As time passes, we hope retiring Cast Members as well as advanced collectors and other people in the industry will continue to share their knowledge with fellow collectors via this forum. As coin dies and marquees are discovered / reported we are slowly divining the fate of "lost" items.
Eventually, confirmed dispositions of Disney penny press machine dies will be added to the ParkPennies.com coin guides as an enhancement to the existing "Current" and "Retired" notations. New guide notations will include "Canceled" for coin dies that have proven to be no longer capable of pressing an original or unaltered coin again, "Assigned" for sold, auctioned, gifted or awarded coin dies that can still press original coins, and "Lost" for dies that still have an uncertain status. Last but not least, in time, we hope to add proof of canceled dies by adding images of coins that were pressed by canceled dies to this Disneyland pressed penny dies and canceled coins guide.
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Pressed Coin & Die Numbering Systems How to Identify Individual Pressed Coin Dies &
The Elongated Coins Made by Each Coin Die
The ParkPennies coin and die numbering systems identify elongated coins and elongated coin dies by number based on age, design, and linage. Because of this numbering system, you can collect one "Gate", "Park", themed set, or entire resort independently by guide. You'll know the guide numbers used to identify the coins you already have. Also you'll know which coins you need to complete a set, what they look like, when they were onstage and their guide numbers for easy identification when searching for them. From here down are details only advanced collectors will care about. But, this is ParkPennies and this is what we do. :-)
On occasion, an elongated coin die may press its first coin in say, Disneyland Park. To identify the coin it would be given an appropriate "DL" guide number prefix. Possibly that same die, might be moved to say Disney California Adventure at later time. If so, a coin pressed on that same die at that new location, would be given an appropriate "CA" guide number. A later backstamp change would again result in a new coin and coin guide number. So, coins pressed on that single die could in theory have a few different guide numbers. However, the basic pressed coin die number would remain the same and will make it clear when / if one coin die is represented by more than one pressed coin because the all the coins pressed by that die will share the same pressed coin die number.
Side note: Would a coin pressed by the original "DL" machine located at the new "CA" location be identical to a coin from the original location? Maybe. However, additional die ware or die sinking could be evident in the later pressing. Also, it is likely the backstamps would be different.
How the Coin Die Numbers are assigned: Example: "DLP0002.0.1" "DLP"=Disneyland Park, "0002"=The root number that identifies this coin die as the second onstage elongated coin die at The Disneyland Park, ".0"= The die has not been modified since it pressed the first coin in Disneyland Park, .1 The coin made with this die was matched with the die's first reverse or backstamp die (no backstamp=.0). The current prefixes are: "DLP"= Disneyland Park, "DCA"= Disney California Adventure, "DRP"= Disneyland Resort Property, "CMP"= Cast Member and Special Event, "DSP"= Disneyland Shop, "DNP"= Disney Neverland Prototypes, "DOP"= Disneyland Off Property, and "DWP"= Disney WannaBe Tributes.
ParkPennies Pressed Coin Numbering and Die Numbering systems link all coins made from the same obverse die, reveal the age of the die and coin, the earliest coin ever pressed on the die and the order of all the elongated coins that followed. What's the oldest pressed coin or coin die? What other coins have been pressed by this same die? Just sort the pressed coins by the lowest coin die number. Just sort the pressed coins by coin die number to find other coins that share the same root die number. Collecting all the coins issued at one park or a themed set, the ParkPennies pressed coin numbers are all you need. Enjoy. PS I'm sorry, this section is such a confusing mess, not that I have to mention that to you. :-) I hope to re-write it soon. But, for now, I hope this information will be of some help. Happy collecting, Boomer.
This Canceled Elongated Coin and Die Guide currently covers only a small number of elongated coins / dies. However, chances are that it will grow. Advanced collectors will tell us that elongated coins are collected based on the die that pressed them, so canceled coins and dies are the focus here. These are not just retired or taken off-stage coin dies. These "pressed penny" dies have not only been taken off-stage, they have been modified, engraved or even mutilated in such a way as to prevent the possibility of pressing of any additional "original" coins. Some coin dies have had etched devices added to the original engravings to forever change the appearance of coins pressed by the dies. In some cases, backstamps that read "retired" were added to memorialize "proof" canceled coins as per the example to the left of this digressive prose.:-) After cancellation, the long time custom of "Rollers" or elongated coin makers, has been to press some coins on the canceled die to "prove" its cancellation, then sometimes modify the die in such a way that it can no longer roll any coins. We currently believe that to be the practice at Disneyland given the milling of the Mulan coin dies and the welding / plating of the Jack Steiner die.
Avid collectors know that thousands of elongated coin dies have been made for / by the various Disney Resorts and then taken offstage over the past twenty-plus years. A good number of Disneyana collectors have also had an interest in what happened to these dies. And we all know Disneyland elongated coin collectors who have hoped "retired" Disney dies would be canceled for years. Then around 2005, we started seeing evidence that the dies were really being "permanently retired" via cancellation. This is great news for collectors who have made an extra effort to press elongated coins at the park and collectors that have acquired "retired" coins from other collectors at a premium price. Of course, canceled dies / coins rolled by canceled dies are the best evidence that the dies can no longer press original coins or return to the Disneyland stage.
Canceled Mulan Penny Press Machine Dies Images courtesy of the Lou S. Collection
Top view of the canceled penny press die shows
and Tinker Bell images
Bottom view of the canceled penny press die shows
cut almost through the die
End view of the canceled penny press die shows
curvature of the die
and the machined groove
CDL Canceled Disneyland ® Elongated Coins (Scarce)
Canceled die coin numbers are prefixed by a "C" e.g. CDL0121 for easy identification.
REVERSE (Horizontal image) RETIRED. This stamp featured on the DL0121, DL0122 and DL0123 Mulan set pressed penny set. This Mulan set is the first set of canceled dies or canceled coins offered by Disney. 188 sets were pressed for sale by Disney Auctionears. About six sets were known sold via these auctions as of mid 2005 at the time the three canceled dies were also auctioned. (See also CDL0121-123 type 2 coins.) Image courtesy of the Lou Smith Collection.
This is a representative image of this style reverse or backstamp. However, each coin type in this set may have a slightly different reverse image as each coin type has a separate and slightly unique backstamp engraving. 123
This is a close up of the Tinker Bell stamp used to cancel the DL0121, DL0122 and DL0123 Mulan pressed penny set. For clarification we have added an outline of a similar Tinker Bell image to the left of the canceling mark.
(The name "Tinkerbell" is not used by Disney.)
This is a representative image of the Tinker Bell canceling mark used on this set of coins. However, each coin type in this set may have a slightly different canceling mark as each coin type has a separate and slightly unique engraving or etching. (See also CDL0121-123 type 2 coins.)
This is a close up of the small bit of "RETIRED" as seen on a "standard" roll coin. It was added to the DL0121, DL0122 and DL0123 Mulan pressed penny set after the first coins were pressed. This mark and a blank back are the defining differences between the first and second Mulan canceled coin types. Click on the image to see a large close up of this coin showing both the "RETIRED" and Tinker Bell etchings used to cancel this die set.
Here is a close up of the "RETIRED" on specially rolled planchets to show the full etching. It was added to the DL0121, DL0122 and DL0123 Mulan pressed penny set after the first coins were pressed. This mark and a blank back are the defining differences between the first and second Mulan canceled coin types. Click on the image to see a large close up of this coin showing both the "RETIRED" and Tinker Bell etchings used to cancel this die set.
Images courtesy of the C. Neal Collection.