trip: SF to DL
Date: 27 Jul 1997 20:53:54 -0400 (EDT)

Hi;

Please add to your locations:

In Monterey, as of two weeks ago...

I know of one machine at Fisherman's warf. About 1/2 way out on the warf on
the right hand side. (If you collect tokens, be sure to stop into the Custom
House. They have just added them.)

One at a gift shop that specializes in "desk top waterfalls" on the main
drag, "up the hill" from the warf, not too far from Taco Bell on the left
side. Worth the walk. One of the nicest EC's I found in Monterey.

Cannery Row has a few also. You can walk there on the pathway from
Fisherman's Warf. Nice, walk about one mile or so.

P.S. The Morro Bay machines may not be available before 11AM. But the
cinnamon roll shop is open at 7:30 :-) (They are as close to The Rock as
you can get and still be on dry land :-)

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Research Help
Date: 27 Jul 1997 18:02:42 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> I need some research help on elongated penny from Hawaii. The coin holder
> has the reference 2EL-35A. Can anyone help with this reference?

Well, I can help tell you what they're not. Martin-Dow's
"Yesterday's Elongateds" uses a coding system based on location so any
Hawaii issue would be HAWxxx, so it's not from there. And I believer
Rosato uses designer name (also three letters), so it's probably not from
there either. Possibly either Dottie Dow's or Lee Martin's books that
they wrote solo? I've never sen these so don't have a clue. Most likely
it's a dealer code of some time.

Can you describe the coin for us?

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Oddest/Biggest
Date: 27 Jul 1997 18:08:10 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 27 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> Just a thought, maybe we could have a contest of the oddest or bigest etc.
> EC?
> There must be some very unusual ones out there!

Well, the oddest/largest so far in my collection must be a 1966
British Half Penny. When elongated it's about the same size as an
elongated Half Dollar (I've seen 'em although I don't have any). It's
actually a Brazzell roll with a star and "Star/Silent/Studier". The
design is pretty mundane, but the reverse is gorgeous with an old sailing
ship on it.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Road Trip: SF to DL
Date: 27 Jul 1997 18:10:28 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 27 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> P.S. The Morro Bay machines may not be available before 11AM. But the
> cinnamon roll shop is open at 7:30 :-) (They are as close to The Rock as

Fortunately, I'm not available at 7:30 am. I doubt I'll make it
to Morro Bay before 11. And if I do I'll simply remove the fur from my
tire and knock on the door 'til they let me in or the machines come out 8-)

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: (elongates) Smashing Dimes
Date: 27 Jul 1997 22:18:35 -0400

Where is it in the rules that you cannot run a dime through a penny
machine? Sure, the rollers should be adjusted a bit to take the
thinness of the dime, but I have gotten pretty good results with some
penny machines that are set a little too tight.

If there is a large margin between the design and the pointy end, that
machine is probably a good candidate for a dime. Try it, you'll like
it!

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
rfritsch@concentric.net

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) SD Padres + Maryland Coin Update
Date: 27 Jul 1997 22:30:43 -0700

Greetings All,

I was at a San Diego Padre's game yesterday (yes, they won!) and walked
the entire stadium looking for the hand-cranked machines I had found
earlier. No luck. I finally went to the Customer Service desk and they
said the machines were popular at the beginning of the season, and then
things tapered off. (Guess you hit a saturation point and should get some
new designs!!!). Wish I had gotten some trade stock before they folded.

One other update. I just received a penny from a friend on the East Coast
(of the US that is). It says "Annapolia Maryland" and has a crab in the
center. It is horizontal and doesn't show much zinc. No further location
was available -- BUT I'M WORKING ON IT! 8-) Willy, do you have any info
on this one?

Have a great week everyone!

Bert

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SD Padres + Maryland Coin Update
Date: 27 Jul 1997 22:58:44 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> (of the US that is). It says "Annapolia Maryland" and has a crab in the
^

I'm assuming this is a typo. No, I'm not being persnickety. It
makes a difference.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Spelling Counts!
Date: 27 Jul 1997 23:27:09 -0700

OK,

I accept the B+ grade on this report for missing the spelling 8-(

YES, it is very important, sorry for rushing the report out. FYI -- There
was a single day at Disneyland when they had a machine that was putting
out 101 Dalmatian coins (Cruella De Vil, Pongo & Perdita, Dalmatian
puppy) and they spelled it as Dalmations. Those are rare coins indeed!
Sooo, sorry for the typo.

Hey, anyone else have any coins where the spelling is wrong? (Sounds like
the start of a very short thread...)

bc

On 7/27/97 10:58 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>
>On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
>> (of the US that is). It says "Annapolia Maryland" and has a crab in the
> ^
>
> I'm assuming this is a typo. No, I'm not being persnickety. It
>makes a difference.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Spelling Counts!
Date: 27 Jul 1997 23:34:55 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> was a single day at Disneyland when they had a machine that was putting
> out 101 Dalmatian coins (Cruella De Vil, Pongo & Perdita, Dalmatian
> puppy) and they spelled it as Dalmations. Those are rare coins indeed!

Ok, you caught me. The only reason I wanted the List Meet and
Trade Session to be at Disneyland is because I'm hoping David will show
up with this very penny so I can....umm...borrow it...Yeah...that's the
ticket.

> Hey, anyone else have any coins where the spelling is wrong? (Sounds like
> the start of a very short thread...)

I've got a few Lord's Prayer coins with typos (engravos?).
Amongst the hundreds in my collection there are plenty of words (names,
places, etc.) that I simply ASSUME are spelled right as I have no way of
knowing. I doubt it's as rare as you think and I'd say they become more
common (percentage-wise) as you go back into the oldies.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) New Locations To Check Out...
Date: 27 Jul 1997 23:43:34 -0700

Hi All,

Here are some unconfirmed reports on machine locations:

1) Placerville, CA. Placerville Hardware Store (on Main Street) -- 3
designs. (Aahz, is this anywhere near you?)

2) Las Vegas, NV. "Al Meranta" has machines in 10 locations -- 741 Autumn
Moon Drlve, Las Vegas, NV 89123, Phone: 702.269.8131, TEC#2010. (WIsh
we'd had this info before Nikki left for Lost Wages!)

3) Gatlinburg, TN. On Main Street, 1 machine with 4 designs. Name on
machine is J.E. Sossman, 615.546.6039, Knoxville, TN.

4) Chimney Rock Park, NC. 1 machine on top of the mountain, 4 designs.
(Bet the service folks love to fix this one...)

5) Grandfather MT, NC. No further info.

6) Coor's Field, Denver, CO. No further info.

7) Kansas Turnpike (Oasis) - Sunflower, state outline with wheat, no
further info.

8) Chamberline, SD. Al's Oasis. One machine, no further info.

9) William Vandenbos has one machine at Galatin Field (Airport) in
Bozeman, MT.

Bert

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From: "tink!!!" <dvlgrl66hatesspam@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Locations To Check Out...
Date: 27 Jul 1997 23:47:19 -0700

i'm BACK!!!!!

> 2) Las Vegas, NV. "Al Meranta" has machines in 10 locations -- 741
> Autumn Moon Drlve, Las Vegas, NV 89123, Phone: 702.269.8131,
> TEC#2010. (WIsh we'd had this info before Nikki left for Lost
> Wages!)

yeah! me, too;>

so the good news is, i was able to check out barstow station again.
and, ya'll guessed it...the bad news is, the machine is gone...*sniff*

i asked at all the big casinos i hit, and none of them knew of any such
machines. i thought that the kids areas would maybe have a couple, (i
seem to make my money last a LOT longer in the kids area;>) as little
souneirs for the cheap thrills, but no... oh, well. maybe i'll send
them all nasty mail telling them of my disappointment (yeah, like
that'll help)...

pax!!!
nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Locations To Check Out...
Date: 27 Jul 1997 23:43:54 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> 1) Placerville, CA. Placerville Hardware Store (on Main Street) -- 3
> designs. (Aahz, is this anywhere near you?)

Not really, it's past Sacramento on the way to South Lake Tahoe.
I WANT to take a collecting trip weekend to both Tahoe and Reno, but it's
not in the budget 'til after the Disneyland meet in Sept. October
maybe. Is the name of the store "Placerville Hardware Store"? I could
try to get a confirmation, possible sample, from friends/relatives
driving to Tahoe.

> 2) Las Vegas, NV. "Al Meranta" has machines in 10 locations -- 741 Autumn

I assume Al is the rollers name. Do you know his .sig?

> 9) William Vandenbos has one machine at Galatin Field (Airport) in
> Bozeman, MT.

Ditto.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SD Padres + Maryland Coin Update
Date: 28 Jul 1997 02:54:58 -0700

Bert Creighton wrote:

I just received a penny from a friend on the East Coast
> (of the US that is). It says "Annapolia Maryland" and has a crab in the
> center. It is horizontal and doesn't show much zinc. No further location
> was available -- BUT I'M WORKING ON IT! 8-) Willy, do you have any info
> on this one?

Sorry, I've never even seen it. And I live only a half hour from there!
However, If you see any initals on the coin, I may be able to get some
info.
--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
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http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Locations To Check Out...
Date: 28 Jul 1997 00:04:09 -0700

On 7/27/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
>> 1) Placerville, CA. Placerville Hardware Store (on Main Street) -- 3
>> designs. (Aahz, is this anywhere near you?)

The info I received said "Placerville Hardward Store."

>
> Not really, it's past Sacramento on the way to South Lake Tahoe.
>I WANT to take a collecting trip weekend to both Tahoe and Reno, but it's
>not in the budget 'til after the Disneyland meet in Sept. October
>maybe. Is the name of the store "Placerville Hardware Store"? I could
>try to get a confirmation, possible sample, from friends/relatives
>driving to Tahoe.
>
>> 2) Las Vegas, NV. "Al Meranta" has machines in 10 locations -- 741 Autumn
>
> I assume Al is the rollers name. Do you know his .sig?

Don't have any further info on Al or William... Sorry 8-(
>
>> 9) William Vandenbos has one machine at Galatin Field (Airport) in
>> Bozeman, MT.
>
> Ditto.

Bert

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: (elongates) SPM
Date: 28 Jul 1997 03:11:31 -0700

Hi Gang!

Last night (Sunday), I had the dubious distinction of being the first to
sign the guest book at the Squished Penny Museum (SPM) in Washington,
D.C.
It was all that I had anticipated, and more! In fact, my all to short
visit lasted for four hours... they practically had to throw me out :)

Christine and Pete (the SPM curators) have managed to capture the sheer
joy of elongated coin collecting in their humble yet elegant museum.

If EVER in the D.C. area, I highly recommend setting an appointment to
view this most wonderful spectacle for yourself.... And be sure to bring
a few squished coins for trading--I was lucky enough to trade for a few
EC issues that I had never seen before!

The price of admission, you may wonder??? FREE (a bargain at twice that
price).
--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
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http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SPM
Date: 28 Jul 1997 00:18:42 -0700

Pete,

Do you accept digital signatures? If so, can you log me as the 2nd to
sign the book! I will follow this with a REAL signature when I get to DC
later this year.

Congrats on your new location! Hope to see it soon!

Bert

On 7/28/97 3:11 AM William C. Massey (massey@clark.net ) wrote

>Hi Gang!
>
>Last night (Sunday), I had the dubious distinction of being the first to
>sign the guest book at the Squished Penny Museum (SPM) in Washington,
>D.C.

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) TEC Meeting issues
Date: 28 Jul 1997 00:36:04 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

Well the ANA Convention is this coming week/end and I know there
are a few of you attending. The TEC Meeting is Friday morning and I hope
you will all be attending. For those that are I thought I'd provide a
concise list of issies that have come up here that perhaps should be
addressed by TEC. If they matter to you, you should take the opportunity
to 'lobby' TEC people outside the meeting as well as during it.

1) What happened with the elections this year? There was
essentially no nomination process and no way for non-attendees to vote.

2) Who's in the third Director/Governor slot? If there is no
one, then this should be filled.

3) Several people have not been getting their free coin with TEC
News. Is there some way to make the system here more reliable?

4) Any chance of getting a regular column in TEC News about 'net
happenings?

5) Vote William C. Massey for President!!!!

6) The TEC website NEEDS to happen. Talk it up and give your ideas.

7) Any time you can sneak in a mention of The Elongated Coin
Mailing List (and the subscription URL) would be greatly appreciated.

8) If you see any cheap Lord's Prayer coins, I need them for my
current research project and will be happy to trade or purchase.

9) Speaking of trade, I still never got anybody to agree to get
the Mint Mile into Show elongates set. I'm hoping someone's planning a
surprise for me.

