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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 24 Jul 1997 17:53:14 -0400 (EDT)

HI all;

Just did a little counting. If my math is correct, as of today, there are 74
cents, 3 nickels, and 9 quarters at Disneyland including the two hotels.
That's a lot of rolling!

-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 24 Jul 1997 15:02:37 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> Just did a little counting. If my math is correct, as of today, there are 74
> cents, 3 nickels, and 9 quarters at Disneyland including the two hotels.
> That's a lot of rolling!

No kidding! Especially when we're talking multiple sets. Thank
god they're automated! Well, I was planning on getting at least four
sets. That makes almost $200! ($199.76 for the purists). Wow, guess my
limit is definetly four sets. Combined with the other coins I plan on
picking up on the trip, I'm definetly gonna need more money!!

Peace,

Aahz

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: My articl in new TEC News (fwd)
Date: 24 Jul 1997 18:34:45 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> For those of you who enjoyed my article and wondered why it was
> not printed, here is the unsolicited reason from Corey Wylde, TEC
> editor. It's pretty much what I thought.

> From:WSons@aol.com
> To: aahz@svpal.org
> Subject: Re: New TEC News
>
> Chris- Thanks for the kudos. I believe you have an article pending on various
> elongated internet sites. I did not use it this issue because I didn't want
> to overwhelm our non-electronic members with barrels full of cyberspace. They
> have been the backbone of this club for years and are still the majority. The
> trend is changing tho. If you have any more sites to add to your artilce
> between now and the 1st of September, send them in.
>
> -Corey
>

Sorry Gang,
But this response doesn't make much sense to me. TEC knows that over 50
of it's newest members came from information posted on the Internet
(roughly 10% of active dues-paying members). It seems to me that the
"non-electronic members" could just skip this reading if it didn't
interest them... It's not like extra Internet news would be substituting
for the other EC news!... It would just supplement it! Oh well, while
the trend may not be changing as fast as many of us would like... at
least it IS changing :)

--Willy
TEC 1857

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Freebies
Date: 24 Jul 1997 18:41:33 -0700

Dear Chris (and all that may care),

It appears that the lack of a freebie coin with your TEC issue was an
oversight.
Please don't get discouraged with TEC, you just seem to be having an
unusual string of bad luck :(

I just received my TEC Newsletter today! The Free coin with my issue
was on of RR's coins depicting a train (its one from his set of 20
different trains that Bill Grencavich had engraved for him a year or so
ago.)

Just thought you might like to know.

--Willy
TEC 1857

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Freebies
Date: 24 Jul 1997 16:05:16 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Dear Chris (and all that may care),
>
> It appears that the lack of a freebie coin with your TEC issue was an
> oversight.

It's good to know that this practice has not been stopped for
some reason. This was my primary concern. More than likely, my freebie
simply escaped somewhere in the mail.

> Please don't get discouraged with TEC, you just seem to be having an
> unusual string of bad luck :(

I'm not. I still love TEC! I only complain about the things I
like 8-) If I was discouraged I would just leave it behind. Better that
these things happen to someone as obsessed as myself then someone who is
borderline. Things happen. It's all part of life's grand pageant...

Peace,

Aahz

~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~
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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Jul 1997 17:49:29 -0000

Hello to all,
I am new to the list and just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Gina
and I live in Costa Mesa, CA although I won't be here long. In Sept I
will be a student again (Loma Linda University) and will have to move
closer to campus.

I have been collecting elongated coins for at least 13-15 years. Since I
only recently became a 'serious collector' my collection is not huge by any
means.

My collection mainly consists of souvenir coins, but I want to acquire
others.

One of my main interests is music, if anyone has any music or musician
related coins please let me know.

Also I have a trade list, so if anyone wants to see it just e-mail.

One more thing before i go (Chris has asked as well as others) I not only
am interested in elongated and music (among other things) I also am quite
fond of wine (red wine) particulary zinfandel.

Until more,
Gina TEC #2109

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) MY Internet article intended for TEC News
Date: 24 Jul 1997 19:42:26 -0700

On 7/24/97 3:37 AM William C. Massey (massey@clark.net ) wrote

>And as for the lack of Freebies in this issue... I hope you were the
>only one not to get an elongated with the issue. I have yet to NOT get
>a coin with my TEC News... sometimes they even send two! And while I'm
>on this subject: The freebie with the next issue will be quite
>nice!!!! It's a coin I'm making for artist, Lurene Haines. It depicts
>a heart with wings and a halo, and reads: "Practice Random Acts of
>Kindness". Lurene is a true humanitarian and has graciously offered to
>donate enough coins for all TEC members (all of the coins given away
>with the TEC Newsletter are donated by TEC members)

Free coins? If I had not seen this email I would not have known I was
missing something! It does not even appear there was a coin attached (no
putty, etc.). What was on the coin?

Bert Creighton
TEC#2095

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello Everyone!
Date: 24 Jul 1997 23:55:47 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-24 18:44:08 EDT, you write:

<< I could buy them. If there is any info on thes Zodiac penies...please
let me
> know...

Well, I posted this to The Penny Page, but I'll repeat it here as well:
check out http://members.aol.com/BKornoleje/index.html Bill's got some
Zodiacs available. It is important to note, however, that there have
been numerous zodiac sets issued. I have a Gemini with a couple
copulating and have seen a set with the name and symbol at the top, a
line drawing of the standard picture in the center, and the dates and
planet symbol at the bottom. What do yours look like. >>

My Zodiac pennies have a ring of stars around the edge. The picture is
verticaly alined with the sign's symbol, name, dates, picture, and planetary
symbol on the botom. I would love to get a Leo and Tarus!
Thanks for the info...and by the way...I am willing to trade the
strainge/unknown coins that I posted about previously.
Liz

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) MY Internet article intended for TEC News
Date: 25 Jul 1997 00:17:50 -0700

Bert Creighton wrote:

> Free coins? If I had not seen this email I would not have known I was
> missing something! It does not even appear there was a coin attached (no
> putty, etc.).

The TEC freebies come in a small envelope that is stapled into the
Newsletters when they are stapled closed for mailing.
--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

*** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** *

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 25 Jul 1997 00:32:38 -0400 (EDT)

Hey are there any Star Treck or other Sci-Fi orientated elongates out there?
I would love to get them! Also I have a pennie that is not elongated...it
was re-stamped with a new designe...but still in a circle...I got it from
Utah. One side says "DINOSAUR LAND . UTAH" with a fosilized dino print in
the center. The other side has a picture of a t-rex and says tyrannosaurus
on it. Any info on this?? I got it near Dinosaur National Monument in
Utah/Wyhoming....
Liz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 24 Jul 1997 21:36:23 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997 Egd9020@aol.com wrote:

> Hey are there any Star Treck or other Sci-Fi orientated elongates out there?

I'm sure there are, but I haven't come across them yet.
Paramount's Great America has Star Trek as one of its main themes, but
has not installed a ST penny yet. I recommended it, and got a "thank
you, we'll consider it" note in response. If it shows up, you'll be the
first I tell.

