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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Engraver
Date: 15 Oct 1997 15:29:42 -0700

On 10/15/97 9:32 AM tony dinto (stanton@eci.com ) wrote

>Hi,
> Could some please tell me who is or was F.C. Spadone?
>I have a coin with his name spelled out that way.
>Thank You,
>Tony

Hi Tony,

I checked my engravers web page and found this:

>
> John G. Spadone
>
> Roller
> Initials JGS

That's all the info I have. It came from Howard (TEC SEC) earlier this
year. You might want to ask Willy Massey. He's the President of TEC now
and really knows the business. You could also ask (phone or snail mail)
Ray Dillard, he'd probably know. The older TEC members are a wealth of
info!

My engravers web site is at:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/engravers.html

Please send me any info you find on engravers so I can share it with
everyone...

Hope this helps

bc

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) ADMINISTRATIVE NOTE
Date: 15 Oct 1997 15:04:23 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

I just sent out the second digest for the list. I'm doing them
manually as Xmission is still ignoring my requests for help. I noticed a
couple things I feel the need to bring up, however.

We have a fairly large proportion of 'me too' messages. On this list
a 'me too' message is essentially when someone says "I just got a few
copies of x who wants one?" and people reply "I want one". The list
exists for this purpose, but please send these "me too" messages directly
to the original poster via 'e-mail'. Rarely is a third party interested
in these posts and they just fill mailboxes needlessly.

The primary reason people give for unsubscribing from the list is
"too much traffic". What this actually means is: "too much stuff I don't
care about". What they're usually talking about is off-topic posts and
'me too' messages.

Personally, I enjoy the off-topic messages and think they help
build friendships and a sense of community. As do the frquent one-liner
jokes that appear as responses. These are the things that keep a list
from being dry and boring. But the 'me too' messages really do nothing
for the list as a whole.

I know that I am guilty of all of the above offenses, but the
only one I intend to curb is the 'me too' messages. I'd appreciate the
cooperation of the rest of the list in doing the same thing.

Now back to your scheduled e-mail....

Peace,

Aahz

Chris Aahz
List-owner

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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knott's Berry Farm
Date: 15 Oct 1997 18:24:34 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, rfritsch wrote:
>
> > I know this is a few days late, but most browsers will allow a download
> > of a graphical file to your hard drive. Try placing your cursor over
> > the icon for the file, then clicking the RIGHT mouse button. Often a
> > mini-menu appears where a download option is available. Also try your
> > menu bar, usually FILE, look for download options.
>
> Bob,
>
> Thanx, but I'm dealing with a MUCH older system here. I don't
> even have a mouse :) Anywayz, I use the Lynx browser and can download
> some images (ie. the images on David's Disneyland page). However, Kathy
> has her images placed 'Inline'. I'm not really sure what that means other
> then instead of seeing the image I just see [INLINE]. There is no way for
> me to download these images.
>
> The plus side of using Lynx is that pages load REALLY fast, and I
> still get the text which is (to moe) the most important part of 99% of the
> pages I visit.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

Hey, who's Moe?

Ben

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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Engraver
Date: 15 Oct 1997 18:26:17 -0400

tony dinto wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Could some please tell me who is or was F.C. Spadone?
> I have a coin with his name spelled out that way.
> Thank You,
> Tony

Hi Tony.

Frank Spadone is a dealer in New Jersey. I'm not sure if he's an
engraver. I have his address somewhere if you want it.

Ben mcsquare@erols.com

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knott's Berry Farm
Date: 15 Oct 1997 15:52:32 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, BLMC wrote:

> Chris Aahz wrote:
> >
> > The plus side of using Lynx is that pages load REALLY fast, and I
> > still get the text which is (to moe) the most important part of 99% of the
> > pages I visit.
> >
>
> Hey, who's Moe?
>
> Ben
>
>
You don't know Moe? I thought EVRYBODY knew Moe! Well, let's
just say he'll introduce himself when he's ready.

;)

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Getting Images With Txt Browsers
Date: 15 Oct 1997 16:14:22 -0700

On 10/15/97 3:24 PM BLMC (mcsquare@erols.com ) wrote

>> Thanx, but I'm dealing with a MUCH older system here. I don't
>> even have a mouse :) Anywayz, I use the Lynx browser and can download
>> some images (ie. the images on David's Disneyland page). However, Kathy
>> has her images placed 'Inline'. I'm not really sure what that means other
>> then instead of seeing the image I just see [INLINE]. There is no way for
>> me to download these images.
>>
>> The plus side of using Lynx is that pages load REALLY fast, and I
>> still get the text which is (to moe) the most important part of 99% of the
>> pages I visit.

Chris, and anyone with a text only browser...

You can try this and see if it works...

If you are able to see the html source of a page, read on... Many
browsers allow you to download the source html. If you have the source,
you can read the paths to the images and download them. Example:

Go to Kathy's page at:

http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/sandollar_gulf_shores.htm

Get the source html. Go down the source about 10 lines and you will see:

>src="images/gulf_shores_sand_dollar_hr.gif" width="185"

This is the location where the Sand Dollar image is (the URL).

So you can go to:

http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/images/gulf_shores_sand_dollar_hr.gi
f

and you will get the image. Let me know if this works...

Bert

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) The Chris Catalog
Date: 15 Oct 1997 16:18:33 -0700

On 10/15/97 2:43 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>Then, in July I started toying
>around with the new system and mentioned it to Bert, who started
>pestering me about it until I got details worked out. ;)

Pester, Pester, Pester... It is not easy being a location keeper, but
someone has to do it!

8-)

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From: Chris Aahz <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Getting Images With Txt Browsers
Date: 15 Oct 1997 17:32:41 -0600 (MDT)

On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> >> Thanx, but I'm dealing with a MUCH older system here. I don't
> >> even have a mouse :) Anywayz, I use the Lynx browser and can download
>
> Chris, and anyone with a text only browser...
>
> You can try this and see if it works...

YES!!!! Thanx Bert! I knew all you techie types were good for
sumthin ;)

I'm off to start yanking images. Muwahahahahaha

Aahz

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From: RobertHoff@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Trade List; Old Disney Mostly
Date: 15 Oct 1997 20:42:54 -0400 (EDT)

Hi;

I'm just getting around to a complete inventory of my Disney coins. We have
been rolling them for years, depositing them in drawers, books, stuck them
on the fridge even put them in coin books and of course, mixed them up with
non-Disney! Now, that they are slowly making their way to their new home,
I find I have a *few* extras and *lots* of wants. Maybe we can help fill
each
other's collections with some trades? :-)

I have extras of:
Cents:
DIS-DL-7, "Splash Mountain", nice copper, nice zinc, or ugly zinc.
DIS-DL-6 "Country Bear Playhouse", nice copper.
DIS-DL-9a, "Mickey Mouse Disneyland" (Mickey Rays, 3D ears),nice copper.

Nickels:
40 Year / Adventure Nickel-DIS-DL-52, nice.

I need:
Cents:
DIS-DL-1 Mickey rays, Flat ears, "Disneyland"
DIS-DL-9 Mickey rays, Flat ears. "Mickey Mouse Disneyland"
DIS-DL-10 "Mickey Sixty Years Disneyland"

Nickels:
DIS-DL-11 "35 Years of Magic Disneyland"
DIS-DL-12 "1995 Annual Passholder"
DIS-DL-86 "Happy New Year 1997 Disneyland"
DIS-DL-87 "Happy Holidays 1996 Disneyland"
DIS-DL-88 "Seasons Greetings 1996 Disneyland"
DIS-TDA-1 "Open House '95"
DIS-TDA-2 "Ron Dominguez Disneyland"
DIS-TDA-3 "Building Our Future The Pieces Come Together"

Let's Trade!

-Bob Hoff

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DON'T Mail me anything
Date: 15 Oct 1997 18:32:59 -0000

Hi chris,
just wanted to let you know i already mailed those coins for the auction.
They went out on Tuesday Oct. 14. Hope they get to you before you move.
Gina

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Fast TDL HELP!!!!
Date: 16 Oct 1997 04:50:52 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-15 18:47:48 EDT, you write:

> Hi to those of you online at the moment,
>
> Does anyone have a complete list of the Tokyo coins? I just ran home to
> get the list so I can get it to a friend who may (MAY) be able to arrange
> for someone to visit Tokyo Disneyland next week...
>
> Thanks for any complete lists you may have (in the next few mins)
>
Chip 'n' Dale, full length, horizontal, dated 1997
Huey, Dewey and Louie, heads, horizontal, dated 1997
Caste, horizontal, "Tokyo Disneyland", dated 1997
Megara, head on left, "Hercules" horizontal, not dated
Hercules, head on right, "Hercules", not dated
Goofy
Pluto

Not sure it's right. Last I heard, there are 9 of them.

-Bob Hoff

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) SD Update
Date: 16 Oct 1997 02:20:28 -0700

The San Diego Union newspaper article continues to generate emails on
EC's! Here's an update I just got from someone in San Diego... I hope to
have a new location for the Smashed Coin Locator within a week, and will
add these updates soon...

bc
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Stephen Birch Aquarium:
I only found 1 machine, it does make 3 different designs though.
1 - (H) [design of a fish] "Stephen Birch Aquarium - Museum - San Diego"
2 - (H) [design of ship and trident] "Scripps Institute of Oceanography"
3 - (H) [design of an octopus] "Stephen Birch Aquarium - Museum

Mission Bay Visitor Center

1 - (H) [sailing ships on bay] "San Diego Mission Bay"
2 - (H) [Coronado Bay Bridge] "San Diego"
3 - (H) [Whale] "Whale Watching San Diego - Cabrillo
National Monument

Sea World
I stopped counting and actually didn't keep to close of track of these.
Some
that aren't on your list are:

Penguin Encounter gift shop (one machine - four selections)
1 - (V)[design of penguin] "Emperor Penguin - Sea World of California"
2-(V)[Sea World emblem] "Sea World of California" 3 (H)[design of shark]
"Sea World of California" 4(V) [puffin] "Puffin - Sea World of
California"

Wild Artic Gift shop (one machine - four selections)
1 - (H)[polar bear] "Wild Artic - Sea World"
2- (H)[Shamu] "Sea World of California"
3 - (H)[shark] "Sea World of California" 4 (H) [polar bear-different than
design #1) "Wild Artic - Sea World

Gift shop by exit (one machine - three designs)
1 - (V)[Cap'n Kidd] "Sea World of California
2 - (V)[O.P. Otter] "Sea World of California"
3 (V) [Seamore Sea Lion] "Sea World of California"

I also have a penny from San Diego's 200th anniversary (in 1969) that came
from Old Town
1 - (V)[emblem with Junipero Serra and Juan Cabrillo] "1769 - 1969 San
Diego
200"

Also the third machine is back at the wild animal park with a new design
1 - (H) [large number 25] "San Diego Wild animal park - 25 years"

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Trade List; Old Disney Mostly
Date: 16 Oct 1997 05:31:15 -0500

RobertHoff@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi;
>
> I'm just getting around to a complete inventory of my Disney coins. We have
> been rolling them for years, depositing them in drawers, books, stuck them
> on the fridge even put them in coin books and of course, mixed them up with
> non-Disney! Now, that they are slowly making their way to their new home,
> I find I have a *few* extras and *lots* of wants. Maybe we can help fill
> each
> other's collections with some trades? :-)
>
> I have extras of:
> Cents:
> DIS-DL-7, "Splash Mountain", nice copper, nice zinc, or ugly zinc.
> DIS-DL-6 "Country Bear Playhouse", nice copper.
> DIS-DL-9a, "Mickey Mouse Disneyland" (Mickey Rays, 3D ears),nice copper.
>

>

>
> Let's Trade!
>
> -Bob Hoff

I would love your coppers of the 3 pennies. I can offer MN pennies from
the MN Zoo, MN Science Museum, Underwater World, Knott's Camp Snoopy
from Mall of America.

Flats

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From: Zarminator@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Sea World
Date: 16 Oct 1997 06:45:22 -0400 (EDT)

Hi, I sent this letter a while ago but it never was sent so, I am out of
Sea World sets I am trying to go back to get more sets soon.

Kelly

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Trade List; Old Disney Mostly
Date: 16 Oct 1997 13:50:14 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-16 09:06:11 EDT, you write:

> I would love your coppers of the 3 pennies. I can offer MN pennies from
> the MN Zoo, MN Science Museum, Underwater World, Knott's Camp Snoopy
> from Mall of America.
>
> Flats

Hi Flats!

Sorry these babies are to trade for old Disney only.
There maybe other list members that have some donno.
If I can get two full sets (one for me and one for the kid)
together, then I would trade or sell my extras. But,
many poeple with olies will only trade for same.

-Bob

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Auction stuff
Date: 16 Oct 1997 16:17:22 -0400 (EDT)

Hi!

I tried to choose ec's of general interest.
Hope you'll all bid on them at the list auction! :-)

Penny: "Steamboat Willie", DIS-DL-18
Nickel: "Work is the Curse of the Drinking Class" w/picture of beer mug.
Dime: "200 Years" Presbyterian Church, USA.
Quarter: "Statue of Liberty" w/ picture of some woman holding a torch?. :-)
Half Dollar: "Proud to be Italian American" cent size impression, off to the
left of the coin w/picture map of US over-laid with map of Italy.

-Bob Hoff

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Auction stuff
Date: 16 Oct 1997 14:05:39 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I tried to choose ec's of general interest.
> Hope you'll all bid on them at the list auction! :-)

Wow! Neat stuff coming in. Thanx Bob!

Peace,

Aahz

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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) (slightly off-topic) Highway Tokens?
Date: 16 Oct 1997 14:17:45 -0700

Does anybody collect highway tokens? We have a bunch from the New
Hampshire Turnpike.

- Jeff

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From: Chris Aahz <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: (elongates) OL: Cut down messages
Date: 16 Oct 1997 19:44:10 -0600 (MDT)

The (excellent) message from Alan got bounced because the system
thought it was a request to be removed from the list (remember to spell
the word 's*bscribe' with a star obliterating a letter).

However, it does give me a 'free' chance to respond 8-)

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Reply-To: alkita@earthlink.net

Dear Chris (and others):

The other day you had written that we should cut down our messages (the
reason being that so many was being sent that it is overwhelming and the
cause of many to uns*bscribe).

And you had written up some suggestions, and very good ones, too, that
we should all strive to follow.

But don't you include messages such as this...?

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > I tried to choose ec's of general interest.
> > Hope you'll all bid on them at the list auction! :-)
>
> Wow! Neat stuff coming in. Thanx Bob!
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

I hope you don't take this wrongly...because I understand the need for
the auction and the need to bring it up lest we forget, but...

Just a humble opinion...oh please don't reply with "I agree" or "I
disagree" to the list...I'll understand if my opinion generates a flood
of email to my mailbox alone.

Alan

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Alan,

You're absolutely right! This was EXACTLY the kind of 'me too'
message that we should try to avoid. As I said in the original message,
I'm guilty of these things too. Thanx for setting me straight.

I do want to make clear that I was not trying to encourage fewer
messages overall, but rather fewer messages of the type Alan caught me
posting above. Many of us on the list LOVE the traffic and would be just
as happy with more. We just all need to think if what we're posting has
any possibility of being of interest to more then one other person on the
list.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) (slightly off-topic) Highway Tokens?
Date: 16 Oct 1997 19:46:12 -0600 (MDT)

On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Dixon, Jeff wrote:

>
> Does anybody collect highway tokens? We have a bunch from the New
> Hampshire Turnpike.

If you can't trade/sell 'em here on the list I recommend you take
'em to the next coin show you attend. You may be able to trade 'em for
elongates with one of the dealers there.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Building Elongates (would you like to trade)???
Date: 17 Oct 1997 00:26:14 -0400 (EDT)

Hi fellow elongate collectors-- --
If you would like any of these elongates -- -let me know --maybe we can
make a trade. (let me know what you have to trade)

All of these elongates have outlines ,(pictures), of buildings on them-- -

Vigo County court house--built 1885--Terre Haute , Ind.
Markle house--built 1884--Terre Haute, Ind.
Terre Haute hause--built 1880--7th and Wabash
Depot--Fenton ,Mich.--1834-1984--150years
Seminary--Fenton ,Mich.--1834-1984-150years
Thank you Al Smith

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From: rfritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) (slightly off-topic) Highway Tokens?
Date: 17 Oct 1997 08:28:55 -0400

Dixon, Jeff wrote:
>
> Does anybody collect highway tokens? We have a bunch from the New
> Hampshire Turnpike.

I USE them quite often and if you're willint to part with them for a
discount....

Otherwise, run them through a rolling machine. Should make an
interesting piece.

Bob Fritsch
mailto:rfritsch@concentric.net

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From: Alan Kita <alkita@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) (slightly off-topic) Highway Tokens?
Date: 17 Oct 1997 09:46:44 -0800

This thread had only interested me in that I had realized (besides Las
Vegas-type Casino dollar "tokens" - I assume that one collects these
too) that some places produce tokens with some markings. Many are
blanks, tho'. I have a 6 year old which necessitates buying a few of
these tokens when we visit an arcade, i.e., Chuck E. Cheese, and I
always end up with at least one in a pocket or wallet when I get home
and never remembering to take it with me the next time I visit the same
said place.

In Los Angeles the Metro Metro Transportation Authority sells tokens
with the big M on it for use on the buses and rail systems.

Alan

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Dixon, Jeff wrote:
>
> >
> > Does anybody collect highway tokens? We have a bunch from the New
> > Hampshire Turnpike.
>
> If you can't trade/sell 'em here on the list I recommend you take
> 'em to the next coin show you attend. You may be able to trade 'em for
> elongates with one of the dealers there.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

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From: Melinda Couden <mcouden@netusa1.net>
Subject: RE: (elongates) (slightly off-topic) Highway Tokens?
Date: 17 Oct 1997 15:41:30 -0400

Don't laugh...but could someone please explain what highway tokens are?

Melinda

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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Another way to cut down on traffic...
Date: 17 Oct 1997 15:12:35 -0700

Not to sound like a nag...

If you have a specific question regarding someone's e-mail, please send
them e-mail privately.

Just trying to help keep members. *smile*

- Jeff

P.S. I've replied to Melinda's mail privately.

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From: Alan Kita <alkita@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) (slightly off-topic) Highway Tokens?
Date: 17 Oct 1997 15:12:07 -0800

in Southern California there are no toll roads except those that use
electronic devices, otherwise what are called highways in other states
are freeways in California, but i think highway tokens are actually toll
road tokens. I would hope that you would get some sort of discount when
you buy tokens as opposed to paying real coins when you purchase them.

In Los Angeles, the Metro tokens work like this.. You buy them by the
bag which amounts to $0.90 per token and the normal cash fare is $1.25
for buses and around $3.00 for the rail system (light and subway).

For example...So if the toll is 35=A2 and instead of throwing into the
machine two coins you just insert one token.

In California they are starting to use "smart tokens." Electronic
devices that send out a little message indicating you the payee and this
is deducted from your prepaid account. I suppose if all the tollroads
in the U.S. went to this system, then eventually tollroad tokens would
become more valuable???

And if you are like me..buy them and not use them, the agency make a
little money.

Melinda Couden wrote:
>=20
> Don't laugh...but could someone please explain what highway tokens are?
>=20
> Melinda

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Another way to cut down on traffic...
Date: 17 Oct 1997 15:30:56 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Dixon, Jeff wrote:

> If you have a specific question regarding someone's e-mail, please send
> them e-mail privately.
>
> Just trying to help keep members. *smile*
>
> P.S. I've replied to Melinda's mail privately.

See, now this is where things start getting tricky. Personally,
I'd much prefer a list lose members because of too much traffic instead
of not enough.

Let's use the recent "highway tokens" thread as an example.

Jeff's original post was, indeed, off-topic. I still think it
has a place here for several reasons: 1) Jeff is a regular poster of EC
info so he gets a little more leeway then someone who just makes
off-topic posts, 2) Many EC collectors also collect other exonumia so
there is a fair chance that someone else on the list would be interested,
3) should number 2 be accurate this could well lead to an EC/token
trade. 4) It was short, to the point, and labeled OT in the subject.

Now I'm going to memory on what replies it generated so forgive
me if I miss or mis-represent any.

Bob Frtisch replied that he may be interested in purchasing them.
This is something that only Bob and Jeff would really care about, so
should have been handled off list.

Melinda asked for clarification of what a highway token is. This
is on-topic for reasons 2, 3 and 4 that the original message was
on-topic. By asking the entire list Melinda is more likely to get better
quantity/quality information by asking multiple people rather then asking
one person. Besides, there could well be others asking the same but
afraid/unwilling to post it. Which leads to...

Alan's description/explanation of highway tokens. This, also,
was relevant to the list as others could well be interested in the answer
and by always answering general questions posted to the list on the the
list we avoid "Can someone explain this to me as well" posts.

I'm not sure if I posted a reply to any of these messages as I
did think about doing so, but can't recall what I wrote, so don't believe
I did. I say this here so as not to give the impression that I'm
"glossing over" my own posts.

This has gotten a lot longer than I intended (like I've ever
written a SHORT post ;), but I think it's important to make this clear.

When replying/posting to the list you want to ask yourself one
simple question. Is there ANY chance more then one person on the list
cares to read the message? If the answer is yes, post it to the list.
The last thing I want to do is discourage people from posting anything here.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knott's Berry Farm
Date: 17 Oct 1997 18:31:23 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, BLMC wrote:
>
> > Chris Aahz wrote:
> > >
> > > The plus side of using Lynx is that pages load REALLY fast, and I
> > > still get the text which is (to moe) the most important part of 99% of the
> > > pages I visit.
> > >
> >
> > Hey, who's Moe?
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
> You don't know Moe? I thought EVRYBODY knew Moe! Well, let's
> just say he'll introduce himself when he's ready.
>
> ;)
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

Will Larry and Curly show up too?

Ben

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Amusement tokens - was: (Re: (elongates) Highway Tokens)
Date: 17 Oct 1997 15:49:44 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Alan Kita wrote:

> blanks, tho'. I have a 6 year old which necessitates buying a few of
> these tokens when we visit an arcade, i.e., Chuck E. Cheese, and I
> always end up with at least one in a pocket or wallet when I get home
> and never remembering to take it with me the next time I visit the same
> said place.

This is how I began collecting amusement tokens! I now have a
couple hundred. Amusement tokens are probably the only area of exonumia
that's cheaper to collect then elongates.

And to bring things slightly onto topic...

If anyone finds any amusement tokens in their pockets set 'em
aside in your trade stock and I'll accept 'em as one PEU in trade value
for elongates (assuming they're ones I don't have of course).

Peace,

Aahz

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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) (slightly off-topic) Highway Tokens?
Date: 17 Oct 1997 18:39:28 -0400

Melinda Couden wrote:
>
> Don't laugh...but could someone please explain what highway tokens are?
>
> Melinda

Highway tokens are used to pay turnpike tolls in lieu of currency.

Ben

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: RE: (elongates) (slightly off-topic) Highway Tokens?
Date: 17 Oct 1997 15:54:59 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Melinda Couden wrote:

> Don't laugh...but could someone please explain what highway tokens are?

Well, Alan, did a fine job of answering the question directly, so
I won't go into that again, but I wanted to point out for general
consumption that transportation tokens (of which highway tokens are a
part) is one of the largest areas of exonumia collection (exonumia is
essentially non-legal tender).

The Token and Medal Society (TAMS) and the American Vecturist
Society (AVS) are the two main organisations for transportation token
collectors. For contact info check out the ANA web site at
http://www.money.org.

Peace,

Aahz

ps. In regards to my earlier post on 'topic'. I feel that both this and
my previous message are on-topic because they could well be of interest
to nukmerous people on the list.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) DIS-DL Catalog update
Date: 17 Oct 1997 16:38:42 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 RobertHoff@aol.com wrote:

> I just compared two Country Bear Playhouse ec's They are different. The
> older of the two (?) is "flatter" has the first dot in the boarder just to
> the right of "Disneyland" witch makes up part of the bottom boarder. The
> newer (?) issue which was pressed on 9/5/95, has a small circle "r" in place
> of that first dot. The wording is much clearer and thinner with the look of
> a slight "3D".

So, thanks to Bob's sharp eye we now have another variant listing
in the DIS-DL Catalog. The relevant changes/additions are as follows:

DIS-DL-6 Country Bear Playhouse
h. FL Bear w/ bass, "Country/Bear/Playhouse/Disneyland"
Installed: ??/?? Removed: ??/95
Notes: Lettering 'flat'

DIS-DL-6a Country Bear Playhouse
h. FL Bear w/ bass, "Country/Bear/Playhouse/Disneyland"
Installed: ??/95 Removed: 10/96
Notes: Lettering '3D', circled 'r' replaces first border dot after
"Disneyland"

In other catalogging news, I wasn't able to view the images Carl
sent of the two variants he found (compatability probs), so they're still
in limbo.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: MarxenSEM@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Location Updates
Date: 17 Oct 1997 21:55:45 -0400 (EDT)

The following places in Ohio have penny machines. Greater detail to follow
later. If you are possibly interested in any, let me know.

Cedar Point Amusement Park in Sandusky (nine designs; now closed for season)
Great Lakes Science Center in Cleveland (three designs)
Inventure Place/National Inventors Hall of Fame in Akron (four designs)
Parmatown Mall (four designs; yes, it's in the Parma that Drew Carey sings
about)
Toledo Zoo (confirmed machine, will probably go this weekend)
Columbus Zoo (confirmed machine, may have to send siblings there later to
collect)
Akron Zoo (confirmed machine, but they're closed for the winter)

The following places DO NOT have penny machines: Rock And Roll Hall of Fame +
Museum in Cleveland; Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton. Go figure!

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Mini-meet report
Date: 18 Oct 1997 02:05:35 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Well, the Northern California list members had a "mini-meet"
tonight. Mickey was kind enough to offer his home, so we met there for
pizza, trade and talk. Who was there? Mickey and family, Jeff and wife,
and myself.

I got there a little early and Mickey, his wife (who's name I've
already forgotten. Many apologies, but I'm horrible with names)
discussed eBay and online auctions until Jeff and Deidre arrived. Once
they got there (and we got the dog to stop howling ;) it took all of five
seconds to have the binders laid out.

We talked and traded (and ate a little pizza) for the next FOUR
and a HALF HOURS! Woo Hoo!! Needless to say, both wives present were
pretty ready for things to wind up, but I was having a blast (and I think
Mickey and Jeff were both going fairly strong at the end as well.

Mickey has framed his complete Disney set of elongates and they
look wonderful. Perhaps he can be persuaded to describe it for the list
(nudge, nudge).

Speaking of Disney coins, between the three of us we had four
copies of DIS-WDW-13. Amazingly enough, all four were different, so I
have identified four of the six variants. Unfortunately none of us knows
which machine our coins came from, but perhaps we will be able to figure
that out in the future.

Trading went well. Roughly a hundred coins changed hands tonight
between the three of us. Both Jeff and Mickey managed to pull out almost
the same number of coins from my trade stock as I pulled from theirs so
that made my trades flow pretty smoothly. I managed to aquire a few more
donations to the auction as well :)

Discussion was pretty much all over the elongated map. We spent
a fair amount of time on Jeff and Deidre's penny hunting road trip out
here from Boston, penny collecting stories, Disney coins (from both
coasts), what direction the internet EC community should/will take and
how to move things along, the list itself and the people hereon (sorry,
no really juicy gossip), TEC and my disputes with the organization and
some of the people there-in (all of which has been mentioned here
before), which coins to roll on, machine companies, the possibilty of
changes to US coins and the effect on elongates, painting elongates
(which both Deidre and I have been doing), and general "small talk"
topics (including some detailed wather stuff beleive it or not).