10) Most important of all: HAVE FUN!!!! and write a show report
to the list when you get back.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Smashing Dimes
Date: 27 Jul 1997 23:51:28 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:

> Where is it in the rules that you cannot run a dime through a penny
> machine? Sure, the rollers should be adjusted a bit to take the

I seem to recall that I tried this on one machine back when I
first started collecting and it didn't work. Since I would have ssaved
ANY result, I believe the slide just wouldn't take the coin. I'll try it
on future machines, though and see what happens.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Smashing Dimes
Date: 28 Jul 1997 00:53:58 -0700

On 7/27/97 11:51 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>
>On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:
>
>> Where is it in the rules that you cannot run a dime through a penny
>> machine? Sure, the rollers should be adjusted a bit to take the
>
> I seem to recall that I tried this on one machine back when I
>first started collecting and it didn't work. Since I would have ssaved
>ANY result, I believe the slide just wouldn't take the coin. I'll try it
>on future machines, though and see what happens.
>

Willy says he rolls silver dimes with great results. Not that I have a
bunch of silver dimes lying around. Maybe this works best on hand cranks
and not on Eurolinks or others with the slide that pushes the coins into
the machine... I'll look into it...

bc

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Smashing Dimes
Date: 28 Jul 1997 04:28:43 -0700

Bert Creighton wrote:

>
> Willy says he rolls silver dimes with great results. Not that I have a
> bunch of silver dimes lying around. Maybe this works best on hand cranks
> and not on Eurolinks or others with the slide that pushes the coins into
> the machine... I'll look into it...

Please allow me to clarify this issue:
When I roll dimes (silver or otherwise), it is on MY PERSONAL rolling
machines! I MUST adjust the pressure of the squish considerably, prior
to rolling different denominations of coinage.

While on the topic of ECs other than cents:
Coin rollers love to squish money! We'll flatten just about any coin or
token that we want our designs to reside on. Rolling higher
denominations result in higher inventory holding costs. When you add the
fact that there are usually a few wasted coins during the setup process,
it is easy to see why you don't see a lot of rolled halves and dollars.

I hope that this information is of some value to all on this wonderful
mailing list!
--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
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http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: (elongates) An informative adventure!
Date: 28 Jul 1997 09:28:41 -0400

Hi everybody,

My wife and I decided to leave Boston at 3:00pm Saturday to squish some
pennies in New York. We finally fell asleep in a New Jersey rest stop
at 4:00am. What's the result of this adventure? We mapped 3/4 of the
machines on the New Jersey turnpike, and have detailed information of
the World Trade Center in New York. Plus, we have the dealer's name who
does all the machines and contact information.

Alas, all the information is at home. I'll type it in tonight and mail it
tomorrow.
A couple of highlights:

Lords Prayer pennies!
Unicorn pennies!
I love you NY/New York pennies!

More information tomorrow. Yes, I picked up trading stock and stuff for
the people I owe pennies to (including the penny page!)

- Jeff

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Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Penny and DIME Machine location
Date: 28 Jul 1997 09:39:38 -0400

Yes, in a week or so. We had to postpone the trip for financial reasons.

- Jeff
At 12:59 AM 7/27/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
> This is the first report I have ever seen of an elongated dime
>machine. Anyone heading this way soon?
>
>> Subject: Re: CanAm RADP Squished Coin Alert!
>> From: dismusic@hotmail.com
>> Date: 1997/07/07
>> Message-Id: <868314491.30281@dejanews.com>
>> Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney.parks
>> [11][More Headers]
>>
>>
>> > The Floro Four-o just got back from trip to Niagara Falls and Toronto,
>> > and we stopped at the Rainbow Outlet Mall (US side) on our way home.
>> > Imagine the joy and/or surprise when I found a penny press *and* a dime
>> > press!
>> >
>> > So, RADP folk who are planning to head north for the August meet, you
>> > won't have to go squishie-less! <vbg>
>>
>> Don't worry!!! There's a squished coin press right on Clifton Hill - The
>> Street of Fun At The Falls!
>>
>> Trent
>>
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
>The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
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>Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
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411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Pete Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SPM
Date: 28 Jul 1997 09:51:00 PDT

I tried sticking the guest register up to my computer screen to see if I
could capture the digital signature - but to no avail. I guess you have to
show up in person - we'd be glad to have you.

And thanks for the visit, Willy. I think it's only fair that we share part of
your entry with the rest o' the penny gang:

"I had a smashing time...".

(Truly a penny nut, huh?)

Pete

Pete,

Do you accept digital signatures? If so, can you log me as the 2nd to
sign the book!
Bert

On 7/28/97 3:11 AM William C. Massey (massey@clark.net ) wrote

>Hi Gang!
>
>Last night (Sunday), I had the dubious distinction of being the first to
>sign the guest book at the Squished Penny Museum (SPM) in Washington,
>D.C.

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) Big Al
Date: 28 Jul 1997 09:08:41 -0500

Just got home from a long weekend painting. Saw the note about who
found Big Al. I asked someone weeks ago about getting a set from Disney
World and someone emailed me with his address as well as another. Can't
find out who emailed me though. Will look around for it.

Janelle (Minnesota Flats)

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Big Al
Date: 28 Jul 1997 10:35:05 -0400

It was me! I'm taking care of the WDW stuff. :)
I'll wait an additional week in order for Chris Aahz, so he can share the joy!

- Jeff :)
At 09:08 AM 7/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Just got home from a long weekend painting. Saw the note about who
>found Big Al. I asked someone weeks ago about getting a set from Disney
>World and someone emailed me with his address as well as another. Can't
>find out who emailed me though. Will look around for it.
>
>Janelle (Minnesota Flats)
>
>
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Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: (elongates) I didn't get my newsletter. :(
Date: 28 Jul 1997 11:02:30 -0400

Any ideas why I didn't get my TEC newsletter?

- Jeff

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Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) penny prices
Date: 28 Jul 1997 11:27:03 -0400

Hi Liz,

It is true. At the Boston Museum of Science, the following pennies are
currently available:
Planet penny.
Planetarium penny.

That's why I offered to do the trade that I did.

If anyone wants to see what they look like - check out the great penny page:
http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage

- Jeff :)

At 02:58 PM 7/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>If anyone has a price guied for elongates, could you look up the value of the
>following pennies....I want make an informed trade... Not that I don't trust
>you Jeff...
>
>Boston Museam of Science
>T-Rex non-zinc
>Space Shuttle with zinc

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Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Oddest/Biggest
Date: 28 Jul 1997 12:26:21 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-27 21:26:35 EDT, you write:

> Well, the oddest/largest so far in my collection must be a 1966
> British Half Penny. When elongated it's about the same size as an
> elongated Half Dollar (I've seen 'em although I don't have any). It's
> actually a Brazzell roll with a star and "Star/Silent/Studier". The
> design is pretty mundane, but the reverse is gorgeous with an old sailing
> ship on it.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

Sounds like a beauty!

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Monterey Location
Date: 28 Jul 1997 12:26:36 -0400 (EDT)

Hi;

Just got the address of the neat Monterey EC on "up the hill form Fisherman's
Warf". It's at the LeBlanc Gallery, 271 Alverado Mall Monterey, CA 93940
(408) 372-7756.

Bob Hoff
TEC #2033

P.S. I almost missed the EC machine in the basement of the Madonna Inn. It's
near the "Mens' Waterfall" :-) They have at least two.

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From: Pete Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com>
Subject: (elongates) I didn't get my newsletter.
Date: 28 Jul 1997 12:12:00 PDT

If you are a fairly new member, Howard Sharkey will be sending out your
newsletter instead of Corey. Hence, there is some delay.
I haven't received mine from Sharkey either:(

Any ideas why I didn't get my TEC newsletter?

- Jeff

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) pennie prices
Date: 28 Jul 1997 14:15:09 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-26 15:46:10 EDT, you write:

<< BTW, I collect coin show elongates and do not have this one. I
would be more than happy to trade for it. If you do not have my trade
list, let me know and I'll e-mail it to you.
>>
Email me your trade list and I will think about it depending on what you
have...BTW this coin doesn't say RWD on it.... but there is a MH (?) on it.
It is so tiney I can't quite make it out... Thanks for the info!
Liz

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Road Trip: SF to DL
Date: 28 Jul 1997 14:27:43 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-26 20:57:13 EDT, you write:

<<
I've never seen the Popeye coin and only know about it because an
employee told me they used to have one.
>>
Yup, that's the one....But it's a bad roll...part of the right end is
missing... The word "boardwalk" is made to look like a roller coaster with
little cars on top with popeye in a star along the botom. It's my very first
elongated pennie...so I wouldn't want to trade..I'm sure there is another one
out there that is a complete roll.
Liz

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From: Alan KITA <alkita@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Locations To Check Out...
Date: 28 Jul 1997 11:53:10 -0800

Regarding Las Vegas...I just thought of this, but it is not necessarily
a "squished" coin or a "counter-stamped" coin, but Las Vegas has
available thousands of different "stamped" coins roughly the size of the
old dollar coins! And you just have to exchange one of your dollar
bills for one of these coins.

Alan

p/s I think I have different designs of these coins in my desk drawers
somewhere...these "coins" unfortunately are the only ones to have
escaped with me on my trips BACK from Vegas.

tink!!! wrote:
>
> i'm BACK!!!!!
>
> > 2) Las Vegas, NV. "Al Meranta" has machines in 10 locations -- 741
> > Autumn Moon Drlve, Las Vegas, NV 89123, Phone: 702.269.8131,
> > TEC#2010. (WIsh we'd had this info before Nikki left for Lost
> > Wages!)
>
> yeah! me, too;>
>
> so the good news is, i was able to check out barstow station again.
> and, ya'll guessed it...the bad news is, the machine is gone...*sniff*
>
> i asked at all the big casinos i hit, and none of them knew of any such
> machines. i thought that the kids areas would maybe have a couple, (i
> seem to make my money last a LOT longer in the kids area;>) as little
> souneirs for the cheap thrills, but no... oh, well. maybe i'll send
> them all nasty mail telling them of my disappointment (yeah, like
> that'll help)...
>
> pax!!!
> nikki
> --
> "There's still a part of me that's
> 16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
> http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
> dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) SPM
Date: 28 Jul 1997 14:49:36 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-28 03:08:36 EDT, you write:

<<
Last night (Sunday), I had the dubious distinction of being the first to
sign the guest book at the Squished Penny Museum (SPM) in Washington,
D.C.
It was all that I had anticipated, and more! In fact, my all to short
visit lasted for four hours... they practically had to throw me out :)
>>

I feel a list trip coming on.....I go to college at Salisbury State College,
which is near DC. If anyone would like to meet me at this museam sometime
during the school year..let me know! I love museams.... Where exactly is it
located, btw?
Liz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SPM
Date: 28 Jul 1997 12:39:08 -0700

Hi,

I'm in! I hope to be in DC in Sept/Oct and would love to stop by and
spend time with the SPM.

Bert

:)

On 7/28/97 11:49 AM Liz Dale (Egd9020@aol.com ) wrote

>I feel a list trip coming on.....I go to college at Salisbury State College,
>which is near DC. If anyone would like to meet me at this museam sometime
>during the school year..let me know! I love museams.... Where exactly is it
>located, btw?
>Liz

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From: "tink!!!" <dvlgrl66hatesspam@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Locations To Check Out...
Date: 28 Jul 1997 12:52:02 -0700

> Regarding Las Vegas...I just thought of this, but it is not
> necessarily a "squished" coin or a "counter-stamped" coin, but Las
> Vegas has available thousands of different "stamped" coins roughly
> the size of the old dollar coins! And you just have to exchange one
> of your dollar bills for one of these coins.

yeeeah!!! the dollar chips;> i brought one home with me. i threw down
a coulpe at that wheel of fortune table at treasure island (where i
stayed) and won 20 bucks;> i saved one of their dollar chips, how could
i not, it's got a skull and crossbones logo on it!!!

-nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!

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From: Pete Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SPM
Date: 28 Jul 1997 16:45:00 PDT

Okay, here's the scoop.
The SPM is located right in the heart of DC, about 1 1/2 miles due north of
the White House. However, sometime in August we are moving. The new location
will be about 1 1/2 miles northwest of the White House, right in the lung of
DC. The move will afford us a bigger place to live and a bigger space for the
museum to thrive. As your plans solidify, let me know a date and we'll do the
First Annual EAST Coast List Meet and BBQ.

And if anyone is planning on coming before that, just call: 202-986-5644 (we
are retaining that number when we move). I will provide the pertinent
address info to The List once we've completed the closing on the new digs.

And thanks for the enthusiasm!