> I would love to get them! Also I have a pennie that is not elongated...it
> was re-stamped with a new designe...but still in a circle...I got it from
> Utah. One side says "DINOSAUR LAND . UTAH" with a fosilized dino print in
> the center. The other side has a picture of a t-rex and says tyrannosaurus
> on it. Any info on this?? I got it near Dinosaur National Monument in
> Utah/Wyhoming....

Are you sure it was a penny to begin with and is not simply a
token made of the same materials in the same size? If it is actually a
modified penny, then it is what is called a counter-stamp. Sounds pretty
cool either way.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 25 Jul 1997 00:55:30 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 00:53:17 EDT, you write:

<< I would love to get them! Also I have a pennie that is not
elongated...it
> was re-stamped with a new designe...but still in a circle...I got it from
> Utah. One side says "DINOSAUR LAND . UTAH" with a fosilized dino print
in
> the center. The other side has a picture of a t-rex and says
tyrannosaurus
> on it. Any info on this?? I got it near Dinosaur National Monument in
> Utah/Wyhoming....

Are you sure it was a penny to begin with and is not simply a
token made of the same materials in the same size? If it is actually a
modified penny, then it is what is called a counter-stamp. Sounds pretty
cool either way.
>>
I am sure it used to be a pennie because I put the pennie in the machine my
self!! I have done a lot of traveling!!!

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 24 Jul 1997 21:58:00 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997 Egd9020@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-07-25 00:53:17 EDT, you write:
>
> > Also I have a pennie that is not elongated...it
> > was re-stamped with a new designe...but still in a circle...
>
> Are you sure it was a penny to begin with and is not simply a

> I am sure it used to be a pennie because I put the pennie in the machine my
> self!! I have done a lot of traveling!!!

Well, then that would be a counter-stamp. I've never heard of a
counterstamping machine before. Anyone else seen these anywhere?

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 24 Jul 1997 22:06:29 -0700

Greetings,

I'd love to get an exact location of the tyrannosaurus machine. Do you
have any more info I could use to track it down?

Also, there's a new Star Trek theme area opened (or opening) at the Las
Vegas Hilton. I wonder if they have any coins there? You might just call
them and see (and let me know what you find, thanks!)...

Bert

On 7/24/97 9:55 PM Egd9020@aol.com (Egd9020@aol.com ) wrote

>In a message dated 97-07-25 00:53:17 EDT, you write:
>
><< I would love to get them! Also I have a pennie that is not
>elongated...it
> > was re-stamped with a new designe...but still in a circle...I got it from
> > Utah. One side says "DINOSAUR LAND . UTAH" with a fosilized dino print
>in
> > the center. The other side has a picture of a t-rex and says
>tyrannosaurus
> > on it. Any info on this?? I got it near Dinosaur National Monument in
> > Utah/Wyhoming....
>
> Are you sure it was a penny to begin with and is not simply a
> token made of the same materials in the same size? If it is actually a
> modified penny, then it is what is called a counter-stamp. Sounds pretty
> cool either way.
> >>
>I am sure it used to be a pennie because I put the pennie in the machine my
>self!! I have done a lot of traveling!!!

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 24 Jul 1997 22:01:18 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Also, there's a new Star Trek theme area opened (or opening) at the Las
> Vegas Hilton. I wonder if they have any coins there? You might just call
> them and see (and let me know what you find, thanks!)...

Nikki (tink!!!) is in Vegas now, I believe. Perhaps she will have some
info (and some to trade) when she returns next week.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~
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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 25 Jul 1997 01:02:49 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 01:00:37 EDT, you write:

<< > Also I have a pennie that is not elongated...it
> > was re-stamped with a new designe...but still in a circle...
>
> Are you sure it was a penny to begin with and is not simply a

> I am sure it used to be a pennie because I put the pennie in the machine
my
> self!! I have done a lot of traveling!!!

Well, then that would be a counter-stamp. I've never heard of a
counterstamping machine before. Anyone else seen these anywhere?
>>

I guess this makes my Dinosaur Utah counter-stamp unique!
I think I will hold onto it for a wile!

Liz

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 25 Jul 1997 01:10:24 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 01:01:47 EDT, you write:

<<
I'd love to get an exact location of the tyrannosaurus machine. Do you
have any more info I could use to track it down?
>>

Ok...the machine is in Vernal, Utah...I can't remember the name of the place
it is in,but it was a chessy dianosaur park...with life-sized moldles of
dinasaurs. This was about 2 years...... You might find it!
Good Luck!
Liz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 24 Jul 1997 22:23:50 -0700

Liz,

Do you have access to a computer scanner that you could get a picture of
this penny and get it up on the web for everyone to see. I would be happy
to put it on my web site and give you the proper credit.

Bert

On 7/24/97 10:02 PM Egd9020@aol.com (Egd9020@aol.com ) wrote

>I guess this makes my Dinosaur Utah counter-stamp unique!
>I think I will hold onto it for a wile!
>
>Liz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) CounterStamped URL
Date: 24 Jul 1997 22:33:30 -0700

Liz And All,

The location of this machine appears to be at URL:

http://www.sisna.com/vernal/

I will pursue (that's what we Location Keepers do, pursue) this and see
where it leads...

Bert
Smashed Coin Locator
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html

On 7/24/97 10:10 PM Egd9020@aol.com (Egd9020@aol.com ) wrote

>Ok...the machine is in Vernal, Utah...I can't remember the name of the place
>it is in,but it was a chessy dianosaur park...with life-sized moldles of
>dinasaurs. This was about 2 years...... You might find it!
>Good Luck!
>Liz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) CounterStamped URL
Date: 24 Jul 1997 22:33:11 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> The location of this machine appears to be at URL:
>
> http://www.sisna.com/vernal/
>

<checking watch> Now THAT's what I call fast service!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Jul 1997 22:41:26 -0700

Gina,

Greetings and welcome to the list! It is great having another Southern
California collector online with us (I'm in San Diego).

I wanted to be sure you knew about the 1st meeting of the list members (a
few of us that is) at Disneyland on September 7th (which is also
Grandparents day). We hope you can join us for our 1st meeting, where we
will have some fun/food, trading and story telling about our
collections...

Recently Chris Aahz posted a message on the Top 10 Locations That Need
Smashed Coin Machines. Perhaps we should start a top 10 list of Wineries
and Vinyards that need a machine!

Anyway, it is good to have you on the list. Hope you can join us on the
7th (a Sunday).