What came of all this talk? Well I think we all had a really
good time and learned more about each other as well as ECs, but I don't
recall solving any of the world's problems. Not really any specifics to
be shared that I can think of, though the others might want to throw in
something.

Overall it was a blast. Still haven't met a list member that
didn't seem like a genuinely nice person. I highly recommend jumping on
any opportunity you have to get together with other collectors like this
and I'm even more excited now about the "holiday" list-meet at Disneyland.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Sealing 2x2s
Date: 18 Oct 1997 13:55:24 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Well, I remembered a topic from the meet last night that should
make for an interesting and informative discussion:

Jeff has started placing his elongates in 2x2s and is using
rubber cement to seal them rather then staples. I have heard of people
using double sided tape as well. Both of these methods leave the 2x2
looking sharper then having staples thru it. Personally, I use staples
simply because it's fast, easy and cheap.

How do you seal your 2x2s and can you think of any benefits or
drawbacks of using one system over another?

Peace,

Aahz

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Sealing 2x2s
Date: 18 Oct 1997 19:12:22 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-18 16:58:42 EDT, you write:

> How do you seal your 2x2s and can you think of any benefits or
> drawbacks of using one system over another?
>

Rubber such as rubber bands etc. will turn many coins black. Don't know
about
rubber cement. Are you sure he wasn't using silicone seal? I've seen that
used.
there is also a company that sells 2x2 that are pre-glued. I don't think
they make
an elongate 2X2.

Just my flat cents worth,
-Bob Hoff

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Sealing 2x2s
Date: 18 Oct 1997 16:33:59 -0700 (PDT)

On Sat, 18 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> Rubber such as rubber bands etc. will turn many coins black. Don't know
> about rubber cement. Are you sure he wasn't using silicone seal? I've
> seen that used.

No, he said rubber cement. He asked if I foresaw any problems
and I basically said I don't see how as long as it doesn't come into
contact with the coins (and in that case I wsan't sure).

What's silicone seal? Cost? Where to get it?

> there is also a company that sells 2x2 that are pre-glued. I don't think
> they make an elongate 2X2.

I've seen the ads for these, but don't they run like a quarter
apiece instead of the couple cents a piece that the regular 2x2s cost? I
also don't know if they have elongate 2x2s, but I highly doubt it at the
moment. If there's enough interest we could probably get them to though.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Sealing 2x2s
Date: 18 Oct 1997 20:07:49 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-18 19:37:28 EDT, you write:

>
> On Sat, 18 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Rubber such as rubber bands etc. will turn many coins black. Don't know
> > about rubber cement. Are you sure he wasn't using silicone seal? I've
> > seen that used.
>
> No, he said rubber cement. He asked if I foresaw any problems
> and I basically said I don't see how as long as it doesn't come into
> contact with the coins (and in that case I wsan't sure).
>
> What's silicone seal? Cost? Where to get it?

It's often used to glue and seal glass seams in aquariums. It comes in
colors,
most would use clear. Costs about $2-3.00 for a toothpaste tube size.
>
> > there is also a company that sells 2x2 that are pre-glued. I don't
think
> > they make an elongate 2X2.
>
> I've seen the ads for these, but don't they run like a quarter
> apiece instead of the couple cents a piece that the regular 2x2s cost? I
> also don't know if they have elongate 2x2s, but I highly doubt it at the
> moment. If there's enough interest we could probably get them to though.

Not many Numismatists use them.

-Bob

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 18 Oct 1997 19:38:16 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

I just learned that the Six Flags Over Texas theme park is going
to be taken over by Premier Parks next year. One of the things they're
going to do is remove the Warner Bros. cartoon characters from the park.
I know there are numerous penny machines in SFOT. Can someone in Texas
make it a priority to get to SFOT before the end of the year? Obviously
I'm interested in one of these sets as are many others on the list. And
soon they'll be gone 'forever'.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 18 Oct 1997 20:09:55 -0700 (PDT)

Here's some more (possibly relevant) info on SFOT, including
hours, prices, and directions --

> October 18-19 Open 10:00AM
> October 24 Open 6:00PM
> October 25-26 Open 10:00AM
> October 31 Open 6:00PM
> November 1-2 Open 10:00AM
> November 28-30 Open 2:00PM - 10:00PM
> December 5 Open 5:00PM - 11:00PM
> December 6-7 Open 2:00PM - 10:00PM
> December 12 Open 5:00PM - 11:00PM
> December 13-14 Open 2:00PM - 10:00PM
> December 19 Open 5:00PM - 11:00PM
> December 20-23 Open 2:00PM - 10:00PM
> December 26-28 Open 2:00PM - 10:00PM
>
> Note: Dates and times are subject to change. For current information and
> closing times call 817/640-8900 ext. 2222
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
> Admission Price
>
> Tickets for adults are $31.97. Children under 48 inches tall are
> admitted at a discounted price of $25.99, as are senior citizens age
> 55 and over. Children age two and under are admitted free. All prices
> are plus tax. Six Flags honors V, MC, and DSC. Season Passes are
> $74.95 plus tax.
> _________________________________________________________________
>
> Location
>
> Six Flags Over Texas is located between Dallas and Fort Worth at the
> intersection of I-30 and SH-360 in the City of Arlington. Watch for
> the Six Flags Drive exit.
> _________________________________________________________________
>
> Texas Metroplex
>
> Six Flags Over Texas participates in the discount program called the
> Texas Metroplex. By calling 1-800-METROPLex (disregard the "ex" when
> dialing) you will be sent discount coupons for single day and two day
> admission.
>

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 18 Oct 1997 23:09:58 -0700

On 10/18/97 8:09 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>> Admission Price
>>
>> Tickets for adults are $31.97. Children under 48 inches tall are
>> admitted at a discounted price of $25.99, as are senior citizens age
>> 55 and over. Children age two and under are admitted free. All prices
>> are plus tax. Six Flags honors V, MC, and DSC. Season Passes are
>> $74.95 plus tax.

Hi Everyone,

I'd be willing to chip in $5.00 (or some fair $hare) towards admission
for someone to go in and get as many sets as we all would like to
request. And I can send money plus uncirc 1960s pennies for my set.

What do you all think about sharing the cost of admission for someone?

Bert

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From: MFrisch328@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 09:12:03 -0400 (EDT)

>>In a message dated 97-10-19 02:11:33 EDT:
<<

I'd be willing to chip in $5.00 (or some fair $hare) towards admission
for someone to go in and get as many sets as we all would like to
request. And I can send money plus uncirc 1960s pennies for my set.

What do you all think about sharing the cost of admission for someone?

Bert

>>
Sounds like a good idea, Bert. You can count me in on paying a share of
the admission cost for someone to go and get the sets. Your idea of
sending pre-82 pennies along with the money for the machines is also a good
one because then someone doesn't have to try and come up with all of the
pre-82 coins.

What does everyone think of adding in "a little extra" as a thank-you for
someone doing this? I don't know cuz I am new to this, but do all people do
this just for the fun or when you do lots of sets for everyone does it become
too time comsuming to be fun anymore?????

Good Luck -- Davelle

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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) TX Penny alert
Date: 19 Oct 1997 11:19:22 -0400 (EDT)

I like the idea that some of you have proposed -- -making a contribution
toward admission--and providing some pennies -- -I can provide pre82pennies.
Thank you Al (let's keep in touch)

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 11:23:54 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-19 02:11:33 EDT, you write:

> Hi Everyone,
>
>
> I'd be willing to chip in $5.00 (or some fair $hare) towards admission
> for someone to go in and get as many sets as we all would like to
> request. And I can send money plus uncirc 1960s pennies for my set.
>
> What do you all think about sharing the cost of admission for someone?
>
> Bert
>
>
>
Please count me in!

-Bob Hoff

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: (elongates) location/info
Date: 19 Oct 1997 07:40:56 -0000

Hello All,
I'm not sure if this is on the location keeper list or not (I havent had
much time to check lately) but i was a Toms Farms in Corona (CA) yesterday
and no sooner did I say this place needs a penny machine when I turned to
my left and there was a machine. It has one design -a farmer holding a
pitchfork and says "Tom's Farms/Since 1971/Farmers Market".
Also my sister (who lives in Salt Lake City) heard that at the Childrens
Museum there is this device that remembles that of a hamsters wheel. This
one a person actually walks around in the giant wheel and this smashes the
penny. She went to the Museum and said it was not working, there is a
plexi-glass box to the right of the wheel which houses all the gears and as
you walk your suppose to be able to see the gears move. When she was in
another part of the Museum she found a smashed penny (weird huh!) It says
"University of Utah/Engineering Dept" so that must have been what the
wheel-device smashes out when working.
Gina
Also I have extra Tom's Farms if anyone is interested.

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 07:44:20 -0000

> >
> > What do you all think about sharing the cost of admission for someone?
> >
> > Bert

Count me in too. Does anybody have any idea how many might be in this set.
Just wondering what costs are going to be involved.
Gina

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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Elongates for Trade -(anyone interested)?
Date: 19 Oct 1997 12:15:26 -0400 (EDT)

Elongates for trade -- -If you are interested --contact me (let me know what
you would like to trade--maybe a trade can be arranged)

Games of peace --Los Angeles 1984--Eagle on the center of the elongate
Golden Days Drags--July 22,1984-- Corvette in center of elongate
Infantry training center--Ft. Benning,Ga.--Crossed rifles in the certer of
the elongate
Skydive--Deland-- -airplane in the center of the elongate
Proud to be American--Eagle head in center of elongate
Keep it flying--American flag covers aprox. 1/2 of the elongate
Proud to be Irish American--outline of the United States with clover leaf in
the center
Proud to be Polish American
You are very special to me --heart in center of elongate-hearts around margin
of elongate

Thank you Al (If these interest you contact me)

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From: CWFIII@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 12:31:31 -0400 (EDT)

I'd like to get in on this as well, $ and pennies does sound like it would be
a better deal for whoever ends up going. Also, I'm all for kicking in a bit
for whoever goes, I mean, one or two sets for someone is one thing, but when
it gets to be over ten, fair is fair. I'm just picturing someone walking
through the place with a backback full of change, I mean that stuff is HEAVY.
You should see me walking through Disneyland carrying my wife's purse with
$150 in change in it, it's not a pretty sight. So I guess I'm all sympathy
here......

Carl

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) location/info
Date: 19 Oct 1997 12:23:33 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, zinful wrote:

> Also my sister (who lives in Salt Lake City) heard that at the Childrens
> Museum there is this device that remembles that of a hamsters wheel. This
> one a person actually walks around in the giant wheel and this smashes the
> penny. She went to the Museum and said it was not working, there is a
> plexi-glass box to the right of the wheel which houses all the gears and as
> you walk your suppose to be able to see the gears move. When she was in
> another part of the Museum she found a smashed penny (weird huh!) It says
> "University of Utah/Engineering Dept" so that must have been what the
> wheel-device smashes out when working.

Well, Utah just moved WAY up on my list of places to visit! This
machine sounds awesome! You think your sister could get a picture of the
machine next time she visits?

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 13:28:18 -0700 (PDT)

Wow! I was just hoping to find a volunteer to go for me. I
didn't expect this kind of reaction. I am glad to see it though! I'm
going to try to consolidate my replies to the various messages into this one.

Bert proposed that anybody interested send $5 towards admission
cost and copper pennies for rolling. Well, if the person goes fills all
the requests made so far their largest expense is not going to be park
admission, but the 50c a pop elongating fees. I am assuming that Bert
intended to offer the $5 and pennies and still trade on a one-for-one
basis for the coins themselves.

Which brings me to Davelle's suggestion of "adding in 'a little
extra' as a thank-you for someone doing this?" Another great suggestion
as this will likely be a primarily collecting focused trip. As I write
this there have been 8 sets requested. Whoever makes this journey will
certainly spend the majority of their time finding and rolling coins.
Not to mention the time at home afterwards to seperate package and mail
all the sets out. This comes from my recent experiences rolling multiple
sets at Disneyland and Knott's Berry Farm.

Gina asked if anyone knows how many coins are in the set. Does
anyone have any idea? As far as I know we haven't had any reports of
specific locations or a count of machines. Judging by Six Flags Magic
Mountain I would assume that the majority (if not all) of the machines
will be located inside shops. The SFoT web site lists 11 shops. So, I'd
say there are probably between 15 and 30 coins available. DOn't ask how
I did the math, it's merely an educated guess.

All things considered this is what I propose. Should someone
step forward willing to collect all of the sets requested (and I'm sure
there will be at least two more requests in the near future) I think each
persoan requesting a set should offer $5 per set in addition to trading
as usual for the coins themselves. I am perfectly willing to do this
myself although I'll be offline for sometime so may not be around to make
the offer.

As far as sending along your own coins to roll I have a couple
comments.
1) When someone is rolling multiple sets it can be extremely
difficult to sperate out one persons coins from another. In other words,
if someone is going to roll all of these, please have everyone send them
interchangeable pennies (not wheaties for one, steelies for another, and
painted stock for a third). If you want to send pennies just send
coppers. Wether they're wheaties or memorials don't expect the EXACT
same coin back.
2) How many are you going to send the person? No one has any
real idea how many coins are in the set. If our volunteer sends out a
call for coins because they don't think they have enough coppers, then
I'd recommend each person requesting a set mail off a roll and consider
it a further bonus to our hardy volunteer. Again, I am more then willing
to do the same should I be around when the request is made.
3) It takes time for mail to get places. I, for one, would hate
to see our volunteer postponing their trip in order to wait for the last
person's coins to arrive. Time is limited and as we're entering the
holiday season our volunteer will surely be busy as well. The longer
they wait the more difficult it will be.

Well, (as usual) this is far longer then I expected. I would
like to make a short list of those who have already expressed an interest
in the set and a willingness to kick in some cash on top of the coins
themselves:

Myself (aahz@svpal.org)
Bert (creightoniii@home.com
Davelle (MFrisch328@aol.com)
Al (AlinCal2@aol.com)
Bob Hoff (ROBERTHOFF@aol.com)
Gina (zinful@prodigy.net
Carl (CWFIII@aol.com)

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) Texas pennies
Date: 19 Oct 1997 15:37:53 -0500

Count me in for a set as well. Will gladly chip in some admission
money, quarters, and pre 82 pennies.

Flats

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 15:40:16 -0500

Flats (jameshenry@sprintmail.com)
>
> Myself (aahz@svpal.org)
> Bert (creightoniii@home.com
> Davelle (MFrisch328@aol.com)
> Al (AlinCal2@aol.com)
> Bob Hoff (ROBERTHOFF@aol.com)
> Gina (zinful@prodigy.net
> Carl (CWFIII@aol.com)

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 15:41:38 -0500

> You should see me walking through Disneyland carrying my wife's purse
>
> Carl

I sight I would love to see. Pictures??

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From: HWH <tclh@hilconet.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 15:46:16 -0500

Chris Aahz wrote:

> Well, (as usual) this is far longer then I expected. I would
> like to make a short list of those who have already expressed an interest
> in the set and a willingness to kick in some cash on top of the coins
> themselves:
>
> Myself (aahz@svpal.org)
> Bert (creightoniii@home.com
> Davelle (MFrisch328@aol.com)
> Al (AlinCal2@aol.com)
> Bob Hoff (ROBERTHOFF@aol.com)
> Gina (zinful@prodigy.net
> Carl (CWFIII@aol.com)

Please add us to the list as well. I like your idea of sending a roll of
coppers and at least $5 to help with the cost of admission. As new collectors we
have very little "trading stock", but would be more than willing to send money to
cover rolling machine expenses.

Thanks,
Trey

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 17:22:42 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-19 12:33:09 EDT, you write:

> You should see me walking through Disneyland carrying my wife's purse with
> $150 in change in it, it's not a pretty sight.
>

Oh! Was that you, Carl? :-)

-Bob

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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 14:38:34 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:

> Myself (aahz@svpal.org)
> Bert (creightoniii@home.com
> Davelle (MFrisch328@aol.com)
> Al (AlinCal2@aol.com)
> Bob Hoff (ROBERTHOFF@aol.com)
> Gina (zinful@prodigy.net
> Carl (CWFIII@aol.com)

Hi,

Sorry I'm so late replying to this, but I just got back from the Zoo
(where I was filling orders). Please add me to the list!!!

Nancy

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: SFoT Set list [was Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!]
Date: 19 Oct 1997 16:19:23 -0700 (PDT)

I just KNEW there'd be more on this list. Still under 24 hours
since I made mention of the set and (I believe) less then 12 since Bert
suggested his 'incentive program and it now looks like (in order of request):

Myself (aahz@svpal.org)
Bert (creightoniii@home.com
Davelle (MFrisch328@aol.com)
Al (AlinCal2@aol.com)
Bob Hoff (ROBERTHOFF@aol.com)
Gina (zinful@prodigy.net
Carl (CWFIII@aol.com)
Flats (jameshenry@sprintmail.com)
Trey (tclh@hilconet.com)
Mickey (ENTROPYM@aol.com)
Nancy (nwooten@lightspeed.net)

So counting the volunteer's own set we're talking 12 sets!

Several people have also said they'd prefer cash to trade on this
transaction and I'm sure many others are more then willing to go that
route. (No need to respond one way or the other on-list you can work that
out with the volunteer when/if they materialize).

This is one heck of a job! Although the $55 bonus doesn't look
too shabby either. (well, subtract out $31.95 for the ticket as there's
going to be very little park time left) and a $23.05 bonus still isn't
too shabby.

Bear in mind folks we still don't have a volunteer. And,
frankly, I wouldn't blame one for not coming forward at this point even
with the financial and goodwill bonus. Perhaps we need a couple
volunteers.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: SFoT Set list [was Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!]
Date: 19 Oct 1997 20:37:50 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 10/19/97 4:22:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> Bear in mind folks we still don't have a volunteer. And,
> frankly, I wouldn't blame one for not coming forward at this point even
> with the financial and goodwill bonus. Perhaps we need a couple
> volunteers.
>
OK, someone has to do it.
Everyone throw in an extra $20 and I'll fly there and collect them for you.
Do it for the hobby, for the sake of the community, do it.. for the children!

Mickey
TEC 2115

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From: rfritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 21:32:53 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> I just learned that the Six Flags Over Texas theme park is going
> to be taken over by Premier Parks next year.

Is this just the park in Texas or does it apply to ALL Six Flags parks
(Magic Mountain, Georgia, etc)? If so, the problem is much larger than
it now appears. What will happen to all the dies in the other parks?

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
mailto:rfritsch@concentric.net

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 18:58:29 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, rfritsch wrote:

> Is this just the park in Texas or does it apply to ALL Six Flags parks
> (Magic Mountain, Georgia, etc)? If so, the problem is much larger than
> it now appears. What will happen to all the dies in the other parks?

Short answer: Just SFoT

Long answer: Okay, here's the deal as I understand it. Six Flags
Theme Parks (SFTP) OPERATES the parks known as Six Flags which are all
actually OWNED by different companies, in this case Six Flags Texas
(SFT). SFTP's contract with SFT to operate SFoT (aren't acronyms fun? ;)
expires 12/31/97. Negotiations for a new contract were unsuccessful and
Premeire Parks (PP) going to be taking over the park (on a 30 year
contract) as of 1/1/98 or possibly 1/31/98 (but SFoT is closed in January
anyway). One of the sticking points in contract negotiations was that
the owners of SFT originally opened the park as a historical Texas
themepark (similar to KBF in California) and were not happy with Warner
Bros. coming in with all of thier licensed product.

From the chatter on rec.roller.coasters (r.r.c.) SFTP has had
some pretty tough negotiations lately and has more coming up, although
they just signed Six Flags Over Georgia (SFoG) to a new contract last
year so we're safe on that one.

SFoT is the only major park change I'm aware of for this year,
although Premier also 'recently' purchased Kentucky Kingdom I don't know
of any major changes there and am not sure how 'recent' that purchase was.
Now that I think of it, I just saw today that Six Flags Astroworld has
been renamed Six Flags Houston. Not sure when this happened or if the
name change has actually gone into effect at the park yet. If so, this
would be another project for our TX volunteer should one materialize.
(Please don't start posting 'I want and Astroworld set' to the list
unless/until this name change gets confirmed and we get a volunteer to
hit the park.)

BTW, SFT owns the rights to the name 'Six Flags Over Texas' until
the year 2009, so the name probably won't be changing very soon, although
PP does have a track record of changing park names.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: "Kilcoyne" <jkilcoyne@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Re: (elongates) "#034?
Date: 19 Oct 1997 20:15:50

a "mule" when spoken of in elongates denotes a coin with an engraving
on both sides. They may or may not be unrelated images. Alot of the
older issues would have an event such as a worlds fair on the obverse and
an advertisement for say" armor meats" on the reverse .
hope this helps

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) OT: Aahz' life notes
Date: 19 Oct 1997 19:15:28 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

This message doesn't deal at all with ECs and only somewhat with
the list, but I consider you all friends so want to let you know what's
up. My final "desperate plan" to aquire funds in order to make the move
South has fallen thru. <sigh> As of tomorrow, I'm officially evicted
from my current apartment and I don't expect the landlord to cut me any
more slack so he'll probably arrive with the sherriff in the morning.
I'll be jumping online occaisonally this evening to 'finish up' a few
things and possibly tomorrow morning as well.

I'm going to be moving into The Beast (my car) with what little
stuff I can carry there leaving room for pennies, penny paperwork, the
'puter and sleeping room. This means I've got to leave behind not only
my furniture, etc., but also my rather substantial vampire collection. A
painful loss indeed, but there aren't any other options left. At least
the penny collection only takes up a small amount of floorboard space. :)

Anywayz, this isn't supposed to be a 'poor Aahz' letter. I just
don't know how long I'm going to be off-line or where/when I will be
surfacing again. Bert's promised to keep an eye on the list, but don't
ask too much of him as it's not really his gig. If it looks like I'm
going to be 'gone' for a while then I'll get the Auction donations to
one of the more active list members and y'all can decide wether to keep
the list up as is or whatever and what to do about the auction. If there
is to be no auction then the donations will be returned to the donators.

Even if I can't get back here for quite some time I sincerely
hope that the list continues in some form. A lot of people have spent a
good deal of time developing the community here and I'd hate to know it
vanished just because I made some really bad life choices.

If this is destined to be goodbye, then I want you allto know
that it's been great getting to know you all. I'll still be arounf the
EC community one way or another and I'll be at the ANA convention in
Portland next year.

If anyone needs to get hold of me for some reason my voicemailbox
at my old job is still active for now. 1-800-562-4301x5190. Just dial
the extension when the VM machine answers and if a person answers DON'T
ask o be transferred to my voice mail as I don't want to remind them it's
still active :)

Hoping to return soon,

Aahz

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From: Trey <tclh@hilconet.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) OT: Aahz' life notes
Date: 19 Oct 1997 21:41:16 -0500

Hello Chris,
I have been very busy and skipped over a lot of messages, so this is the
first I have heard of your troubles. I am a long ways away, and not quite
sure what I can do to help. Maybe others as well as myself can combine our
efforts. Please let us know what you need, and what we can do.
Trey

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) OT: Aahz' life notes
Date: 19 Oct 1997 20:01:07 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Trey wrote:

> I have been very busy and skipped over a lot of messages, so this is the
> first I have heard of your troubles.

I've tried to avoid discussing it on-list as it's pretty darn off
topic not to mention somewhat embarrasing.

> I am a long ways away, and not quite
> sure what I can do to help. Maybe others as well as myself can combine our
> efforts. Please let us know what you need, and what we can do.

I REALLY appreciate the thought, Trey, but I've allowed myself to
get in an extremely tight corner. The only things that could help now
involve quite a bit more funding then I could ever ask people on the list
for.

I'm like a cat, I always land on my feet. I just don't know how
long this fall is going to last. The most important thing to me at the
moment is that y'all keep the community centered around this list alive.
And I know that will be done.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: jimabbot@juno.com (Jim Thorpe)
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!]
Date: 20 Oct 1997 00:04:52 EDT

Hello All,

Please count me in for a set of Six Flags Over Texas coins.


Thanks Jim

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From: Trey <tclh@hilconet.com>
Subject: (elongates) Very Important !!!!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 23:21:42 -0500

Greetings All,

In the interest of time, I will cut to the chase.

Chris needs immediate financial assistance. I can come up with $100 to start
us off. I realize that not everyone else may be able to kick in that much, but
please let's all do what we can. Any amount will help!

I knew almost nothing about elongates when Chris asked me to join the list. I
have been entertained & educated for many months now, and never once been asked
asked to fund anything related to E.C.'s or the list. It would appear to me
that it is time for a little payback(at least on my part), and I for one would
be proud to get the ball rolling.

This is solely my idea. Chris has not asked for assistance - but needs our
help.

It is getting late here and I have to work in the morning. Let's see what we
can get going on extremely short notice. If nothing else we can get funds to
him by wire. Again, Please give what you can. I will do my best to help
coordinate.

Thank you all for your time and help,
Trey

P.S. Please use the list to communicate on this subject.

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From: Trey <tclh@hilconet.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Very Important !!!!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 23:27:01 -0500

Hi Chris,
Do you have a Western Union location or something like that near by? I will wire
funds on the way to work in the morning.
Trey

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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Very Important !!!!
Date: 20 Oct 1997 00:48:48 -0400 (EDT)

Ditto here.

Since I' live nearby and I'm a little cash shy right now, I offered privately
to store some of Chris' belongings. He replied with a thanks and wait and
see. A guy just can't give up his vampire collection can he? I just hope that
his "furniture" doesn't consist of a coffin and a pile of dirt.

Mickey
TEC 2115

In a message dated 10/19/97 9:24:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> Greetings All,
>
> In the interest of time, I will cut to the chase.
>
> Chris needs immediate financial assistance. I can come up with $100 to
> start
> us off. I realize that not everyone else may be able to kick in that
much,
> but
> please let's all do what we can. Any amount will help!
>
> I knew almost nothing about elongates when Chris asked me to join the
list.
> I
> have been entertained & educated for many months now, and never once been
> asked
> asked to fund anything related to E.C.'s or the list. It would appear to
me
> that it is time for a little payback(at least on my part), and I for one
> would
> be proud to get the ball rolling.
>
> This is solely my idea. Chris has not asked for assistance - but needs
our
> help.
>
> It is getting late here and I have to work in the morning. Let's see what

> we
> can get going on extremely short notice. If nothing else we can get funds

> to
> him by wire. Again, Please give what you can. I will do my best to help
> coordinate.
>
> Thank you all for your time and help,
> Trey
>
> P.S. Please use the list to communicate on this subject.
>

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From: Matthew Birchard <psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Very Important !!!!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 22:25:05 -0700 (PDT)

Chris,
Hey man, I read your Life Notes, and it got me to thinking. You
need funding? I've got a $100.00 to kick into the Help out Chris fund.
I could wire it out tomorrow. I'll stay on-line for quite awhile tonight
to see if anyone pops up with details. Direct funds transfer to a bank
account, or something. Let me know.

Matt Birchard
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail: psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu

p.s. you could pay me back whenever, if ever at all. No worries about
that. :-)

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Very Important !!!!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 22:24:50 -0700 (PDT)

I have been genuienly moved by the offers of assistance both
on-list and privately received. I've been saying since this list began
that you couldn't find a nicer group of people. Thank you all very much.