Pete
Hi,

I'm in! I hope to be in DC in Sept/Oct and would love to stop by and
spend time with the SPM.
Bert

>I feel a list trip coming on.....
>Liz

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From: Alan KITA <alkita@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Road Trip: SF to DL
Date: 28 Jul 1997 14:13:27 -0800

Off the I-5 at the junction with Hwy 33 (I think) is Harris Ranch and
Restaurant. They produce their own beef, which is quite good and you
can buy it fresh....sorry to digress.

Their machine is away from the reaturants near the restrooms. I'm not
sure what was on it.

Alan

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Big Al
Date: 28 Jul 1997 17:16:42 -0400

James Henry wrote:
>
> Just got home from a long weekend painting. Saw the note about who
> found Big Al. I asked someone weeks ago about getting a set from Disney
> World and someone emailed me with his address as well as another. Can't
> find out who emailed me though. Will look around for it.
>
> Janelle (Minnesota Flats)

Hi Janelle...

I think I sent Big Al's address and one other also: PinocProd@aol.com

BTW I ordered a couple of Disney quarters from Big Al. The quarters are
quite nice and arrived very quickly too.

Ben mcsquare@erols.com

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Road Trip: SF to DL
Date: 28 Jul 1997 18:41:07 -0400 (EDT)

> Their machine is away from the reaturants near the restrooms. I'm not
> sure what was on it.

Mine says only Harris Ranch large type horizontal with "ranch" inset and in
small letters "Inn & Resturant" below. It is circa Aug. 1995. May have
changed since.

Alan is right on...very good steaks and roast beef sandwiches..... great
lunch stop!

-Bob Hoff
TEC# 2033

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Road Trip: SF to DL
Date: 28 Jul 1997 16:01:10 -0700

Hi,

My coin is the same. Try the Harris Ranch breakfast of scrambled eggs and
corned beef hash! It is excellent. OK, so the 3rd Mailing List trip will
be to Harris Ranch, a true Oasis!

Bert

On 7/28/97 3:41 PM R0BERTH0FF@aol.com (R0BERTH0FF@aol.com ) wrote

>Mine says only Harris Ranch large type horizontal with "ranch" inset and in
>small letters "Inn & Resturant" below. It is circa Aug. 1995. May have
>changed since.
>
>Alan is right on...very good steaks and roast beef sandwiches..... great
>lunch stop!

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From: ... <...>
Subject: RE: (elongates) I didn't get my newsletter. :(
Date: 28 Jul 1997 18:13:28 -0500

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I didn't get mine either! :(
I'm in Dallas. Maybe it just takes longer.
...
trueWeb Design
...
http://www.truewebdesign.com

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Sent: Monday, July 28, 1997 10:02 AM

Any ideas why I didn't get my TEC newsletter?

- Jeff

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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Road Trip: SF to DL
Date: 28 Jul 1997 17:01:32 -0000

----------
> From: Alan KITA <alkita@earthlink.net>
> To: elongates@mail.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: (elongates) Road Trip: SF to DL
> Date: Monday, July 28, 1997 10:13 PM
>
> Off the I-5 at the junction with Hwy 33 (I think) is Harris Ranch and
> Restaurant. They produce their own beef, which is quite good and you
> can buy it fresh....sorry to digress.
>
> Their machine is away from the reaturants near the restrooms. I'm not
> sure what was on it.
>
> Alan

It is lettering only "Harris Ranch/Inn and Restaurant"
Gina

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From: "tink!!!" <dvlgrl66hatesspam@concentric.net>
Subject: (elongates) cleaning
Date: 28 Jul 1997 18:17:05 -0700

so i was just looking at my littel collection, and it struck me (OW!)
that they all look a little grimey. how do you folx recommend cleaning
your squished pennies. i have a dremmel tool with a wire brush
attachment, and i have those green scrubbie pads, but i was wondering
what others use. also, should i clean them before i squish them? does
anyone do this and has noticed a difference?

pax!
nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: (elongates) Lords Prayer
Date: 28 Jul 1997 17:16:53 -0000

Hello All,
Just a few things. Chris I know you are looking for the Lords Prayer.
There is a catalog by Doug Fairbanks and it is huge. It lists over 8,000
coins and there are quite a few Lords Prayers with lots of variations.
Some are on pennies, others on dimes, nickels, steel cents, tokens, etc.

Other topics include coin shows, religious, space related,
storecards/advertising, collectors/engravers, presidents, states,
airplanes, organizations, oldies, foreign coins, worlds fairs, expos, Mardi
Gras, comics, fantasy, etc. I could go on and on and on.

Anyways - the catalog is $7.50 and he buys, sells and trades.

Doug Fairbanks Sr.
5937 Beadle Drive
Jamesville, NY 13078
315 469-4682
"Collector Extra-Ordinare"

Gina

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Road Trip: SF to DL
Date: 28 Jul 1997 19:23:03 -0700 (PDT)

Liz,

I won't try to beg this one away from you (at the moment 8-), but
do you have any way of scanning it? Or could you possibly send me a
photocopy of it? BTW, you will find the current Boardwalk coin on my
trade list.

Peace,

Aahz

On Mon, 28 Jul 1997 Egd9020@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-07-26 20:57:13 EDT, you write:
>
> <<
> I've never seen the Popeye coin and only know about it because an
> employee told me they used to have one.
> >>
> Yup, that's the one....But it's a bad roll...part of the right end is
> missing... The word "boardwalk" is made to look like a roller coaster with
> little cars on top with popeye in a star along the botom. It's my very first
> elongated pennie...so I wouldn't want to trade..I'm sure there is another one
> out there that is a complete roll.
> Liz
>
>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 SECA-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Re: Online support in TEC News (fwd)
Date: 28 Jul 1997 19:29:23 -0700 (PDT)

As some of you may recall there were recently several messages
here on the list about getting more 'net information into TEC News. I
have been forwarding all of these comments to Corey Wylde - TEC News
Editor. His response is below. Your comments are welcome.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 SECA-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Typical of today's cyberlings, Kathy is missing the true fabric of the TEC
club. Many folks with a ton to contribute to the hobby have no access to
computers. In today's "I won't wait for anything" culture Many things of true
value are overlooked and passed by. I think it's a shame. While Tec will
endeavor to meet the needs of all its constituents, all should be encouraged
to paricipate in BOTH forms of communication. Also, the rich history of the
hobby is embodied primarily in those who don't embrace computers. The best
articles I receive are hand or type written. For those who can't wait, the
future holds lessons which have already been learned by those who go before.
I think we should learn from them, don't you?

After rereading this note, its tone sounds confrontational. That is not my
intent -- only to enlighten.

Please let me know your thoughts. Obviously, I support the Net.

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Subject: RE: (elongates) cleaning
Date: 28 Jul 1997 21:30:10 -0500

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There's a lot of different advice on my FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions):
http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/faq.htm#How do I clean my copper pennies . . . ?

My favorite method is:
soak them in vinegar (or smother with ketchup)
and polish them with salt or baking powder

I've found that it's best to clean them up before pressing 'em.

-...
The Penny Page

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Sent: Monday, July 28, 1997 8:17 PM

so i was just looking at my littel collection, and it struck me (OW!)
that they all look a little grimey. how do you folx recommend cleaning
your squished pennies. i have a dremmel tool with a wire brush
attachment, and i have those green scrubbie pads, but i was wondering
what others use. also, should i clean them before i squish them? does
anyone do this and has noticed a difference?

pax!
nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Re: Online support in TEC News (fwd)
Date: 28 Jul 1997 19:49:07 -0700 (PDT)

And here is my response to Corey's message. Again, comments are welcome.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 SECA-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Cc: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>

On Mon, 28 Jul 1997 WSons@aol.com wrote:

> Typical of today's cyberlings, Kathy is missing the true fabric of the TEC
> club.

Apparently I am missing this as well then. Perhaps you could
enlighten me. I thought TEC was about sharing information between
collectors. As I recall Kathy's comments she mentioned that without the
'net she would not found TEC, that she thought TEC News should be
published more often (which I agree with), and that she supported the
idea of a regluar column on 'Net happenings in TEC News. I don't see
what fails to capture the true fabric of TEC.
The internet is a wonderful way to share information. It is not,
by any means the only way. No one has called for abandoning TEC News. We
just want to share information with people. The members that are on the
'net a recommunicating with each other. We would like a way to
communicate with the other members as well. As far as I know the only
way to do this is thru TEC News. We're talking about adding to it, not
replacing it or any of its current contents. How is this a problem?

> Many folks with a ton to contribute to the hobby have no access to
> computers. In today's "I won't wait for anything" culture Many things of true
> value are overlooked and passed by. I think it's a shame. While Tec will
> endeavor to meet the needs of all its constituents, all should be encouraged
> to paricipate in BOTH forms of communication.

I agree with the majority of this statement. The call for the
'net column is about encouraging members to participate in BOTH forms of
communication. There have been several calls for articles in TEC News.
Those articels are now being rejected simply because some of the long
time members are not able to use the information they provide. However,
you seem to be overlooking the large number of users that CAN benefit
from them. Those who are not interested in these articles can easily
skip over them. Again, we are looking to make TEC News larger and more
comprehensive. We are not trying to replace any current content.

> Also, the rich history of the
> hobby is embodied primarily in those who don't embrace computers. The best
> articles I receive are hand or type written. For those who can't wait, the
> future holds lessons which have already been learned by those who go before.
> I think we should learn from them, don't you?

ABSOLUTELY!!! My favorite regular column in TEC News is Martin's
Mutterings. The more information these people are willing to share, the
more I will listen (or read) what they have to say. I just don't see how
excluding information about current happenings helps these people share
their wealth of knowledge. I would love to hear your thoughts on this.

>
> After rereading this note, its tone sounds confrontational. That is not my
> intent -- only to enlighten.
>
E-mail gets that way sometimes. I did not take your note as
confrontational and I hope you do not take my reply that way. I have
VERY strong feelings about this matter and that often comes out in my
writing. I am very frustrated at the moment because I really don't
understand where you are coming from n this. I WANT to understand, but I
don't yet.

> Please let me know your thoughts. Obviously, I support the Net.

You may be sorry you asked for my thoughts after reading the
above 8-)

Personally, I don't find it obvious that you support the
'net. You use it, that is obvious, but I do not see you supporting its
use in elongate collecting. You may well be doing so in forums that I am
unaware of, but I have not seen any evidence of this other then that you
correspond and accept submissions via e-mail.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 SECA-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) SPM
Date: 28 Jul 1997 22:51:02 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-28 18:56:17 EDT, you write:

<< As your plans solidify, let me know a date and we'll do the
First Annual EAST Coast List Meet and BBQ. >>

I have one problem...no car and no driver's licence...does anyone want to
pick me up at SSU????? Please???? (It's a long story about the driver's
licence....I didn't lose it, I just never got one....) I know this is a
long shot!!!
Liz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) cleaning
Date: 28 Jul 1997 20:04:32 -0700

Niki,

Various things like katsup act as a mild acid. My recommendation for
these kinds of cleaners is use them before squishing. Anytime you polish
after squishing you begin to wear down the design. You can use a little
Brasso to clean pennies that have been squished - it works more as an
abrasive rather than an acid. Putting acidic chemicals on a squished
penny will start to pit it. I'm not saying don't do, try it on something
that is not your best penny.

I have been experimenting with pennies that have a heavy brown patina on
them. I smashed one at the San Diego aerospace museum (design of the
Spirit of St. Louis). I then used an eraser to lightly go over the raised
lines of the plane, and I got something I would call an "artsy" penny. I
looks more like a bronze sculpture when some parts are polished where
people touch them. I still like most of my coins polished, but it is fun
to have some classic designs on patina pennies, and the more you touch
them the more they age...

Bert

On 7/28/97 6:17 PM tink!!! (dvlgrl66hatesspam@concentric.net ) wrote

>so i was just looking at my littel collection, and it struck me (OW!)
>that they all look a little grimey. how do you folx recommend cleaning
>your squished pennies. i have a dremmel tool with a wire brush
>attachment, and i have those green scrubbie pads, but i was wondering
>what others use. also, should i clean them before i squish them? does
>anyone do this and has noticed a difference?
>
>pax!
>nikki

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Photographing Pennies
Date: 28 Jul 1997 23:01:32 -0400 (EDT)

Hey...it seams like everyone wants photoes of my collection....Does anyone
have any advice/experience with photographing elongates??? I am a real
amature with photography...but my parents have a good camera. Can anyone
help?
Liz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Lords Prayer
Date: 28 Jul 1997 20:05:01 -0700 (PDT)

On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, zinful wrote:

> Hello All,
> Just a few things. Chris I know you are looking for the Lords Prayer.
> There is a catalog by Doug Fairbanks and it is huge. It lists over 8,000
> coins and there are quite a few Lords Prayers with lots of variations.
> Some are on pennies, others on dimes, nickels, steel cents, tokens, etc.