Bert Creighton
TEC#2095

On 7/24/97 10:49 AM zinful (zinful@prodigy.net ) wrote

>Hello to all,
>I am new to the list and just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Gina
>and I live in Costa Mesa, CA although I won't be here long. In Sept I
>will be a student again (Loma Linda University) and will have to move
>closer to campus.
>
>I have been collecting elongated coins for at least 13-15 years. Since I
>only recently became a 'serious collector' my collection is not huge by any
>means.
>
>My collection mainly consists of souvenir coins, but I want to acquire
>others.
>
>One of my main interests is music, if anyone has any music or musician
>related coins please let me know.
>
>Also I have a trade list, so if anyone wants to see it just e-mail.
>
>One more thing before i go (Chris has asked as well as others) I not only
>am interested in elongated and music (among other things) I also am quite
>fond of wine (red wine) particulary zinfandel.
>
>Until more,
>Gina TEC #2109

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) MY Internet article intended for TEC News
Date: 24 Jul 1997 21:31:32 -0000

I have not received my TEC news as of yet (7/24) but the last news I
received was also without a free coin . It had an envelope which was
sealed and stapled to the news but nothing was in it. Oh well I can't
complain when i first goined TEC I received quite a few freebies with my
first news issue.
Gina TEC #2109

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> From: William C. Massey <massey@clark.net>
> To: elongates@mail.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: (elongates) MY Internet article intended for TEC News
> Date: Friday, July 25, 1997 7:17 AM
>
> Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> > Free coins? If I had not seen this email I would not have known I was
> > missing something! It does not even appear there was a coin attached
(no
> > putty, etc.).
>
> The TEC freebies come in a small envelope that is stapled into the
> Newsletters when they are stapled closed for mailing.
> --
> Elongatedly Yours,
>
> William C. Massey
> TEC #1857
>
> *** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** *
>
> P.S.
> Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
> http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Jul 1997 22:43:27 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Recently Chris Aahz posted a message on the Top 10 Locations That Need
> Smashed Coin Machines. Perhaps we should start a top 10 list of Wineries
> and Vinyards that need a machine!

Well, I am surrounded by wineries (Napa Valley, Saratoga,
Livermore, Lodi "The White Zinfandel Capitol of the World") and have
delivered packages to several of them. Not a single one has had a penny
machine 8-( Of course, since I ask every time I'm at each one, perhaps
this will change 8-)

Peace,

Aahz

~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~
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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Regarding New Coin Locations
Date: 24 Jul 1997 22:57:43 -0700

Hi,

I know someone that can change this, if the traffic load will justify
putting in a machine.

I will be happy to pass on locations, if there are reasonable (you be the
judge) numbers of people going to the location... Please send emails to
me at creightoniii@home.com and I will forward on...

Bert
(I'm not trying to act as a middleman, just protecting the privacy of a
friend until they are ready to go online. bc)

On 7/24/97 10:43 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>
>On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
>> Recently Chris Aahz posted a message on the Top 10 Locations That Need
>> Smashed Coin Machines. Perhaps we should start a top 10 list of Wineries
>> and Vinyards that need a machine!
>
> Well, I am surrounded by wineries (Napa Valley, Saratoga,
>Livermore, Lodi "The White Zinfandel Capitol of the World") and have
>delivered packages to several of them. Not a single one has had a penny
>machine 8-( Of course, since I ask every time I'm at each one, perhaps
>this will change 8-)

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Jul 1997 21:57:53 -0000

Hey excellent idea with the wineries. I would love to see them at these
locations. The only thing about that is all of the smashed coin machines
are in locations where there are a lot of kids. But they don't have to be,
do they?
Gina
TEC #2109
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> From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
> To: elongates@mail.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
> Date: Friday, July 25, 1997 5:43 AM
>
>
> On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> > Recently Chris Aahz posted a message on the Top 10 Locations That Need
> > Smashed Coin Machines. Perhaps we should start a top 10 list of
Wineries
> > and Vinyards that need a machine!
>
> Well, I am surrounded by wineries (Napa Valley, Saratoga,
> Livermore, Lodi "The White Zinfandel Capitol of the World") and have
> delivered packages to several of them. Not a single one has had a penny
> machine 8-( Of course, since I ask every time I'm at each one, perhaps
> this will change 8-)
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 25 Jul 1997 02:16:50 -0700

zinful wrote:
>
> Hey excellent idea with the wineries. I would love to see them at these
> locations. The only thing about that is all of the smashed coin machines
> are in locations where there are a lot of kids. But they don't have to be,
> do they?

I've heard that Eurolink won't even consider a location unless foot
traffic is 3 million per year! For the other makers... I have no Idea.
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Jul 1997 23:14:16 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, zinful wrote:

>
> Hey excellent idea with the wineries. I would love to see them at these
> locations. The only thing about that is all of the smashed coin machines
> are in locations where there are a lot of kids. But they don't have to be,
> do they?

Apparently you haven't been to Napa. Kids are everywhere at the
wineries. With basically nothing to do while their parents get slowly
sloshed.

Besides, in my experience far more adults actually waste their
money on these little trinkets....um..er...I mean...purchase these tiny
works of art, then kids. I alawys assumed it was the reverse as well,
but experience in and around San Francisco has shown me otherwise.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: (elongates) Trade List
Date: 24 Jul 1997 22:14:13 -0000

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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Hello,
Well I am going to attempt to post my list. I hope it goes through O.K.
because I have had some problems on the receiving end. Let me know and if
anyone needs any details on any of the coins let me know as well.

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: (elongates) the stamped penny issue
Date: 25 Jul 1997 03:14:44 -0700

I have a friend in AZ, who sent me such a token. They are minted much
like coins or medals, only they use cents as planchets instead of blank
planchets.

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From: "tink!!!" <dvlgrl66hatesspam@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 25 Jul 1997 00:48:03 -0700

> On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> > Also, there's a new Star Trek theme area opened (or opening) at
> > the Las Vegas Hilton. I wonder if they have any coins there? You
> > might just call them and see (and let me know what you find,
> > thanks!)...
>
> Nikki (tink!!!) is in Vegas now, I believe. Perhaps she
> will have some info (and some to trade) when she returns next week.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

yA-hAH!!! checking my mail one last timebefore heading off in the AM
(why am i getting up early on my bday???) anyways, i 'll check it out;>

pax!!!
nikki
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16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f-- - s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 25 Jul 1997 05:43:41 -0700

zinful wrote:

> One of my main interests is music, if anyone has any music or musician
> related coins please let me know.

Gina,
Henry Bessler (TEC 1068) has a couple of music related elongated coins:
one is of Jazz legends, and one is a hipster-dude playing and upright
bass.
He can be reached at:
Henry Bessler
40 Hilltop Dr.
Burlington, Mass 01803
617-272--4688

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Painting Elongates
Date: 25 Jul 1997 07:12:32 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
> Well, I painted my first elongate last night. I tried three
> different types of markers that I hadlying around, but none worked

Try fingernail polish. One of the offerings at the 1993 ANA Baltimore
convention featured a crab painted in red enamel. I think it was
fingernail polish. Looks neat!

The annual enamelled TEC badges are (or have been) done by SilverTowne,
and they do a nice job. Same process as their other enamelled stuff.
These badges are available by subscription only so watch _TEC News_ for
when they are offered. I bought one at auction one year for about
double the subscription price, and glad of it.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
TEC #1871
rfritsch@concentric.net

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: (elongates) San Diego Machine
Date: 25 Jul 1997 08:10:17 -0400

Bert,

There used to be a machine beside the Coyote Cafe in Old Town, featuring
an Old Town theme. Since I haven't been to SD for years, it may be
gone, but I wouldn't bet on it. Might be a good item to check out and
add to your list.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
TEC #1871
rfritsch@concentric.net

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: (elongates) Naming the Owl
Date: 25 Jul 1997 08:23:14 -0400

I also don't know if the Owl has a name, other than Athena's Owl. It's
the same as the one on the Athenian Tetradrachm of ancient Greece. In
their mythology, the owl flew around the world every night gathering
news of what was happening.