But I certainly couldn't let this little note slip by without comment:

On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 ENTROPYM@aol.com wrote:

<snip>
> I just hope that
> his "furniture" doesn't consist of a coffin and a pile of dirt.

Of course, not, Mickey. I've gotta sleep somewhere while on the
road ;=

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Very Important !!!!
Date: 19 Oct 1997 22:32:11 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:

> Chris,
> Hey man, I read your Life Notes, and it got me to thinking. You
> need funding? I've got a $100.00 to kick into the Help out Chris fund.
> I could wire it out tomorrow. I'll stay on-line for quite awhile tonight
> to see if anyone pops up with details. Direct funds transfer to a bank
> account, or something. Let me know.

Since there seem to be a number of people on this list insisting
on being far more generous then I deserve I will go ahead and post this
info to the list. Assistance is certainly appreciated, but definetly not
expected in any way.

If anyone does want to wire money to me (I have no idea how bank
transfers work, so...) the best Western Union spot here is:

Money Market #1
876 The Alameda
San Jose, CA
(408) 947-0959

I don't know what other info (if any) you would need to get it to
the right place. None of the phone book ads list any kind of Western
Union # or anything. I believe they also accept MoneyGram, though I'm
not positive. And, as most of you know, my name is Chris Aahz.

Thanx again everyone. Just knowing you're thinking about
me is enough to keep me going. Anything else is icing on the cake!

Peace,

Aahz

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From: MFrisch328@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Very Important !!!!
Date: 20 Oct 1997 09:08:08 -0400 (EDT)

Hi there!

I would be happy to help Chris out - I can do a donation of $100.00 but
don't know where to send it to. Please let me know. We don't have a
Western Union close by -- anyone got any other ideas?????? Thanks.
Let's hope he gets back on feet soon!

Davelle

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From: MarxenSEM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!
Date: 20 Oct 1997 09:12:23 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-19 16:31:40 EDT, you write:

<< Myself (aahz@svpal.org)
Bert (creightoniii@home.com
Davelle (MFrisch328@aol.com)
Al (AlinCal2@aol.com)
Bob Hoff (ROBERTHOFF@aol.com)
Gina (zinful@prodigy.net
Carl (CWFIII@aol.com)
>>

Please add Sandy (MarxenSEM@aol.com)

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From: Trey <tclh@hilconet.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Very Important !!!!
Date: 20 Oct 1997 09:06:44 -0500

MFrisch328@aol.com wrote:

> Hi there!
>
> I would be happy to help Chris out - I can do a donation of $100.00 but
> don't know where to send it to. Please let me know. We don't have a
> Western Union close by -- anyone got any other ideas?????? Thanks.
> Let's hope he gets back on feet soon!
>
> Davelle

Hi Davelle,Western Union appears to be the best choice. Just tell them it is
going to Chris Aahz in San Jose, CA. They will take care of the rest. Thanks
for your help.
Trey

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) DLT EC's
Date: 20 Oct 1997 11:41:06 -0400 (EDT)

Hi

The last I heard is:

There are nine of them, Castle, Mickey, Mini, Donald, Daisy, Chip 'n Dale,
Huey+Loiie+Dewey, Hercules "A", and Hercules "B".

On October 24, 1997, the currently missing Minnie and HLD mchine (s) will be
back on stage with Pluto and Goofy dies.

This agrees in great part with what Dave Tomita, Chris Aahz and others have
said. So, it *could* be true, donno.

Happy Collecting,
-Bob Hoff

P.S. If I disapear, could be a bunch of underground smugglers have me! :-)

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From: Alan Kita <alkita@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DLT EC's
Date: 20 Oct 1997 09:55:34 -0800

Sorry for the clutter but I had to reread this line (and got a big
laugh):

On October 24, 1997, the currently missing Minnie and HLD mchine (s)
will be
back on stage with Pluto and Goofy dies.

from the post below....it would have caused quite a discernation amongs
Goofy fans! Yet elation for Minnie fans, except those who hadn't had
heard the news that she was missing in the first place....In this day
and age, even 'Toons have to be careful.

Alan Kita

R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> The last I heard is:
>
> There are nine of them, Castle, Mickey, Mini, Donald, Daisy, Chip 'n Dale,
> Huey+Loiie+Dewey, Hercules "A", and Hercules "B".
>
> On October 24, 1997, the currently missing Minnie and HLD mchine (s) will be
> back on stage with Pluto and Goofy dies.
>
> This agrees in great part with what Dave Tomita, Chris Aahz and others have
> said. So, it *could* be true, donno.
>
> Happy Collecting,
> -Bob Hoff
>
> P.S. If I disapear, could be a bunch of underground smugglers have me! :-)

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) DLT EC's
Date: 20 Oct 1997 13:18:42 -0400 (EDT)

Alan;

%-)

-Bob

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From: Trey <tclh@hilconet.com>
Subject: (elongates) Thank You!
Date: 20 Oct 1997 15:07:58 -0500

Thank you to everyone who has responded to Chris' need thru email and over the
list. If anyone else would like to help him, they can send funds by Western
Union in his name to San Jose, CA.

Thanks again,
Trey

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: SFoT Set list [was Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!]
Date: 20 Oct 1997 13:42:25 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Yep, I'm still here (for the moment). Thought I'd update the
SFoT list again. I know if I were going to do this I'd want it all in
one place and in order of request. We're up to 14 sets now!!! I can
only think of two or three 'regular' posters who haven't asked for this
set yet. And if everyone comes thru with the extra $5 the total's up to
$65 that'll cover admission for two to the park or one admission and gas
money.

Anywayz, here's the list as I have it:

Myself (aahz@svpal.org)
Bert (creightoniii@home.com)
Davelle (MFrisch328@aol.com)
Al (AlinCal2@aol.com)
Bob Hoff (ROBERTHOFF@aol.com)
Gina (zinful@prodigy.net)
Carl (CWFIII@aol.com)
Flats (jameshenry@sprintmail.com)
Trey (tclh@hilconet.com)
Mickey (ENTROPYM@aol.com)
Nancy (nwooten@lightspeed.net)
Jim (jimabbot@juno.com)
Sandy (MarxenSEM@aol.com)

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DLT EC's
Date: 20 Oct 1997 13:45:11 -0700 (PDT)

On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> The last I heard is:

Thanx for the update, Bob! I've forwarded your info to all my
possible Tokyo Benefactors.

Peace,

Aahz
(who is taking a brief respite from packing to mourn for Goofy)

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Thank You!
Date: 20 Oct 1997 13:54:52 -0700 (PDT)

On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Trey wrote:

> Thank you to everyone who has responded to Chris' need thru email and over the
> list. If anyone else would like to help him, they can send funds by Western
> Union in his name to San Jose, CA.

I'd like to thank you all again for your assistance and emotional
support (and for tolerating your mailboxes being flooded with messages
about my personal problems).

Should anyone else decide to wire funds please send me e-mail or
voice mail (or both) letting me know you've done so and your city and
state (Western Union requires I know this as well as your last name
though I think I know most). Again, I do not remotely expect anyone to
do this I just want to make sure no ones money gets 'lost' in the
Western Union files because I can't pick it up should they decide to do so.

You're all great people!! I'm basically on a second-to-second
residency at the moment, so don't know how long I will be able to stay
online, but odds are good that I'll be sitting here typing when the knock
comes to the door :)

Peace,

Aahz

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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: RE: SFoT Set list [was Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!]
Date: 20 Oct 1997 14:04:32 -0700

Hey everybody,

Of course I want a set too! Actually, I've been trying to get us a
contact for the sets.
However, maybe Mickey has the right idea.

On Chris's situation, Deirdre and I would love to help. However, we're
trying to scrape up enough
tickets to go home and visit family. It has us "pretty close to the
wire" right now.

Chris, I hope everything works out!

- Jeff

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) DLT EC's
Date: 20 Oct 1997 17:53:45 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-20 16:49:27 EDT, you write:

> On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
>
> > The last I heard is:
>
> Thanx for the update, Bob! I've forwarded your info to all my
> possible Tokyo Benefactors.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
> (who is taking a brief respite from packing to mourn for Goofy)
>

He will live on in copper. :-)

-Bob

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) A trading note:
Date: 20 Oct 1997 17:53:35 -0400 (EDT)

Hi All'

Just a quick note regarding trading ediquette.

Most of us veterens roll all our cent ec's on copper cents.
But, there are many new collectors / traders here. So,
if you do not use copper, or have zinc trades, PLEASE
so note on your trade list. Many people will "assume"
that all coins are copper unless otherwise stated. Some
people do not collect zinc at all, others collect both. If
copper, you may want to note if it is a "wheatie", "BU",
etc.

Thanks and happy collecting,

-Bob Hoff

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) SFoT Discount Card
Date: 20 Oct 1997 14:53:49 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

It's amazing what you can find when sorting thru paperwork! I
just came across a Six Flags 1997 V.I.P. card. It gives a $10 admission
discount for up to 8 people at Six Flags Magic Mountain and the back says:

"Plus, save at all Six Flags Theme Parks Nationwide! Discounts vary.
Discounts subject to change without notice. For info. call (805) 255-4129."

So, once we find a volunteer to get this set I recommend they
call and find out what this card would be good for at SFoT. I'd be happy
to loan them the card to help cut costs on getting th sets.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: (elongates) SFoT Set
Date: 20 Oct 1997 17:46:56 -0600 (MDT)

Remember, folx, you can't use the word S*bscribe in a message to
the list or it gets bounced. I'm not going to be around to retririeve
these, so if you don't get a message back that you sent to the list, wait
24 hours or so then resend it.

-- --- --- -- Forwarded message -- --- --- --
Message-ID: <971020175456_1466246389@emout17.mail.aol.com>

Some possible ideas for getting a set from SFoT.
Does anyone know of someone in TEC that lives in Texas? It's now that I wish
that we had a directory of TEC members.
What about a nusimatic contact in Texas? Any good coin clubs?
How about newsgroups? Does anyone s*bscribe to a newsgroup for say
amusement park enthusiasts?
I'm sure that there are a lot of people out there that would like to get free
admission to SFoT in exchange for pressing and mailing out a few (quite a
few) sets, we just have to find them.
BTW, in what city is SFoT?

Mickey Morgan
TEC 2115

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Mickey's got some great ideas here!

There are two appropriate newsgroups: rec.roller.coasters and
rec.parks.theme (maybe rec.park.theme). I haven't gone that route myself
as they can take days to distribute the message and I may not be around to
get their response.

Those of you on AOL or another large national ISP may want to
check the availability of localized texas newsgroups also, presumably
they'd be in a tx.* heirarchy.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SFoT Set
Date: 20 Oct 1997 18:59:47 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:

> Remember, folx, you can't use the word S*bscribe in a
> message to
> the list or it gets bounced. I'm not going to be around to
> retririeve
> these, so if you don't get a message back that you sent to the
> list, wait
> 24 hours or so then resend it.
>
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> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:05:30 -0400 (EDT)
> From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
> Message-ID: <971020175456_1466246389@emout17.mail.aol.com>
> To: elongates-digest@mail.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: SFoT Set list [was Re: (elongates) TX Penny ALERT!]
>
> BTW, in what city is SFoT?
>

Arlington, Texas (near Dallas)

Nancy

> Mickey Morgan
> TEC 2115

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Thank You!
Date: 20 Oct 1997 19:08:06 -0700

On 10/20/97 1:07 PM Trey (tclh@hilconet.com ) wrote

>Thank you to everyone who has responded to Chris' need thru email and over
>the
>list. If anyone else would like to help him, they can send funds by Western
>Union in his name to San Jose, CA.
>
>Thanks again,
>Trey

I'm not working yet (after Apple's lay off's week before last) but I can
send Chris $100 and will get it to Western Union.

Bert

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) A trading note:
Date: 20 Oct 1997 19:10:30 -0700 (PDT)

On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> Most of us veterens roll all our cent ec's on copper cents.
> But, there are many new collectors / traders here. So,

Unfortunately, most rollers use only current coins (thus zinc),
so there are always going to be a lot of coins that are only available on
zinc coins.

> so note on your trade list. Many people will "assume"
> that all coins are copper unless otherwise stated. Some

Not to disagree with Bob, but I just can't do this for a few reasons:

1) It takes me a few hours to type up my trade list from scratch
as is and it generally runs about ten pages worth of information.
Having to note wether each coin is copper or zinc will not only be more
time consuming, but also add quite a bit of length to my list.

2) I have multiple copies of many issues, some on zinc, some on
copper. Am I expected to list the quantity of each? If so, see above.

3) The thing I do on every list I send out is put something to
the effect of "If you have specific questions about the condition of a
coin please ask" at the top. This is the other person's opportunity to
say 'no-zinc' or 'zinc only' or whatever. I also try to clarify each
coin in my confirmation of the trade.

A few months back I posted a little survey to the list asking
what information people thought was important in a trade list. Of the 35
s*bscribers the list had at that time I got a grand total of ONE
response. And he liked the way I did my list. Perhaps it's time for
another such survey.

I'm REALLY curious on peoples thoughts on this issue!!

Peace,

Aahz

(who's still not homeless! WooHoo! :)

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Great Location Updates...
Date: 20 Oct 1997 19:43:44 -0700

Hi Everyone,

I just got a great location report and wanted to pass it on... Here's the
Maui info I have been looking for (without success). I have been finding
sites (on the net) with emails and asking all kinds of folks on Maui for
help, and none have seen the machines... Sooooo, here's the scoop...

Hold on to your 'me too' emails... A friend will be on Maui in Nov and I
will try to load him up with uncirc 1960s pennies, getting enough for us
all! His wife may kill me though, so if you get Maui pennies and stop
seeing me here, you'll know I paid with my life...

Gina, do you know about the place in Santa Ana, is it close to Hwy5, is
it still there?

Bert
-- --- ---
I have a few updates for you web pages:

My son just returned from a trip to Maui. He found the coin you
have mentioned, but I would add that the machine is located at
the Airport, in the gift shop. The airport is at Kahalui, Maui.
The information you show for the coin is correct.

On the other side of the Island he found another machine. This
one was located at Ka'anapali Beach - at the Whaling Museum.
Machine is on the front porch.

Penny Machine:

Dotted edge. [Breaching Humpback Whale.] "Whalers village -
Lahaina, Maui."

(Although the coin says Lahaina, the museum is actually at
Ka'anapali Beach, a few miles away. You can't miss the museum,
it's a major tourist attraction.)


Found this coin at the swap meet:

Penny Machine:
Dotted edge, w/hole punched.

[no artwork]
6 lines of text:

L1 "Antiques and Collectibles. (Arched along top, medium sized
print)

L2 "100 S. Hathaway" (Very fine print.)
L3 "HORTON MERCANTILE."
L4 "Santa Ana, CA, 92701" (Very fine print)
L5 "714-547-1189" (Very fine print)
L6 "Buy-Sell-Trade" (Arched along bottom - medium size print.)

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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) A trading note:
Date: 20 Oct 1997 20:00:39 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Most of us veterens roll all our cent ec's on copper cents.
> > But, there are many new collectors / traders here. So,
>
> Unfortunately, most rollers use only current coins (thus
> zinc),
> so there are always going to be a lot of coins that are only
> available on
> zinc coins.
>
> > so note on your trade list. Many people will "assume"
> > that all coins are copper unless otherwise stated. Some
>
> Not to disagree with Bob, but I just can't do this for a
> few reasons:
>
> 1) It takes me a few hours to type up my trade list from
> scratch
> as is and it generally runs about ten pages worth of information.
> Having to note wether each coin is copper or zinc will not only be
> more
> time consuming, but also add quite a bit of length to my list.
>
> 2) I have multiple copies of many issues, some on zinc,
> some on
> copper. Am I expected to list the quantity of each? If so, see
> above.
>
> 3) The thing I do on every list I send out is put
> something to
> the effect of "If you have specific questions about the condition
> of a
> coin please ask" at the top. This is the other person's
> opportunity to
> say 'no-zinc' or 'zinc only' or whatever. I also try to clarify
> each
> coin in my confirmation of the trade.
>
> A few months back I posted a little survey to the list
> asking
> what information people thought was important in a trade list. Of
> the 35
> s*bscribers the list had at that time I got a grand total of ONE
> response. And he liked the way I did my list. Perhaps it's time
> for
> another such survey.
>
> I'm REALLY curious on peoples thoughts on this issue!!
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
> (who's still not homeless! WooHoo! :)

Well, being relatively new to the list, I didn't have the
opportunity to respond last time, so here goes!!! I have to agree
with Bob, though I see Chris' point also. I see no problem with not
specifying whether a coin is zinc or not on an extensive list, such
as the one Chris has, but I know that I do like to know what I'm
trading for. If everyone would confirm what the coin they were
sending was prior to sending it, it would give the recipient a
chance to accept coin, or choose another.

Recently I sent some coins which were zinc in a trade, without
thinking to mention what they were. The recipient was rather
distressed when he received them. I have since exchanged the coins,
and you can be sure that won't happen again, as I won't offer any of
my old stock, no matter how badly I want to make the trade. Since I
only use copper now, you can all be sure of what you are getting
from me, unless I note otherwise.

I think that we all are 'educated' shortly after joining this list,
and are now pressing coins only on copper, but the older coins in
our collections were most likely collected at a time when we thought
that the best coin to use was a 'shiny' one. Many of us started
with souvenirs for our children, and when they would come to us
asking for a 'shiny penny' to use, of course we would look high and
low for the required coin.

Communication is the key here, and as long as we all communicate
clearly with each other and don't try to 'put one over' on someone,
we should be able to continue to function well as a group.

Nancy

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Thank You!
Date: 20 Oct 1997 20:06:48 -0700

On 10/20/97 1:54 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>but odds are good that I'll be sitting here typing when the knock
>comes to the door :)

Chris

Remember, as you are riding away in the paddy wagon, and you start to
hear a thump thump thump, that will be a location keeper bighting their
tires! You have out support!

bc

(For newer list members... in the very early days of this list, I said
being a location keeper (maintaining a web site of EC locations) was like
being a dog that bites tires, you go round and round a lot, but
eventually you get there. I am a dog lover, so this was meant in fun!
Chris 'coined' the term location keepers and it stuck...)

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Trade list survey
Date: 20 Oct 1997 23:32:09 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

The following is a simple survey regarding what YOU think is
important information to be placed on a trade list. AS I will likely not
be around to compile results, please respond on-list until/unless someone
announces that they are willing to take over the project. Even should
someone volunteer to compile the information it would still be nice to
see the reponses posted to the list so we can all get a better idea of
what people want in our trade lissts (besides the list is automatically
archived).

BEGIN SURVEY

Please respond to each question with either a "yes", "no" or
"indifferent". Feel free to leave assitional comments on either a per
question basis or at the end of your reponses.

Any examples given will be describing coin CA-WMH-1 Logo which many list
members have in their collections and is also viewable on ...'s
Penny Page. The direct URL to the appropriate page is:
http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/winchester_logo.htm
(NOTE: This URL is subject to change)

Is this information important to you on a trade list?

Value in PEUs:
ie. 1 PEU (A PEU is a Penny Equivalency (sp?) Unit-the standard value
unit for trading on the list)

Catalog number (if available):
ie. CA-WMH-1 Logo

Location of machine:
ie. Winchester Mystery House, San Jose CA

Orientation:
ie. h.

Border:
ie. Dotted

Brief description:
ie. Winchester Mystery House logo

Moderate description:
ie. House over Rifle logo, "Winchester/Mystery House/San Jose, California"

Detailed Description:
ie. Oval logo, "Winchester" arcs around top of house, "Mystery House"
straight across center, below house and above a rifle, "San Jose,
California" arcs around bottome of oval.

Condition of image:
ie. perfect image or right side of border missing

Condition of coin:
ie. Cleaned and shiny, dark but clean, uncleaned

Type of coin:
ie. Copper/zinc

Machine maker/roller:
ie. Eurolink or Willy Massey

Engraver:
ie. Eurolink or Frank Brazzell

Number available:
ie. 1

Anything else:

Further comments:

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From: "..." <...>
Subject: (elongates) Six Flags Over Texas Coins from Dallas
Date: 19 Oct 1997 16:07:43 -0500

Anyone else interested in these coins, please e-mail me directly...I am
going to try to make it out there before Halloween, but I'm not sure
yet...I'll keep you posted.
The total cost will be:

X times $0.51 plus $5 plus shipping ($3 max)
Where X equals total number of coins available

So, if there are 15 coins available, the cost will be $15.65. That works
out to be $1 per coin...not too bad.

I've got a stock of coppers...I'll let y'all know if I need any more sent
to me.

...
The PennyPage
http://truewebdesign.com/PennyPage
...

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Trade list survey
Date: 21 Oct 1997 09:23:10 -0700

On 10/20/97 11:32 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>Is this information important to you on a trade list?

Yes, all this info is important to me on a trade list AS WELL AS on
location keeper sites. I don't need all this detail listed on every trade
list. It would be nice to have all this info on location keeper sites
(plural) so that I could take a trade list and look up a detailed (text)
description AND see a picture of the coin I am trading for. Knowing if
the coin is a pre-82, wheat or zinc (assuming pennies) is important to
me. I am using uncirculated 1960s pennies for my trading stock now, and
I'd like to get similar quality coins in trade. I started off trading
zincs (hey, I didn't know better till Jeff Dixon set me straight - Thanks
Jeff!).

One thing I would like to be sure we have a standard way of describing is
2 sided (mule) coins. I am finding more and more in my smashing trips and
trading... Also, it would be nice to know if a coin was smashed with a
die meant for a smaller coin. By this I mean a large coin (like my Susan
B. Anthony's) that were run through a penny die, so the image is much
smaller than the coin. I still will trade for these, but I would like to
know the images are smaller...

When coins come from Rollers, it would be nice to know this from the web
sites... If a coin is available from a location, I can decide if I want
to try and visit it or trade for it. If it is a 'roller coin' then I can
decide if I want to trade for it, or possible buy it from the roller...
Supporting rollers is important!

Sooo, a trade list with Chris' catalog number and Pre-82/wheat/zinc/ is
what I would like. Then I could go to one of several web sites and see
the coin (1 like it) and decide to trade or not.

Yes, I am willing to build a site that includes images of coins (both
inline images and available for separate download) IF you all are willing
to help scan the images. I can do some scanning, but there's more to it
than any 1 person can handle. I think the images should be sent to
several sites, so that no one site becomes a point of failure (hmmmm, I'm
starting to sound like an engineer!)... Nuff said...

bc

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From: "..." <...>
Subject: (elongates) Six Flags Over Texas Coins from Dallas
Date: 20 Oct 1997 21:13:53 -0500

I sent this message yesterday, but after reading e-mails today, I don't
think it ever went through. So here it is again:

-- --- --- --
> From: ... <...>
> To: elongates-digest@XMission.com
> Subject: Six Flags Over Texas Coins from Dallas
> Date: Sunday, October 19, 1997 4:07 PM
>
> Anyone else interested in these coins, please e-mail me directly...I am
> going to try to make it out there before Halloween, but I'm not sure
> yet...I'll keep you posted.
> The total cost will be:
>
> X times $0.51 plus $5 plus shipping ($3 max)
> Where X equals total number of coins available
>
> So, if there are 15 coins available, the cost will be $15.65. That works
> out to be $1 per coin...not too bad.
>
> I've got a stock of coppers...I'll let y'all know if I need any more sent
> to me.
>
> ...
> The PennyPage
> http://truewebdesign.com/PennyPage
> ...

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Great Location Updates...
Date: 21 Oct 1997 11:39:49 -0700 (PDT)

On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> have mentioned, but I would add that the machine is located at
> the Airport, in the gift shop. The airport is at Kahalui, Maui.

It's about time someone put a machine in an airport! Personally,
I think all airports would be natural spots for penny machines!

> L1 "Antiques and Collectibles. (Arched along top, medium sized
> print)
> L2 "100 S. Hathaway" (Very fine print.)
> L3 "HORTON MERCANTILE."
> L4 "Santa Ana, CA, 92701" (Very fine print)
> L5 "714-547-1189" (Very fine print)
> L6 "Buy-Sell-Trade" (Arched along bottom - medium size print.)

Well, I tried the phone number and no ansewr after10 rings. Also
did a Big Yellow Search on "Horton Mercantile" and no such business is
listed in any yellow pages nationwide. So I'd say they're no longer in
business.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Six Flags Over Texas Coins from Dallas
Date: 21 Oct 1997 13:49:02 -0500

... wrote:
>
> Anyone else interested in these coins, please e-mail me directly...I am
> going to try to make it out there before Halloween, but I'm not sure
> yet...I'll keep you posted.
> The total cost will be:
>
> X times $0.51 plus $5 plus shipping ($3 max)
> Where X equals total number of coins available
>
> So, if there are 15 coins available, the cost will be $15.65. That works
> out to be $1 per coin...not too bad.
>
> I've got a stock of coppers...I'll let y'all know if I need any more sent
> to me.
>
> ...

Boy, this sounds great. Let us have address so we can send money.

Flats

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Calatoging Ideas...
Date: 21 Oct 1997 11:52:29 -0700

On 10/21/97 11:39 AM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>> L1 "Antiques and Collectibles. (Arched along top, medium sized
>> print)
>> L2 "100 S. Hathaway" (Very fine print.)
>> L3 "HORTON MERCANTILE."
>> L4 "Santa Ana, CA, 92701" (Very fine print)
>> L5 "714-547-1189" (Very fine print)
>> L6 "Buy-Sell-Trade" (Arched along bottom - medium size print.)
>
> Well, I tried the phone number and no ansewr after10 rings. Also
>did a Big Yellow Search on "Horton Mercantile" and no such business is
>listed in any yellow pages nationwide. So I'd say they're no longer in
>business.

Should we expand our cataloging efforts to include "no longer available"
vs still available? I got a coin from Boston (in trading) and was happy
to no it was no longer available.

Again, let's keep this as simple as possible. I think trading lists and
location keeper sites that are integrated make lots of sense. This way we
can make our trade lists short and sweat, and look up all the detailed
info (when the machine was last scene, info about a certain roller, etc)
on web sites...

Example:

Trade List
1) CA-PGA-1 Vortex (Paramount)

Web Site (What it would contain)
h. Concentric circles ending in coaster car logo, "Vortex/Great
America"
Border: Dotted
Installed: ??/?? Removed: CA
Roller: SFPMC Engraver: ???
Notes: Installed before Paramount bought park
Status: Working on 10/10/97.
Picture available at this URL: www.abc.CA-PGA-1.html

What do you all think? Help me keep it simple!

bc

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Trade list survey
Date: 21 Oct 1997 12:12:32 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> On 10/20/97 11:32 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote
>
> >Is this information important to you on a trade list?
>
> Yes, all this info is important to me on a trade list

Of course, this may explain why we've never seen your complete
trade list posted ;) It takes a lot of time to include all that detail.
Especially the first time, or if your list changes a lot! If lists are
posted in small sections I can see it though.

> AS WELL AS on
> location keeper sites. I don't need all this detail listed on every trade
> list. It would be nice to have all this info on location keeper sites
> (plural) so that I could take a trade list and look up a detailed (text)
> description AND see a picture of the coin I am trading for.

This is one of the long term goals. Although I'd actually prefer
to see the info split into two areas (linked obviously). One area would
be the virtual penny museum. The VPM would have coins listed by category
number with complete descriptions, an image available and a link to the
appropriate LK information.
The second area would be the location keepers siteS. These would
have, well, location information. Location information includes machine
location/directions (both as detailed as possible), the catalog number of
the coin (remember, the title is part of the number), recent status of
the machine, and a link to the relevant portion of the VPM.
Putting all of this information in one place seems to me to not
only create more work/bandwidth/server space needs, but also will tend to
"clutter up" both sites.