Thanx for the info. I have not seen Doug's catalog, but he and I
are working on a deal for the LP issues he has.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 SECA-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Photographing Pennies
Date: 28 Jul 1997 20:14:08 -0700

Liz,

Do you have access to a scanner at school. That's one way to do it and
not have the cost os photography. How many are we talking about? Maybe
someone on the list could help you out.

Bert

On 7/28/97 8:01 PM Liz Dale (Egd9020@aol.com ) wrote

>Hey...it seams like everyone wants photoes of my collection....Does anyone
>have any advice/experience with photographing elongates??? I am a real
>amature with photography...but my parents have a good camera. Can anyone
>help?
>Liz

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) newsletter
Date: 28 Jul 1997 22:15:47 -0500

My daughter hasn't got her newsletter either.

Janelle (Minnesota Flats)

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) newsletter
Date: 28 Jul 1997 20:26:31 -0700 (PDT)

On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, James Henry wrote:

> My daughter hasn't got her newsletter either.
>
> Janelle (Minnesota Flats)
>
>
Would that be 'Baby Flats' or 'Little Flats'?

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From: "tink!!!" <dvlgrl66hatesspam@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) cleaning
Date: 28 Jul 1997 21:06:09 -0700

thanx kathy and bert for the advice on cleaning!!! and kathy, thanx for
putting your page addy up, somehow, i seem to have missed it up until
now;>

pax!!!
nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) newsletter
Date: 28 Jul 1997 21:24:08 -0700

Aahz,

Careful my friend! You could start a Flats Domino reaction here!

bc

On 7/28/97 8:26 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>
>On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, James Henry wrote:
>
>> My daughter hasn't got her newsletter either.
>>
>> Janelle (Minnesota Flats)
>>
>>
> Would that be 'Baby Flats' or 'Little Flats'?

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) newsletter
Date: 29 Jul 1997 00:44:52 -0700

James Henry wrote:
>
> My daughter hasn't got her newsletter either.
>
> Janelle (Minnesota Flats)

I emailed Corey about a friend of mine who didn't get his son's either.
Here is the significant portion of his reply:

> As a result your friend's son will be rightfully
> added. Please direct any other inquiries you may receive directly to Howard
> as he has the database. I think he does a superb job. This is just a way to
> help him clean up his records since his computer crash this Spring.

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: (elongates) E ya Later :)
Date: 29 Jul 1997 00:55:39 -0700

Hi Gang!

It pains me to inform you all that I will have to be signing off of this
wonderful email list for a couple of days :(

Please feel free to email me directly if you have ANY pressing
concerns... Although don't expect to get a speedy reply.

--Willy
--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

********************************************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Rosato's wanted ad:
Date: 29 Jul 1997 00:11:10 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

In the current issue of TEC News, Angelo Rosato is advertising a
number of coins he is looking to purchase. Of course, he only lists them
by the code numbers from his book (which I still can't afford). Could
anybody who has Rosato's book send me a brief description of each of the
coins in his ad? I know there's a lot, but I just need enough to know if
I'm somewhat close. I have coins rolled by most of these people, I just
don't know what designs he wants. I would be happy to offer goodies in
return (or a finders fee if a make a sale)

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 SECA-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Matthew Birchard <psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Rosato's wanted ad:
Date: 29 Jul 1997 00:53:41 -0700 (PDT)

Chris,
Here they are. I actually have 2 copies of his encyclopedia, one
never openned, still in shrinkwrap. I plan to sit on it for a number of
years until he sells out and the value of mine will increase. Anyway,
the code numbers and their descriptions:

DOW-79: Same as DOW-2, except die re-engraved with larger type: 2ND
ANNUAL/CONVENTION/PHOENIX/1966. Initials DD, right of date. -2nd
progressive single die variety. (see DOW-80, 120). Dotted border.
Listed mintage: 10 cents.

BRO-3: Maple leaf made up of 11 small triangles. -Above; EXPO 67,
Below stem; 1867/ CENT. OF CAN. CONFED. First of a progressive single
die variety. See BRO-4. Listed mintage: 6 cents.

COO-1: Ornate scroll lines throughout legend. -A Christmas card
elongated card: FIRST/ROLLED/ELONGATED/BY/ADAM J.
COOL/MERRY/CHRISTMAS/12-10-74. (see ROS-352). Listed mintage: 15 cents.

HOE-5: Same die as HOE-4, except die is re-engraved. It says
"Watergate UGH!" with large initials, L.M. Listed mintage: 3 cents.

Anyway, my legs are going numb from having about ten pounds of book
sitting on them. As you can tell, all of the coins he wants have VERY
low mintages. Most being progressive single die varieties. It surprises
me a bit that he is offering to buy some of his own issues.

Matt Birchard
TEC #1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail: psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) cleaning
Date: 29 Jul 1997 12:57:32 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-29 00:08:25 EDT, you write:

<<
so i was just looking at my littel collection, and it struck me (OW!)
that they all look a little grimey. how do you folx recommend cleaning
your squished pennies. i have a dremmel tool with a wire brush
attachment, and i have those green scrubbie pads, but i was wondering
what others use. also, should i clean them before i squish them? does
anyone do this and has noticed a difference?
>>
I have a great answer to this one..... pennies can be cleaned using a
mixture of lemon juice and salt...say about 1/4 cup of lemon juice and a
teaspoon of salt.
Soak the pennie for a minute and rince with water. I have never tried it on
an elongated pennie...so I would suggest cleaning the pennie before it is
squashed.
Also...I would wash one pennie at a time... the lemon/salt mixture will get
dirty. When it does make some more. The dirty lemon/salt will just make the
pennie more dirty. It works like magick! Liz

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Online support in TEC News (fwd)
Date: 29 Jul 1997 13:02:57 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-29 01:47:05 EDT, you write:

<<
After rereading this note, its tone sounds confrontational. That is not my
intent -- only to enlighten.

Please let me know your thoughts. Obviously, I support the Net.
>>
I support the net too. If TEC doesn't get at least a web page they will go
the way of the dodo! Besides, newsleters waist trees... the web/internet is
more environmentaly friendly! Just my 2 cents...
Liz

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Photographing Pennies
Date: 29 Jul 1997 13:13:37 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-29 05:49:41 EDT, you write:

<<
Liz,

Do you have access to a scanner at school. That's one way to do it and
not have the cost os photography. How many are we talking about? Maybe
someone on the list could help you out.
>>
I don't think there is a scaner at school, but I do have "connections" with
the computer department.....I could ask around. Would I just stick the
pennie on the scaner and shut the lid?? Most of my pennies are a little
curved. I don't think that would turn out good. I have about 40 pennies.
Liz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Photographing Pennies
Date: 29 Jul 1997 11:06:31 -0700

Hi,

Yes, just put them on the scanner, close the lid and you are off and
running. Some of my coins are curved and I have never had a problem with
this. Actually, the curve allows a 'highlight' to show up in the image,
so you can see the shape as well as the detail.

<Shameless plug coming...> I use an Apple OneScanner and it has some
simple software with it. I push one button and the whole thing is done
for me. Sometimes I go in with a paint program (Photoshop...) and remove
some of the shadow caused by the curved coins...

Talk to your computer science friends. Once they set you up, you could
run all your coins through at once. If you need any HTML help, just ask
the list, several of us can assist there as well.

Good luck with the scanning, let us know how it goes... (Oh, I think some
Kinko's stores around the country have scanners hooked up to their
computers. Not sure about the costs, but wanted to pass that info
along...)

Finally, to keep this all above board, I do work for Apple and do love
their products. Just so you all know where I am coming from when I
mention things. Computers are just tools! Nothin' more. My views do not
reflect my employer, they are solely my personal comments.

Happy Scanning!

Bert

On 7/29/97 10:13 AM Liz Dale (Egd9020@aol.com ) wrote

>In a message dated 97-07-29 05:49:41 EDT, you write:
>
><<
> Liz,
>
> Do you have access to a scanner at school. That's one way to do it and
> not have the cost os photography. How many are we talking about? Maybe
> someone on the list could help you out.
> >>
>I don't think there is a scaner at school, but I do have "connections" with
>the computer department.....I could ask around. Would I just stick the
>pennie on the scaner and shut the lid?? Most of my pennies are a little
>curved. I don't think that would turn out good. I have about 40 pennies.
>Liz

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) cleaning
Date: 29 Jul 1997 14:04:53 -0400

I still find good ol' brass polish to work the best.
All the mystic voodoo of lemon and ketchup stuff gets my hands all gunky. :)

- Jeff

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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Photographing Pennies
Date: 29 Jul 1997 14:10:37 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-29 14:05:34 EDT, you write:

<<
Talk to your computer science friends. Once they set you up, you could
run all your coins through at once. If you need any HTML help, just ask
the list, several of us can assist there as well. >>

Thanks for the info...I will check into the scaner when I get to school...in
Sept...so don't hold your breth... Thanks again..
Liz

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) cleaning
Date: 29 Jul 1997 14:12:26 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-29 14:08:24 EDT, you write:

<<
I still find good ol' brass polish to work the best.
All the mystic voodoo of lemon and ketchup stuff gets my hands all gunky. :)
>>

I'm into mystic and voodoo....and on that note...are there any pagan relgious
elongated coins?? Pentacles and the such...???? I'd love to get one, if
there are any? Liz

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From: Matthew Birchard <psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Online support in TEC News (fwd)
Date: 29 Jul 1997 11:17:12 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 29 Jul 1997 Egd9020@aol.com wrote:

> I support the net too. If TEC doesn't get at least a web page they will go
> the way of the dodo! Besides, newsleters waist trees... the web/internet is
> more environmentaly friendly! Just my 2 cents...
> Liz
>
Not to burst your bubble or anything, but perhaps had you thought about
the amount of electrical power needed to support the massive
infrastructure of the 'net? And then that begs the question, how is that
power generated? Sometimes through some not so environmentally friendly
means. Solamente mi dos centavos...

Matt Birchard
TEC #1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail: psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) TEC Thoughts (Thanks Liz)
Date: 29 Jul 1997 11:40:55 -0700

Liz,

Thanks for your comments. I completely agree with you. This is not an
"us" against "them" discussion, as Corey's email describes it. I don't
know how we got off on that track, but I hope we all can get back to a
centerline, sharing info about our hobby and getting together
(Disneyland, Squished Penny Museum, Harris Ranch, ANA meets, etc.) to
meet each other.

My wife's great grandmother is in her 80's and she keeps in touch each
week via email. Writing 20 letters with the same information would be
hard for her. She uses the phone and email to keep in touch with family
across the US. Does that make her a 'cyberling?' (Hope we can end the
name calling real soon now!)

As I said in an earlier email, computers are a communications tool. To
attack a tool that helps us share our common interests is wrong. No one
on this list (as far as I can research) ever said anything against US
Postal mail, TEC Newsletter or our TEC members that have a wealth of
experience. The opposite is true! We have been asking to include more
info in the TEC Newsletter as a way of tieing together our various forms
of communication. I have learned so much from Willy (hope he's feeling'
better soon!), Chris Aahz, ... and many others - all via the
net. I have also learned a great deal from Willy, Jack Wilcox, Allen
Curtis, Ray Dillard (I could go on and on) all from back issues of TEC
Newsletter that Howard Sharkey was kind enough to send me (THANKS
Howard!).

For the non-TEC members of this email list, sorry if this is off the
topic of what you signed up to read -- I do hope you will join us TEC
members soon. For the TEC members, I hope you all will join Liz and send
in your comments. My personal opinion: I hope we can get past the name
calling and find some ways to join together around our hobby (passion).
So, how can we do that?

First, TEC needs to publish a membership roster so we all know who we
are. I have no idea if there's anybody else in San Diego that I can meet
in person. I have no idea how to write to TEC members that know a whole
lot more about things than I do. I have no idea how to ask for help (of
TEC members) in certain areas of the country where I am trying to get
Elongated machine locations. A roster is a vital part of our
organization. A roster could include info the members are willing to
share such as being a roller, a dealer, an engraver and/or designer, or
willing to give advice/experience in certain areas.

Second, we need an additional (new) section in TEC Newsletter that
explains what is available to all members via email, web sites, etc. A
primer on how to get started could be included in the TEC Newsletter. I
am willing to bet there are a few of us on this list that would be
willing to advise members how to get started if they wanted to try this
out (I will be the first to offer help). Once and for all, let's all
agree age is NOT related to using email or the worldwide web.

Third, and related to the last suggestion, let's bring the important
information from the online community to those without access. If TEC
members without web access knew I had a Smashed Coin Locator, they could
send me a SASE and I would be more than happy to print any pages and send
them out. So someone with no web access could say 'Bert, I'd like to get
your San Diego elonagted machine locations' and I could send them a
printed copy (which is what I take to Disneyland to update my locations).
Again, we need a published roster where I can offer this to the
membership.