If we don't have a name for it, I suggest a contest to NAME THE OWL.
No, don't put your ideas on the net immediately in a rush of
enthusiasm! To give all TEC members a chance, it must be done through
announcement in _TEC News_, with definite dates for start and finish. I
would be glad to serve as the contest chairman and would take input by
any means (E-Mail, SnailMail, Pony Express...). The Board could serve
as the judges.

How about it, Mr. President?

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
TEC #1871
rfritsch@concentric.net

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: (elongates) Re: Disney World penny set
Date: 25 Jul 1997 09:10:08 -0400

Here's the update from Big Al

- Jeff

>From: "Big Al & Pooh Too!" <ramsayal@ix.netcom.com>
>To: "Jeff Dixon" <jeffd@rosemary.kurzweil.com>
>Subject: Re: Disney World penny set
>Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:17:13 -0400
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>
>Hi Jeff!
>
>Good to hear from you again. Here is what I will do for you and your
>group.
>I will only charge one fee of $300 for all 6 sets. Since I will get them
>all at once, it will save me time and if you split it six ways, it will
>save each of you money too.
>However, I will have to charge some extra shipping to cover the 5 extra
>sets of pennies. I can give you an exact amount if you give me your zip
>code where I will send the pressed pennies.
>
>Also, I do not put the pennies in any kind of covers or protectors. If you
>wish me to do so after they have been pressed, you need to send the covers
>or protectors along with the pennies.
>
[snip]
>Looking forward to hearing from you soon!
>Your Friend in the Parks,
>Big Al
>
>http://www.netcom.com/~ramsayal/disney.html
>
>
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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 25 Jul 1997 09:17:35 -0400

74 cents. Whoa. I guess I should count how many I have. Where's the
current list again?

- Jeff
At 03:02 PM 7/24/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Just did a little counting. If my math is correct, as of today, there
are 74
>> cents, 3 nickels, and 9 quarters at Disneyland including the two hotels.
>> That's a lot of rolling!
>
> No kidding! Especially when we're talking multiple sets. Thank
>god they're automated! Well, I was planning on getting at least four
>sets. That makes almost $200! ($199.76 for the purists). Wow, guess my
>limit is definetly four sets. Combined with the other coins I plan on
>picking up on the trip, I'm definetly gonna need more money!!
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
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>
>
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From: James Henry <jameshenry@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Disney World penny set
Date: 25 Jul 1997 08:19:12 -0500

Sounds good to me. Of course you know he will probably make more sets
now and make up the difference with someone later down the raod.

Janelle

Send him my address at:

Janelle Henry
13231 179 1/2 Ave
Elk River, MN 55330

Let me know what I owe for all this so I can get the money to you.

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: (elongates) Disney World penny set - clarification
Date: 25 Jul 1997 11:06:22 -0400

>From: "Big Al & Pooh Too!" <ramsayal@ix.netcom.com>
>To: "Jeff Dixon" <jeffd@rosemary.kurzweil.com>
>Subject: Re: Disney World penny set
>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:04:14 -0400
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>
>Good Morning!
>
>I sent an e-mail to you last night in regards to your pressed pennies. I
>wanted to send a follow up e-mail to clarify something that I didn't make
>clear. The fee for getting the pennies is $300. The cost of just the
>pennies for 6 sets is $603. So the actual total for 6 sets is $903 plus
>whatever the extra shipping is. (I just need your zip code and If the
>extra shipping is less than $5 extra then I won't charge extra). Basically
>when you and your group split the cost, each will be paying $50 instead of
>$200 as I normally charge per set.
>
>Any questions, let me know....
>Your Friend in the Parks,
>Big Al
>
>http://www.netcom.com/~ramsayal/disney.html
>
>
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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Utah Dinoasur stamped pennie
Date: 25 Jul 1997 11:41:40 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 04:23:52 EDT, you write:

<<
Liz,

Do you have access to a computer scanner that you could get a picture of
this penny and get it up on the web for everyone to see. I would be happy
to put it on my web site and give you the proper credit.

Bert
>>

I don't have access to a scaner..but I do have a camera....I have been
planing on photographing my collection. I can send you a picture of this
pennie..both sides...and you could do the scanning...
BTW, now that I remember the machine didn't take pennies...there was a tube
at the top of the machine containing what looked like pennies...so it only
cost you $0.50, not the usual $0.51.... :) If I remember anything
else..i'll let you all know...
Liz

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From: Pete Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New TEC News
Date: 24 Jul 1997 16:24:00 PDT

I'm with you, Willy.
If they do care about the squished community, they wouldn't show it at the
price of $20 or whatever. Not to be tooting horns, but I feel if the SPM
newsletter, the Centinel, is worth well over its cover price of free, so what
do THEY give you for your $20? I have a feeling the only "memory" I'll have
is that of the $20 that I squandered by joining them.

Pete
proud TEC #2110

William C. Massey wrote:
>
> Chris Aahz wrote:
> >
> > > > He also mentions a new elongate club in Virginia, but doesn't give
any contact
> > >
> > > That would be Copper Memories. They make the vending type machines for
> >
> > Not that I doubt you, Willy. But do you know this for sure, or
> > are just assuming based on location?
>
> This is FACT! I received thier flyer in the mail last week... It's now
> in my circular file with the rest of my annoying junk mail.
>
> --Willy

I feel the need to reply to my own message and explain my seemingly
harsh remarks:
Copper Memories is listed as grossing over $2.5 million annually, at the
expense of our elongated collecting community. They are well aware of
TEC, yet instead of aiding collectors by publishing their informaion in
the TEC Newsletter (free of charge), they feel the need to milk us out
of money just so that we can find their machines and BUY their
products.

--Willy

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From: Pete Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com>
Subject: (elongates) Hello
Date: 24 Jul 1997 16:18:00 PDT

Oh, I'm sure you'll find plenty o' traffic here! Welcome back to collecting.

Pete

Hi,
I've just subscribed to this list. Just wanted to say "hello".
I've been collecting for, oh, around 10 years now. I haven't been very
active lately, though maybe this list will help. Well, that's all for
now. I hope to see some traffic here.

Matt Birchard
TEC# 1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail: psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) CounterStamped URL
Date: 25 Jul 1997 11:46:12 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 03:17:45 EDT, you write:

<<
Liz And All,

The location of this machine appears to be at URL:

http://www.sisna.com/vernal/

I will pursue (that's what we Location Keepers do, pursue) this and see
where it leads...
>>
Yup....that is the place...go to the Dinosaur Gardens link...that is the
place...The machine is right outside the gift shop! It's kinda neet...I was
there 2 years ago and now I can go back and vist any old day! Gota love the
web!