That said, we don't have either the VPM or really detailed LK
sites yet (no, Bert, that's not a crack, you're doing a great job!) All
of this is going to take time and then there are always going to be
NUMEROUS coins that haven't been added yet. I need to know what people
want on a trade list NOW.

> One thing I would like to be sure we have a standard way of describing is
> 2 sided (mule) coins. I am finding more and more in my smashing trips and
> trading...

I don't quite understand that there's NOT a standard way of
describing two-sided coins or mules. It seems to me that you simply list
it as such:
XX-YYY-1 Sample Mule
obv. h. Image, "Text/Text"
rev. v. Image, "Text/Text/Text"

The only dfference between listing a two sided coin and a one
sided coin is the addition of obverse (obv.) and reverse (rev.) As for
deciding which side is which, that'll basically be done by the first
person to so list the coin 8-)

> Also, it would be nice to know if a coin was smashed with a
> die meant for a smaller coin. By this I mean a large coin (like my Susan
> B. Anthony's) that were run through a penny die, so the image is much
> smaller than the coin. I still will trade for these, but I would like to
> know the images are smaller...

I couldn't agree more that this is an important piece of
information! I have several large denomination coins that were rolled
with penny dies, and frankly I thnk they're really ugly. On the other
hand I think the quarters pressed on quarter dies are magnificent.

> Sooo, a trade list with Chris' catalog number and Pre-82/wheat/zinc/ is
> what I would like. Then I could go to one of several web sites and see
> the coin (1 like it) and decide to trade or not.
>
> Yes, I am willing to build a site that includes images of coins (both

I agree that thios would be the ultimate trading list.
Unfortunately it is still some time off. I still need an overall prioity
list of what's important to people so that when I start making trade
lists again I hit the key areas, but don't waste hours with unwanted info.

> inline images and available for separate download) IF you all are willing
> to help scan the images. I can do some scanning, but there's more to it
> than any 1 person can handle.

Speaking of scanning...has anyone used a digital camera to take
pictures of elongates? It seems to me this would be a much faster/easier
way to get the images then flatbed scanning.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Calatoging Ideas...
Date: 21 Oct 1997 12:26:26 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Should we expand our cataloging efforts to include "no longer available"
> vs still available? I got a coin from Boston (in trading) and was happy
> to no it was no longer available.

I'm assuming you mean 'trade list efforts'. The catalog is, of
course, covering NLA issues. I think the NLA vs CA issue is refelcted in
the PEU value assigned to the coins, so don't see the need to add yet
another piece of information.

> Again, let's keep this as simple as possible. I think trading lists and
> location keeper sites that are integrated make lots of sense. This way we
> can make our trade lists short and sweat, and look up all the detailed
> info (when the machine was last scene, info about a certain roller, etc)
> on web sites...

That's the whole purpose of creating the catalog in the first
place. With DL coins we can all simply refer to them by number now as
everyone who wants one should have a copy of the list and it's also
posted on Kathy's Penny Page.

However, it's going to take time to build up all of these sites
and we can't count on you and Kathy doing it alone! As several people
know I am strongly considering setting up a new domain for elongates.
However, aside from my current personal problems, I am going to need a
lot of help in setiting up the web site and (as Bert mentioned earlier)
doing the scanning. I'd like to see anyone with server space available
(most ISP accounts come with some server space) provide help out with
donating some space for the LK and museum sites.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Knott's Bought!!
Date: 21 Oct 1997 12:59:56 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

Well, it seems Al was right and the rest of us were wrong (Sorry
Al!). An announcement was made today that the Cedar Point Limited
Partnership is purchasing Knott's Berry Farm lock, stock, and jelly jar!
Hopefully there won't be many changes, but I thought y'all would be
interested, so the Press Release is below (couldn't get the direct URL to
work <shrug>)

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Full story
_________________________________________________________________

Cedar Fair, L.P. to Acquire Knott's Berry Farm
09:00 a.m. Oct 21, 1997 Eastern

SANDUSKY, Ohio, Oct. 21 /PRNewswire/ -- Cedar Fair, L.P. (NYSE: FUN),
a publicly traded partnership that operates four seasonal amusement
parks, today announced that it has reached agreement in principle for
the acquisition of Knott's Berry Farm, a privately held partnership
which owns and operates Knott's Berry Farm theme park in Buena Park,
California and manages Knott's Camp Snoopy at the Mall of America in
Bloomington, Minnesota. The acquisition will be made with a
combination of Cedar Fair limited partnership units and cash. The
transaction is subject to a number of conditions and conclusion of a
definitive agreement. Further details were not disclosed.

Knott's Berry Farm is a family-oriented theme park with six themed
areas on more than 150 acres. The park is currently involved in
expanding its existing operations into a new area which will feature a
major wooden roller coaster, planned to open in the Spring of 1999.
Knott's generates annual revenues of approximately $120 million and
serves approximately 3.5 million guests per year, principally from the
Los Angeles and Southern California markets. With the addition of
Knott's, Cedar Fair will generate annual revenues approaching $400
million and attendance of more than 10 million guests per year.

"This is an excellent opportunity for both companies," said Richard L.
Kinzel, president and chief executive officer of Cedar Fair. "Knott's
is a very well-run organization with excellent management and
employees, and we will fit well together. In addition, this
transaction gives us year-round park operations for the first time, in
a park with an outstanding reputation in our industry and among its
millions of loyal guests."

"There are great synergies between these two fine companies and this
transaction will benefit all those involved," said Terry E. Van
Gorder, president and chief executive officer of Knott's.

Cedar Fair, L.P. owns and operates Cedar Point, located on Lake Erie
between Cleveland and Toledo, Valleyfair near Minneapolis-St. Paul,
Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom, near Allentown, Pennsylvania, and
Worlds of Fun and Oceans of Fun, located in Kansas City, Missouri.
SOURCE Cedar Fair, L.P.

Copyright 1997, PR Newswire [INLINE]

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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) RE:Knott's Bought!!
Date: 21 Oct 1997 13:38:56 -0700

Do we know when the machines will be removed? Has Knott's closed yet
for the winter?

- Jeff

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) RE:Knott's Bought!!
Date: 21 Oct 1997 13:40:19 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Dixon, Jeff wrote:

> Do we know when the machines will be removed? Has Knott's closed yet
> for the winter?

Knott's doesn't close for the winter. They're open year round.

As for the machines, I doubt they will be removed anytime in the
near future. There was no mention of a name change and with the history
behind KBF I see no reason they would change it. The SFoT situation is
very different in that a large reason for the change in management
companies (SF to Premier) was that the owners wanted to get rid of the
Warner licensing and get back to history. No such comments have been
made regarding KBF. And none of their coins depict licensed characters
anyway, except for the one Camp Sboopy quarter.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Alan Kita <alkita@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) RE:Knott's Bought!!
Date: 21 Oct 1997 14:02:12 -0800

Dixon, Jeff wrote:
>
> Do we know when the machines will be removed? Has Knott's closed yet
> for the winter?
>
> - Jeff

er...Knott's doesn't close for the winter...the Southern California
weather supports year-round parks...I'm sure you were kidding...now that
I thought about this for awhile.

Alan :-)

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) A trading note:
Date: 21 Oct 1997 18:40:31 -0400 (EDT)

Hi;

> Many of us started
> with souvenirs for our children, and when they would come to us
> asking for a 'shiny penny' to use,

Yes, I asked a girl in a gift shop if I could have an ol' copper cent and she
said, "You're the first person to ever ask me for anything but a shinny new
one! Why?"
Now, I've learned from Bert and others, to carry my own "BU's".

I can see why it is a problem for some to state zinc or copper on their
lists. It is
important to some, but, can be covered by the means suggested. This AM I
spoke
with a list member on the phone, he asked about my Splash Mountain ec. I
told him first off that it was zinc. End of trade. I'm glad I didn't send
it to him or bargain a trade only to find out that the zinc wouldn't work.

Many have read my posts and received offers of trades from me, and I do
include any thing bad about the coin that I can see. I'll also say it's nice
if it looks that way to me. But then, my lists are generally *real* short so
I still have the luxury of such notes.

-Bob Hoff @ 6:40 PM EST
(With my e-mail running about six hours late thanks to AOL.)

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From: Bill Rowland <browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Subject: (elongates) Hello
Date: 21 Oct 1997 20:42:14 -0800

Hello, my name is Bill Rowland. I am a Sergeant with the police
department in Carlsbad, California. I read an article about collecting
elongated coins a few weeks ago in the San Diego Union and I was hooked.
I got my first coin here in Carlsbad (a windmill from the Pea Soup
Andersen's restuarant) in September and I'm now up to about 15 different
designs from the San Diego region. (My wife thinks that I'm crazy but
that isn't anything new.) I am working my way around the area and would
appreciate any input as to machines in San Diego County. My internet
link is through work and I handle alot of law enforcement inquiries so I
will probably subscribe to the digest version of this list. If you would
like to contact me directly my e mail address is
browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us.

P.S. Carlsbad will be the home of the new LEGO Land USA in 1999. They
have two parks now, one in Billund,Denmark and one in Windsor,England.
Does any one know if they have coin machines at either of those parks?

Bye for now

Bill

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Digital Camera's
Date: 21 Oct 1997 20:10:06 -0700

On 10/21/97 12:12 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

> Speaking of scanning...has anyone used a digital camera to take
>pictures of elongates? It seems to me this would be a much faster/easier
>way to get the images then flatbed scanning.

Greetings,

Many low end ($600) digital camera's have focal lengths that prevent good
(macro) shots. The QuickTake 100, 150 and 200 are great for shooting the
EC machines - but terrible for pennies (it just won't work). The AppleOne
Scanner does a great job on coins... (Caveat: I am no longer an Apple
employee but have lots of digital camera experience...).

bc

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) A trading note:
Date: 21 Oct 1997 20:12:46 -0700

On 10/21/97 3:40 PM Bob Hoff (R0BERTH0FF@aol.com ) wrote

>Yes, I asked a girl in a gift shop if I could have an ol' copper cent and she
>said, "You're the first person to ever ask me for anything but a shinny new
>one! Why?"
>Now, I've learned from Bert and others, to carry my own "BU's".

Ever since the newspaper article came out, the coin shop I used to buy
uncircs and BU's from doesn't want to sell me (numismatic heathen) any
uncircs! Guess I need a new source soon!

bc

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 21 Oct 1997 20:28:12 -0700

On 10/21/97 9:42 PM Bill Rowland (browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us ) wrote

>Hello, my name is Bill Rowland. I am a Sergeant with the police
>department in Carlsbad, California.

Hi Bill and WELCOME to the list!

>I read an article about collecting
>elongated coins a few weeks ago in the San Diego Union and I was hooked.

The article was started by my sister. She works for Ch10 (KGTV) and
pitched the story to them. They said it was not a TV story but would be
good for the paper, so she called a friend at the SD Union Trib, and that
is how it got started. It turns out John Wilkens (the Staff Writer that
wrote the article) has a son and he collects smashed coins (elongates,
rolled, etc)... I took John and his photography to Old Town to shoot the
pictures...

>I got my first coin here in Carlsbad (a windmill from the Pea Soup
>Andersen's restuarant) in September and I'm now up to about 15 different
>designs from the San Diego region.

Yup, it starts with a trickle of coins coming in and becomes a river of
copper!

>(My wife thinks that I'm crazy but
>that isn't anything new.)

Mine too! But my 2 year old loves to help smash pennies!

>I am working my way around the area and would
>appreciate any input as to machines in San Diego County.

My Smashed Coin Locator web site is at:

http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html

And the San Diego page is at:

http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/San_Diego.html

I have not been able to update the pages for several weeks... So be sure
to check out these recently discovered sites:

- 2 Hand Crank Machines at Horten Plaza (Downtown SD). One by the Longs
Drug the other near the toy store...

- Mission Bay Visitor Center

- Julian (somewhere on main street)

- Viejas Casino

- The Star Of India

- Mission Bay roller coaster

- 4 machines in Old Town (Cafe Coyote...)

Those are the ones from memory that are not on the web site. I hope to
have a new home (URL) for the web site soon and will update everything as
soon as possible.

Up on Hwy 15 is a produce market/stand called Tom's and they have a
machine...

>My internet
>link is through work and I handle alot of law enforcement inquiries so I
>will probably subscribe to the digest version of this list. If you would
>like to contact me directly my e mail address is
>browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us.

Feel free to contact me at creightoniii@home.com
>
>P.S. Carlsbad will be the home of the new LEGO Land USA in 1999. They
>have two parks now, one in Billund,Denmark and one in Windsor,England.
>Does any one know if they have coin machines at either of those parks?

I'm checking now with Eurolink to see if they have anything there...
>
Again, welcome to the list and it is ALWAYS great to meet San Diego
collectors (we're in Eastlake near Southwestern College)... Take Care,

Bert

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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Calatoging Ideas...
Date: 22 Oct 1997 01:21:45 -0400 (EDT)

Another potential, but minor, snag in the Aahz catalog could be the naming of
the sets.
Below, PGA is used for Paramount's Great America.
When this park was built, it was Marriott's Great America. (MGA) It was sold
temporarily to the City of Santa Clara where it was known as Great America.
(GA) Paramount then bought it thusly, Paramount's Great America.
What if Six Flags bought it, SFGA?
Is the catalog changed when the park name is changed?

Of course we could cross that bridge when we come to it.

Mickey
TEC 2115
Procrastinator's Society (no number yet)

In a message dated 10/21/97 11:54:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> Trade List
> 1) CA-PGA-1 Vortex (Paramount)
>
> Web Site (What it would contain)
> h. Concentric circles ending in coaster car logo, "Vortex/Great
> America"
> Border: Dotted
> Installed: ??/?? Removed: CA
> Roller: SFPMC Engraver: ???
> Notes: Installed before Paramount bought park
> Status: Working on 10/10/97.
> Picture available at this URL: www.abc.CA-PGA-1.html
>

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From: CWFIII@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: (elongates) Trade list survey
Date: 22 Oct 1997 06:01:09 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 10/21/97 4:25:39 PM, you wrote:

<<Yes, I am willing to build a site that includes images of coins (both
inline images and available for separate download) IF you all are willing
to help scan the images. I can do some scanning, but there's more to it
than any 1 person can handle.>>

I would be more than willing to help out with the scanning chores,
unfortunately, the vast majority of the coins I have are Disneys, so if that
helps, let me know.

Thanks,

Carl

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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) RE:Knott's Bought!!
Date: 22 Oct 1997 07:04:27 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 10/21/97 2:01:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> Dixon, Jeff wrote:
> >
> > Do we know when the machines will be removed? Has Knott's closed yet
> > for the winter?
> >
> > - Jeff

Remember, Jeff is from Maine and Boston.
He is still pondering the concept that in coastal California we have only two
seasons, Warmer and dry and cooler and wet.
It's something that I'm sure he'll get to love.
But closer to where we live, Great America and Marine World are both closed
for the winter so as not to make him too homesick.

Mickey
TEC 2115.

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Disneyland Tokyo Set
Date: 22 Oct 1997 08:26:03 -0400 (EDT)

Hi;

Good news and bad.

At long last, I have been offered two sets of Disneyland Tokyo pressed
"cents". I'm told there are nine different coins in each set and they are
offered at $50.00 per or $90.00 for both. I'm supposed to meet the guy if
I'm interested. I'm thinking they are
about $40.00 a set over priced. I'd hope someone else could offer them for
less.

I would pick up a set if someone wanted to trade some "old Disney" ec's (that
I'm missing in my set) for them. I'm just not sure I'd put out so much for
TDL ec's even if they are built better or get better mileage. :-) What would
you do?

Happy Collecting,

-Bob Hoff

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From: "..." <...>
Subject: (elongates) Fw: Newspaper Article-Circulated
Date: 21 Oct 1997 22:12:08 -0500

Thought some list members might be interested....

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> From: John and Jennifer Yast <JRYST@classic.msn.com>
> To: ... <...>
> Subject: RE: Thanks!
> Date: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 8:45 PM
>
> I read it in the Homewood Flossmoor Star (a south suburban Chicago
paper), but
> instead of a dateline, it just said Copley news Service.
>
> -- --- --- --
> From: ...
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 1997 6:06 PM
> To: John and Jennifer Yast
> Subject: Thanks!
>
> Thanks for the information. By the way, where did you read the article?
I'm
> not familiar with it.
>
> -- --- --- --
> > From: John and Jennifer Yast <JRYST@classic.msn.com>
> > To: ...
> > Subject:
> > Date: Monday, October 20, 1997 9:01 PM
> >
> > Just thought you might like to know about a NEW coin smasher in
Chicago.
> The
> > Chicago Cultural Center (southwest corner of Randolph St. & Michigan
> Ave.)
> > installed one recently. I'm not a collector, so I don't know what the
> results
> > look like, but I figured I'd pass it on after reading about you in an
> article
> > by Copley News Service.
> >
> > J.R. Yast
> > jryst@msn.com
>
>

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: Re: (elongates) Trade list survey
Date: 22 Oct 1997 08:12:45 -0700

On 10/22/97 3:01 AM Carl (CWFIII@aol.com ) wrote

>I would be more than willing to help out with the scanning chores,
>unfortunately, the vast majority of the coins I have are Disneys, so if that
>helps, let me know.

It does help Carl! That would free me up to scan San Diego coins, and
things I am getting in trades!

Bert

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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Possible Hawaii location, Pearl Harbor
Date: 22 Oct 1997 13:03:28 -0400 (EDT)

If someone's going to be on Oahu, There's a possibility that the Arizona
Memorial at Pearl Harbor has an EC machine.
I just picked-up an elongate at coin shop that has the USS Arizona
memorial pictured. It has text "1152 entombed" and Dec. 7, 1941 on opposite
sides.
It looks like it was left outside because it has a pitting corrosion
over the surface. It is definitely on a 1978 copper.

Mickey
TEC 2115

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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Tokyo Set
Date: 22 Oct 1997 13:13:17 -0400 (EDT)

Bob,
Since you asked, I'd wait.
More than five bucks is way too much per coin for a currently available,
though admittedly difficult to obtain, set.
As I've seen on eBay, if something gets too expensive, stop bidding. An
identical item will come along again soon enough.
Your dilema is if you buy it and another comes along cheaper, you'll
kick yourself. If you don't buy it and the machines disappear, you'll kick
yourself.

The problem that we'll have here is that is someone offers to get a few
at TDL, they'll be swamped with requests as was the situation with Six Flags.
Who wants to spend their valuable TDL time pressing pennies? Our best hope is
to connect with someone who lives there or travels there frequently.
Still, I'd go with the wait and watch.

Mickey
TEC 2115

In a message dated 10/22/97 5:28:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> At long last, I have been offered two sets of Disneyland Tokyo pressed
> "cents". I'm told there are nine different coins in each set and they are
> offered at $50.00 per or $90.00 for both. I'm supposed to meet the guy if
> I'm interested. I'm thinking they are
> about $40.00 a set over priced. I'd hope someone else could offer them
for
> less.
>
> I would pick up a set if someone wanted to trade some "old Disney" ec's (
> that
> I'm missing in my set) for them. I'm just not sure I'd put out so much
for
> TDL ec's even if they are built better or get better mileage. :-) What
> would
> you do?

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Possible Hawaii location, Pearl Harbor
Date: 22 Oct 1997 10:32:32 -0700

On 10/22/97 10:03 AM Mickey Morgan (ENTROPYM@aol.com ) wrote

> If someone's going to be on Oahu, There's a possibility that the Arizona
>Memorial at Pearl Harbor has an EC machine.
> I just picked-up an elongate at coin shop that has the USS Arizona
>memorial pictured. It has text "1152 entombed" and Dec. 7, 1941 on opposite
>sides.
> It looks like it was left outside because it has a pitting corrosion
>over the surface. It is definitely on a 1978 copper.
>
>Mickey
>TEC 2115

Hi All,

There is no machine at the Museum or on the memorial itself. I was there
4 weeks ago, and I talked to everyone there... There IS a Frank Brazzell
machine in Waikiki with 4 designs, 1 of which is an Arizona Memorial. I
have a picture of this machine on my Hawaii web site at:

http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/Hawaii.html

There's a typo in my text, Mickey is right, it is "1152 entombed." A bit
of history, I was a Boy Scout in 1968 and was part of the memorial
service which we performed with a Navy Chaplain -- 7am on the memorial, 7
Dec 68. It was a very moving experience, even as a kid.

There are 2 Arizona Memorial pennies... Once I get my web site re-hosted
I will scan pictures of them both and get them on the new web site...

That's it for now!

Bert

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Tokyo Set
Date: 22 Oct 1997 10:36:27 -0700

On 10/22/97 10:13 AM Mickey Morgan (ENTROPYM@aol.com ) wrote

>Bob,
>Since you asked, I'd wait.
>More than five bucks is way too much per coin for a currently available,
>though admittedly difficult to obtain, set.
> As I've seen on eBay, if something gets too expensive, stop bidding. An
>identical item will come along again soon enough.
> Your dilema is if you buy it and another comes along cheaper, you'll
>kick yourself. If you don't buy it and the machines disappear, you'll kick
>yourself.
>
> The problem that we'll have here is that is someone offers to get a few
>at TDL, they'll be swamped with requests as was the situation with Six Flags.
>Who wants to spend their valuable TDL time pressing pennies? Our best hope is
>to connect with someone who lives there or travels there frequently.
>Still, I'd go with the wait and watch.
>
>Mickey
>TEC 2115

All,

Let me see my friend today and see what she says. She was going to try
and get a friend in Japan to collect some sets for us. I told her we
would need 15 sets... Deidra and I will be taking Alex to playgroup at
noon, so hold on and let me see if there's any word...

Chris is offline (as far as I know) and so I will be sure to include a
set for him... On that topic, lets all go work together to be sure he
gets a set from SFoT...

Bert

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From: CWFIII@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: (elongates) RE:Knott's Bought!!
Date: 22 Oct 1997 14:01:35 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 10/22/97 11:06:03 AM, you wrote:

<<Remember, Jeff is from Maine and Boston.
He is still pondering the concept that in coastal California we have only two
seasons, Warmer and dry and cooler and wet.
It's something that I'm sure he'll get to love.>>

Oh yeah? Well I'm in Phoenix and all we have is hotter than hell and pretty
dang warm. 8^)

Carl

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) RE:Knott's Bought!!
Date: 22 Oct 1997 13:24:20 -0500

>
> Oh yeah? Well I'm in Phoenix and all we have is hotter than hell and pretty
> dang warm. 8^)
>
> Carl

Well I am in Minnesota and all we have is real cold and frozen (about 2
degrees difference between the two). Tundra, got to love it!

Flats

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 22 Oct 1997 11:54:04 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Bill Rowland wrote:

> Hello, my name is Bill Rowland. I am a Sergeant with the police
> department in Carlsbad, California. I

Welcome to the list, Bill! I went to high school at the Army and
Navy Academy right there in Carlsbad. In fact, if you were in the
department prior to 1987 then we just may have met 8-)

> link is through work and I handle alot of law enforcement inquiries so I
> will probably subscribe to the digest version of this list. If you would

Unfortunately, the digest version of the list is currently being
done manually since XMission (the list ISP) has been ignoring my requests
for digesting. What this also means is that the digests are not being
done until I get a regular net connection again (I'm logging on from the
library right now). So if you can hang on thru the regular list for a
few weeks that would be great. If not, I will add you to the digest list
when I am able to begin doing it again.

> P.S. Carlsbad will be the home of the new LEGO Land USA in 1999. They
> have two parks now, one in Billund,Denmark and one in Windsor,England.
> Does any one know if they have coin machines at either of those parks?

This is GREAT news! I always wanted to go to a LEGO Land! I'd
be very surprised if either current park has machines as they are still
pretty rare overseas. I don't KNOW, I just doubt it. Definetly worth
asking people from those areas about it though!

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) A trading note:
Date: 22 Oct 1997 11:59:45 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Ever since the newspaper article came out, the coin shop I used to buy
> uncircs and BU's from doesn't want to sell me (numismatic heathen) any
> uncircs! Guess I need a new source soon!
>
Try asking to see their Indian Head cents or Buffalo Nickels
cause you think they'll look cool elongated 8-) Or ask 'em if they think
a Morgan DOllar will fit in a quarter slot ;)

Peace,

Aahz
(who loves to tweak the "oh so serious" numismatists)

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Calatoging Ideas...
Date: 22 Oct 1997 12:05:41 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 ENTROPYM@aol.com wrote:

> Below, PGA is used for Paramount's Great America.
> What if Six Flags bought it, SFGA?

Actually, SFGA already exists, but I think it's in Illinois (I
know it's back east somewhere

> Is the catalog changed when the park name is changed?

No, the whole point of the catalog is that it is NEVER changed.
If,for example, Sic Flags were to buy Paramount's Great America, then
they would also change their coins to reflect the new name. Thus the new
coins would be in a new topic listing (CA-SFGA). The old coins would
still be listed as CA-PGA.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Tokyo Set
Date: 22 Oct 1997 12:22:24 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Let me see my friend today and see what she says. She was going to try
> and get a friend in Japan to collect some sets for us. I told her we
> would need 15 sets... Deidra and I will be taking Alex to playgroup at
> noon, so hold on and let me see if there's any word...

Wow, if they were to come thru with 15 sets that'd be one heck of
a friendship. Aside from the time, the cash outlay on 15 sets of 9 coins
is 13,500 yen or $98.00 plus postage. But hey, who am I to question
anothers friendship :)

I've got four Tokyo locals planningtrips in November who have
promised to look for me and one US citizen who's over there on vvacation
right now. The point? These sets WILL arrive thru someone and at far
less then $50 a pop.

> Chris is offline (as far as I know) and so I will be sure to include a
> set for him... On that topic, lets all go work together to be sure he
> gets a set from SFoT...

Thanx guys. I'm on ittermitent at the moment as I have to use
public terminals, but I will try to log on whenevber possible. And if
someone manages to set aside either set for me and then I manage to get
'em on my own as well, you can be sure the spare set will be made
available to the community (I'm not on to hoard duplicates :)

Peace,

Aahz

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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Calatoging Ideas...
Date: 22 Oct 1997 15:31:38 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 10/22/97 12:09:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> No, the whole point of the catalog is that it is NEVER changed.
> If,for example, Sic Flags were to buy Paramount's Great America, then
> they would also change their coins to reflect the new name. Thus the new
> coins would be in a new topic listing (CA-SFGA). The old coins would
> still be listed as CA-PGA.
>

Duh, I should have known that!
I really need to get more sleep!
10/22 and you're still on-line? Awright! Hang in there!

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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 22 Oct 1997 15:37:32 -0400 (EDT)

Welcome Bill,
Your next logical step would be to load up on ECs (elongated coins) from
your area because I and probably others around the country need SD coins for
our collections. I'd love to trade some of my San Francisco area coins for
whatever you can get down there! Trading builds up your collection very
quickly with coins that you might not ever be able to get on your own such as
Niagra Falls (thanks Jeff).