Fourth, we need to harness the worldwide nature of the net to bring new
members into TEC. Willy Massey has done a great job of describing TEC on
his web pages and even put up a sign-up form (which I used to become a
member). Again, this is synergy, not confrontation. With new members,
we'll get new articles written, new locations, new coin issues. I have
mentioned (I believe) that recently a famous artist was looking at my web
pages and found a roller's web site. This lead to the artist
commissioning 2 new dies, which we all will soon get to see (and collect
pennies from!). Hey, that sounds like a great short story for the TEC
Newsletter.

Finally, let's get off the computer vs US Post Office Mail discussion.
Dead end. Division causing discussion, nuff said! If we had a roster,
with phone numbers, Fax numbers, email addresses, web page URL's and
street addresses (what ever members are interested in publishing) we
could ALL stay in touch better. I would love to know some of the TEC
members with years of experience would be willing to take a 20 minute
call and talk to me about a certain topic (I'd pay for the call). It
would be wonderful if I could fax some info to a TEC member that might
need it just before leaving on a collecting trip. I was lucky enough to
go to Hawaii recently on business. After returning, I was sent some penny
locations I did not know about. Wish I had them before I left! A roster
would have helped me in my collecting!

To summarize, we need to work towards a common purpose of enjoying
elongated coins. Bringing the best of tools together to get information
out to everyone is the goal. I hope we can start at once on a roster of
members, how they like to be contacted, and what they would like to offer
other TEC members (lists of machines locations, etc). I hope we can get
TEC to work on a Elongated Coin Locator service, which could be available
on the web, sent via SASE request to Howard or the Locator Keeper, etc.
The TEC Newsletter has been a wonderful way to learn about so many
aspects of elongated coins and collectors. Let's add a new section that
explains additional ways to stay in touch, AND brings new elongated
articles to all TEC readers. Let's hear what you all think...

Bert Creighton
TEC #2095
Join TEC!

On 7/29/97 10:02 AM Liz Dale (Egd9020@aol.com ) wrote

>In a message dated 97-07-29 01:47:05 EDT, you write:
>
><<
> After rereading this note, its tone sounds confrontational. That is not my
> intent -- only to enlighten.
>
> Please let me know your thoughts. Obviously, I support the Net.
> >>
>I support the net too. If TEC doesn't get at least a web page they will go
>the way of the dodo! Besides, newsleters waist trees... the web/internet is
>more environmentaly friendly! Just my 2 cents...
>Liz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Photographing Pennies
Date: 29 Jul 1997 20:36:56 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Good luck with the scanning, let us know how it goes... (Oh, I think some
> Kinko's stores around the country have scanners hooked up to their
> computers. Not sure about the costs, but wanted to pass that info
> along...)

My local Kinko's management freaked HARD when they heard I was
gonna place coins on their scanner. They were utterly convinved that
there was no way to do this without scratching the glass. <sigh>

Just thought I'd forewarn y'all.

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) New pennies at MN Zoo
Date: 29 Jul 1997 21:43:43 -0500

Just got back from the Minnesota Zoo. Those guys added a new machine
this last month with 3 new pennies for a total of 18 out there. The new
ones are 1)Starfish 2) Arthur Octopus 3) Sophie Shrimp. If you want
the new ones to add to the others you have, let me know as I will be
making a trip again in a week or two. Bert, Jeff, and David McD. will
have all 18 in your packages so you don't need to let me know. Zinful,
you will get all 18 in your package as well. Believe it or not, I ran
out of pre 82 pennies today. Had enough to make 3 full sets and 3 extra
new ones for "Little Flats" my daughter and that was it!!

Minnesota Flats

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New pennies at MN Zoo
Date: 29 Jul 1997 21:14:57 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, James Henry wrote:

> Just got back from the Minnesota Zoo. Those guys added a new machine
> this last month with 3 new pennies for a total of 18 out there. The new
> ones are 1)Starfish 2) Arthur Octopus 3) Sophie Shrimp. If you want
> the new ones to add to the others you have, let me know as I will be

Guess Corey's right, patience IS a virtue. I acted fast and
missed out on the three new coins. Anywayz, you know I want these!
Oddly enough, I haven't been anywhere NEAR Minnesota since starting to
collect and the Minnesota section of my binders has more coins then any
state but California!!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TEC Thoughts (Thanks Liz)
Date: 29 Jul 1997 21:23:59 -0700 (PDT)

Bert,

As always you get a good message across very well. Personally, I
do not think Corey meant to be insulting. I did find the message rather
demeaning, but I do not think it was intentional. I do think it shows
that he thinks of those on the 'net as children.

You several times mentioned the need for a roster. We've both
kind of stepped in it here. Corey's column (Stretched Sense) in the last
TEC News mentions that a list of names and addresses is available for
$3. I will be sending off a check this evening and will provide anyone
who wants a copy free of charge (most likely via FAX or snail mail as I
expect it to be pretty long to type in immediately).

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TEC Thoughts (Thanks Liz)
Date: 29 Jul 1997 21:40:35 -0700

Hi,

Steppin' in it is my life! You too will be steppin' in it when you get to
Harris Ranch. There's a cow lot near there that will fill your car with a
certain natural purfume that will last for days!

Can you tell me what date is on the last TEC Newsletter. I am starting to
think I missed the last one. Can't remember when the first one showed
up...

I also thought they's put my TEC # somewhere in the ascii, and I'd find
it any report it to Howard and I'd get a reward in the mail. Never saw my
number?

Thanks for the date on the last issue...

bc

On 7/29/97 9:23 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

> You several times mentioned the need for a roster. We've both
>kind of stepped in it here. Corey's column (Stretched Sense) in the last
>TEC News mentions that a list of names and addresses is available for
>$3. I will be sending off a check this evening and will provide anyone
>who wants a copy free of charge (most likely via FAX or snail mail as I
>expect it to be pretty long to type in immediately).

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Re: Online support in TEC News (fwd)
Date: 29 Jul 1997 21:32:58 -0700 (PDT)

The final segment in the soap opera I have made you all sit
through between me and Corey.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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---------- Forwarded message ----------

In a message dated 97-07-29 00:55:20 EDT, you write:

<< You may well be doing so in forums that I am
unaware of, but I have not seen any evidence of this other then that you
correspond and accept submissions via e-mail. >>

Reread this months "Stretched Sense" column. I cannot reiterate LOUDLY
enough, the greatest challenge which faces clubs like ours is uniting the
older with the younger. Patience IS a virtue. THink of what your article in
September will encompass compared to your mid-June submission. I suggested to
Bert to write a primer column for the unsophisticated. I expect he will.

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TEC Thoughts (Thanks Liz)
Date: 29 Jul 1997 21:51:17 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Can you tell me what date is on the last TEC Newsletter. I am starting to
> think I missed the last one. Can't remember when the first one showed
> up...

The current ish is vol. 32, No. 3 Summer 1997 (Jul-Sep). The
last ish was Spring 1997 (Apr-Jun). It comes out quarterly, with Winter
starting off the year in January.

>
> I also thought they's put my TEC # somewhere in the ascii, and I'd find
> it any report it to Howard and I'd get a reward in the mail. Never saw my
> number?

Wll, they skipped right by me, too! But odds are lucky number
2107 is out on the 'net somewhere.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) List digesting SOON!
Date: 29 Jul 1997 21:57:38 -0700 (PDT)

Okay, as proof that I'm doing what I can to get the digest running I'm
forwarding the message I received from my netrep this morning. He didn't
do it today (as far as I know), so hopefully tomorrow.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

---------- Forwarded message ----------

On Tue, Jul 29, 1997 at 09:32:38AM -0600, Chris Aahz wrote:
> Bill,
>
> You helped me set up my mailing list (elongates) because my
> browser couldn't use the web forms properly. I need help again. Traffic
> has increased dramatically on the list and I NEED to add a digest version
> of the list. I sent you a message last thursday, but have not heard from
> you and things are getting pretty desperate.
>
> How do I set up the digest version of my list? I'd like to call
> it elongates-digest.
>
> Your help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

Sorry about the delay, I've been buried. I'll get the digest set up
today and drop you a note when it's ready.

Bill

--
bill@xmission.com http://www.xmission.com/~bill/
Spam me and get *free* X11 source code by email!

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Photographing Pennies
Date: 30 Jul 1997 01:02:19 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-30 00:57:27 EDT, you write:

<<
My local Kinko's management freaked HARD when they heard I was
gonna place coins on their scanner. They were utterly convinved that
there was no way to do this without scratching the glass. <sigh>
>>
So did they let you do it??
Liz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Photographing Pennies
Date: 29 Jul 1997 22:17:29 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 Egd9020@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-07-30 00:57:27 EDT, you write:
>
> <<
> My local Kinko's management freaked HARD when they heard I was
> gonna place coins on their scanner. They were utterly convinved that
> there was no way to do this without scratching the glass. <sigh>
> >>
> So did they let you do it??
> Liz
>
>

Oops! I guess I should limit myself to doing only three or four
things at once.

No, they wouldn't let me. I even invoked the name of the former
manager (I used to work at Kinko's) but this still did no good. It was
little ol' me versus the four person graveyard staff. I lost 8-(

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Matthew Birchard <psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: (elongates) TEC roster
Date: 30 Jul 1997 01:11:54 -0700 (PDT)

Hey folks!
The membership roster idea I gave a lot of thought. If you take
a look at the previous issue of TEC News (Spring 1997), you can read the
article I authored on the subject. I did my homework on this, quoted a
bunch from the TEC By-Laws, and everything. Corey published my page and
a half article, but that was about all. The only response I really got
was this short paragraph that sort of addressed the issue, but it was not
directed at me, instead it was a general statement from Gus in the
"...From the President's Desk" column.
"Membership rosters are available. Send $3.00 to Howard Sharkey
to cover copying and mailing costs and he will send you one. Please use
the list for correspondence and not soliciting. We always need new
members. Sign up somebody soon."
Personally I didn't like the tone of that paragraph. If you'd
have read my article you'd find that I clearly think the roster should be
free to all members, and that I address the constant "hounding" from the
TEC leadership about needing new members without any reporting of our
current ranks. But there it is in the same breath. The roster is not
free and MORE MEMBERS! Now go get'em! Perhaps we (as a club) could gain
more members if we were online.
I just seem to be butting heads with the TEC leadership. But
whatcha gonna do? Perhaps I'll run for office, maybe for a board of
directors position so that some fresh ideas could be interjected into the
leadership of the organization.
Hope I don't piss anyone off with my thoughts and comments, but I
don't really care one way or the other. BTW, the term "cyberling" would
probably fit me quite well. I'm 20 years of age, but I've been a TEC
member for going on 5 years now and I've been collecting since '82. A
club is for it's members. It seems that the vocal minority (I guess
those of us that are technically proficient are the minority, I keep
getting told so) is pushing for a more forward thinking TEC. If members
of TEC don't want to change, well they should speak up. The last few
issues of TEC News have contained a lot of info on moving the club
forward, both with the 'net and other ways such as the membership
roster. Any member can write an article. The general membership should
be discussing these ideas. Apathy is close to premission. At the end of
my article I invited any member to comment and let the members of TEC
know what they thought. Nothing was published and I only received one
letter from someone that I had previously bought something from, so they
had my address.

Matt Birchard
TEC #1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail: psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu

snail mail:
Matt Birchard
4435 NE 73RD AVE
PORTLAND, OR 97218-3630
USA

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TEC roster
Date: 30 Jul 1997 01:36:59 -0700 (PDT)

Matt,

I didn't connect the name, but I thoroughly enjoyed your article
in TECN!

I'm not sure exactly how long you've been on the mailing list,
but there has been a fair amount of discussion of TEC's current
failings. This list is an open forum! I encourage messages from the
heart such as your most recent post. You may get attacked by subscribers
for your views (although I think most subscribers who care agree with
them), but you certainly won't be told by any 'list offical' (all of whom
are me ;) that you shouldn't post your thoughts!

On to the issues you raised:

> I did my homework on this, quoted a
> bunch from the TEC By-Laws, and everything. Corey published my page and
> a half article, but that was about all.

The official response to this would be space constraints, I am
sure. And this is often a legitimate concern when putting out a
publication. I, for one, would like to see TECN both larger and more
frequent. We've certainly got the money in the treasury for it.
This is number two on my agenda for the new Board (There's no
point on bringing anything up before the election unless you'll be at the
meeting). Number one is this years election snafu.