Liz

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Utah Dinoasur stamped pennie
Date: 25 Jul 1997 11:46:48 -0400

Wow! A tube! That sounds pretty neat. Has anyone else seen a machine
like that one?
I would be curious to see what it looks like.

- Jeff

At 11:41 AM 7/25/97 -0400, Egd9020@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 97-07-25 04:23:52 EDT, you write:
>
><<
> Liz,
>
> Do you have access to a computer scanner that you could get a picture of
> this penny and get it up on the web for everyone to see. I would be happy
> to put it on my web site and give you the proper credit.
>
> Bert
> >>
>
>I don't have access to a scaner..but I do have a camera....I have been
>planing on photographing my collection. I can send you a picture of this
>pennie..both sides...and you could do the scanning...
>BTW, now that I remember the machine didn't take pennies...there was a tube
>at the top of the machine containing what looked like pennies...so it only
>cost you $0.50, not the usual $0.51.... :) If I remember anything
>else..i'll let you all know...
>Liz
>
>
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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New TEC News
Date: 25 Jul 1997 11:47:53 -0400

What if one person buys it and then puts the thing on the mailing list?

- Jeff
At 04:24 PM 7/24/97 PDT, you wrote:
>I'm with you, Willy.
>If they do care about the squished community, they wouldn't show it at the
>price of $20 or whatever. Not to be tooting horns, but I feel if the SPM
>newsletter, the Centinel, is worth well over its cover price of free, so
what
>do THEY give you for your $20? I have a feeling the only "memory" I'll have
>is that of the $20 that I squandered by joining them.
>
>Pete
>proud TEC #2110
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>William C. Massey wrote:
>>
>> Chris Aahz wrote:
>> >
>> > > > He also mentions a new elongate club in Virginia, but doesn't give
>any contact
>> > >
>> > > That would be Copper Memories. They make the vending type machines for
>> >
>> > Not that I doubt you, Willy. But do you know this for sure, or
>> > are just assuming based on location?
>>
>> This is FACT! I received thier flyer in the mail last week... It's now
>> in my circular file with the rest of my annoying junk mail.
>>
>> --Willy
>
>I feel the need to reply to my own message and explain my seemingly
>harsh remarks:
>Copper Memories is listed as grossing over $2.5 million annually, at the
>expense of our elongated collecting community. They are well aware of
>TEC, yet instead of aiding collectors by publishing their informaion in
>the TEC Newsletter (free of charge), they feel the need to milk us out
>of money just so that we can find their machines and BUY their
>products.
>
>--Willy
>
>
>
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Naming the Owl
Date: 25 Jul 1997 09:02:55 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:

> I also don't know if the Owl has a name, other than Athena's Owl. It's
> the same as the one on the Athenian Tetradrachm of ancient Greece. In
> their mythology, the owl flew around the world every night gathering
> news of what was happening.

Wow! Yet again I get an answer before asking the question. I
just saw an ad for a book on ancients and there was the TEC Owl on the
cover!! Okay, okay, it was a picture of the Athenian Tetradrachm, but I
didn't know that when I saw the ad last night. Anyone know how expensive
these coins are? I'd like to add one to my collection of TEC coins.

> If we don't have a name for it, I suggest a contest to NAME THE OWL.
> No, don't put your ideas on the net immediately in a rush of
> enthusiasm! To give all TEC members a chance, it must be done through
> announcement in _TEC News_, with definite dates for start and finish. I
> would be glad to serve as the contest chairman and would take input by
> any means (E-Mail, SnailMail, Pony Express...). The Board could serve
> as the judges.

Well, I decided on a name for him last night, but will hold off
announcing my choice. Bob's got a great idea here. Perhaps someone
attending the meeiting could bring it up there. I have also forwarded
Bob's message to both Corey and Rocky.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 25 Jul 1997 09:05:53 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> 74 cents. Whoa. I guess I should count how many I have. Where's the
> current list again?
>
> - Jeff

David Tomita's new web page for the Disneyland pressed pennies is:

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/3599

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Copper Memories
Date: 25 Jul 1997 09:13:56 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Pete Morelewicz wrote:

> I'm with you, Willy.
> If they do care about the squished community, they wouldn't show it at the

They're a corp. By definition they care not about any community
except the community of numbers on their bottom line.

> price of $20 or whatever. Not to be tooting horns, but I feel if the SPM
> newsletter, the Centinel, is worth well over its cover price of free, so what
> do THEY give you for your $20?

The Centinel is worth FAR more than its cover price, Pete!

> I have a feeling the only "memory" I'll have
> is that of the $20 that I squandered by joining them.

Personally, I think we should buy one 'membership' and then we
can simply share the information. I'm all for philosphical points.
Hell, I boycott all kinds of business because thier goal is to rip
someone off, but I still think the information is valuable. If we really
want to hurt them, the way to do so would be to not only refrain from
joining their 'club', but to stop buying their pennies and encourage
others to not do so. If anyone's not willing to go that far, then I
think we need the information. Now, all I need is that address...

Peace,

Aahz

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) StarTreck/Sci-Fi Elongates??
Date: 25 Jul 1997 12:28:11 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 01:00:37 EDT, you write:

> Well, then that would be a counter-stamp. I've never heard of a
> counterstamping machine before. Anyone else seen these anywhere?
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>

Yes, I have one from the Hoover Dam. It was made in a screw press while I
waited. The machine produced a "token" a little larger in diameter and about
a third less the thickness of a cent. Neat machine! Very high quality
"token".

Location: On the opposite side of the dam from the tour site. Located in
front of a small tourist shop (the only tourist shop), an easy walk from the
dam.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033

P.S. No, sorry, I didn't get any trades. Man, I wish I had and next time I'm
there I surely will. At the time, I didn't know people traded elongateds!
(Opps, called myself stupid twice in one paragraph! Better get back to work
and let someone else takeover that job. :-)

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 25 Jul 1997 12:28:05 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 04:27:19 EDT, you write:

> I've heard that Eurolink won't even consider a location unless foot
> traffic is 3 million per year! For the other makers... I have no Idea.
>

When in Cambria, CA this last week, I asked many merchants if they had a
machine. Some said that a salesman had been through looking to locate a
machine in their shop. The merchants said they didn't have the "space" for
one! I didn't ask the name of the company or if it was a "share" program
or outright sale.

I doubt that Eurolink would place a machine there. I don't think the town
even has a fast food resturant! Although it is a very nice community.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 25 Jul 1997 12:30:35 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 09:28:15 EDT, you write:

> 74 cents. Whoa. I guess I should count how many I have. Where's the
> current list again?
>

Dave's page is a good one at:

https://web.archive.org/web/20010414053649/http://www.geocities.com:80/TheTropics/Shores/3599/

Maybe another member of the list could add another site?

-Bob Hoff
TEC# 2033

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Utah, Dino Machine
Date: 25 Jul 1997 09:50:01 -0700 (PDT)

Just got off the phone with the folks at the Dinosaur Museum in
Vernal, UT. According to the girl I spoke with the machine produces a
half-dollar size token and the cost is $1.00. She did not have the
name/contact info of the company, but promised to leave that info on my
voice mail later today. If she comes thru then I will post the info
tonight.