In a message dated 10/22/97 9:57:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> Hello, my name is Bill Rowland. I am a Sergeant with the police
> department in Carlsbad, California. I read an article about collecting
> elongated coins a few weeks ago in the San Diego Union and I was hooked.
> I got my first coin here in Carlsbad (a windmill from the Pea Soup
> Andersen's restuarant) in September and I'm now up to about 15 different
> designs from the San Diego region. (My wife thinks that I'm crazy but
> that isn't anything new.) I am working my way around the area and would
> appreciate any input as to machines in San Diego County. My internet
> link is through work and I handle alot of law enforcement inquiries so I
> will probably subscribe to the digest version of this list. If you would
> like to contact me directly my e mail address is
> browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us.
>

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Fwd: Disneyland Tokyo Set
Date: 22 Oct 1997 15:55:49 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-22 15:15:16 EDT, aahz@svpal.org writes:


> On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
>
> > I would pick up a set if someone wanted to trade some "old Disney" ec's
(
> that
> > I'm missing in my set) for them. I'm just not sure I'd put out so much
> for
> > TDL ec's even if they are built better or get better mileage. :-) What
> would
> > you do?
>
> DON"T BUY THEM!!!! Not only is that incredible price gouging,
> but if he manages to sell a et at those prices then he will tell others
> what he's getting and all the prices will go up. It's a SERIOUS waste of
> money and hurts the entire EC community in the process. Tell him he's
> nuts. $20 on the high side.
>
> And, yes, I desperately want these coins as well, but there are
> cheaper ways of getting them. Hell if I could sell 'em for $50 a set to
> everyone on the list that wants 'em I could afford to fly to Tokyo and
> pick 'em up!
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
>
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On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> I would pick up a set if someone wanted to trade some "old Disney" ec's
(that
> I'm missing in my set) for them. I'm just not sure I'd put out so much for
> TDL ec's even if they are built better or get better mileage. :-) What
would
> you do?

DON"T BUY THEM!!!! Not only is that incredible price gouging,
but if he manages to sell a et at those prices then he will tell others
what he's getting and all the prices will go up. It's a SERIOUS waste of
money and hurts the entire EC community in the process. Tell him he's
nuts. $20 on the high side.

And, yes, I desperately want these coins as well, but there are
cheaper ways of getting them. Hell if I could sell 'em for $50 a set to
everyone on the list that wants 'em I could afford to fly to Tokyo and
pick 'em up!

Peace,

Aahz

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 22 Oct 1997 16:02:29 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-22 15:39:40 EDT, you write:

> Welcome Bill,
> Your next logical step would be to load up on ECs (elongated coins)
> from
> your area because I and probably others around the country need SD coins
for
> our collections. I'd love to trade some of my San Francisco area coins for
> whatever you can get down there! Trading builds up your collection very
> quickly with coins that you might not ever be able to get on your own such

> as
> Niagra Falls (thanks Jeff).
>

Ditto!

I have lots of Disneyland ec's to trade for SD also!

Happy Collecting,

-Bob Hoff

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) A trading note:
Date: 22 Oct 1997 15:59:00 -0700

On 10/22/97 11:59 AM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>> Ever since the newspaper article came out, the coin shop I used to buy
>> uncircs and BU's from doesn't want to sell me (numismatic heathen) any
>> uncircs! Guess I need a new source soon!
>>
> Try asking to see their Indian Head cents or Buffalo Nickels
>cause you think they'll look cool elongated 8-) Or ask 'em if they think
>a Morgan DOllar will fit in a quarter slot ;)

I was thinking about taking a heavy wire brush in the coin shop and
asking for advice on how to best polish up those steel pennies I just
bought from them! 8-)

My sand blaster is to large to haul into the coin shop... 8-(

bc

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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) RE:Knott's Bought!!
Date: 22 Oct 1997 21:08:20 -0400

ENTROPYM@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/21/97 2:01:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:
>
> > Dixon, Jeff wrote:
> > >
> > > Do we know when the machines will be removed? Has Knott's closed yet
> > > for the winter?
> > >
> > > - Jeff
>
> Remember, Jeff is from Maine and Boston.
> He is still pondering the concept that in coastal California we have only two
> seasons, Warmer and dry and cooler and wet.
> It's something that I'm sure he'll get to love.
> But closer to where we live, Great America and Marine World are both closed
> for the winter so as not to make him too homesick.
>
> Mickey
> TEC 2115.

New England only has two seasons: Winter and bad sledding.

Ben.

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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) A trading note:
Date: 22 Oct 1997 21:18:08 -0400

Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> On 10/22/97 11:59 AM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote
>
> >> Ever since the newspaper article came out, the coin shop I used to buy
> >> uncircs and BU's from doesn't want to sell me (numismatic heathen) any
> >> uncircs! Guess I need a new source soon!
> >>
> > Try asking to see their Indian Head cents or Buffalo Nickels
> >cause you think they'll look cool elongated 8-) Or ask 'em if they think
> >a Morgan DOllar will fit in a quarter slot ;)
>
> I was thinking about taking a heavy wire brush in the coin shop and
> asking for advice on how to best polish up those steel pennies I just
> bought from them! 8-)
>
> My sand blaster is to large to haul into the coin shop... 8-(
>
> bc

Gee, my coin shop watches for steelies and BU's for me to squish. They
cull out the more valuable pennies and sell me the rest.

Ben

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From: "Fernando Uyaguari" <fuyaguari@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Tokyo Set
Date: 23 Oct 1997 07:14:53 PDT

Hello friends!

I am a banknote collector from Ecuador. I have ecuadorian banknotes
(5,10,20,100(2 diff) and 500 sucres) to swap with you.

Regards!
Fernando

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) A trading note:
Date: 23 Oct 1997 10:47:32 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-23 02:50:58 EDT, you write:

> I was thinking about taking a heavy wire brush in the coin shop and
> asking for advice on how to best polish up those steel pennies I just
> bought from them! 8-)
>
> My sand blaster is to large to haul into the coin shop... 8-(

Bert;

Sand Blaster?! A true Numismatist would use a glass beader! :-)

-Bob

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From: Bill Rowland <browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 23 Oct 1997 10:56:42 -0800

Hi Chris
Yes, I was here when you were at the ANA. I joined the department in
July of 1985 so we may have met somewhere along the line.

No problem with waiting for the Digest version of the list. I enjoy
reading the cross talk. I just don't have time to review it all on a
daily basis. I'm afraid that my Captain would object if I spent more
time reading about smashed coins than I did recruiting and hiring police
officers. When LEGO gets closer to completion I'll see if I can dig up
some info on the park and send it to you.

Take care

Bill

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 23 Oct 1997 09:51:17 -0700

On 10/23/97 11:56 AM Bill Rowland (browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us ) wrote

>I'm afraid that my Captain would object if I spent more
>time reading about smashed coins

Guess we have to get your Capt. collecting smashed coins to! 8-)

bc

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From: Bill Rowland <browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 23 Oct 1997 12:11:02 -0800

He told me that he had a few from his travels that he would give me. He
paints military figurines and builds models. He has more time on his
hands than I do.

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Hi! Re: Trades
Date: 23 Oct 1997 17:18:14 -0400 (EDT)

Hi Nancy!

Hey, just opened the package. Great ec's! Thanks!

By the way, you sent back the 1/10 ec'c, the little guy,
didn't you like him? It's a Masonic you know; I thougt
you'd want him.

-Bob

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Arizona Locations
Date: 23 Oct 1997 11:05:36 -0700

Arizons Locations:

Does anyone know of a machine/s in Oatman, Arizona (old mining town?)?

I also have a report of a machine on Old Route 66... Has anyone seen this
machine?

Thanks for any and all Location Reports!

Bert

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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 23 Oct 1997 20:38:41 -0400

Bill Rowland wrote:
>
> He told me that he had a few from his travels that he would give me. He
> paints military figurines and builds models. He has more time on his
> hands than I do.

Izit true that Captains have forgotten where they came from and
everything they learned along the way?

Ben

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Arizona Locations
Date: 23 Oct 1997 19:48:05 -0000

Bert writes:>
> Arizons Locations:
>
> Does anyone know of a machine/s in Oatman, Arizona (old mining town?)?

Hi Bert,
My aunt was just in Oatman last week and since I have my family members
keep an eye out for machines-she looked for an Oatman machine. She had
heard there was one there, but could not find it. She said she went in
every store, searched high and low and finally asked a store clerk who said
it had been removed. My aunt also tells all the store employees she talks
to that they need a machine. "Your really missing out", she says.
>
> I also have a report of a machine on Old Route 66... Has anyone seen this

> machine?
>
I have a Route 66 elongated coin and I not exactly sure of the location,
but it is in a convenient store (or at least it was). This store is a few
exits past (East of) the Meteor Crater exit. It is the first store/gas
station you come upon.

I know it's not exact, but who knew somebody would be wanting this info
some day?

Gina

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From: "Douglas J. Brennecke" <102421.3206@compuserve.com>
Subject: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Oct 1997 01:07:55 -0400

Greetings to all. Like Bill Rowland, I am also new to this group. My name
is Doug Brennecke, and I, too, saw the newspaper article about Bert
Creighton. I have been reading the messages for about the last week and I
have been learning a lot! I live in Encinitas, CA, just a few miles south
of Bill. I have been a casual collector for a number of years, picking up
inexpensive souvenirs for my children when we would go to amusement parks
and tourist areas.

I would be happy to develop some local coins for trade with others, but I
would like to understand the accepted practices so that I can participate
most efficiently. If there are some ground rules for the types of coins to
be used to be considered trading quality, and how I would go about finding
them, please let me know. My collecting efforts for my children were
limited to finding the shiniest coin in my pocket to be used!

If you have a brief glossary of terms commonly used in these conversations,
please share it with me. For example, what's a "roller"? Is it a person,
or a type of machine? Aren't we neophytes a lot of fun?

As I learn more, and have some information to share, I'll try to contribute
to the collective knowledge of the group with machine sites, descriptions,
etc.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me.

Doug

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From: "..." <...>
Subject: (elongates) The Penny Page
Date: 23 Oct 1997 21:36:43 -0500

It is to my regret to inform you that The Penny Page may not be available
in the next few weeks. I can only access it about 50% of the time. The
company that is hosting my web site is having major problems with their
server and we are in the process of moving our domain to another
provider/server. (I just have no luck with virtual domain hosts.)

This problem should not effect my email (this time).

Please note: The web site address will remain the same since we own the
domain name:
http://truewebdesign.com/PennyPage

Thank you for your patience
...
...

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From: Bill Rowland <browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Oct 1997 10:07:20 -0800

I think that the memory just becomes more selective.
Bill

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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hi! Re: Trades
Date: 24 Oct 1997 08:58:54 -0700

R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> Hi Nancy!
>
> Hey, just opened the package. Great ec's! Thanks!
>
> By the way, you sent back the 1/10 ec'c, the little guy,
> didn't you like him? It's a Masonic you know; I thougt
> you'd want him.
>
> -Bob

Glad you liked them! I enjoyed getting them. As for the 'little
guy', we loved him, but there were just too many others that John
wanted (I did manage to get in a couple for me), and so he just lost
out in the draw. Thanks for offering him, and perhaps we can get
him in a future trade.

Nancy

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hi! Re: Trades
Date: 24 Oct 1997 12:47:45 -0400 (EDT)

To all;

My apology for sending the preceding private e-mail to the list in error. %-(

-Bob' evil twin.

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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hi! Re: Trades
Date: 24 Oct 1997 10:18:24 -0700

R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> To all;
>
> My apology for sending the preceding private e-mail to the list in
> error. %-(
>
> -Bob' evil twin.

Looks like I have an evil twin too!!! My apology to all also. I'm
going to have to start paying more attention to the address line.

Nancy

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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Tahoe, Reno, Carson City, Virginia City ECs?
Date: 24 Oct 1997 15:01:10 -0400 (EDT)

I'm taking a road trip up to N. Lake Tahoe, Reno, Carson City and Virginia
City next month. Does anyone know of any ECs along that route? I've already
gleaned info from The Penny Page and Bert's page, but there isn't much info
on that area...yet.

Thanks
Mickey

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Fw: Newspaper Article-Circulated
Date: 24 Oct 1997 13:26:28 -0700 (PDT)

Kathy,

Was this article the San Diego Union article or a 'new' EC
article? If new, do you know if/where the text is available online?

Peace,

Aahz
(logging in from the Palmdale Public Library :)

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hi! Re: Trades
Date: 24 Oct 1997 13:28:25 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> By the way, you sent back the 1/10 ec'c, the little guy,

Okay, I know this was supposed to be private, and I've seen the
apologies, but since the info's out here...

What is this 1/10 ec?!?

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Oct 1997 13:38:03 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Douglas J. Brennecke wrote:

> Greetings to all. Like Bill Rowland, I am also new to this group. My name
> is Doug Brennecke, and I, too, saw the newspaper article about Bert

Welcome to the list, Doug!

> would like to understand the accepted practices so that I can participate
> most efficiently. If there are some ground rules for the types of coins to
> be used to be considered trading quality, and how I would go about finding
> them, please let me know. My collecting efforts for my children were
> limited to finding the shiniest coin in my pocket to be used!

Well, there aren't really any 'rules', but I suppose you could
say there are some 'preferred practices ;)

In 1982 the mint changed the metal content in pennies from
primarily copper to copper coated zinc. When you elongate one of these
coins you will often see silver traces in it. This is the zinc showing
through. Most people find this very unnatractive.

So, 1982 and later pennies are referred to as 'zincs' or
'zincies' and are generally seen as bad.

1981 and earlier pennies are reffered to as coppers (no relation
to Ben or Bill ;) and are generally good.

As for finding coppers, I find many in pocket change, but a more
realiable source is your local coin shop. you can usually get rolls of
coppers from them for around $1. Go in and talk to them, I'm sure
they'll work out something for you. I always keep my eyes open for bulk
purchases of wheaties (wheat back pennies) as well at auctions, shows and
shops). Remember that you don't want to spend more then 2 or 3 cnts per
copper or wheatie, though.

> If you have a brief glossary of terms commonly used in these conversations,
> please share it with me. For example, what's a "roller"? Is it a person,
> or a type of machine? Aren't we neophytes a lot of fun?

One of my current projects is to work up a glossary of sorts.
The term roller typically refers to a person who rolls coins on a rolling
machine. Of course, this is not EXACT, but it is preferred. Similar is
that when I say 'typewriter' most people think of the machine whereas
originally that term referred to the person who operated a typewritig
machine. (I hope that all makes sense).

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Tahoe, Reno, Carson City, Virginia City ECs?
Date: 24 Oct 1997 13:39:24 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 ENTROPYM@aol.com wrote:

> I'm taking a road trip up to N. Lake Tahoe, Reno, Carson City and Virginia
> City next month. Does anyone know of any ECs along that route? I've already
> gleaned info from The Penny Page and Bert's page, but there isn't much info
> on that area...yet.

Never made it up there, but be sure to check out the casinos!
Many Vegas casinos have machines, so I would expct their Renoe/Tahoe
counterparts to have them as well!

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) WDW Catalogging qustions:
Date: 24 Oct 1997 13:49:22 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Work has begun on the WDW catalogging. Since I'm currently
working on it by streetlight at night it's going slow, but is
proceeding. I already have sevral questions. So...

1) There are multiple reports of the Pumbaa & imon eating worms
coin that have their names and several reports without their names. Do
both types exist?

2) Same situation for the entire MGM Studios Aladdin set
(Aladdin, Genie, Jasmine)

3) There are conflicting reports on Kenny's lists of a coin
design on the Hunchback MGM set. Early reports include the third die
containing a group shot of Quasi, Esmeralda and Phoebus. Later reports
have the third die being the Gargoyles. Anyone have a sample of the
first one?

4) There is a coin in the pirates Bazaar that depicts "captian
bones pirate" over the words Magic Kingdom. Does anyone know if this
pirate has a name?

That's it for now, though more questions will be coming later.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Fw: Newspaper Article-Circulated
Date: 24 Oct 1997 15:35:28 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:

> Kathy,
>
> Was this article the San Diego Union article or a 'new' EC
>
> article? If new, do you know if/where the text is available
> online?
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
> (logging in from the Palmdale Public Library :)

Hey, Chris,

You're only about an hour from us!!! If I'd known you were in the
area, I could have at least offered you dinner and some
electricity. I'm afraid my spare bedroom is occupied, since our
daughter moved back in, but we could have done something. If you
are still in the area, give us a call. (805) 822-0402

Nancy

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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Oct 1997 19:05:17 -0400

Bill Rowland wrote:
>
> I think that the memory just becomes more selective.
> Bill

Ah! So that's it. I though it was a mandatory lobotomy.

Ben

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Glossary words
Date: 24 Oct 1997 16:38:24 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

The question of a glossary of sorts has come up and I mentioned
that I am working on one. What I need to know from all of you is what
words do you think should be in it? I've been using this terminology for
sometime so am having difficulty coming up with what terms may be
confusing to newcomers. Please respond OFF-LIST with what words you had
(or still have) difficulty with or what terms you think should be included.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Location Update
Date: 24 Oct 1997 19:53:54 -0700

Greetings All,

Since I am unable to get updates on my web site, I am going to post
Location Updates as I get them. Hope to have a new web site set up soon...

bc
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Solvang machines: One located in Friedreichs Square ( Not sure if that is
exactly correct name), near the store that sells Soooouthwest items,
however when we were there the machine was broken, on the way to being
repaired. But the saleswoman had one penny left that the machine guy gave
her for desperate penny people. The other machine was by Santa Barbara
Ceramics.

Both machines were working at the Madonna Inn.

Morro Bay has machine.

Thanks for this site, it guided us to the spots along our way.
~JBL

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Lake Tahoe Location
Date: 24 Oct 1997 20:47:15 -0700

OK, you asked for it, so here it is...

Friends in Del Mar (north of San Diego) just found a machine at the
Ponderosa Ranch (North Lake Tahoe).

The Ranch was where the TV show was produced, and now it is a Western
Theme Park...

The URL for is http://www.ponderosaranch.com/

I'm sure lots of list/ners would love to trade for these...

Bert

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From: "..." <...>
Subject: (elongates) Six Flags Over Texas Update
Date: 24 Oct 1997 22:09:13 -0500

Here's the current list of those wanting a Six Flags Over Texas set:
1. Gina
2. Bob Perry (2)
3. Davelle
4. Mickey
5. Janelle Henry
6. John & Nancy Wooten
7. Carl
8. Bob Huff
9. Chris Aahz
10. Bert Creighton
11. Al
12. Trey
13. Jim Thorpe
14. Sandy
15. Jeff Dixon
I apologize if I have forgotten anyone. Please e-mail me privately if you
want to be added to the list (or if I have forgotten you).

I am not sure how many coins are available. I am still trying to find out,
but I do know that most are Warner Bros. (Looney Tunes) designs and are
from Eurolink machines.

I will be contacting everyone privately this weekend to make arrangements.

...
...

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Oct 1997 21:12:13 -0700

On 10/23/97 10:07 PM Douglas J. Brennecke (102421.3206@compuserve.com )
wrote

>Greetings to all. Like Bill Rowland, I am also new to this group. My name
>is Doug Brennecke, and I, too, saw the newspaper article about Bert
>Creighton.

Hi Doug, it is great to meet you online and have you join the mailing
list. I know you will learn a lot from everyone on the list, and have
some fun... This is a GREAT group of people here. We had a Disneyland
meeting in Sept and got to meet some of the West Coast (left coast)
list members -- what a nice group of people!!!

>I have been reading the messages for about the last week and I
>have been learning a lot! I live in Encinitas, CA, just a few miles south
>of Bill. I have been a casual collector for a number of years, picking up
>inexpensive souvenirs for my children when we would go to amusement parks
>and tourist areas.

I live in the Eastlake area... We San Diego county folks should get
together sometime... (Hmmm, this is how the Disneyland meeting started,
me saying lets get together). We (the entire list) should see if we can
plan some holiday meetings around the country...
>
>I would be happy to develop some local coins for trade with others, but I
>would like to understand the accepted practices so that I can participate
>most efficiently. If there are some ground rules for the types of coins to
>be used to be considered trading quality, and how I would go about finding
>them, please let me know. My collecting efforts for my children were
>limited to finding the shiniest coin in my pocket to be used!

I think Chris covered the main topic hear, not using 1982 or later Zinc
pennies... Early on (using ...'s Bulletin Board on her web site)
we had a discussion about the proper name for these coins... Pete (who
runs the Squished Penny Musuem in DC) said it best... The fun of this
hobby is that there are no rules... Unlike regular coin collecting (or
other hobbies) we all do this for the fun of it! We try to keep it
simple, and we try to keep inflated pricing out of our hobby. Yes, some
of us have paid some real (lots of) money for a few of our coins, but we
all are learning to work together to get the coins we want and NOT spend
lots of money doing it... Ask (via email to the list) any questions you
may have about the "value" of coins, ie. what is reasonable to spend on
them...

Trading is a great way to get coins... Get some San Diego or Southern CA
coins (using pre-82's) and then post a description of them to the list
and ask for anyone interested in trading to email you directly... I have
gotten some amazing coins thru trades... You'll soon learn where we all
live (all over the US and a few members outside the US)... and you can
start to set up trades for coins from many locations...

There are some discussions we have had on the list which you can see by
reading the archives of this list. Or, you can ask the questions here,
and we can resend the info. Some of the info has been archived at Kathy
...'s FAQ site (see my web page for her URL) tho Kathy is having a
little trouble with her ISP these days (same with me...). Previous
threads have included polishing coins, displaying coins in 2x2 elongated
coin holders, etc.
>
>If you have a brief glossary of terms commonly used in these conversations,
>please share it with me. For example, what's a "roller"? Is it a person,
>or a type of machine? Aren't we neophytes a lot of fun?

Yes, the new members are fun! We will no doubt learn new locations from,
as you boldly go where no list member (list/ner) has gone before!
>
>As I learn more, and have some information to share, I'll try to contribute
>to the collective knowledge of the group with machine sites, descriptions,
>etc.
>
>Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me.
Don't hesitate to ask questions, or even through out ideas... If you know
anyone in Tokyo, we all are looking for a way to get some Disneyland
Tokyo coins soon... We are also looking for Euro-EC's, EC's from Mexico
and New Zealand and many other locations...
>
Sooo, again, welcome, and jump right...! And be sure to join TEC... You
get 4 newsletters (which come with EC's attached) and some great
articles, as well as the info on where to buy bags of coins and the 2x2
holders...

Talk to you soon!

Bert
Location Keeper
TEC #2095

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Join TEC
Date: 24 Oct 1997 21:26:39 -0700

Greetings All,

As many of you know, Howard Sharkey was out TEC (The Elongated
Collectors) Secretary. Howard how a battle with cancer and pass away in
September.

The new TEC Secretary is:

Adele Vogel
TEC Secretary
3415 Fiebrantz Drive
Brookfield, WI 53005-3301

The TEC Sec. is a volunteer position, no pay or rewards are given to
Adele. She is doing her very best right now, picking up the work. She did
not get any computer files from Howard's family, so she is manually
building the entire TEC list from paper files.

If you sent in your $10 recently, you may have a little wait for your
first newsletter issue... Please hang in there, Adele is working as
quickly as possible on this...

If you are about to join TEC, please print the application out (URL is
below) and mail it to Adele at her WI address, do not send it to Howard's
family... They have received many applications, and they have to turn
around and send them to Adele... Please print clearly and put your phone
number on the application -- this is only so Adele can talk to you about
any spellings, etc -- your number will NOT be published.

I highly recommend joining TEC! You will get the newsletters that are
full of great info! Many EC collectors are not on the internet and so the
best way to learn from them is to read the articles they write for the
TEC Newsletter. Ray Dillard is one of the most active "rollers" (meaning
he rolls ECs at events all over the country) and he's very active in TEC.
Ray can sell you the card board 2x2's (2 inch by 2 inch) holders with the
elongated shape cut out in the middle. These fit inside clear plastic
sheets which you can get at coin shops (I use 35MM sheets from Fry's
Electronics in San Diego) and then put the sheets into binders...

If you have any questions about TEC, just ask a member, we'll be happy to
tell you more! Oh, dues are only $10 per year, due in January, but go
ahead and send Adele your applications now... That way you will have your
name on the list as the next newsletter comes out...

Bert
TEC #2095
URL For TEC Application:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/tec_sub.html
(And remember to send it to Adele at her address above! Thanks!!!)

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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: (elongates) Who do I owe?
Date: 25 Oct 1997 10:52:36 -0400

Hi All...

I've been really busy lately and haven't paid proper attention to the
list.

I know I owe Flats some coins. Anyone else?

Gina, are you still interested in Miami Seaquarium errors?

Anyone know of any new Northeast locations?

Anyone recruiting cops? (A little off-topic I admit...)

Take care all...

Ben

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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) elongates trades
Date: 25 Oct 1997 11:20:54 -0400 (EDT)

Hi fellow collectors--
I am interested in collecting elongated pennies from the various Movieland
Wax Museums across the country-- -I can trade Anaheim Movieland Wax Museum
for other locations.If anyone is interested please contact me.
Thank you Al

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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Ripley's believe it or not (elongate trades)
Date: 25 Oct 1997 11:21:45 -0400 (EDT)

I am interested in collecting Ripley's believe it or not elongates from
various locations across the coutry-- --I can trade Ripley's Buena Park,
Calif. for other locations --please contact me if you are interested. Thank
You Al

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Catalogging qustions:
Date: 25 Oct 1997 11:47:53 -0400 (EDT)

Hi Aahz!

I have a "mostly complete" set of WDW from about a year ago. It's in a mess
and locked up off-site. However, I will be able to get to it in the next few
days. Please e-mail me with the remaining questions next week when I've
unburried them. With my ec's in hand, I'll do my best to relate the details

Happy Collecting.

-Bob

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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Cancell my request for Ripley and Wax Museum trades
Date: 25 Oct 1997 12:15:54 -0400 (EDT)

After I reviewed my collection I changed my interest in trading these
elongates -- --they all look too much alike to be of interest to me for
collecting.
Sorry Folks Al

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From: kjcottrell@juno.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Catalogging qustions:
Date: 25 Oct 1997 12:17:35 -0400

On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
writes:
>Greetings & Salutations!
>
> Work has begun on the WDW catalogging. Since I'm currently
>working on it by streetlight at night it's going slow, but is
>proceeding. I already have sevral questions. So...
>
> 1) There are multiple reports of the Pumbaa & imon eating
>worms coin that have their names and several reports without their
names.
>Do both types exist?

The Magic Kingdom penny does *not* have the names of Pumbaa and Timon on
it, the Studios penny *does*, and the resort penny also has the names on
it.

Three pennies:
MK without names (and with MK banner at bottom)
ST with names (with ST logo at bottom)
Resort with names (and no other markings)

>
> 2) Same situation for the entire MGM Studios Aladdin set
>(Aladdin, Genie, Jasmine)

Nope....the ST pennies have the names on them.....the initial lists when
they first appeared...I didn't have all the details, other than that they
were there. From looking at my paper copies of the electronic lists I
sent you, I can tell, that because I didn't have such things as the V/H
facing of the penny, that I didn't have all the details.

> 3) There are conflicting reports on Kenny's lists of a coin
>design on the Hunchback MGM set. Early reports include the third die
>containing a group shot of Quasi, Esmeralda and Phoebus. Later
>reports have the third die being the Gargoyles. Anyone have a sample
of the
>first one?

I don't. :(

>
> 4) There is a coin in the pirates Bazaar that depicts "captian
>bones pirate" over the words Magic Kingdom. Does anyone know if this
>pirate has a name?

Walt Disney World just calls it Pirate Skeleton

>
> That's it for now, though more questions will be coming later.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

Kenny Cottrell

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Who do I owe?
Date: 25 Oct 1997 12:31:27 -0700

On 10/25/97 7:52 AM BLMC (mcsquare@erols.com ) wrote

>Gina, are you still interested in Miami Seaquarium errors?
>
>Anyone know of any new Northeast locations?
>
>Anyone recruiting cops? (A little off-topic I admit...)
>
>Take care all...
>
>Ben

Ben,

Do you have any descriptions of the Miami coins I could add to the
Smashed Coin Locator? Locations would also be very appreciated!