> The only response I really got
> was this short paragraph that sort of addressed the issue, but it was not
> directed at me, instead it was a general statement from Gus in the
> "...From the President's Desk" column.
> "Membership rosters are available. Send $3.00 to Howard Sharkey
> to cover copying and mailing costs and he will send you one. Please use
> the list for correspondence and not soliciting. We always need new
> members. Sign up somebody soon."
> Personally I didn't like the tone of that paragraph. If you'd

The greatest threat I see facing TEC at this time is lack of
feedback to the membership. Again, since so many of the officers are not
online I feel a larger and more frequent TECN will solve help solve this
problem. I, for one, cannot afford to make long distance calls to get
information about the club. Even postage gets expensive. I just sent a
letter to each of the TEC Officers regarding the election. This one
letter cost me more then five bucks to send off. This could easily add
up VERY quickly. A club newsletter is supposed to disseminate
information about the club. Each individual member should not have to
write a letter to each of the officers. Besides, can you imagine how
swamped the officers would be if they each had to respond to dozens of
letters from each member? By creating a 'dialogue; in the TEC News all
would feel more included.

> have read my article you'd find that I clearly think the roster should be
> free to all members, and that I address the constant "hounding" from the

I agree, yet again. That's why I have promised to share my copy
of the membership with anyone who asks free of charge or at cost if any. My
request for said roster will be going out in tomorrow's mail.

> Perhaps we (as a club) could gain more members if we were online.

My thoughts on this have been made pretty clear. Willy reports
that nearly fifty people have joined based on his web-site alone (I could
be wrong on this number and Willy's gone for a few days, but needless to
say TEC has had a HUGE leap in membership this year and it owes a lot of
that to the 'net.

I have forwarded this message to both Corey and Rocky as I think
they need to see what people think. I encourage you to forward your
message to them both as well, Matt.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TEC roster
Date: 30 Jul 1997 10:31:00 -0400

Matt and the rest of the elongates newsgroup,

I consider myself a "cyberling" as well. At 22 years of age and working
as a professional in the computer industry, I embrace adding more
technology to TEC.
It is true that not all of the members use computers on a daily basis.
However, that
shouldn't stunt the growth of TEC. I wouldn't have become a member if
hadn't been for
Willy - along with several other people online.

If TEC isn't willing to publish the information on members, then it doesn't
seem
appropriate for us to help promote members. What would be my line? "You
should join TEC,
give them money, and hope that they return the favor with information on
expanding your
collection." I enjoy reading the TEC newsletter - however I've gained far
more information
from this mailing list.

I envision an online elongated penny museum where people can display their
collections
for the rest of the public to see. I believe this vision should be
supported by TEC -
since this helps others get acquainted with the hobby. However, from the
email I have seen
of the current TEC leaders, I'm not convinced the focus is on the members
of TEC.

As much as I like to be a part of TEC, I am debating on letting my
membership expire.
I'm not asking all members of TEC to become 100% dedicated to net traffic.
I agree some
of the best ideas and feelings come from good ol' pencil and paper.
However, TEC seems to be
going out of its way to NOT promote the net and its avenues available to
TEC members.

In closing, I feel TEC should release the addresses of the members who wish
to be published for free.
I joined TEC to understand and learn about the people around me which
collect elongated coins.
Incouraging cooperation and conversations between members should be the
primary focus of TEC
in order to keep members in the future - cyberlings or not.

Sincerely,
Jeff Dixon
TEC member
422 Mystic Ave #404
Somerville, MA 02145
USA

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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TEC roster
Date: 30 Jul 1997 09:34:17 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> If TEC isn't willing to publish the information on members, then it doesn't
> seem
> appropriate for us to help promote members. What would be my line? "You
> should join TEC,
> give them money, and hope that they return the favor with information on
> expanding your
> collection."

I don't really think this is fair. I first contacted Howard
about TEC Membership in the early summer of 1995. He sent a sample issue
of TEC News and several free coins along with the membership information.
I continued a brief correspondence with him as well as with Anita Zell
and a few other TEC members whose addresses I got from that sample
newsletter. This correspondence ended because *I* got distracted by
other things and let them falter. When I joined TEC this last November I
again received numerous coins and have begun coresponding with several of
the existing members. I love the net, and all that is available here
regarding ECs, but without TEC much of it would not exist. It is a prime
motivating factor for elongated collecting. I doubt there is a single
private roller that is not a TEC Member. TEC has a lot to offer, its
just going through growing pains at the moment.

> I enjoy reading the TEC newsletter - however I've gained far
> more information from this mailing list.

Obviously I'm glad to hear the list has been so useful to you.
It's my baby and my pride and joy. But is was never intended to replace
TECN and I sure hope it never does. We need MORE outlets of information,
not less.

> I envision an online elongated penny museum where people can display their
> collections
> for the rest of the public to see.

And this vision WILL become a reality. Many people are working on
the foundations for just such a museum.

> I believe this vision should be
> supported by TEC -
> since this helps others get acquainted with the hobby. However, from the
> email I have seen
> of the current TEC leaders, I'm not convinced the focus is on the members
> of TEC.

Have you mentioned this to any of the TEC officers, Jeff? I
think it's a great idea and would fit well on the TEC website. Friday
evening we should know when/if that is going to happen in th near
future. Once we've got the go ahead to start the site we'll need to
discuss what to put there. The Dixon Virtual Elongate Museum is high on
my list.

>
> As much as I like to be a part of TEC, I am debating on letting my
> membership expire.
> I'm not asking all members of TEC to become 100% dedicated to net traffic.
> I agree some
> of the best ideas and feelings come from good ol' pencil and paper.
> However, TEC seems to be
> going out of its way to NOT promote the net and its avenues available to
> TEC members.

Please don't do this Jeff. I don't know how long you've been a
member of TEC, but it IS changing. Slowly,for sure, but surely. We need
to work withing TEC to improve it, not abandon it when it needs us most.
The key is to let our feelings be known. I encourage you to forward your
thoughts to both Corey and Rocky. I am also planning on mailing a large
number of the recent messages regarding TEC to members of the 'new' board
after the elction. They can't do what we want until they know what we
want. And if they don't do it when we ask, we ask again. If they still
don't do it, we demand it.

>
> In closing, I feel TEC should release the addresses of the members who wish
> to be published for free.
> I joined TEC to understand and learn about the people around me which
> collect elongated coins.
> Incouraging cooperation and conversations between members should be the
> primary focus of TEC
> in order to keep members in the future - cyberlings or not.
>
I couldn't agree more.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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Subject: RE: (elongates) cleaning
Date: 30 Jul 1997 11:51:33 -0500

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I still find good ol' brass polish to work the best.
All the mystic voodoo of lemon and ketchup stuff gets my hands all gunky. :)

Aaaah, yes it does, but all those chemicals in the brass/copper polishes give me a migraine!
-Kathy
The Penny Page

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Photographing Pennies
Date: 30 Jul 1997 13:25:20 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-30 00:57:27 EDT, you write:

> My local Kinko's management freaked HARD when they heard I was
> gonna place coins on their scanner. They were utterly convinved that
> there was no way to do this without scratching the glass. <sigh>
>
> Just thought I'd forewarn y'all.
>
> Aahz
>

Who cares about the glass??? Don't scratch the coins! :-)

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) IMHO
Date: 30 Jul 1997 13:25:26 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-30 08:02:22 EDT, you write:

> My thoughts on this have been made pretty clear. Willy reports
> that nearly fifty people have joined based on his web-site alone (I could
> be wrong on this number and Willy's gone for a few days, but needless to
> say TEC has had a HUGE leap in membership this year and it owes a lot of
> that to the 'net.
>

Some years back I too found out about them indirectly from cyberspace.

The future of collecting is dependent on introducing the hobby to new
members. Many new members can be found on the web. We owe it to the hobby
to cover all available meda. (They will still have to subscribe to the TEC
Newsletter to get the free EC anyway. :-)

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: (elongates) More notes on TEC and cyberspace
Date: 30 Jul 1997 13:54:06 -0400

Hi everybody,

After looking at my letter again - it seemed a little harsh. My intention
isn't to leave TEC until I'm convinced it's a loss cause.
I believe there are lots of great people in TEC - and I'm a bit frustrated
with the bad vibes I get from TEC leadership.

- Jeff

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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Road Trip: SF to DL
Date: 30 Jul 1997 14:58:38 -0400 (EDT)

If you are on Highway 17, the Roaring Camp and Big Trees Narrow Gauge
Railroad in Felton has a coin.

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) More notes on TEC and cyberspace
Date: 30 Jul 1997 12:15:30 -0700

Jeff,

A lot of us seem to feel the same. We want to move TEC AND our hobby
forward. Some good things may be happening... Willy is the President
nominee. He's savvy about email, web pages etc. Let's see if he gets
elected and then assist him in moving into new areas.

I have made my views known to the list and I appreciate you all letting
me share my thoughts. I think we have a very good chance to effect some
change. Hey, if we can bring in lots of net savvy new collectors (we just
got another one last night!) we become a bigger voice in TEC and can move
things in a way that benefits all members.

Hang in there, keep smashin', and keep letting us know your thoughts.
Change doesn't happen easily, but it can start with "a bit" of
frustration and lead to some new growth.

bc

On 7/30/97 10:54 AM Jeff Dixon (jeffd@kurzweil.com ) wrote

>Hi everybody,
>
>After looking at my letter again - it seemed a little harsh. My intention
>isn't to leave TEC until I'm convinced it's a loss cause.
>I believe there are lots of great people in TEC - and I'm a bit frustrated
>with the bad vibes I get from TEC leadership.
>
>- Jeff

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From: tony dinto <stanton@eci.com>
Subject: (elongates) Star trek
Date: 30 Jul 1997 15:39:30 +0000

Hi,
This is my first email to all so please excuse the flubs.
Someone, wrote that they were looking for a Star Trek coin.
I am pretty sure i have one on a rolled nickel. There isn't any
script on it, but it looks like Mcoy, Spock, and Scotty standing in
a control room of some sort.
Contact me if this is any intrest to you.
Tony Dinto
stanton@eci.com

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) TEC's future
Date: 30 Jul 1997 16:23:04 -0400 (EDT)

Collecting elongated pennies is a growing hobbie that not many people know
about. The collectable/comic book store I go to couldn't believe that
elongates had web pages dedicated to them, they had very little literature
about them didn't have any pennies in their vast coin/money department. Does
TEC sell to stores to sell on the shelf??? If TEC was at least bi-monthy more
would buy it! Bi-monthy would only be 2 more issues a year! That doesn't
seem so hard to acomplish! A TEC web page is a must! More young people
would get into it if they could just discover it on the web! An internet/web
baised colum in TEC would introduce the web to the internet-illeterate. In
searching for info about elongated pennies...the web and this list are only
info I have! (I did find that encylopeida but is was $130, way to
expensive!) I would love to get TEC, but I want to see a copy first..... and
I would like it to be bi-monthly! My $0.02!
Liz

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: (elongates) ATTENTION TEC MEMBERS
Date: 30 Jul 1997 20:36:37 -0700

ATTENTION TO ALL TEC MEMBERS:

If you did not recieve the latest issue of the TEC NEWS, Please let ME
know (massey@clark.net). I will be picking up extras at the ANA this
Friday, and will gladly send you one.

It pains me greatly to announce that TEC Secretary, Howard Sharkey, will
no longer be able to hold his office, as he is quite ill. Although, he
is not so bad off as to not be able to enjoy a kind word from any of you
who care to send him one.
--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Star trek
Date: 30 Jul 1997 20:15:15 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, tony dinto wrote:

> Hi,
> This is my first email to all so please excuse the flubs.

No flubs, Tony. You did just fine 8-)

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TEC's future
Date: 30 Jul 1997 20:26:03 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 Egd9020@aol.com wrote:

>
> Collecting elongated pennies is a growing hobbie that not many people know
> about. The collectable/comic book store I go to couldn't believe that
> elongates had web pages dedicated to them, they had very little literature
> about them didn't have any pennies in their vast coin/money department. Does

I'm amazed they had any literature about them! I've never seen
any elongate literature in a coin shop. What do they have?

> TEC sell to stores to sell on the shelf???

No, TEC News is not designed for public distribution. It's a
club newsletter designed for club members, not the general public.

> expensive!) I would love to get TEC, but I want to see a copy first..... and
> I would like it to be bi-monthly! My $0.02!

As of Friday morning we apparently will have a new TEC
Secretary. As soon as this person is announced, I'll post their address
and you can write and request a sample copy.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: tclh@hilconet.com
Subject: (elongates) Greetings from Texas
Date: 30 Jul 1997 22:38:45 -0500

Hello all,
My name is Trey and I live just west of San Antonio. Aahz invited me to
suscribe about 3 weeks ago, and I have been lurking since that time.