Don't know if this is actually the same machine that we've been
talking about, but it's the only one they've got int the park according
to the girl I spoke with (although she didn't seem incredibly
knowledgeable about many things).

The address of the museum is:

Dinosaur Museum
235 E. Main
Vernal, UT 84078

I called the 800 number listed on their web page (800) 845-DINO,
but the direct number to the museum itself is (801) 789-3799.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 25 Jul 1997 09:53:38 -0700 (PDT)

With all thius discussion of how much traffic Eurolink requires
in order to install a machine, I just have to wonder how the little town
of Solvang, CA managed to get three of them!

Peace,

Aahz

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On Fri, 25 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-07-25 04:27:19 EDT, you write:
>
> > I've heard that Eurolink won't even consider a location unless foot
> > traffic is 3 million per year! For the other makers... I have no Idea.
> >
>
> When in Cambria, CA this last week, I asked many merchants if they had a
> machine. Some said that a salesman had been through looking to locate a
> machine in their shop. The merchants said they didn't have the "space" for
> one! I didn't ask the name of the company or if it was a "share" program
> or outright sale.
>
> I doubt that Eurolink would place a machine there. I don't think the town
> even has a fast food resturant! Although it is a very nice community.
>
>
> -Bob Hoff
> TEC#2033
>
>

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From: Matthew Birchard <psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 25 Jul 1997 10:32:34 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Pete Morelewicz wrote:

> Oh, I'm sure you'll find plenty o' traffic here! Welcome back to collecting.
>
> Pete

My god yes! This is not the only list I'm on, as I've said, but this
list is by FAR the most active. Let's see, I deleted 54 messages last
night. Keep'em coming!

Matt Birchard
TEC #1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail: psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 25 Jul 1997 10:49:07 -0700

Greetings,

Let's see, the exact locations of those 3 Solvang machines would be:

Macine #1 ______
Macine #2 ______
Macine #3 ______

Location Keeper

On 7/25/97 9:53 AM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

> With all thius discussion of how much traffic Eurolink requires
>in order to install a machine, I just have to wonder how the little town
>of Solvang, CA managed to get three of them!
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: (elongates) The final WDW set amounts
Date: 25 Jul 1997 13:50:14 -0400

(Sorry to send this to the list -- I can't remember off the top of my
head who is getting the sets)

Here's the rundown for WDW penny sets:

201 * .50 = 105.50 + 50.00 (for Al) = $<bold>155.50</bold>/set

If you don't send me pennies - then it will cost you 201*.01 = $2.01
extra for a total of $<bold>157.51</bold>/set.

My address:

Jeff Dixon

422 Mystic Ave #404

Somerville, MA 02145

I'll eat the cost of extra shipping - as long as it stays inexpensive.
We'll have to see.

Lets try to send out the package to Big Al a week from now. If there are
people that can't come up with the money

before then, please e-mail me.

- Jeff

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Software Engineer

Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com

411 Waverley Oaks Road

Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: My articl in new TEC News (fwd)
Date: 25 Jul 1997 12:45:03 -0700

Greetings,

I want to express my strong support for TEC News publishing articles on
the changing nature of our hobby - specifically the elongated information
(via electronic communications) many of us are using.

The computer is basically a communications tool, as is a letter or a
phone. Through email, web pages and listservs we are bringing our
discussions of elongates into a more real time world, the way we all work
and live. As a collector, I want to have a ready source of information
(and experience) that I can consult for new locations, info on older
coins, help in finding engravers, etc. The worldwide web, and email, are
providing new capabilities for us to share our experience AND to archive
it, so that new people coming into our hobby can see a wealth of
information.

I used ...'s Bulletin Board to learn many things about the hobby
and to find other collectors (both in TEC and outside) that I could talk
to, and trade with. Now we have Chris Aahz's Mailing List, various
Location Keeper's Web Sites, Kathy's Web Site + BBoard, and email
communications.

These new electronic tools are bringing new members into TEC and into the
hobby. I have received emails from people that were searching the net for
Disneyland sites and found my Disneyland Smashed Coin page. They had no
idea others were out there collecting and trading. I get emails all the
time saying "I thought I was eccentric for collecting these, but now I
found out there are many others out there..."

Just after joining TEC (#2095) I wrote to Howard Sharkey (TEC Secretary)
to ask for a template so that I could write an article (Yup, on the new
electronic forms of sharing and growing our hobby). Chris beat me to it
and did a better job! I also asked Howard about publishing (with each
members permission) TEC member's email addresses (in the TEC NEWS) so we
can communicate much faster than regular mail (which I find is both
slower and more time consuming).

In no way do I want to overwhelm any current TEC members. But well
written articles that explain what email, worldwide web and listserv's
can do, how they work, etc are the best way to share with non-online
members what is going on. I'd love to see a full page of TEC NEWS opened
up to electronic articles (background pieces, interesting stories, how
to's, etc). Example: Recently a famous artist was at my Smashed Coin
Locator site and found some information that lead them to order some dies
from another TEC member. That means 2 new issues will be coming out
because 2 web sites showed someone how to get started. I'd love to have
these kinds of stories shared across the entire TEC membership.

The communications channels (web, email...) are NOT the message, they are
the messenger. Articles cover the content of what is available is what
will be of most interest to all TEC members (in my humble opinion).
Everyone with an email address also has a US Postal address and these
could be included to help TEC members not online communicate with those
that are.

Many people have helped me getting my collection going. Most of this help
has been via email, web pages and Chris' Mailing List. I hope we can take
the best of these information channels and repurpose the content into TEC
NEWS so that all TEC members can benefit. I remain dedicated to TEC and
will continue working hard to bring in new members (via my web site and
all other means).

Bert Creighton
TEC #2095

On 7/24/97 12:35 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>
> For those of you who enjoyed my article and wondered why it was
>not printed, here is the unsolicited reason from Corey Wylde, TEC
>editor. It's pretty much what I thought.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
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>
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>Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:29:11 -0400 (EDT)
>From:WSons@aol.com
>To: aahz@svpal.org
>Subject: Re: New TEC News
>
>Chris- Thanks for the kudos. I believe you have an article pending on various
>elongated internet sites. I did not use it this issue because I didn't want
>to overwhelm our non-electronic members with barrels full of cyberspace. They
>have been the backbone of this club for years and are still the majority. The
>trend is changing tho. If you have any more sites to add to your artilce
>between now and the 1st of September, send them in.
>
>-Corey
>
>PS I''ll try to squeeze the owl in somewhere beginning with the January
>issue.

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Utah, Dino Machine
Date: 25 Jul 1997 22:27:51 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 17:36:09 EDT, you write:

<<
Just got off the phone with the folks at the Dinosaur Museum in
Vernal, UT. According to the girl I spoke with the machine produces a
half-dollar size token and the cost is $1.00. She did not have the
name/contact info of the company, but promised to leave that info on my
voice mail later today. If she comes thru then I will post the info
tonight.