How far away from the Northeast are you interested in moving? I will look
around in Southern CA if you want to move out here...

Bill, are you recruiting right now for North County?

Bert

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From: Cwsmith217@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Hello to new friends.
Date: 25 Oct 1997 17:29:36 -0400 (EDT)

Greetings,=20

I was just blown away when I ran across ...=92s Penny Page. I =
had no
ideal there were so many other crazy penny smashers out there. I=92ve be=
en on
the mailing list about a week now and I=92m so excited to check my mail n=
ow
days.

Want you all to know that I=92m new to the ec Web community, however, I=92=
m not
new to the ec business. I=92ve been rolling and collecting ec=92s since =
1979. I
saw my first hand crank machine at a ski resort in Gatlinbrug, TN and bou=
ght
one on the spot. I knew I could make some money with it in the number on=
e
tourist capital of the world, Orlando, FL. I was disappointed I wasn=92=
t able
to get into any of the large tourist attractions, so =93cranked pennies=94=
at the
local fairs and fea markets for a couple of years.

To make a long story short, I designed a coin-op machine in 1986 and I g=
ot
it into Church Street Station. I still have my hand cranker plus three
coin-op=92s and five more in the works. You might also like to know I ha=
ve
over 350 ec=92s in my collection, many of them from the late great engrav=
er
Frank Brazzell. I=92d be glad to do some trading.

Keep up the good work and let me know if I can be of any help.

Cliff

P.S. I have a Web Page in the works, I=92ll let you know where soon!

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From: John & Nancy Wooten <nwooten@lightspeed.net>
Subject: (elongates) Off Subject - Time Change
Date: 25 Oct 1997 15:19:37 -0700

Hi, All,

Just thought a reminder might be in order for all to remember to set
their clocks back tonight after they log off and get ready to put
the computer (as well as themselves) to bed. Wouldn't want you to
miss that extra hour of sleep!!!

Nancy

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Six Flags Over Texas Update
Date: 25 Oct 1997 16:04:18 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, ... wrote:

> I am not sure how many coins are available. I am still trying to find out,
> but I do know that most are Warner Bros. (Looney Tunes) designs and are
> from Eurolink machines.

I just received a response from the VP of merchandising at Sif
Flags Texas, and he confirmed that all of their machines are Eurolink and
that the majority (if not all) would be removed should the changeover
happen. For those of you wondering about the 'should', there's a lawsuit
going on, but its odds of success are extremely slim. 99.5% chance he
change will happen.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: (elongates) Resort Pennies Help!
Date: 25 Oct 1997 17:31:40 -0600 (MDT)

I am working on a complete catalog of elongated coins (pressed
pennies) issued at WDW and need a little help from all you dedicated
visitors...

If you have stayed at any of the resorts in the last three years
and collected any pressed pennies from the resorts, could you possibly
send a brief description of the coin, the resort you found it at and the
month/year of your visit.

I am aware of (and have copies of) Kenny Cottrell's lists at
WDWIG, I'm looking to fill in a few small gaps and track down the dates a
little better.

Responses via e-mail <vmphntr@xmission.com> or <aahz@svpal.org>
would be greatly appreciated!

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) EPCOT coins
Date: 25 Oct 1997 16:43:36 -0700 (PDT)

Okay, gang here's a list of the EPCOT coins I know of so far.
Does anyonehave any in their collections that vary from these
descriptions? Or any coins that say Epcot, or you personally collected at
Epcot, that are not listed?

v. Spaceship Earth, "Epcot" (2 minor variations)
h. Spaceship Earth, "Epcot"
v. FL Figment, "Epcot"
v. HS Figment, "Figment/Epcot"
v. FL Tourist Mickey "Epcot"
v. FL Mickey w/ passport "Epcot"
h. FL Minnie w/ flag "Epcot"
v. FL Minnie w/ balloon "Epcot"
v. FL Patriotic Mickey "The American Adventure in the World Showcase/Epcot"
(anyone have the correct word splits on this coin?)
h. FL Baseball Mickey, "USA/Epcot"
v. FL Statue of Liberty Minnie "Epcot"
h. FL Running Tourist Mickey "Epcot"
v. ?? Uncle Sam Mickey "Epcot"
h. ?? Mickey w/ flag "Epcot"

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 25 Oct 1997 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT)

First, thanx to those of you have provided some answers to the
previous questions! If anyone else has further or different info on
those, please let me know...

For those waiting patiently for this catalog to near fruition all
I can say is 'don't hold your breath'. To give some idea of the scop
involved in this effort: DL has had just over 100 coins issued. The WDW
Resorts (not counting ANY park issues) have nearly 100 issues that I know
of already. So, on with more questions...

I got one report of a quad machine in 'Typhoon Lagoon'. No
descriptions give, but all four designs reportedly had the words 'Typhoon
Lagoon' on them. Anyone have these?

I know there has been at least one coin issued at Blizzard Beach,
but I can't find my record of it. Can someone provide a description?

Also, are Typhoon Lagoon and Blizzard Beach parts of one of the
pther parks or are they essentially parks of their own?

The Bass Player from the Country Bear Jamboree - is his name Zeke
or Gomer?

Kenny lists some of the Epcot issues as having an image of
"Spaceship Earth", Jim Thorpe lists an Epcot coin as having a Geodesic
dome. Are these the same thing?

That's it for today as the library's closing. Hopefully, I'll be
able to check in agaion on Monday!

Peace,

Aahz

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 25 Oct 1997 21:41:22 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-25 19:54:57 EDT, you write:

> The Bass Player from the Country Bear Jamboree - is his name Zeke
> or Gomer?
>

Thought it was AL.

-Bob

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 25 Oct 1997 21:41:40 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-25 19:54:57 EDT, you write:

> Also, are Typhoon Lagoon and Blizzard Beach parts of one of the
> pther parks or are they essentially parks of their own?
>
IMHO, separate parts of WDW, i.e. "Attractions", that stand on their own,
require separate tickets etc.

-Bob Hoff

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hi! Re: Trades
Date: 25 Oct 1997 21:41:41 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-25 19:14:57 EDT, you write:

> > By the way, you sent back the 1/10 ec'c, the little guy,
>
> Okay, I know this was supposed to be private, and I've seen the
> apologies, but since the info's out here...
>
> What is this 1/10 ec?!?
>

A Masonic symbol on a "Lincoln cent" about 1/4" by 3/8". Looks real, just
super small. Smallest ec I've ever seen. I tried to trade it off as a full
size,
*BUT* I fully discribed it in my trade list. :-)

-Bob

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 25 Oct 1997 21:43:15 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-25 19:54:57 EDT, you write:

>
> Kenny lists some of the Epcot issues as having an image of
> "Spaceship Earth", Jim Thorpe lists an Epcot coin as having a Geodesic
> dome. Are these the same thing?
>
Think it's the same "golf ball" :-)

-Bob

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From: kjcottrell@juno.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 25 Oct 1997 21:40:41 -0400

On Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
writes:
>
> First, thanx to those of you have provided some answers to the
>previous questions! If anyone else has further or different info on
>those, please let me know...
>
> For those waiting patiently for this catalog to near fruition
>all I can say is 'don't hold your breath'. To give some idea of the
scop
>involved in this effort: DL has had just over 100 coins issued. The
>WDW Resorts (not counting ANY park issues) have nearly 100 issues that I

>know of already. So, on with more questions...
>
> I got one report of a quad machine in 'Typhoon Lagoon'. No
>descriptions give, but all four designs reportedly had the words
>'Typhoon Lagoon' on them. Anyone have these?

Not a quad...but a triplet.

A - is a duplicate of FL Mickey Mouse in shades standing next to a surf
board
B- is a h. Logo of Typhoon Lagoon
C - is a duplicate of FL Swimming Goofy with a tube

A & C are duplicate pennies found at Resorts.

> I know there has been at least one coin issued at Blizzard
>Beach, but I can't find my record of it. Can someone provide a
description?

h. Ice Gator (the Blizzard Beach mascot) "Disney's Blizzard Beach" FL Ice
Gator on skis with a tube.

> Also, are Typhoon Lagoon and Blizzard Beach parts of one of
>the other parks or are they essentially parks of their own?

Blizzard Beach, Typhoon Lagoon, River Country, Pleasure Island, and
Discovery Island are all *minor* parks at Walt Disney World. They do take
a seperate admission to get into them.

River Country has a machine, it is a single machine and is a duplicate of
the same Goofy with a tube as listed above. (This coin is also at Dixie
Landings at least).

Walt Disney World is bad about having duplicates available....though,
when I am done updating my website...I will include a page of designs
that are *missing*.

Pleasure Island has a machine with three options:

v. HS Mickey Mouse (a duplicate)
h. Pleasure Island Logo
v. HS Goofy (a duplicate)

> The Bass Player from the Country Bear Jamboree - is his name
>Zeke or Gomer?
>
> Kenny lists some of the Epcot issues as having an image of
>"Spaceship Earth", Jim Thorpe lists an Epcot coin as having a Geodesic
>dome. Are these the same thing?

Yep....the name of the geodsesic dome that is the *feature* of Epcot is
Spaceship Earth. Spaceship Earth is the same to Epcot that Cinderella
Castle is to the Magic Kingdom and Sleeping Beauty Castle is to
Disneyland.

> That's it for today as the library's closing. Hopefully, I'll
>be able to check in again on Monday!

Kenny Cottrell

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From: kjcottrell@juno.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) EPCOT coins
Date: 25 Oct 1997 21:00:13 -0400

On Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
writes:
>
> Okay, gang here's a list of the EPCOT coins I know of so far.
>
>Does anyonehave any in their collections that vary from these
>descriptions? Or any coins that say Epcot, or you personally
>collected at Epcot, that are not listed?
>
>v. Spaceship Earth, "Epcot" (2 minor variations)
>h. Spaceship Earth, "Epcot"
>v. FL Figment, "Epcot"
>v. HS Figment, "Figment/Epcot"
>v. FL Tourist Mickey "Epcot"
>v. FL Mickey w/ passport "Epcot"
>h. FL Minnie w/ flag "Epcot"
>v. FL Minnie w/ balloon "Epcot"
>v. FL Patriotic Mickey "The American Adventure in the World
>Showcase/Epcot"
> (anyone have the correct word splits on this coin?)

"American Adventure" above Mickey, "World Showcase" below Mickey and
"Epcot" at the bottom of the coin

>h. FL Baseball Mickey, "USA/Epcot"
>v. FL Statue of Liberty Minnie "Epcot"
>h. FL Running Tourist Mickey "Epcot"
>v. ?? Uncle Sam Mickey "Epcot"

v. FL Uncle Sam Mickey "World Showcase" "Epcot" (World Showcase is above
Mickey and Epcot is at the bottom of the coin

>h. ?? Mickey w/ flag "Epcot"

h FL Mickey w/flags and Spaceship Earth "Epcot" (btw the one I have has
the *new* Epcot logo...the first penny to have the new logo instead of
the old logo - does anyone have this penny with the old logo on it?)

Kenny Cottrell

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From: kjcottrell@juno.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 25 Oct 1997 21:49:44 -0400

On Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:41:22 -0400 (EDT) R0BERTH0FF@aol.com writes:
>In a message dated 97-10-25 19:54:57 EDT, you write:
>
>> The Bass Player from the Country Bear Jamboree - is his name
>Zeke or Gomer?
>>
>
>Thought it was AL.

Two coins here at the CBJ.

v. FS Zeke (Disney describes it as Zeke) playing an instrument....I
called it a bass, Disney calls it a banjo....well....it has a long handle
like a bass, and stands on the ground like a bass, but the instrument
part is small like a banjo....oops. "Country Bear Jamboree" is a part of
the border. "Magic Kingdom"

v FS Big Al playing a guitar. "Coutnry Bear Jamboree" is a part of the
border (rest of border are dots) "Magic Kingdom"

Kenny Cottrell

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) trades
Date: 25 Oct 1997 21:00:36 -0500

I plan on getting on this thing tomorrow and let everyone know where
they and I stand on trades (as far as I know). I will try to do this
off the list. I am a little behind but will keep at it until caught up.
I promise.

Flats

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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: (elongates) trades
Date: 25 Oct 1997 22:31:30 -0500

I think I have caught up on trades. If I didn't email you and I owe
you, please let me know. Also, if you owe me, I would like to know
about that as well. Gee, it must be 30 degrees outside as I write this
from the tundra. A regular heat wave.

Flats

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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Squished Penny Museum
Date: 25 Oct 1997 23:35:44 -0400 (EDT)

I wrote a letter to the squished penny museum in Washington,D.C.-- --- --I did
not receive a reply to my letter-- -is this museum still open??Has anyone
visited this museum ?
Thank you Al

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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Coin shows--
Date: 25 Oct 1997 23:41:08 -0400 (EDT)

I want to say thank you to the person that alerted me to the coin show that
was held in Long Beach ,Calif. ;six or so weeks ago. This show was great!!!
I would appreciate
it if someone that knows about other upcomming coin shows in southern calif.
would post the dates for the readers of this list.
Thank you Al

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Squished Penny Museum
Date: 25 Oct 1997 21:03:33 -0700

On 10/25/97 8:35 PM AlinCal2@aol.com (AlinCal2@aol.com ) wrote

>I wrote a letter to the squished penny museum in Washington,D.C.-- --- --I did
>not receive a reply to my letter-- -is this museum still open??Has anyone
>visited this museum ?
> Thank you Al

The SPM moved... You may have sent the letter to the old address. Try
writing an email to Pete at PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com

Bert

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Coin shows--
Date: 26 Oct 1997 00:53:49 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-10-25 23:45:28 EDT, you write:

> I want to say thank you to the person that alerted me to the coin show that
> was held in Long Beach ,Calif. ;six or so weeks ago. This show was
great!!!
> I would appreciate
> it if someone that knows about other upcomming coin shows in southern
calif.
> would post the dates for the readers of this list.
> Thank you Al
>
Hi Al!

Oct. 26, Van Nuys. 14750 Sherman Way, Free. 35 Tables 1 310 821 7000 for
info.
Oct 26 Glendale. 735 E. Lexington Dr. Free. 30 Tables 1 760 721 1810 for
info.
Nov. 1-2 Pasadena. 300 E. Green St. 60 Tables 1 818 432 6660 for info.
Nov. 1-2 Buena Park,8550 Stanton Ave, Cost $1. 65 Tables 1 714 639 6202 for
info.
Nov 1-2 San Diego, 1936 Quivira Way Across from Sea World. Free 28 Tables 1
760 721-1810 for info.

This is just some of the shows, other list members may have more.

-Bob Hoff

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Disneyland ec, Ron Dominguez
Date: 26 Oct 1997 00:54:07 -0400 (EDT)

Hi All!

A quick question. In my search for a "complete set" of Disneyland ec's, I
have come across the Ron Dominguez ec but only in zinc. Were there any
copper cents pressed for this ec in '94?

Thanks,
-Bob

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello to new friends.
Date: 25 Oct 1997 22:02:19 -0700

On 10/25/97 2:29 PM Cwsmith217@aol.com (Cwsmith217@aol.com ) wrote

>Greetings,
>
> I was just blown away when I ran across ...=EDs Penny Page. I =
had no
>ideal there were so many other crazy penny smashers out there. I=EDve =
been on
>the mailing list about a week now and I=EDm so excited to check my mail =
now
>days.

Kathy's Penny Page is a legend on the EC Web! Alan Daly told me about =
here site and it was a MAJOR boost to my collecting knowledge (Thanks =
Kathy)!

Welcome to the list Cliff! I am very excited to have you (our first =
roller) join us! We'd all love to hear about your rolling adventures, =
about the process of engraving, etc!

> Want you all to know that I=EDm new to the ec Web community, however, =
I=EDm not
>new to the ec business. I=EDve been rolling and collecting ec=EDs since =
1979. I
>saw my first hand crank machine at a ski resort in Gatlinbrug, TN and =
bought
>one on the spot. I knew I could make some money with it in the number one
> tourist capital of the world, Orlando, FL. I was disappointed I =
wasn=EDt able
>to get into any of the large tourist attractions, so =ECcranked =
pennies=EE at the
>local fairs and fea markets for a couple of years.

Several of us are on the lookout for a machine. There are some =
available for $2500 and up, but that is out of our range. Do you have =
any advice on something less expensive? We are looking for lots of =
info on WDW coins, in case you have any locations/descriptions...

Can you send us locations of your machines and descriptions of their =
coins? There's probably a lot list members that would like to collect =
your coins, if you would like to set up some trades... I will start =
off by offering San Diego EC's in trade for your designs or any FB's =
you may want to trade...

> To make a long story short, I designed a coin-op machine in 1986 and I =
got
>it into Church Street Station. I still have my hand cranker plus three
>coin-op=EDs and five more in the works. You might also like to know I =
have
>over 350 ec=EDs in my collection, many of them from the late great =
engraver
>Frank Brazzell. I=EDd be glad to do some trading.

I'd love to include any photos (GIF or JPG) of your machines and/or =
coins on my web site. You can see the Smashed Coin Locator at:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.h=
tml

I'd like to get some info about you on my Engraver's page as well, if =
that is of interest to you... Please pass on your new URL once you =
have your web site up and running and I will include a link from my =
web site... Feel free to include a link to the Smashed Coin Locator...

Thanks for joining the list. We all look forward to talking/trading =
with you soon...

Bert Creighton
EC Location Keeper

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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Tahoe, Reno, Carson City, Virginia City ECs?
Date: 26 Oct 1997 01:10:05 -0400 (EDT)

I'm planning a big road trip with my 3 year-old, so casinos may be out.
However, if Jeff can bribe a janitor at a museum, I can certainly walk
through a casino!
Elongates or bust!

In a message dated 10/25/97 9:08:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> Never made it up there, but be sure to check out the casinos!
> Many Vegas casinos have machines, so I would expct their Renoe/Tahoe
> counterparts to have them as well!
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>

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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) N. California Coin shows
Date: 26 Oct 1997 01:25:33 -0400 (EDT)

For everyone's information:
Upcoming Northern California coin shows.
October 25, 26 Fresno, Las Palmas Masonic Temple
November 2nd, Santa Cruz, Elk's Club
November 9th, Palo Alto Elk's lodge
(weekend off)
November 21,22,23 - Santa Clara Convention Center
November 30 - Concord Veteran's Memorial Building.

If anyone wants more info, just email me and I'll send you a brocure.

Mickey
TEC 2115

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From: MFrisch328@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) EPCOT coins
Date: 26 Oct 1997 10:33:24 -0500 (EST)

Aahz --

In a message dated 97-10-25 19:47:27 EDT, you write:

<< v. FL Patriotic Mickey "The American Adventure in the World
Showcase/Epcot"
(anyone have the correct word splits on this coin?) >>

"The American Adventure" is above Mickey and the rest is below. (Also has
the Epcot symbol before the word Epcot.)

Hopes this helps!

Davelle

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From: MFrisch328@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 26 Oct 1997 10:42:19 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-10-25 21:43:35 EDT, you write:

<<
In a message dated 97-10-25 19:54:57 EDT, you write:

> The Bass Player from the Country Bear Jamboree - is his name Zeke
> or Gomer?
>

Thought it was AL.

-Bob >>

I think that you are right -- We always called him "Big AL"

Davelle

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From: MFrisch328@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 26 Oct 1997 10:42:41 -0500 (EST)

Aahz --

In a message dated 97-10-25 19:54:57 EDT, you write:

<< I know there has been at least one coin issued at Blizzard Beach,
but I can't find my record of it. Can someone provide a description?

It is a vertical coin with "Blizzard Beach" written at the top and an Ice
Gator below it. Disney is written VERY small under the Ice Gator.

Also, are Typhoon Lagoon and Blizzard Beach parts of one of the
pther parks or are they essentially parks of their own? >>

These are parks of their own (along with River Country).

Hope this helps!
Davelle

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From: Melinda Couden <mcouden@netusa1.net>
Subject: (elongates) Indianapolis Zoo coins
Date: 26 Oct 1997 15:15:16 -0500

Yesterday I collected a set of 4 coins from the Indianapolis Zoo. I =
would gladly describe them to anyone who might be interested in posting =
them to a location list. Didn't know who to direct this information to.

Melinda Couden

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Maine Location
Date: 26 Oct 1997 15:04:15 -0800

Greetings All,

Here's a partial report for a penny machine in Maine. A friend (in
Boston) sent me a Rockport, Maine penny. It is a harbor scene, and at the
top it says "Motif No. 1." The bottom says "Rockport, MA."

This penny is a zinc, with a lot of zinc showing, so if anyone finds this
machine, please smash me a pre-82 (or 3).

If anyone finds the machine, please ask the owner of the establishment
(what ever kind of business it is) if they know of other Maine machines,
and if they have a phone number for the machine's company, so we can try
to call and get more info...

(For the newer list members, many of the companies that own these
machines and place them out in tourist locations DON'T return our phone
calls, emails or snail mails about their locations, etc. There's a great
deal of competition for the lucrative locations, and so they don't want
to give up their good spots.)

I have asked my friend to get us more location info, so you all (in the
Northeast) can find this machine... She's a Dr. and will be at the
hospital for the 30 hours, so it may be a day of 2 before we hear back...

Bert

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From: MRSRS@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) Hello / New (Newer) Machines ?
Date: 26 Oct 1997 20:53:20 -0500 (EST)

I am a new member, and I am also a friend of Bill Rowland ( from Carlsbad,
San Diego CA.) I collect smashed coins from places I have visited with my
family. I first heard about the EC pages on the WWW, while I was having
lunch with a friend. While on the WWW, I found your list and joined.
FYI
I just went to the San Diego Wild Animal Park yesterday and found that they
had new machines since I was last there (Dec of 96). They now have a "Heart
of Africa" and what looked like a "25th" anvr. machine at the front of the
new store, near the NEW entrance to the park. The "Heart of Africa" part of
the park is new, so these machines should also be kind of new. Does any one
else have any info. on this ?
Steve (mrsrs@aol.com)

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland ec, Ron Dominguez
Date: 26 Oct 1997 18:17:55 -0800 (PST)

On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> A quick question. In my search for a "complete set" of Disneyland ec's, I
> have come across the Ron Dominguez ec but only in zinc. Were there any
> copper cents pressed for this ec in '94?

The die was available in a machine at TDA during their open
house, so they certainly could have been rolled on coppers as well as zincs.

Peace,

Aahz
(logging on courtesy of John and Nancy Wooten. THANX!)

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From: jimabbot@juno.com (Jim Thorpe)
Subject: (elongates) Tokyo Disneyland & NFFC web sites (slightly off Topic)
Date: 26 Oct 1997 23:20:02 EST

Hello All,

This may be slightly off topic, If anyone feels this to be so
please accept my apology.

I visited the web site for Tokyo Disneyland:

(http://www.tokyo disneyland.co.jp/english/e_park_infor/location.html

Also NFFC the club for Disneyana enthusiasts, (www.nffc.org).

NFFC boasts Tens of Thousands of Old & New Disney Items For Sale !

I hope others might be interested in checking out future events hosted by
both places.


Hoping someone can benefit from this posting.

Sincerely Jim

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From: CWFIII@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Tokyo Disneyland & NFFC web sites (slightly off Topic)
Date: 27 Oct 1997 00:42:51 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 10/27/97 4:22:33 AM, you wrote:

<<NFFC boasts Tens of Thousands of Old & New Disney Items For Sale !>>

This really is a great organization! My wife and I have belonged for several
years now and their conventions and shows are really something to see. Our
interest had been Disney, and the EC's didn't start until last summer, where
at the show and sale there were several limited and discontinued EC's for
sale. Really worthwhile looking into.

Thanks,

Carl

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland ec, Ron Dominguez
Date: 27 Oct 1997 10:34:36 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-10-27 02:11:20 EST, you write:

>
> The die was available in a machine at TDA during their open
> house, so they certainly could have been rolled on coppers as well as
zincs.
>
>
Hi Aahz!

Gould you tell more about the TDA? Inquiring mind need to know. :-)

-Bob

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From: "..." <...>
Subject: (elongates) Route 66 Coin
Date: 26 Oct 1997 21:06:44 -0600

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I'm not sure who was asking about this coin but....
My in-laws just came back from a trip to Branson, Missouri. They =
traveled through Joplin, Missouri and picked up a Route 66 coin from the =
largest McDonalds in the USA. They were travelling on Route 66 along a =
stretch just west of Joplin which is a toll road. They said the =
McDonalds restaurant "arched" over top of the tollway. They took =
pictures and if you are interested, I'll scan the photo once they get =
them developed.

They also picked up a coin from Dick's 5&10 in downtown Branson.

Kathy
http://truewebdesign.com/PennyPage
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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Route 66 Coin
Date: 27 Oct 1997 11:33:32 -0600

... wrote:
>
> I'm not sure who was asking about this coin but....
> My in-laws just came back from a trip to Branson, Missouri. They traveled through Joplin, Missouri and picked up a Route 66 coin from the
largest McDonalds in
>
> They also picked up a coin from Dick's 5&10 in downtown Branson.
>
> Kathy
> http://truewebdesign.com/PennyPage
> ...
>
> -- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- -
> I'm not sure who was asking about this coin but....
> My in-laws just came back from a trip to Branson, Missouri. They
> traveled through Joplin, Missouri and picked up a Route 66 coin from
> the largest McDonalds in the USA. They were travelling on Route 66
> along a stretch just west of Joplin which is a toll road. They said
> the McDonalds restaurant "arched" over top of the tollway. They took
> pictures and if you are interested, I'll scan the photo once they get
> them developed.
>
> They also picked up a coin from Dick's 5&10 in downtown Branson.
>
> Kathy
> http://truewebdesign.com/PennyPage
> ...
> Sent check today for coins

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland ec, Ron Dominguez
Date: 27 Oct 1997 10:07:55 -0800 (PST)

On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> Gould you tell more about the TDA? Inquiring mind need to know. :-)
>

Um...not really...TDA id the Team Disney Administration
building. I assume it's kinda like corporate headquarters. They had an
open house (don't have the dates handy, but they're in the TDA portion of
the DL catalog). Anyway, the open house was for three days and they had
the Ron Domniguez coin available as well as the construction hat Mickey.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) LA Zoo coins
Date: 27 Oct 1997 10:13:32 -0800 (PST)

Greetings & Salutations!

I got a copy of Nancy's list of the current LA Zoo coins
yesterday and will be working up the catalog in the next coupla days. I
still need a description of the California Condor coin that was reported
here earlier. Also, does anyone else haveany older LA Zoo issues?

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Even more WDW ?s
Date: 27 Oct 1997 10:23:08 -0800 (PST)

Good morning, folx. It's time for the WDW EC questions of the day:

Does anyone have a WDW issued Sorcerer Mickey Quarter?

My Blizzard Beach question received twodifferent responses: Davelle
reported a horizontal Ice Gator while Kenny reported a vertical Ice
Gator. Can I get each of you to double check your orientation so I can
be sure thet these are different coins?

The person who reported the quad machine at Typhoon Lagoon insists it was
indeed there in the summer of '95 and that each coin said "Typhoon
Lagoon, so I'm still looking for these.

Also on the "reported but unconfirmed" lisut is the penny with Quasimodo,
Esmerelda and Poebus.