I became interested in elongates thru my children. The coins were
inexpensive gifts brought home from my travels. However, I really got
hooked in early June while at Disney World. The 25th anniversary
quarter elongates were just the ticket. I wish I had planned ahead and
packed a roll of silver quarters.

My oldest daughter decided to assemble her set a little late in our
trip. She has multiples of at least 8 of the coins, but is missing 4-5
coins needed to complete a set. If anyone is interested in trading to
complete sets, I will post a trade list. Also, I may be able to help
with machine locations for those going to D.W. in September. Some are a
little difficult to find.

Many thanks for the invitation to suscribe to the list, Aahz.

Trey

PS I am a newbie. What does it mean when a sentence ends with 8-?
Thanks,
TH

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ATTENTION TEC MEMBERS
Date: 30 Jul 1997 20:56:37 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> It pains me greatly to announce that TEC Secretary, Howard Sharkey, will
> no longer be able to hold his office, as he is quite ill. Although, he
> is not so bad off as to not be able to enjoy a kind word from any of you
> who care to send him one.

Wow, they're dropping like flies. (Not meant to sound as crass
as it comes off). Every contact I have had with Howard has been
wonderful. He seems like a wonderful man and has certainly given his all
to TEC. I am very saddened by this announcement 8-(

So, it lloks like TEC is goin to have at least two new officers.
I wonder who they'll put up for Secretary. This election just gets more
and more interesting.

By theway, I have decided to run for TEC Director. There are
supposed to be three Director slots, but it appears that only two are
currently filled. I doubt that I have a chance of winning as I have
never personally met a single other TEC member and have corresponded with
only three or four members that will be at the meeting. But, I figured I
had to try. So, if you're going, I would appreciate your vote. I will
never be able to fill the shoes of the likes of Howard and Gus, but I
certainly hope to assist in pulling TEC thru this difficult time.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Greetings from Texas
Date: 30 Jul 1997 21:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 tclh@hilconet.com wrote:

> Hello all,
> My name is Trey and I live just west of San Antonio. Aahz invited me to
> suscribe about 3 weeks ago, and I have been lurking since that time.

Welcome to the list, Trey. The first message is the hardest. 8-)

> PS I am a newbie. What does it mean when a sentence ends with 8-?

Hmm, this is a new one on me. My emoticon useage is pretty much
limited to the smiley 8-), frown 8-(, and wink ;). I suppose this could
mean questioning. I've got a LONG list of smilies around here somewhere...

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: tclh@hilconet.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Greetings from Texas
Date: 30 Jul 1997 23:03:49 -0500

> Welcome to the list, Trey. The first message is the hardest. 8-)
>
> > PS I am a newbie. What does it mean when a sentence ends with 8-?
>
> Hmm, this is a new one on me. My emoticon useage is pretty much
> limited to the smiley 8-), frown 8-(, and wink ;). I suppose this could
> mean questioning. I've got a LONG list of smilies around here somewhere...
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
Thanks for the clarification on emotion usage. I think I understand
now.
Trey

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From: "tink!!!" <dvlgrl66hatesspam@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Greetings from Texas
Date: 30 Jul 1997 21:25:18 -0700

> >PS I am a newbie. What does it mean when a sentence ends with 8-?
>
> Hmm, this is a new one on me. My emoticon useage is pretty
> much limited to the smiley 8-), frown 8-(, and wink ;). I suppose
> this could mean questioning. I've got a LONG list of smilies around
> here somewhere...

and for the hardcore enthusiast, here is the addy for the canonical
smiley list;>

http://www.astro.umd.edu/~marshall/smileys.html

}8{{:) <-anyone remember a.l.f.?
}8<:} <-from a.f.d

-nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Emoticons
Date: 30 Jul 1997 21:42:19 -0700

On 7/30/97 9:25 PM tink!!! (dvlgrl66hatesspam@concentric.net ) wrote

>> >PS I am a newbie. What does it mean when a sentence ends with 8-?
>>
>> Hmm, this is a new one on me. My emoticon useage is pretty
>> much limited to the smiley 8-), frown 8-(, and wink ;). I suppose
>> this could mean questioning. I've got a LONG list of smilies around
>> here somewhere...
>
>and for the hardcore enthusiast, here is the addy for the canonical
>smiley list;>
>
>http://www.astro.umd.edu/~marshall/smileys.html
>
>}8{{:) <-anyone remember a.l.f.?
>}8<:} <-from a.f.d
>
>-nikki

Greetings All,

Here's a partial list... You may see some of these used on this mailing
list... 8-)
Source: <http://wwws.enterprise.net/fortknox/emoticon/smiley.html#emot000>

Full Abbreviated
Version Version
:-) Happy :)
(-: Left Handed/Australian (:
:-( Sad :(
;-) Winky ;)
#-) Oh, what a night! #)
:-O Yelling/Shocked :O
:-| Frowning :|

For those wanting a more 'aesthetically pleasing' emoticon you can use
the profile version... some examples are below:

:^) :^] ;^)

Perhaps, a semi-colon too far

So, when words absolutely fail you...

~~:-[ Net Flame
:-$ Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is
:-P Sticking Out Tongue
:-@ Screaming/Swearing/Very Angry/About To Be Sick
:*) Drunk/Clown
>;-> Wicked Grin
:-# Been Smacked In The Mouth/Wears A Brace/Kiss
R-) Broken Glasses
(:-) Bald
:-))) Is Very Fat
:-{} Wears Lipstick
=:-) A Dickhead
@:-) Wears A Turban
>:-> Leering
$-) Yuppie/Just Won A Large Sum Of Money
:,( Crying
:=) Two Noses
8:] Gorilla
8-) Wears Glasses
B:-) Wears Sun Glasses On Head
:-T Keeping A Straight Face/Tight Lipped
:-y Said With A Smile
:-| Disgusted/Grim/No Expression
:~-( Crying/Shed A Tear
:'-( Crying
:~(~~ Crying
:-Q A Smoker
:-! A Smoker
%-\ Has A Hangover
|-o Bored
:-X A Kiss/Lips Are Sealed
(:-D Has A Big Mouth
(:+) Has A Big Nose
:-{) Has A Moustache
:-* Just Ate Something Sour/Bitter Taste/Kiss
[:-) Is Wearing A Walkman

Definitely, off the wall!

Some people can't have anything else to do! ...those which are, frankly,
taking the p***!

(:-) Bicycle Helmets
:-)' Tends To Drool
=:-) Punk
+-:-) The Pope
O:-) An Angel
*<:-)> Santa
o-<:-{{{ Santa
*<|:-) Santa/A Clown
5:-) Elvis Presley
:-% Banker
:-: Mutant Smiley
(-:|:-) Siamese Twins
7:-) Fred Flinstone
:/7) Cyrano de Bergerac
C):-O
C):-O
C):-O
C):-O A Barbershop Quartet
3:-o A Cow
8:-) A Pig/A Little Girl
:\/ A Woodpecker
]:-> The Devil
,-) A One Eyed Winky
|-( Lost Contact Lenses
#:-) Matted Hair/Fur Hat/Crewcut/Messy Hair
&:-) Curly Hair
C=:-) A Chef
><:>== A Turkey
@}->-- A Rose
=|:-)= Uncle Sam/Abe Loncoln
7:) Ronald Reagan
+<:-| Monk/Nun
:_) A Boxer/Had a Fight/Nose Is Sliding Of Face
>>:-) Devil/Horrible User
>>>>(:-) A Hat Salesman
{ A Psycho
(:I An Egghead
b:-) A Baseball Fan/Has A Cap On
(-) Needs A Haircut
;-(*) Feels Sick
*****:-) Marge Simpson
[:] A Robot
:-[ A Vampire/Count Dracula/Pouting/Sarcastic
:-F A Bucktoothed Vampire/Has Major Dental Problems
:=) Orangutan/Has Two Noses
:-? Smokes A Pipe
:-8( Condescending
8-# Death/Dead
>>:-<< Mad
;^) Smirking
>>:-1 Klingon
:-----} Liar/Pinnochio
!-( Black Eye
) Cheshire Cat
(:-D Blabber Mouth
A Schizo *#*!^*&:-) phrenic
:-'| Has A Cold/Flu
:$) Donald Trump
:-.) Marilyn Monroe/Madonna
:-) 8 Dolly Parton
:-|:-| Deja'vu
><*:oDX A Clown
C|:-= Charlie Chaplin
:.) Cindy Crawford
=) Adolf Hitler
~:o A Baby
===:-D Don King
8(:-) Mickey Mouse/Walt Disney
(|-| F Robocop
3:*> Rudolph the Reindeer
P-) A Pirate
%-~ Picasso
':-) Has One Eyebrow

TLA's

Anything to avoid RSI (repetitive strain injury)

<g> Grin
ROFL Rolling on the floor, laughing
LOL Laughing out loud
IMHO In my humble opinion
IOHO In our humble opinion
IMO In my opinion
BTW By the way
RTFM Read the f****** manual

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Location Keeper Update...
Date: 30 Jul 1997 23:36:02 -0700

Greetings All,

For those who have joined the list in the last week or so, there are web
sites where you can find locations of elongated (smashed, squished,
rolled, smushed...) coins from around the world. Chris Aahz 'coined' (pun
intended) the name "location keepers' for those of us building up a
location resource. You can find my site called Smashed Coin Locator, and
use it to find Willy's, Kathy's and others.

Here's an update of what's new today:

Smashed Coin Locator Page Updated (This is the main page...)
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html

Engravers/Rollers/Designers Page Updated (Thanks to Willy Massey & Chris
Aahz for help on this!)
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/engravers.html

Arizona Page Updated
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/Arizona.html

New World Smashed Coin Locator Page started (more to come soon)
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/WorldSmashedCoins.
html

New England/UK Page
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/england.html

I have a serious (yeah!) backlog of locations and will get them on the
web site as soon as possible.

THANKS to all for emailing the locations. Please keep them coming!

Bert

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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade?
Date: 31 Jul 1997 02:34:54 -0400 (EDT)

I'm off to Santa Cruz this weekend, well Friday really.
I understand that there is one penny there, as shown on the Penny Page.
If anyone knows where this machine is or if there are any more machines, I'd
like to know. I'll keep an eye out for the mysterious Popeye machine.
If I'm lucky, I'm going to swing by the Winchester Mystery House and Big
Trees...Railroad and pick up a few more.
I'm going to be picking up some extras for trading, so if anyone wants one
and wants to trade, please let me know.

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade?
Date: 30 Jul 1997 23:46:06 -0700

Greetings,

On 7/30/97 11:34 PM ENTROPYM@aol.com (ENTROPYM@aol.com ) wrote

>I'm off to Santa Cruz this weekend, well Friday really.
>I understand that there is one penny there, as shown on the Penny Page.
>If anyone knows where this machine is or if there are any more machines, I'd
>like to know.

A friend had dinner on the pier recently and the restaurant folks told
him where to find the machine. It was on or near the pier...

>I'll keep an eye out for the mysterious Popeye machine.
>If I'm lucky, I'm going to swing by the Winchester Mystery House and Big
>Trees...Railroad and pick up a few more.
>I'm going to be picking up some extras for trading, so if anyone wants one
>and wants to trade, please let me know.

I'd love a pre-1982 penny from the Railroad (along with a description of
the machine, Eurolink vs somebody else's, location, etc). Thanks!

Bert

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ATTENTION TEC MEMBERS
Date: 31 Jul 1997 06:51:36 -0500

William C. Massey wrote:
>
> ATTENTION TO ALL TEC MEMBERS:
>
> If you did not recieve the latest issue of the TEC NEWS, Please let ME
> know (massey@clark.net). I will be picking up extras at the ANA this
> Friday, and will gladly send you one.

My daughter has not received the latest issue. Could you please send
her one. Thanks.

Janelle for Kristina Henry
13231 179 1/2 Ave
Elk River, MN 55330

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) TEC roster
Date: 31 Jul 1997 08:36:17 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-30 22:36:43 EDT, you write:

<<
I consider myself a "cyberling" as well. At 22 years of age and working
as a professional in the computer industry, I embrace adding more
technology to TEC. >>

I must be the youngest Cyberling on this list.....I'm turning 20 on Aug 8! Is
there anyone younger??
Liz

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) TEC's future
Date: 31 Jul 1997 08:41:30 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-31 03:29:31 EDT, you write:

<< I'm amazed they had any literature about them! I've never seen
any elongate literature in a coin shop. What do they have?
>>

They just had that $130 encyclopedia of elongates that they ordered for
me....but I am not going to buy it.....that is one week's pay for me!
Liz
PS Ya, I know I have a crummy part-time job....

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade?
Date: 31 Jul 1997 09:36:48 -0400

There are two machines in Santa Cruz. The first one is the boardwalk
arcade. If you haven't been there before, it's located to the left
of the pier. The second is located on the pier - about halfway up in the
NorthWest corner of a gift shop. The gift shop penny, in my humble
opinion, is much better than the arcade penny. I'm looking for pre-1982
versions of both, and would like to trade/buy them from you.