Don't know if this is actually the same machine that we've been
talking about, but it's the only one they've got int the park according
to the girl I spoke with (although she didn't seem incredibly
knowledgeable about many things).
>>
This is not the machine I used....my utah pennie is definatly pennie sized..
Maybe this is not the place I got my pennie at..or maybe they got a new
machine! It didn't cost a dollar either!
Liz

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Naming the Owl
Date: 25 Jul 1997 22:35:53 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
> Anyone know how expensive
> these coins are? I'd like to add one to my collection of TEC coins.

Around $400 and up. You can get a crummy one for less but you get what
you pay for. Don't forget, these large silver coins are about 2400
years old!

Bob

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Digest version coming soon!!
Date: 25 Jul 1997 20:06:28 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:

> My god yes! This is not the only list I'm on, as I've said, but this
> list is by FAR the most active. Let's see, I deleted 54 messages last
> night. Keep'em coming!

Fifty-Four!! Ack. For those of you who feel bogged down by all
these messages, a digest version of the list is coming soon. I
promise!! This will mean you get one or two messages a day that contains
a large number of messages. Perfect for those who read more then they
post or who have limits on their e-mail traffic.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 25 Jul 1997 20:07:55 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Let's see, the exact locations of those 3 Solvang machines would be:

...filled in if I knew them. I have three different Solvang
coins in my collection. All rolled on recent coins. Solvang is one of
my planned stops on the trip to DL, so will provide details then.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: My articl in new TEC News (fwd)
Date: 25 Jul 1997 20:16:52 -0700 (PDT)

Bert made some great points regarding the merger of modern
communications and elongate collecting. Perhaps we could establish an
internet/computer column in TEC News as a regular feature. The column
could address what is happening each month as well as cover the basics
that Bert mentioned.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 25 Jul 1997 20:25:07 -0700

Aahz,

Thanks for help on the Solvang coins. Also, (whoa, we are having an
earthquake here in San Diego! Hold on a second... Well, that was
exciting! Pictures are now off center, and the dog is barking, but all
else OK.) You should check the Madonna Inn. They had a machine and I bet
it is still there. They may have more than one, so please ask them and
get an extra of each (including Solvang) for me so I can scan them and
get them on the Locator. I will bring trade coins to DL on the 7th.

Thanks!

bc

On 7/25/97 8:07 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

> ...filled in if I knew them. I have three different Solvang
>coins in my collection. All rolled on recent coins. Solvang is one of
>my planned stops on the trip to DL, so will provide details then.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Naming the Owl
Date: 25 Jul 1997 20:23:39 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:

> Chris Aahz wrote:
> > Anyone know how expensive
> > these coins are? I'd like to add one to my collection of TEC coins.
>
> Around $400 and up. You can get a crummy one for less but you get what
> you pay for. Don't forget, these large silver coins are about 2400
> years old!

The one I saw certainly didn't look silve, maybe it's a different
coin. I saw the picture in the Numismatic News of July 22, pages 29 and
31. I don't need one in great shape, just one w/ the owl visible. I
know that I see some ancients going for a couple bucks each, so I was
hopeful.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Utah, Dino Machine
Date: 25 Jul 1997 20:34:08 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997 Egd9020@aol.com wrote:

> This is not the machine I used....my utah pennie is definatly pennie sized..
> Maybe this is not the place I got my pennie at..or maybe they got a new
> machine! It didn't cost a dollar either!
> Liz

Down Liz, we believe you 8-) As I said, the girl I spoke with
was not very bright. When did you get your penny?
BTW, I never got the promised call back either. I had a feeling
that I'd be forgotten as soon as the phone was put down. If someone else
would like to try, please do. I am much better in text then on the phone.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~

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From: ... <...>
Subject: (elongates) Digest version, WDW coins etc.
Date: 25 Jul 1997 22:36:19 -0500

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Whew! Thanks! I was going to ask if "Digesting" was possible.

I want to thank Bert for that nice message of support for our "on-line =
only" collectors. I would have never known about the TEC or other =
collectors if I didn't have my Internet and E-mail. It's faster and more =
fun! I don't like to wait for the newsletter that only comes 4 times a =
year to hear about our hobby! I'm all for a special section for the =
"Internet'ers". What ever happened to a listing of all TEC members' =
email addresses?

Congratulations to those who have committed to getting the Disney World =
collection. I'm jealous! If I had the extra cash right now.....but I =
just got a bigger monitor and owe CompUSA my next paycheck!
How did y'all hear about getting the WDW coins? (I was out of commission =
with broken e-mail around that time.)
Does anyone know how long elongated coins have been available at the =
Disney Parks? I don't remember seeing them there 12 years ago.

If anyone has an extra Pooh coin....I'll trade 2 for 1 or purchase it =
from them.

...
trueWeb Design
...
http://www.truewebdesign.com

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On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:

> My god yes! This is not the only list I'm on, as I've said, but this=20
> list is by FAR the most active. Let's see, I deleted 54 messages last =

> night. Keep'em coming!

Fifty-Four!! Ack. For those of you who feel bogged down by all=20
these messages, a digest version of the list is coming soon. I=20
promise!! This will mean you get one or two messages a day that =
contains=20
a large number of messages. Perfect for those who read more then they=20
post or who have limits on their e-mail traffic.

Peace,

Aahz

~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT=20
~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) How to access List archives
Date: 25 Jul 1997 20:44:51 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

For those of you who are new (or sorta new) to the list and those
who may have missed something, I have finally learned how to access the
list archives and will share that info with all of you. Ain't I sweet ;)

Okay, first, you send a message to Majordomo@XMission.com with
'index elongates' in the body. You will receive an automated response
that looks something like this:

>>>> index elongates
.:
total 2
drwxrwxr-x 2 vmphntr domo 512 Jul 1 08:33 archive

./archive:
total 1244
-rw-r--r-- 1 domo domo 95345 Jun 30 13:13 elongates.9706
-rw-r--r-- 1 domo domo 526267 Jul 25 21:19 elongates.9707

Decide which one you want and send the message:

get elongates archive/FILENAME

to majordomo@xmission.com, replacing FILENAME with the name of the
file you want (ie. elongates.9706). It will be e-mailed to you.

Remember, this is a UNIX system so things are case sensitive and that's a
forward slash!

That's all there is to it!