That's it for today.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Bill Rowland <browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Who do I owe?
Date: 27 Oct 1997 14:10:19 -0800

It is one of my primary functions. Bert, If you are interested in a real
big move I can put you in touch with the Peace Officer Standards and
Training unit in Sacramento to see if your training is transferable. If
not you would have to start at entry level. e mail me direct if you want
more info
Bill

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From: Bill Rowland <browl@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello / New (Newer) Machines ?
Date: 27 Oct 1997 14:31:40 -0800

Hi Steve
I was at the Wild Animal Park last week and I must have missed the Heart
fo Africa machine. There was a 25th anniversary machine at the Plant
Trader store but it was out of order. They also had the elephant coin
but the rhino was no longer there.(they may have moved it around) I will
go back sometime in November and see if I can get some more info on the
designs and locations.
Stop by when you get a chance and let me look at the Heart of Africa
design.

Thanks,
Bill

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From: MFrisch328@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Even more WDW ?s
Date: 27 Oct 1997 15:09:48 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-10-27 13:27:35 EST, you write:

<< Does anyone have a WDW issued Sorcerer Mickey Quarter?

I got one - do you need information about it????

My Blizzard Beach question received twodifferent responses: Davelle
reported a horizontal Ice Gator while Kenny reported a vertical Ice
Gator. Can I get each of you to double check your orientation so I can
be sure thet these are different coins? >>

My mistake -- I thought I said it was vertical but I guess I typed
horizontal -- sorry about that -- it is definately vertical. Sorry for the
confusion.

Davelle

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From: MFrisch328@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 27 Oct 1997 15:19:19 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-10-26 10:41:09 EST, you write:

<< Aahz --

In a message dated 97-10-25 19:54:57 EDT, you write:

<< I know there has been at least one coin issued at Blizzard Beach,
but I can't find my record of it. Can someone provide a description?

It is a vertical coin with "Blizzard Beach" written at the top and an Ice
Gator below it. Disney is written VERY small under the Ice Gator.
>>

Thought I would check my e-mail that I sent and it was written as vertical --
are we confused on some other coin?????

Davelle

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From: AlinCal2@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) new location of squished penny museum
Date: 27 Oct 1997 18:56:00 -0500 (EST)

Hi --
The Squished Penny Museum is located at-- - (new location)

416 T street N W Washington D. C. 20001

Information for all Al

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From: kjcottrell@juno.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 27 Oct 1997 18:57:43 -0500

On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:19:19 -0500 (EST) MFrisch328@aol.com writes:

>
>
>Thought I would check my e-mail that I sent and it was written as
>vertical -- are we confused on some other coin?????
>

Nope it was *my* mistake....I reported it has a horizontal....it is
definately a vertical.

Sorry about that....typing too many of those descriptions...:)

Kenny Cottrell

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From: kjcottrell@juno.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Even more WDW ?s
Date: 27 Oct 1997 18:53:11 -0500

On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:23:08 -0800 (PST) Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
writes:
>
> Good morning, folx. It's time for the WDW EC questions of the
>day:
>
>Does anyone have a WDW issued Sorcerer Mickey Quarter?

Yep....it is like the penny found at the Caribbean Beach Resort at WDW
and the penny version is also found at Disneyland.

>My Blizzard Beach question received twodifferent responses: Davelle
>reported a horizontal Ice Gator while Kenny reported a vertical Ice
>Gator. Can I get each of you to double check your orientation so I
>can be sure thet these are different coins?

The one I have is a vertical coin. [Up and down orientation. :)]

>The person who reported the quad machine at Typhoon Lagoon insists it
>was indeed there in the summer of '95 and that each coin said "Typhoon
>Lagoon, so I'm still looking for these.

Just asking, but does Eurolink make a quad machine?

>Also on the "reported but unconfirmed" lisut is the penny with
>Quasimodo, Esmerelda and Poebus.
>

Kenny Cottrell

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) LA Zoo coins
Date: 27 Oct 1997 19:31:11 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-10-27 13:17:39 EST, you write:

>
> I still need a description of the California Condor coin that was reported
> here earlier.

I'm the proud owner of a cent ec, (H) continuos dot border, "Califronia
Condor" across the top inside, Los Angeles Zoo across the inside bottom.
Picture of bird with wings out streched almost from inside edge to inside
edge just centered to the left flying toward the viewer with a mountain
showing to the right in the distance. The art work is far above average
IMHO.

I believe this was a single machine.

-Bob Hoff
TEC #2033

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Even more WDW ?s
Date: 27 Oct 1997 19:31:18 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-10-27 13:27:35 EST, you write:

> Does anyone have a WDW issued Sorcerer Mickey Quarter?
>

Yes, from the Magic Kingdom, 5/96.

-Bob Hoff

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) San Diego Update
Date: 27 Oct 1997 19:49:24 -0800

Hi Everyone,

We went to Horten Plaza today to check out the 2 new machines... They are
both hand cranks. The one by Longs drug is broken, to many pennies jammed
in the shoot. The other one (by Irvine Market) is working... I will try
to get some traders from both machines soon... Hold your requests for
now, I will let you all know when I get some of these...

I did get a picture of one of the machines...

bc

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From: jimabbot@juno.com (Jim Thorpe)
Subject: (elongates) LA Zoo List
Date: 28 Oct 1997 00:36:39 EST

Nancy,

It's finally done !! Here is the list of LA Zoo elongated Coins
my wife & I collected in 1994.

The coins listed here were collected in 1994 by Jim & Ann Thorpe.

Note at the time "The Penny Men" had a portable hand crank machine in
operation on one of the main roadways.

**These coins were rolled on the above machine.

1. Adventure Island (text top of coin)
Pic. of Mountain Lion facing right (h)
Los Angeles Childrens Zoo (Bottom)
Dot Border

2. LA Zoo (text top of coin)
Elephant (text middle of coin)
Pic. of Elephant facing left with trunk raised (h)
Dot Border

3. Pic. of Baby Elephant facing right trunk down (v)
Elephant and Los Angeles Zoo (text bottom of coin)
Dot Border

4. LA Zoo (text top of coin)
Pic. of Rhinoceros facing right (h)
Rhinoceros (text bottom of coin)
Dot Border

5. Rhinoceros (text top of coin) **
Pic. of Rhinoceros facing left (v)
LA Zoo (text bottom of coin)
Dot Border

6. Koala (text top of coin)
Pic. of Koala in tree looking at viewer (v)
LA Zoo (text bottom of coin)
Dot Border

7. California Condor (text top of coin)
Pic. of Condor wings open & in front of mountain (h)
LA Zoo (text bottom of coin)
Dot Border

8. Giraffe (text on top of coin)
Pic of Giraffe facing right (v)
LA Zoo (text bottom of coin)
Dot Border

9. Pic. of Koala Bear looking at viewer (v)
LA Zoo (text bottom of coin)
Dot Border

10. Baby Hippopotamus (text top of coin) **
Pic. of Baby Hippo facing left (v)
LA Zoo (text bottom of coin)
Dot Border

11. Giraffe (text in center of coin)
Pic. of Giraffe facing left (v)
LA Zoo (text bottom of coin)
Dot Border

12. Pic. of Monkeys on branch (v)
LA Zoo (text bottom of coin)
Dot Border

I hope this list will help others further their knowledge about LA Zoo
elongateds collected in the past that may no longer be available.


Sincerely Jim Thorpe
Tec #1929
List completed 10-27-97

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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) are a good investment!
Date: 28 Oct 1997 12:06:27 -0500 (EST)

It's a good thing that I got out of the stock market last month and put all
of my money into flattened copper!

Mickey
Laughing all the way to the EC machine.

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) are a good investment!
Date: 28 Oct 1997 09:09:52 -0800

On 10/28/97 9:06 AM Mickey Morgan (ENTROPYM@aol.com ) wrote

>It's a good thing that I got out of the stock market last month and put all
>of my money into flattened copper!
>
>Mickey
>Laughing all the way to the EC machine.

I know we are supposed to limited our "me too" emails, but I also sold
almost all my Apple Stock this summer when it double (almost hit 30) and
not I have re-invested in my EC collection! Copper in the hand is worth
more than Wall Street paper today!

bc

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Northern CA, Nevada Update
Date: 28 Oct 1997 10:32:01 -0800

Greetings All,

I just got some new pennies (mostly zincs) from some friends...

1 - (H), [Four Cartwrights] "Ponderosa Ranch" at top, "Of Bonanza T.V.
Fame" at bottom. (Eurolink Machine)

2 - (H), [Design of the Ranch House] "Ponderosa Ranch" at top, "Of
Bonanza T.V. Fame" at bottom. (Eurolink Machine)

3 - (H), [Design of the Ranch House] "Wild West Museum" at top, "Virginia
City, Nev." at bottom. (Unknown Machine)
>Wild West Museum -- Attractions include Western memorabilia; antique guns,
>animal mounts; Chinese, Indian, and John Wayne displays, outlaw photo
>gallery. Information: 847-0400 or 66 N. "C" St., Virginia City 89440.
>Hours: 10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., daily. Season: Mar.-Nov. Admission: Donation.

I would love to trade for some uncirculated pre-82's of these coins!

There are MANY museums in this area. We could all divide up the list and
write (snail mail, or email) or call these museums to build a list of
EC's in the area. Once we have a list, it becomes easier for people
travelling to/thru the area to build there collections and get traders
for the rest of us... Here's a partial list of Tahoe/Nevado museums that
need to be checked out for elonaged coins:

ELKO Museums & Attractions

Northeastern Nevada Museum
Features exhibits on mining, ranching, railroads, Native
Americans, and natural history of northeastern Nevada.
Information: 738-3418; Fax 778-9318 or 1515 Idaho St., Elko 89801.
Hours: 9:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., Mon.-Sat.; 1:00
p.m.-5:00 p.m., Sun. Season: Year-round. Admission: None.
Western Folklife Center
Exhibits of contemporary folk art, often including cowboy gear;
gift shop. Information: 738-7508; Fax 738-2900 or 501
Railroad St., P.O. Box 888, Elko 89803. Hours: 9:00 a.m.-6:00
p.m., Mon.-Sat. Season: Year-round. Admission: None.

LOVELOCK Museums & Attractions

Pershing County Courthouse
Historic round courthouse built in 1919; listed on the National
Register for its unique design by architect Frederick J.
DeLongchamps. Information: 273-7144 or 400 Main St., P.O. Box 986,
Lovelock 89419. Hours: 9:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m.,
Mon.-Fri. Season: Year-round. Admission: None.
Pershing County Marzen House Museum
Built in 1874, this two-story house features, mining equipment,
home fixtures, Native American artifacts, and a
Lovelock Cave exhibit. Information: 273-2115 or Marzen Ln., P.O.
Box 566, Lovelock 89419. Hours: 9:00 a.m.-4:00
p.m., Tue.-Fri.; 1:30 p.m.-4:00 p.m., Sat.-Sun. Season:
Year-round. Admission: Donation.

WINNEMUCCA Museums & Attractions

Buckaroo Hall of Fame
Memorabilia including traditional working gear, paintings,
sculpture, and drawings. Information: 623-2225 or 30 W.
Winne-mucca Blvd., Winnemucca 89445. Hours: 8:00 a.m.-noon & 1:00
p.m.-5:00 p.m., daily. Season: Year-round.
Admission: Donation.
Humboldt Museum
Three turn-of-the-century buildings with antique autos, farm
collection, and Native American exhibits. Information:
623-2912; Fax 623-5640 or Jungo Rd. & Maple Ave., P.O. Box 819,
Winnemucca 89446. Hours: 10:00 a.m.-noon &
1:00 p.m.-4:00 p.m., Mon.-Fri.; 1:00 p.m.-4:00 p.m., Sat. Season:
Year-round except major holidays. Admission:
Donation.

BAKER Museums & Attractions

Great Basin National Park
Attractions include tours of Lehman Cave, miles of hiking trails,
groves of ancient bristlecone pine trees, and Wheeler
Peak - a permanent ice field in a glacial cirque. Information:
234-7331 or Hwy. 488, Baker 89311. Hours: Visitors
Center 8:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., daily; park-24 hours. Season:
Year-round except major holidays. Admission:
Entrance-free, call for guided tour and camping fees.

ELY Museums & Attractions

East Ely Railroad Depot Museum
Housed in the historic East Ely Depot, the museum preserves the
mining and transportation heritage of eastern
Nevada. Information: 289-1663; Fax 289-1664 or 1100 Avenue A, Box
151100, East Ely 89315. Hours: 8:00
a.m.-5:00 p.m., Mon.-Fri. Season: Year-round. Admission: Donation.
Nevada Northern Railway Museum
Large collection of historic rolling stock including two
heavy-duty locomotives that hauled copper. Train rides are
available. Information: 289-2085 or P.O. Box 150040, East Ely
89315. Hours: Tours 9:30 a.m.-4:00 p.m., daily
Season: Memorial Day thru Labor Day. Admission: Museum
general-$2.50, children (under 10)-free; train rides
$4.00-$14.00.
Ward Charcoal Ovens State Historic Site
Six 30-foot tall kilns built of native stone that provided
charcoal for the smelter at the Ward mining camp. (Located 5
mi. S. of Ely on Hwy. 93 and 11 mi. W. by graded dirt road.)
Information: 728-4467; Fax 728-4469 or c/o Nevada
Division of State Parks, Box 176, Panaca 89042.
White Pine County Museum
Museum exhibits reflect the mining and railroading lifestyles of
the early settlers; also includes the Hesselgesser Doll
Collection with 1000+ dolls. Information: 289-4710 or 2000 Aultman
St., Ely 89301. Hours: 9:00 a.m.-4:00 p.m.,
Mon.-Fri., 10:00 a.m.-4:00 p.m. Sat.-Sun. Season: Year-round
except major holidays. Admission: Donation.

EUREKA Museums & Attractions

Eureka County Courthouse
Completed in 1880, the courthouse is still in use and features
some original furniture, the ornate courtroom, pressed
tin ceilings, and walk-in vaults. Information: 237-6006; Fax
237-6040 or P.O. Box 14, Eureka 89316. Hours: 8:00
a.m.-5:00 p.m., Mon.-Fri. Season: Year-round. Admission: None.
Eureka Opera House
Built in 1880 and restored in 1993. The opera house with its
original 1924 hand-painted stage curtain offers a unique
historic experience. Information: 237-6006; Fax 237-6040 or P.O.
Box 284, Eureka 89316. Hours: 9:00 a.m.-5:00
p.m., Mon.-Fri. & by appointment. Season: Year-round. Admission:
None.
Eureka Sentinel Museum
This pressed coin set was originally located in the old Eureka Sentinel building, the town's longest
running newspaper, displaying artifacts from
Eureka's 1870s lead/silver mining era. Information: 237-5010; Fax
237-6040 or P.O. Box 82, Eureka 89316. Hours:
9:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m. Season: Apr.-Sept., daily; Oct.-Mar.,
Tue.-Sat. Admission: Donation.

FALLON Museums & Attractions

Churchill County Museum & Archives
Featuring exhibits on local Native American tribes, the Emigrant
Trail, the Pony Express and early Churchill County.
Information: 423-3677 or 1050 S. Maine St., Fallon 89406. Hours:
10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., Mon.-Sat. & noon-4:00
p.m., Sun. (Apr.-Dec.); 10:00 a.m.-4:00 p.m., Mon.-Sat. &
noon-4:00 p.m., Sun. (Jan.-Mar.). Season: Year-round.
Admission: Donation.
Grimes Point Archaeological Site
Interpretive trail leading though boulders covered with
petroglyphs; located 12 miles east of Fallon on Hwy. 395
Information: 885-6000; Fax 885-6147 or c/o Bureau of Land
Management, 1535 Hot Springs Rd., Carson City
89706.
Hidden Cave
Guides take visitors on a 1/4-mile, uphill trail to the ancient
storage site for local Native Americans. Information:
423-3677 or 1050 S. Maine St., Fallon 89406. Hours: 9:30
a.m.-11:30 a.m., second and fourth Sat. of month.
Season: Year-round. Admission: None.
Stillwater Wildlife Refuge
Located on the Pacific Flyway, the wetlands are the temporary home
to hundreds of species of migratory birds every
year. Information: 423-5128 or call for details.

FERNLEY Museums & Attractions

Wigwam Restaraunt Museum
Museum features Indian artifacts, arrowheads, baskets , paintings
by Nevadan Bill Moore, leather and beadwork,
Kachina dolls and wicker duck decoys. Information: 575-2573 or 225
W. Main St., P.O. Box 77 Fernley 89408.
Hours: 5:00 a.m.-10:00 p.m., daily. Season: Year-round. Admission:
none.

CARSON CITY Museums & Attractions

Brewery Arts Center
Center offers pottery studio, art galleries, exhibits, classes,
music, and theatrical performances. Information:
883-1976; Fax 883-1976 or 449 W. King St., Carson City 89703.
Hours: 9:00 a.m.-4:00 p.m., Mon.-Fri. Season:
Year-round. Admission: None (except for performance).
The Children's Museum of Northern Nevada
Hands-on interactive exhibits turn learning into self-paced
recreational fun. Information: 884-2226 or 813 N.
Carson St., Carson City 89701. Hours: Please call. Season:
Year-round. Admission: Adults-$4.00, children
(3-12)-$2.00, children (2 & under)-free.
Nevada State Capitol
State Capitol and exhibit recapturing the past 120 years of
Nevada's No. 1 historic building. Information: 687-4810
or Carson St. at Musser St., Capitol Complex, Carson City 89710.
Hours: 8:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., daily. Season:
Year-round. Admission: None.
Nevada State Library & Archives
Exhibits include the original state constitution and a video
program highlighting Nevada's admission to the union
during the Civil War. Information: 687-8317, (800) 922-2880; Fax
687-8311 or 100 Stewart St., Capitol Complex,
Carson City 89710. Hours: 8:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., Mon.-Fri. except
state holidays. Season: Year-round. Admission:
None.
Nevada State Museum
Housed in the former U.S. mint, the museum features memorabilia of
Nevada's history, geology, and culture,
including a full-size replica of a ghost town and an underground
mine. Information: 687-4810; Fax 687-4168 or 600
N. Carson St., Carson City 89710. Hours: 8:30 a.m.-4:30 p.m.,
daily except major holidays. Season: Year-round.
Admission: Senior citizens-$2.50, adults-$3.00, children (18 &
under)-free.
Nevada State Railroad Museum
The museum houses over 50 pieces of railroad equipment from
Nevada's colorful past. Information: 687-6953; Fax
687-8294 or 2180 S. Carson St., Carson City 89703. Hours: 8:30
a.m.-4:30 p.m., Wed.-Sun. Season: Year-round.
Admission: Adults-$2.00, children (under 18)-free.
Roberts House Museum
Nevada's oldest standing Victorian home and museum located in a
quaint downtown Carson City park. Information:
887-2174, 882-4133 or 1207 N. Carson St., P.O. Box 1864, Carson
City 89701. Hours: 10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m.,
Tue.-Sun. Season: Year-round. Admission: $2.00 donation.
Stewart Indian Cultural Center
The museum features a display of E. S. Curtis photogravures,
various grinding stones, baskets, an arrowhead
collection, and a Stewart Indian School exhibit. Information:
882-1808 or 5366 Snyder Ave., Carson City 89701.
Hours: 9:00 a.m.-4:00 p.m.. Season: Year-round. Admission: None.
Warren Engine Co. No. 1 Historic Fire Museum
Historical view of the Carson Fire Department with several pieces
of fire apparatus, Currier & Ives lithographs,
photographs and artifacts. Information: 887-2210, Fax 887-2209 or
777 S. Stewart St., Carson City 89701. Hours:
8:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m. Mon.-Fri. Season: Year-round. Admission: None.

CARSON VALLEY Museums & Attractions

(MINDEN / GARDNERVILLE)

Carson Valley Museum & Cultural Center
Restored high school with East Fork Artists Cooperative art
gallery, children's art museum, Washoe Indian Tribe
exhibit and agricultural displays. Information; 782-2555 or 1477
Hwy. 395, Gardnerville 89410. Hours: 10:00
a.m.-5:00 p.m. daily. Seasons: Year-round except Christmas, New
Year's and Easter. Admision: Donation.
Genoa Courthouse Museum
Restored Douglas County Courthouse, built in 1865, includes
exhibits of a courtroom, parlor, jail, kitchen, blacksmith
shop, and schoolroom. Information: 782-4325 or corner of Main &
5th, P.O. Box 957, Genoa 89411. Hours: 10:00
a.m.-4:30 p.m., daily. Season: May-Oct. Admission: Donation.
Sharkey's Memorabilia Collection
Sharkey Begovich's collection of Western art, boxing memorabilia,
circus items, and a saddle collection from rodeo
and movie stars. Information: 782-3133 or c/o Sharkey's Nugget
Casino, 1440 Hwy. 395, P.O. Box 625, Gardnerville
89410. Hours: 24 hours, daily. Season: Year-round. Admission:
None.
Walley's Hot Springs
Hot mineral pools established in 1862 plus a fresh-water swimming
pool, saunas, steam and weight room, and
tennis. Information: 782-8155 or 2001 Foothill Rd., P.O. Box 26,
Genoa 89411. Hours: 8:00 a.m.-10:00 p.m., daily.
Season: Year-round. Admission: $12 per person.

LAKE TAHOE-NORTH Museums & Attractions

Ponderosa Ranch
Home of the "Bonanza" Western TV series with the Cartwright ranch
house, a Western town, and a collection of
antique automobiles, carriages, and farm equipment. Information:
831-0691; Fax 831-0113 or 100 Ponderosa Ranch
Rd., Incline Village 89451. Hours: 9:30 a.m.-5:00 p.m. (Hayride
breakfast 8:00 a.m.-9:30 a.m.), daily. Season:
May-Oct. (Hayride breakfast Memorial Day thru Labor Day).
Admission: Adults-$8.50, children (5-11)-$5.50,
children (under 5)-free (Hayride breakfast-$2.00 additional).

LAKE TAHOE-SOUTH Museums & Attractions

Heavenly Aerial Tram
Take a 5-minute tram ride to an elevation of 8,250 feet for
spectacular views of Lake Tahoe, plus hiking, interpretive
walks, and Top of the Tram dining. Information: 586-700 (Main
Office), (916) 544-6263 (Top of Tram Dining) or
Top of Ski Run Blvd., P.O. Box 2180, Stateline 89449. Hours: 10:00
a.m.-9:00 p.m., Mon.-Sat. and 9:00 a.m.-9:00
p.m., Sun. Season: Year-round. Admission: Adults-$10.50,
children-$6.00.
M.S. Dixie II
Tahoe's largest, most spacious paddlewheeler with champagne
brunch, sightseeing, lunch, and dinner cruises for 25
to 500 passengers. Information: 588-3508; Fax 588-5021 or 760 Hwy.
50, P.O. Box 1667, Zephyr Cove 89448.
Hours: 9:00a.m-11:00 p.m., daily. Season: Year-round. Admission:
Adults-$14.00 to $34.00, children (11 &
under)-$5.00 to $10.00, group rates available.
Tahoe Rim Trail
A 150-mile system of hiking and equestrian trails around the Lake
Tahoe ridgetops, accessed from trailheads at
Spooner Summit (Hwy. 50), Tahoe City (East side), Luther Pass
(Hwy. 89), and Kingsbury (Hwy. 207). Information:
588-0686; Fax 588-8737 or 298 Kingsbury Grade, P.O. Box 4647,
Stateline 89449.
Woodwind Sailing Cruises
Offering public and private sailing excursions plus weddings for
up to 30 passengers. Information: 588-3000 or
Hwy. 50 at Zephyr Cove, P.O. Box 1375, Zephyr Cove 89448. Hours:
9:00 a.m.-7:00 p.m., daily. Season: Apr.-Oct.
Admission: Call for prices.
Zephyr Cove Resort
Complete lakeside resort with sandy beach, boat rentals, jet
skiing, parasailing, stables, cabins, campground, sailing,
sportfishing, and more. Information: 588-6644; Fax 588-9627 or 760
Hwy. 50, P.O. Box 830, Zephyr Cove 89448.
Hours: 24 hours, daily. Season: Year-round. Admission: Call for
prices.
Zephyr Cove Snowmobile Center
Exhilarating snowmobile rides with spectacular lake views from
9,000 feet, guides and instruction included.
First-timers and groups welcome. Information: 588-3833; Fax
588-5021 or 760 Hwy. 50, P.O. Box 830, Zephyr
Cove 89448. Hours: 9:00 a.m.-6:00 p.m., daily, Season: Nov.-Apr.
Admission: $69.00-$99.00.