- Jeff
At 02:34 AM 7/31/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm off to Santa Cruz this weekend, well Friday really.
>I understand that there is one penny there, as shown on the Penny Page.
>If anyone knows where this machine is or if there are any more machines, I'd
>like to know. I'll keep an eye out for the mysterious Popeye machine.
>If I'm lucky, I'm going to swing by the Winchester Mystery House and Big
>Trees...Railroad and pick up a few more.
>I'm going to be picking up some extras for trading, so if anyone wants one
>and wants to trade, please let me know.
>
>
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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade?
Date: 31 Jul 1997 10:08:57 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-31 10:02:47 EDT, you write:

<<
I'm off to Santa Cruz this weekend, well Friday really.
I understand that there is one penny there, as shown on the Penny Page.
If anyone knows where this machine is or if there are any more machines, I'd
like to know. I'll keep an eye out for the mysterious Popeye machine.
If I'm lucky, I'm going to swing by the Winchester Mystery House and Big
Trees...Railroad and pick up a few more.
I'm going to be picking up some extras for trading, so if anyone wants one
and wants to trade, please let me know.


>>
I don't think the popeye machine is there any more,but I found it in an
archade.... I would like a winchester mystery house penny though.... I was
there a long time ago!
liz

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) TEC's future
Date: 31 Jul 1997 11:04:07 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-30 20:14:17 EDT, you write:

> I would love to get TEC, but I want to see a copy first..... and
> I would like it to be bi-monthly! My $0.02!
> Liz

I'd like to see it more often, even if sponsored by penney press companies
pushing the locations of their machines just to get us to buy from them. :-)

But, at the subscription price it's a bargan!

-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

P.S. Just signed up my daughter too!

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade?
Date: 31 Jul 1997 09:14:14 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 ENTROPYM@aol.com wrote:

> I'm off to Santa Cruz this weekend, well Friday really.
> I understand that there is one penny there, as shown on the Penny Page.
> If anyone knows where this machine is or if there are any more machines, I'd

The machine is in the main arcade at the Boardwalk.

> like to know. I'll keep an eye out for the mysterious Popeye machine.

The Popeye machine has not been there for many years. Popeye
used to be the mascot for the Boardwalk. When he left as their mascot
his penny left as well.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) ATTENTION TEC MEMBERS
Date: 31 Jul 1997 12:35:05 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-31 00:00:05 EDT, you write:

> By theway, I have decided to run for TEC Director. There are
> supposed to be three Director slots, but it appears that only two are
> currently filled. I doubt that I have a chance of winning as I have
> never personally met a single other TEC member and have corresponded with
> only three or four members that will be at the meeting. But, I figured I
> had to try. So, if you're going, I would appreciate your vote. I will
> never be able to fill the shoes of the likes of Howard and Gus, but I
> certainly hope to assist in pulling TEC thru this difficult time.
>

How do we get a ballot?

-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ATTENTION TEC MEMBERS
Date: 31 Jul 1997 09:38:35 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-07-31 00:00:05 EDT, you write:
>
> > By theway, I have decided to run for TEC Director. There are
>
> How do we get a ballot?

That's one of the reasons I'm running. You don't get to vote
unless you attend the meeting. This is a direct violation of the
Constitution and By-Laws but it's what is happening this year. This
election screw-up is really what started the messages about the TEC
administration. Several of us has expressed our displeasure, but there
simply was not time before the election to do anything about it.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) ATTENTION TEC MEMBERS
Date: 31 Jul 1997 14:29:36 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-31 12:41:20 EDT, you write:

> > How do we get a ballot?
>
>
> That's one of the reasons I'm running. You don't get to vote
> unless you attend the meeting. This is a direct violation of the
> Constitution and By-Laws but it's what is happening this year. This
> election screw-up is really what started the messages about the TEC
> administration. Several of us has expressed our displeasure, but there
> simply was not time before the election to do anything about it.
>
What are the rules about absent ballots or proxies?

-Bob Hoff
TEC #2033

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade?
Date: 31 Jul 1997 11:39:21 -0700

On 7/31/97 7:08 AM Liz Dale (Egd9020@aol.com ) wrote

>I don't think the popeye machine is there any more,but I found it in an
>archade.... I would like a winchester mystery house penny though.... I was
>there a long time ago!
>liz

Liz,

Is the Popeye in an arcade now? Where?

There are 3 pennis from Winchester if I remember correctly. All older
Eurolink machines.

Bert

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade?
Date: 31 Jul 1997 18:13:20 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-31 17:46:31 EDT, you write:

<<

Is the Popeye in an arcade now? Where? >>

I was there about 14 years ago when I was 6 or 7. I don't remember which
archade it was in. I was only at the santa cruze boardwalk once while on
vacation in CA. Sorry I don't have more info!
Liz

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: (elongates) Maine...
Date: 31 Jul 1997 19:24:46 -0400

Anybody out there know of any elongate machines in Maine or maybe New
Brunswick, Canada? I'm taking a 'little' trip next week from Mass. to
Ft. Kent Maine on the N.B. Canada border. Nver seen a machine in Maine,
but ya never know...

Thanks all.

Ben Lavine mcsquare@erols.com

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From: CWFIII@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Disney Coins
Date: 31 Jul 1997 20:19:34 -0400 (EDT)

I'm a new guy to the list and am surprised to find the number of individuals
contributing to this board, what a cooperative group. I was just at DL a
couple of weeks ago for the NFFC convention and picked up a set three
quarters and three pennies all of which are dated 1995 and disneyana on the
tops, any ideas as to what exactly I have got here? Also, I remeber reading
previously that someone was working on a catalog of the Disney (land and
world) coins to date, is something like that available yet? Any info would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Carl

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Coins
Date: 31 Jul 1997 18:35:33 -0700

Carl,

Welcome to the list! You will find this a very active group!

Where did you find the Disneyana coins (what is NFFC)?

Thanks

Bert

On 7/31/97 5:19 PM CWFIII@aol.com (CWFIII@aol.com ) wrote

>I'm a new guy to the list and am surprised to find the number of individuals
>contributing to this board, what a cooperative group. I was just at DL a
>couple of weeks ago for the NFFC convention and picked up a set three
>quarters and three pennies all of which are dated 1995 and disneyana on the
>tops, any ideas as to what exactly I have got here? Also, I remeber reading
>previously that someone was working on a catalog of the Disney (land and
>world) coins to date, is something like that available yet? Any info would be
>greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks

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From: CWFIII@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: (elongates) Disney Coins
Date: 31 Jul 1997 21:53:55 -0400 (EDT)

The NFFC is the national fantasy fan club (can't use the name for legal
reasons you know) a Disneyana organization that has annual conventions and
sales at the Hyatt Regency in Anaheim, the coins are starting to hit with
some of the vendors and a few had some sets, the problem was determining the
dates for these sets.

This Disneyana set was one of them, the guy I bought it from seemed to think
that it was a castmember only deal, but as I said before, I don't know.

Carl

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Disneyana Question
Date: 31 Jul 1997 19:03:47 -0700

Greetings All,

If our coins are starting to show up at Disneyana conventions... then I
better get my pre-82's and head out the door!

Does anyone know of any other conventions this year?

Thanks!

Bert

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From: ... <...>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Greetings from Texas
Date: 31 Jul 1997 21:00:42 -0500

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Hello all,
My name is Trey and I live just west of San Antonio. Aahz invited me to
suscribe about 3 weeks ago, and I have been lurking since that time.

Howdy Trey!
Great to have another Texan in the group.

I became interested in elongates thru my children. The coins were
inexpensive gifts brought home from my travels. =20

I think it's great the way children get so excited about these coins. My =
nephew is 6 and he can't wait to see what his Aunt Kathy brings him. =
Rocky Rockholt has a set of dinosaurs that can be purchased and kids =
really get a kick out of them.

However, I really got hooked in early June while at Disney World. The =
25th anniversary
quarter elongates were just the ticket. I wish I had planned ahead and
packed a roll of silver quarters.

Maybe some one here can help you find the other's you need to complete =
the set!

My oldest daughter decided to assemble her set a little late in our
trip. She has multiples of at least 8 of the coins, but is missing 4-5
coins needed to complete a set. If anyone is interested in trading to
complete sets, I will post a trade list. Also, I may be able to help
with machine locations for those going to D.W. in September. Some are a
little difficult to find.

I'd be interested. My sister is going in Sept and I won't let her come =
back till she spent every quarter and penny I give her!

What does it mean when a sentence ends with 8-?

Well, just turn your head to the left and SMILE!
:-) 8-)
Do you see it?

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Coins
Date: 31 Jul 1997 19:42:00 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 CWFIII@aol.com wrote:

> I'm a new guy to the list and am surprised to find the number of individuals
> contributing to this board, what a cooperative group.

Welcome! And thanx for the compliment 8-)

> I was just at DL a
> couple of weeks ago for the NFFC convention and picked up a set three
> quarters and three pennies all of which are dated 1995 and disneyana on the
> tops, any ideas as to what exactly I have got here?

You've got some wonderful momentos that some people would like to
get their hands on. Especially me 8-)

> Also, I remeber reading
> previously that someone was working on a catalog of the Disney (land and
> world) coins to date, is something like that available yet? Any info would be
> greatly appreciated.

That's me! I'm working on cataloging all the Disney coins. As
far as I know this has never been done. At the moment it is moving
slowly. I have most of the info on 'permanent' machines at DL, little
info on WDW, and know of only a few limited edition coins.

However, I WILL get this project completed, I just don't know when.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ATTENTION TEC MEMBERS
Date: 31 Jul 1997 19:48:50 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> What are the rules about absent ballots or proxies?

Well the rules (in the form of the TEC Constitution and By-Laws)
detail a very specific manner for elections which basic boils down to
eavery member is supposed to receive a ballot and a numbered envelope.
Everyone completes their ballot and mails it in. The ballots are counted
and the results announced at the meeting. This year, for reasons that
have yet been reasonably explained to me, no ballots went out and there
will be a live vote at the meeting. That's all I know.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) New State Added (Nebraska)
Date: 31 Jul 1997 19:58:59 -0700

Evening!

I just got a report from an online friend (Kathy in Benson AZ). She has a
friend that was in Kearney Nebraska and found a machine at Cabela's. A
quick search found this info:

>You'll find a huge wildlife and fish display among the aisles of the
>world's foremost outdoor outfitter. Roam the store with deer, elk, moose,
>bobcats, cougars, record stringers of fish and more. East Highway 30.
>(308)237-7999

The new Nebraska page is at:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/nebraska.html

8->

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) SCBB Popeye Penny
Date: 31 Jul 1997 19:51:32 -0700 (PDT)

I thought I'd already posted this info, but apparently not:

Accoding to the buyer at the Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk the Popeye penny
was replaced with the current logo penny about five years ago when SCBB
lost the contract with Popeye (or his agent 8-). He used to be their
mascot, thus was on their penny. When he was no longer the mascot he was
removed from the penny.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: Re: (elongates) Disney Coins
Date: 31 Jul 1997 19:58:48 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 CWFIII@aol.com wrote:

> sales at the Hyatt Regency in Anaheim, the coins are starting to hit with
> some of the vendors and a few had some sets, the problem was determining the
> dates for these sets.
>
> This Disneyana set was one of them, the guy I bought it from seemed to think
> that it was a castmember only deal, but as I said before, I don't know.

I'm sorry, I misunderstand this question in your previous post.
What design/words are on the coins? You said they were a 1995 set. Is
this based on the date of the coin or is the date in the design?

Peace,

Aahz
(Who's not always as flippant as he was in his prior post)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182 SECA Co-Founder
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Photographing Pennies
Date: 30 Jul 1997 10:45:33 -0700

On 7/30/97 10:25 AM R0BERTH0FF@aol.com (R0BERTH0FF@aol.com ) wrote

>Who cares about the glass??? Don't scratch the coins! :-)
>
>-Bob Hoff
>TEC#2033

Priceless comment Bob!

Bert

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Photographing Pennies
Date: 30 Jul 1997 13:52:08 -0400

*grin*
At 01:25 PM 7/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-07-30 00:57:27 EDT, you write:
>
>> My local Kinko's management freaked HARD when they heard I was
>> gonna place coins on their scanner. They were utterly convinved that
>> there was no way to do this without scratching the glass. <sigh>
>>
>> Just thought I'd forewarn y'all.
>>
>> Aahz
>>
>
>Who cares about the glass??? Don't scratch the coins! :-)
>
>-Bob Hoff
>TEC#2033
>
>
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