RENO / SPARKS Museums & Attractions

Boomtown's Family Fun Center
Features miniature golf, dynamic motion theater, carousel, ferris
wheel, arcade games, and party room. Information:
345-8668, (800) 648-3790; Fax 345-0147 or I-80 at Boomtown (Garson
Exit), P.O. Box 399, Verdi 89439. Hours:
10:00 a.m.-10:00 p.m., Sun.-Thur.; 10:00 a.m.-midnight, Fri.-Sat.
Season: Year-round. Admission: Day pass-$10.00
(individual attractions prices also available).
Fleischmann Planetarium
Nevada's first planetarium features star shows, SkyDome films,
free museum, and public observatory. Information:
784-4811, Fax 784-4822 or University of Nevada, Reno, 1664 N.
Virginia St., Reno 89557. Hours: 8:00 a.m.-5:00
p.m. and 7:00 p.m.-9:00 p.m., Mon.-Fri.; 10:30 a.m.-9:00 p.m.
Sat.-Sun. Season: Year-round except major holidays.
Admission: Adults-$5.00, senior citizens-$3.50, children (13 &
under)-$3.50.
(W. M.) Keck Museum
The museum features mining artifacts and a large exhibit of rocks,
minerals, and fossils. Information: 784-4528; Fax
784-1766 or University of Nevada, Reno, Mackay School of Mines,
Reno 89557. Hours: 9:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m.,
Mon.-Fri. Season: Year-round except major holidays and school
breaks. Admission: None.
(Wilbur D.) May Arboretum and Botanical Garden
An assortment of walking paths and theme gardens displaying both
native and ornamental plants, plus a wide
variety of specimen plants and trees. Information: 785-4153; Fax
785-4707 or Rancho San Rafael Park, 1502
Washington St., Reno 89503. Hours: 8:00 a.m.-sunset, daily.
Season: Year-round. Admission: None, nominal fee for
guided tours.
(Wilbur D.) May Great Basin Adventure
A children's park with farm animals, dinosaurs, discovery room,
log flume, and pony rides. Information: 785-4319;
Fax 785-4707 or Rancho San Rafael Park, 1502 Washington St., Reno
89503. Hours: 10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., daily.
Season: Memorial Day thru Labor Day. Admission: Adults-$2.50,
senior citizens (55 & up)-$1.50, children-$1.50.
(Wilbur D.) May Museum
Museum houses the lifetime collections of Wilbur May, late
department store magnate, rancher, big-game hunter,
businessman, and philanthropist. Information: 785-5961; Fax
785-4707 or Rancho San Rafael Park, 1502
Washington St., Reno 89503. Hours: 10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., (daily,
Apr.-Sep.; Tue.-Sun., Oct.-Mar.) Season:
Year-round. Admission: Adults-$2.50 senior citizens (55 &
over)-$1.50, children-$1.50.
National Automobile Museum
Fun family experience with over 200 cars, multimedia theater,
exhibits, period settings, gift shop, and restaurant.
Information: 333-9300; Fax 333-9309 or 10 Lake St. S., Reno 89501.
Hours: 9:30 a.m.-5:30 p.m., daily. Season:
Year-round, except major holidays. Admission: Adults-$7.50, senior
citizens-$6.50, children (6-18)-$2.50, children (5
& under)- free with adult.
National Bowling Stadium
Area-type facility designed for tournaments and special events;
includes a 70mm Iwerks Theater. Information:
334-2600; Fax 334-2606; or 300 N. Center St., Reno 89501. Hours:
8:00 a.m. -6:00 p.m., daily. Season:
Year-round. Admission: Stadium-free; Theater-$5.00.
Nevada Historical Society Museum
Founded in 1904, the state's oldest museum offers permanent
exhibits that encompass Nevada's history from
prehistoric times to the present. Information: 688-1190; Fax
688-2917 or 1650 N. Virginia Street, Reno 89503.
Hours: Museum 10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., Mon.-Sat.; Library 12:00
noon-4:00 p.m., Tue.-Sat. Season: Year-round.
Admission: Adults-$2.00, children (under 18)-free.
Nevada Museum of Art
Nevada's only collecting fine art museum with exhibits of 19th and
20th century art. Information: 329-3333; Fax
329-1541 or 160 W. Liberty St., Reno 89501 Hours: 10:00 a.m.-4:00
p.m., Tue.-Sat.; 12:00 noon-4:00 p.m. Sun.
Season: Year-round. Admission: Adults-$3.00, senior
citizens-$1.50, students-$1.50, children (6-12)-$.50.
Reno Arch
A unique entry-way sign located on Virginia Street in the downtown
area featuring neon lighting, recognized
world-wide. Information: 334-2077; Fax 334-3815; or Reno
Redevelopement, P.O. Box 1900, Reno 89505.
Reno-Tahoe Gaming Academy
"Behind the Scenes Gaming Tour" takes you where the casino dealers
are trained. Information: 329-5665; Fax
329-0846 or 300 E. First St., Suite 103, Reno 89501. Hours: By
reservation. Season: Year-round. Admission: Call for
rates.
Sheppard Fine Art Gallery
Exhibits of regional and national artists, rotating about every
three weeks; hosted reception with each new opening.
Information: 784-6682; Fax 784-6655 or University of Nevada, Reno,
Church Fine Arts Bldg., Reno 89557. Hours:
9:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., Mon.-Wed. & Fri.; 9:00 a.m.-9:00 p.m., Thur.
Season: Year-round. Admission: None.
Sierra Safari Zoo
Offers a small zoo experience with an opportunity to get close to
many animal species; includes over 200 animals
representing 40 species. Information: 677-1101 or 102000 N.
Virginia Street, Reno 89506. Hours: 10:00 a.m.-5:00
p.m., daily. Season Apr. - Oct. Admission: Adults-$5.00; senior
citizens-$4.00; children-$3.00.
(Raymond I.) Smith Truckee River Walk
Public plaza featuring native Nevada wildlife reliefs and unique
fountains. Site for concerts, art exhibits, and the
annual festival of trees. Information: 334-2077; Fax 334-3815 or
10 Island Ave., P.O. Box 1900, Reno 89505. Hours:
12:00 noon-8:00 p.m., Mon.-Sat. Season: June-Sept. & Dec.
Admission: None.
Sparks Heritage Foundation & Museum
Features historical memorabilia depicting early Sparks and
surrounding area with emphasis on railroading.
Information: 355-1144 or 820 "B" St., Sparks 89431. Hours: 11:00
a.m.-4:00 p.m., Tue.-Sat. Season: Year-round.
Admission: Donation.
Wild Island
Northern Nevada's largest family amusement complex including a
waterpark, 36-hole mini-golf course, two race
tracks, and giant game center. Information: 359-2927; Fax 359-5942
or 250 Wild Island Court, Sparks 89434.
Hours: Varies with the season, daily. Season: Waterpark, Memorial
Day-Labor Day; golf course and raceway,
year-round. Admission: Waterpark general-$15.95, Junior-$10.95;
golf 18 holes-$3.95, 36 holes-$5.95; raceway Indy
car-$3.50, sprint car-$2.00.
Wingfield Park Amphitheater
Open air amphitheater located by the Raymond I. Smith Truckee
River Walk offering concerts, theater and special
events. Information: 334-2077; Fax 334-3815 or 2 N. Arlington
Ave., P.O. Box 1900, Reno 89505. Hours: 12:00
noon-8:00 p.m., Mon.-Sat., Season: June-Sept. Admission: None.

VIRGINIA CITY Museums & Attractions

(Julia C.) Bullette Red Light Museum
History of Julia Bullette, a favored soiled dove of 1860s
Virginia City; displays include vintage erotica and antique
medical equipment. Information: 847-9394, 5 "C" St., Virginia City
89440. Hours: 11:00 a.m.-9:00 p.m., Thur.-Sun.
Season: Year-round. Admission: Adults-$1.00, children (under
16)-free.
Fourth Ward School Museum
Built in 1876, the museums main exhibit, "A Comstock Lesson,"
features the history and culture of the Comstock.
Information: 847-0975 or "C" St., P.O. Box 4, Virginia City 89440.
Hours: 10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., daily. Season:
May-Oct. Admission: Donation.
Liberty Engine Company #1 Museum
Artifacts relating to the history of firefighting on the Comstock.
Information: 847-0717 or 51 S. "C" St., P.O. Box 466,
Virginia City 89440. Hours: 10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., daily. Season:
May-Nov. Admission: Donation.
Mackay Mansion Museum
Built in 1860 as the headquarters of John Mackay, King of the
Comstock. Includes mining artifacts, original
furnishings, and Tiffany silver. Information: 847-0173, Fax
847-7625 or 129 S. "D" St., P.O. Box 971, Virginia City
89440. Hours: 10:00 a.m.-6:00 p.m., daily. Season: Year-round.
Admission: Adults-$3.00, children-(17 & under)
free.
Nevada Gambling Museum
Featuring over half-a-million-dollars worth of gaming memorabilia,
including over 100 antique slot machines,
cheating devices, and gamblers weapons. Information: 847-9022 or
50 S. "C" St., Virginia City 89440. Hours: 10:00
a.m.-5:00 p.m., Oct.-Mar.; 10:00 a.m.-6:00 p.m., Apr. - Sep.
Season: Year-round. Admission: $1.50.
Piper's Opera House
Built in the 1880s, Piper's Opera House attracted famous stars
from Europe and the United States; listed by the
League of Historic Theaters as the most significant vintage
theater in the West. Information: 847-0433 or "B" St. at
Union St., Virginia City 89440. Hours: 11:00 a.m.-4:30 p.m.,
daily. Season: Jun.-Oct. Admission: Adults-$2.00,
children (under 10)-free.
Virginia & Truckee Railroad (V&T)
Narrated 35-minute steam train ride through the heart of the
historic Comstock mining region. Information:
847-0380 or Washington & "F" St., P.O. Box 467, Virginia City
89440. Hours: 10:30 a.m.-5:45 p.m. Season:
May-Sept. (daily) & Oct. (weekends). Admission: Adults-$4.50,
children (5-12)- $2.25.
Virginia City Historic Walking Tours
Informative two-hour historic walking tour covering one mile of
Virginia City. Information: 847-9233; Fax
847-9233; or P.O. Box 151, Virginia City 89440. Hours: 10:30 a.m.
& 1:30 p.m., Sat. - Thu.; 2:00 p.m., Sun. Season:
Year-round. Admission: Adults-$8.00; children (8-12) -$5.00
Virginia City Trolley
A 2 1/2-mile, 20-minute narrated tour of Virginia City on a
trolley or tram. Information: 786-0866; or c/o Virginia
City Tours, 1050 Hoge N., Reno 89506. Hours: 9:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m.,
daily (summer); 10:00 a.m.-4:00 p.m., daily.
Season: Year-round except Christmas. Admission: Adult-$2.00;
children (11 and under)-free with adult.
Way It Was Museum
The museum displays the most complete collection of Comstock
mining artifacts in the world plus rare photos, lithos
and maps of the "Bonanza" period. Information: 847-0766 or 113 N.
"C" St., P.O. Box 95, Virginia City 89440.
Hours: 10:00 a.m.-6:00 p.m., daily. Season: Year-round except
Christmas. Admission: General-$2.00, children (11
and under)-free with adult.
Wild West Museum
Attractions include Western memorabilia; antique guns, animal
mounts; Chinese, Indian, and John Wayne displays,
outlaw photo gallery. Information: 847-0400 or 66 N. "C" St.,
Virginia City 89440. Hours: 10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m.,
daily. Season: Mar.-Nov. Admission: Donation.

WADSWORTH Museums & Attractions

Numana Hatchery Visitors Center
Photo display of Pyramid Lake Paiute Indian Reservation featuring
the land, the lake, the people, and the Fisheries
Restoration Project. Tours of the Numana trout hatchery are
available. Information: 574-0290; Fax 476-0558 or
Highway 447, MM #8 (located 8 mi. N. of Wadsworth via Hwy. 447),
Dead Ox 89510. Hours: 8:00 a.m.-4:30 p.m.,
daily. Season: Year-round. Admission: None.

WASHOE VALLEY Museums & Attractions

Bowers Mansion
Built in 1864 for the first millionaires of the Comstock Lode, the
mansion has been re-furnished with many original
pieces. Information: 849-0201 or 4005 Hwy. 395, Washoe Valley
89704. Hours: 11:00 a.m.-4:30 p.m., daily. Season:
May-Oct. Admission: Adults-$3.00, senior citizens-$2.00,
children-$2.00.
Old Washoe Stables
Guided horseback rides for all experience levels through forest
areas with spectacular views of Washoe Valley.
Information: 849-1020 or 1201 Hwy. 395, Washoe Valley, 89704.
Hours: Call for information. Season: Year-round.
Admission: $18/hour and up.

WELLINGTON Museums & Attractions

Wellington Station Museum
Features Paiute Indian display, freight wagons, mining tools and
hand-forged blacksmith tools housed in the original
Wellington School House, built in 1898. Information: 465-2304 or
P.O. Box 36, Wellington 89444. Hours: 10:00
a.m.-4:00 p.m. by appointment. Season: May-Sept. Admission: None.

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) More Nevada Info
Date: 28 Oct 1997 10:43:53 -0800

Sorry All,

I forgot to mention this coin is 2 sided! And the description should read:

>3 - (H), [Design of a face, text says "The Face Upon The Floor"] "Wild West
Museum" at top,
> "Virginia City, Nev." at bottom. (Unknown Machine)

The reverse side has a map of Nevada, an outline of Lake Tahoe, text that
says "Lake Tahoe, and text that says "Virgina City, Nevada." This is a
very cool coin (I would love a couple in coppers...)

Bert

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Rockport MA Penny
Date: 28 Oct 1997 14:05:32 -0800

Hi Everyone,

Here's the report from my friend in Boston on the Rockport machine:

>The penny is from rockport massachusetts, a small town on the northern
>mass coast near gloucester. Its a tiny tourist oriented town that literally
>had a penny booth near the shops and chowder houses.

That's as much detail as I got. Hopefully someone is the Northeast can
locate the machine, get us a more detailed location report and some
traders...

bc

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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Rockport MA Penny
Date: 28 Oct 1997 13:53:58 -0800

Here's some more information,

I have the penny. The shop burned down in a fire a long time ago. I
bought the penny from an antique dealer in Maine.
This dealer told me that they rebuilt the building to match what it used
to look like. I guess it was some sort of
popular tourist spot.

I'll scan the penny in tomorrow (if I remember).

- Jeff
>

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From: BLMC <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Rockport MA Penny
Date: 28 Oct 1997 21:31:45 -0500

Bert Creighton wrote:
>
>
> That's as much detail as I got. Hopefully someone is the Northeast can
> locate the machine, get us a more detailed location report and some
> traders...

I'll put all my investigative resources on it. (I'll go to Rockport and
eat chowder 'til I find it. Yum.)

Ben

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From: jimabbot@juno.com (Jim Thorpe)
Subject: (elongates) Technical Difficulties
Date: 28 Oct 1997 21:36:54 EST

Hello All,

Due to Technical Difficulties I lost all messages sent to me
after 8:00 am California time so if you sent me an e-mail please send it
again.


Thanks Jim
E-Mail Address is: jimabbot@juno.com

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) MORE WDW Catalogging Questions
Date: 29 Oct 1997 12:49:21 -0800 (PST)

On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 MFrisch328@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-10-26 10:41:09 EST, you write:
>
> << Aahz --
>
> In a message dated 97-10-25 19:54:57 EDT, you write:
>
> << I know there has been at least one coin issued at Blizzard Beach,
> but I can't find my record of it. Can someone provide a description?
>
> It is a vertical coin with "Blizzard Beach" written at the top and an Ice
> Gator below it. Disney is written VERY small under the Ice Gator.
> >>
>
>
> Thought I would check my e-mail that I sent and it was written as vertical --
> are we confused on some other coin?????

No, it's just me :) Actually, according to the notes, I have in
front of me now, you (Davelle) reported the v. while Kenny reported the
h., so I just went dislexic. But I'm still not sure about any of it. I
HATE BEING DISORGANIZED AAARRRGGGHH!!!

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <vmphntr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Even more WDW ?s
Date: 29 Oct 1997 14:05:36 -0700 (MST)

On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 kjcottrell@juno.com wrote:

> >The person who reported the quad machine at Typhoon Lagoon insists it
> >was indeed there in the summer of '95 and that each coin said "Typhoon
> >Lagoon, so I'm still looking for these.
>
> Just asking, but does Eurolink make a quad machine?

I've never seen a Eurolink quad, but many other machine
manufacturers make a quad. And since someone else had the DL contract
before Eurolink came along, it's very possible someone had machines at WDW
before Eurolink. (Which would also explain the report of someone getting
an EC on their first trip to WDW in 1991!)

Peace,

Aahz

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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Penny scans
Date: 29 Oct 1997 12:08:33 -0800

Hey everybody,

I'm in the process of scanning in my collection. This effort is mainly
towards the Virtual Penny Museum (VPM)
that many of us have talked about for the last several months.
I'm sending these scans to Bert and Kathy (Penny Page). If you would
like to see these scans, please send me e-mail.
I'll include you on the list. Even though it's pennies, I imagine most
people wouldn't really like to see them.

So far, I've scanned in the following:

The old (no longer available) Museum of Science Boston, MA coins
Some painted coins from Disneyland and San Francisco my wife did.
The Rockport, MA penny
A couple of quarters from Six Flags, Valencia, CA
Old San Francisco penny
1904 St. Louis World's Fair
and others...

Let me know what you'd like to see. Otherwise, you'll have to wait for
either the Penny Page update or the VPM.

- Jeff :)

Jeff Dixon Software Engineer
Electronic Arts San Mateo, CA
"The Mystic Bodisafa helped me write this e-mail."

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Even more WDW ?s
Date: 29 Oct 1997 12:45:33 -0800 (PST)

On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 MFrisch328@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-10-27 13:27:35 EST, you write:
>
> << Does anyone have a WDW issued Sorcerer Mickey Quarter?
>
> I got one - do you need information about it????
>

Yes, Please :)

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) WDW Penny Set Auction
Date: 29 Oct 1997 18:17:30 -0800 (PST)

Greetings & Salutations!

Due to my current financial situation I find it necessary to
auction off my rights to the WDW penny set that Big Al is currently
aquiring for me.

I say 'rights' because the sets still aren't done (as far as I
know). The sets will be mailed to Jeff Dixon when they are completed and
I will simply have him forward my set to the winner of this auction.

For those of you who are new to the list, this set consists of
approximately 201 elongated pennies currently available at WDW. Several
of us from the list contracted with Big Al Ramsey to get these sets for
us. We paid, I believe $155 and supplied our own coins, so they'll all
be on coppers.

Bidding will start at $150 and bids will not be reduced. PLEASE
SEND BIDS VIA PRIVATE E-MAIL!! I will send the updated high bid o the
list (and any digest members who express an interest) each time I log-on
(roughly every day or so). The auction will run about a week or until I
do not receive any more bids in a reasonable period (at least 24hrs).

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Temporary address
Date: 29 Oct 1997 18:21:53 -0800 (PST)

Greetings from lovely Palmdale!

Well, I got a job today, but it won't start for a few weeks so it
looks like I'm going to be without address for sometime to come.
However, my brain finally functioned well enough to allow me to realize
that I can get mail General Delivery.

So, if you have anything you're waiting to mail to me, including
auction donations, you can mail them to:

Chris Aahz
c/o General Delivery
Palmdale, CA 93550

The list auction should begin sometime next week (or as soon as I
receive all of the donations that I know are coming).

PLEASE let me know via private e-mail or voice mail
(1-800-562-4301 ext. 5190) if you mail me something so I can be sure to
keep checking at the post office until it shows up.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) WDW Sorcerer Mickey Quarter
Date: 29 Oct 1997 18:23:40 -0800 (PST)

Many apologies. I wasn't very clear in my previous request for
info on a WDW issued Sorcerer Mickey quarter. I'm currently looking for
information on one that was NOT issued for either the 25th Anniversary
celebration or one of the Disneyana conventions.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) OFF-TOPIC: Beer Coasters
Date: 29 Oct 1997 18:31:26 -0800 (PST)

If memory serves, someone on the list collects paper beer
coasters. I came across the following organization while doing some
research today and thought I'd pass on the info:

British Beer-Mat Collectors Society
30 Carters Orchard
Quedgeley
Gloucester GL2 6WB, England

John Feenan - Secretary

They're a collectors club that also publishes a monthly magazine called
'Beermat'

Peace,

Aahz

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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: (elongates) Update on WDW coins
Date: 29 Oct 1997 17:57:04 -0800

Since Chris posted to the list about auctioning off his "rights," I'd
thought an update was in order.

I sent e-mail to Big Al today - asking him to tell me how many
pennies/set he has done so far.
I know we all are awaiting these pennies - and will try to get an ETA
back to the list in the next couple of days.

- Jeff :)

Jeff Dixon Software Engineer
Electronic Arts San Mateo, CA
"The Mystic Bodisafa helped me write this e-mail."

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From: "Dixon, Jeff" <JDixon@ea.com>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Temporary address
Date: 29 Oct 1997 17:57:21 -0800

Congrats! What are you going to do for a job?

- Jeff

>-- ---Original Message-- ---
>From: Chris Aahz [SMTP:aahz@svpal.org]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 6:22 PM
>To: Elongates Mail List
>Subject: (elongates) Temporary address
>
>Greetings from lovely Palmdale!
>
> Well, I got a job today, but it won't start for a few weeks so it
>looks like I'm going to be without address for sometime to come.
>However, my brain finally functioned well enough to allow me to realize
>that I can get mail General Delivery.
>
> So, if you have anything you're waiting to mail to me, including
>auction donations, you can mail them to:
>
>Chris Aahz
>c/o General Delivery
>Palmdale, CA 93550
>
> The list auction should begin sometime next week (or as soon as I
>receive all of the donations that I know are coming).
>
> PLEASE let me know via private e-mail or voice mail
>(1-800-562-4301 ext. 5190) if you mail me something so I can be sure to
>keep checking at the post office until it shows up.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
>
>
>

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Subject: (elongates) First Ever EC Live Chat!
Date: 28 Oct 1997 21:39:35 -0600

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Saturday, November 1, 1997, at 8pm Pacific Time, a live chat is =
scheduled for elongated coin enthusiasts. Join us for the FUN!

This first chat room discussion will be:
Introductions to Using Chat
and...
How Will Live Chat Benefit the On-line Elongated Community?
-Sponsored by trueWeb Design and The Penny Page. Ask me how you can =
sponsor a chat.

If this goes well, we will have weekly chats with various topics. Please =
send me your topic ideas!

Q: How is this going to happen? Will I need special software?
A: Most everyone will already have the requirements. (See below). All =
you will need to do is go to the URL that will be announced later this =
week. There will also be a link to the chat page from The Penny Page.

*Requirements: Internet access, and a Java enabled browser like Internet =
Explorer 3.x or higher or Netscape 3.x or higher.

Q: Where can I get a Java enabled browser?
A: Get Internet Explorer at: www.microsoft.com/ie
Get Netscape at: www.home.netscape.com

Please email me with any other questions or comments! I'm very excited =
about this new feature....Stay tuned for more details.

The Penny Page....bringing new features on-line that everyone will be =
"chatting" about!

...
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http://truewebdesign.com/PennyPage
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<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>How Will Live Chat Benefit =
the=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>-Sponsored by trueWeb Design and The =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>*Requirements: Internet access, and =
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color=3D#000000>Java </FONT>enabled browser like Internet Explorer 3.x =
or higher=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Q: Where can I get a Java enabled browser?</DIV>
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Temporary address
Date: 29 Oct 1997 19:13:37 -0800 (PST)

On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Dixon, Jeff wrote:

> Congrats! What are you going to do for a job?

I'll be doing sales and engraving at two different Things
Remembered stores in the Antelope Valley Mall. Woo Hoo!

Aahz

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Subject: (elongates) Live Chat! - Saturday
Date: 29 Oct 1997 18:21:14 -0600

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This first chat room discussion will be:
Introductions to Using Chat
and...
How Will Live Chat Benefit the On-line Elongated Community?
-Sponsored by trueWeb Design and The Penny Page. Ask me how you can =
sponsor a chat.
=20
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send me your topic ideas!
=20
Q: How is this going to happen? Will I need special software?
A: Most everyone will already have the requirements. (See below). All =
you will need to do is go to the URL that will be announced later this =
week. There will also be a link to the chat page from The Penny Page.
=20
*Requirements: Internet access, and a Java enabled browser like Internet =
Explorer 3.x or higher or Netscape 3.x or higher.

Q: Where can I get a Java enabled browser?
A: Get Internet Explorer at: www.microsoft.com/ie
Get Netscape at: www.home.netscape.com

Please email me with any other questions or comments! I'm very excited =
about this new feature....Stay tuned for more details.
=20
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<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>How Will Live Chat Benefit =
the=20
On-line Elongated Community?</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>-Sponsored by trueWeb Design and The =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>
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from The=20
Penny Page.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>*Requirements: Internet access, and =
a <FONT=20
color=3D#000000>Java </FONT>enabled browser like Internet Explorer 3.x =
or higher=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Subject: (elongates) Chat Scheduled for Saturday Night!
Date: 29 Oct 1997 18:14:10 -0600

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This first chat room discussion will be:
Introductions to Using Chat
and...
How Will Live Chat Benefit the On-line Elongated Community?
-Sponsored by trueWeb Design and The Penny Page. Ask me how you can =
sponsor a chat.
=20
If this goes well, we will have weekly chats with various topics. Please =
send me your topic ideas!
=20
Q: How is this going to happen? Will I need special software?
A: Most everyone will already have the requirements. (See below). All =
you will need to do is go to the URL that will be announced later this =
week. There will also be a link to the chat page from The Penny Page.
=20
*Requirements: Internet access, and a Java enabled browser like Internet =
Explorer 3.x or higher or Netscape 3.x or higher.

Q: Where can I get a Java enabled browser?
A: Get Internet Explorer at: www.microsoft.com/ie
Get Netscape at: www.home.netscape.com

Please email me with any other questions or comments! I'm very excited =
about this new feature....Stay tuned for more details.
=20
The Penny Page....bringing new features on-line that everyone will be =
"chatting" about!

...
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http://truewebdesign.com/PennyPage
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>This first chat room <FONT=20
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<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Introductions to Using=20
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<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>How Will Live Chat Benefit =
the=20
On-line Elongated Community?</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>-Sponsored by trueWeb Design and The =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>If this goes well, we will have =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>Q: How is this =
going to=20
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have the=20
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from The=20
Penny Page.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>*Requirements: Internet access, and =
a <FONT=20
color=3D#000000>Java </FONT>enabled browser like Internet Explorer 3.x =
or higher=20
or Netscape 3.x or higher.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Q: Where can I get a Java enabled browser?</DIV>
<DIV>A: Get Internet Explorer at: <A=20
href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/ie">www.microsoft.com/ie</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Get Netscape at: <A=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>Please email me with any other questions or comments! =
I'm very=20
excited about this new feature....</FONT><FONT color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2>Stay tuned=20
for more details.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Date: 28 Oct 1997 20:49:01 -0600

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I might be travelling to Memphis in the next few weeks and want to know =
if anyone knows of any coins in that area. Are there any at Graceland?
Any help would be appreciated.

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) music and ec's
Date: 29 Oct 1997 19:31:15 -0000

Hello All,
I was going over some of this e-mail and I noticed this info on Zeke, Gomer
or Big Al playing an instrument.
I collect music related elongates and if anyone can get these coins or any
other music related ec's please let me know.
Gina zinful@prodigy.net

> >> The Bass Player from the Country Bear Jamboree - is his name
> >Zeke or Gomer?

> v. FS Zeke (Disney describes it as Zeke) playing an instrument....I
> called it a bass, Disney calls it a banjo....well....it has a long handle
> like a bass, and stands on the ground like a bass, but the instrument
> part is small like a banjo....oops. "Country Bear Jamboree" is a part of
> the border. "Magic Kingdom"
>
> v FS Big Al playing a guitar. "Coutnry Bear Jamboree" is a part of the
> border (rest of border are dots) "Magic Kingdom"
>
> Kenny Cottrell

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From: kjcottrell@juno.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Sorcerer Mickey Quarter
Date: 29 Oct 1997 22:41:17 -0500

On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:23:40 -0800 (PST) Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
writes:
>
> Many apologies. I wasn't very clear in my previous request
>for info on a WDW issued Sorcerer Mickey quarter. I'm currently looking

>for information on one that was NOT issued for either the 25th
Anniversary
>celebration or one of the Disneyana conventions.

What information do you want...it is the same design as the pennies that
are available with Sorcer Mickey on them (available at a Resort or two at
WDW and available at Disneyland).

Kenny Cottrell

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From: kjcottrell@juno.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Even more WDW ?s
Date: 29 Oct 1997 22:38:03 -0500

On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:05:36 -0700 (MST) Chris Aahz
<vmphntr@xmission.com> writes:

> I've never seen a Eurolink quad, but many other machine
>manufacturers make a quad. And since someone else had the DL contract
>before Eurolink came along, it's very possible someone had machines at
>WDW before Eurolink. (Which would also explain the report of someone
>getting an EC on their first trip to WDW in 1991!)

Walt Disney World reports the first penny pressers on their property in
1995.

Kenny Cottrell

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From: "..." <...>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Temporary address
Date: 29 Oct 1997 21:52:27 -0600

Does this mean we'll be seeing some Aahz Special Edition Elongated Engraved
Coins?

-Kathy

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>
>On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Dixon, Jeff wrote:
>
>> Congrats! What are you going to do for a job?
>
> I'll be doing sales and engraving at two different Things
>Remembered stores in the Antelope Valley Mall. Woo Hoo!
>
> Aahz
>

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Maine Location
Date: 29 Oct 1997 19:46:09 -0000

Hey Bert,
My roommate has some friends that went to Maine and they brought me back 7
different ec's from their trip. I'm sure one was that Rockport, Maine
penny you mentioned. I will check. Unfortunately, since I don't even know
these friends and didn't know if they were actually going to get me coins.
I don't have any info on locations and I sure they didn't even pay
attention. They don't collect, but I understand they had a great time
getting these coins for me. It became an obsession, a mission and they
ended up spending a whole day looking for machines!
Gina

> Here's a partial report for a penny machine in Maine. A friend (in
> Boston) sent me a Rockport, Maine penny. It is a harbor scene, and at the

> top it says "Motif No. 1." The bottom says "Rockport, MA."
> Bert



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