Peace,

Aahz

~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Keith Diehl wrote:

> Here's what works for my list:
>
> Send the message
>
> index montgomery_boats
>
> to majordomo@xmission.com. You will receive a list of archive file names via
>
>
>
>
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> > From: Scot Denhalter <sdenhalt@xmission.com>
> > To: 'xmlistadmin@xmission.com'
> > Subject: Can't "Get" an archived file
> > Date: Friday, July 25, 1997 12:32 PM
> >
> > I keep getting turned down by majordomo when I post the get command.
> >
> > I am following the prescribed command form: <get demo-list demo-list.9611>
> > I am posting the command as: <get lds-research lds-research.9706>
> > But I get back a response that tells me: <get: invalid file
> 'lds-research.9706' for list 'lds-research'.>
> >
> > I assume the filename is correct. I got that from an "index" command as:
> >
> > total 2
> > drwxrwxr-x 2 sdenhalt domo 512 Jul 1 14:48 archive
> >
> > ./archive:
> > total 198
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 domo domo 54399 Jul 1 14:08 lds-research.9706
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 domo domo 46063 Jul 17 12:27 lds-research.9707
> >
> >
> > What am I doing wrong?
> >
> > Scot
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Digest version, WDW coins etc.
Date: 25 Jul 1997 20:57:13 -0700 (PDT)

This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
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On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, ... wrote:

> Whew! Thanks! I was going to ask if "Digesting" was possible.

Actually, thank Bert. He brought it up about a month ago, I
forgot, and he recently brought it up again. I sent a message to
xmission support last night and got no response today. I doubt I'll hear
anythng over the weekend, so won't have anything else to report 'til
Monday at the earliest. If I haven't heard by Monday night, I'll send
another message and start harrassing other people there as well. My goal
at the moment is the end of the week.

Anyone considering quitting the list due to high traffic, please
give me a week! That's all I ask.

>
> I want to thank Bert for that nice message of support for our "on-line only" collectors. I would have never known about the TEC or other collectors if I didn't have my Internet and E-mail. It's faster and more fun! I don't like to wait for the newsletter that only comes 4 times a year to hear about our hobby! I'm all for a special section for the "Internet'ers". What ever happened to a listing of all TEC members' email addresses?

You just hit on my primary motivations for starting this list in
the first place. And, IMHO, it has been a screaming success thus far.

> How did y'all hear about getting the WDW coins? (I was out of commission with broken e-mail around that time.)

Bert found Big Al's website and asked the list if we thought $300
was a fair price for the set. Then others got involved, Big Al got
swamped with penny requests, and the rest is pretty obvious.

> Does anyone know how long elongated coins have been available at the Disney Parks? I don't remember seeing them there 12 years ago.

This is a VERY important question to me as well. The two
projects I currently have are cataloging the Lord's Prayer elongates and
working on publication of a Disney Elongates book (pamphlet, monograph,
whatever.)

Peace,

Aahz

~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Digest version, WDW coins etc.
Date: 25 Jul 1997 21:08:19 -0700

Hi All,

On 7/25/97 8:36 PM ... (... ) wrote

>Whew! Thanks! I was going to ask if "Digesting" was possible.

The Digest will be a wonderful way to get the email in a compact form. I
use Claris eMailer which can search through my email and find key words,
so it also will allow me to (in effect) keep my own archive on my system.

>Does anyone know how long elongated coins have been available at the
>Disney Parks? I don't remember seeing them there 12 years ago.

Kathy, my sources at WDW and Disneyland say the machines have been at WDW
since 1995 and DL for the last 10 years. I have not asked about the
Disney Japan or France Parks (though they are not owned by Disney, per a
Cast Member I talked to recently).

>If anyone has an extra Pooh coin....I'll trade 2 for 1 or purchase it from
>them.

I have an extra Pooh and will be happy to trade. Please send me your
address and I will get it in the mail. Take Care

Bert

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Digest version, WDW coins etc.
Date: 25 Jul 1997 21:10:58 -0700

On 7/25/97 8:57 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

> Bert found Big Al's website and asked the list if we thought $300
>was a fair price for the set. Then others got involved, Big Al got
>swamped with penny requests, and the rest is pretty obvious.

I would love to take credit, was it was not me. Pete, Jeff, did one of
you find Big Al? Y'awl know Big Al is one of the Country Bear Jamboree
bears, yes?

bc

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Digest version, WDW coins etc.
Date: 25 Jul 1997 21:15:35 -0700

On 7/25/97 8:57 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

> This is a VERY important question to me as well. The two
>projects I currently have are cataloging the Lord's Prayer elongates and
>working on publication of a Disney Elongates book (pamphlet, monograph,
>whatever.)

Hey,

Talk to Willy, he can sell you a silver dime with the Lord's Prayer on
it. It sounds very cool and I am going to order a couple. I only have 1
smashed dime in my collection and would like to find the locations (Hmmm,
there goes Bert asking for Locations again!) of more dime machines.

FYI, I heard from Willy that Ray Dillard has denomination sets (gee, this
is starting to sound like a religion)... denomination sets with a half
dollar in them. MUST HAVE ONE! bc

3-)

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Bert on the Brain
Date: 25 Jul 1997 21:10:39 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> On 7/25/97 8:57 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote
>
> > Bert found Big Al's website and asked the list if we thought $300
> >was a fair price for the set. Then others got involved, Big Al got
> >swamped with penny requests, and the rest is pretty obvious.
>
> I would love to take credit, was it was not me. Pete, Jeff, did one of
> you find Big Al? Y'awl know Big Al is one of the Country Bear Jamboree
> bears, yes?

Ack! I've got Bert on the brain! I keep typing his name instead
of whoever I'm talking about. Fo r those of you who think there may be
something untoward causing this problem, it's not what you think: It's
actually got to do with a dog and a tire. 'Nuff said.

Jeff posted the first message! Sorry Jeff.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Digest version, WDW coins etc.
Date: 26 Jul 1997 00:20:10 -0700

Bert Creighton wrote:

> FYI, I heard from Willy that Ray Dillard has denomination sets (gee, this
> is starting to sound like a religion)... denomination sets with a half
> dollar in them. MUST HAVE ONE! bc

Check the TEC Newsletter: Denominational sets (including haves) of both
the ANA and TEC coins are availible either from Ray at the conventions,
or from TEC directly.

--
Elongatedly Yours,

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*** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** *

P.S.
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Elongated dimes
Date: 25 Jul 1997 21:21:11 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> I only have 1
> smashed dime in my collection and would like to find the locations (Hmmm,
> there goes Bert asking for Locations again!) of more dime machines.

Well, denomination sets are not that uncommon. Willy also offers
a denomination set of his MCCC coins. Also, if you receheck the trade
list that Gina posted last night, you just may find a dime on there as well.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Road Trip: SF to DL
Date: 25 Jul 1997 21:39:00 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

Okay, as most of you know, the first ever Official Elongated Coin
Mailing List Meet and Trade-Fest will be happening Sunday, September 7th
at The Elongatedest Place on Earth: DISNEYLAND! Attendance WILL be taken
and I expect to see each and EVERY ONE OF YOU 8-) Ok, ok I'll be happy
to see whoever can make it.

Anywayz, this gives me the opportunity to take my first ever
elongated road trip. I'm planning on leaving the San Francisco Bay Area
sometime Friday morning and taking 101/1 sown to the LA area, collecting
all the way. Saturday is dedicated to collecting the LA area, Sunday is
the meet, and Monday I head north on I-5 continuing the hunt. What makes
me think the list cares about my travel plans? Well, I need your help.
(Wow, that's a shock).

I just tacked a brand new California map up on the wall and have
begun putting in pins at known machine locations (Morro Bay, Pismo Beach,
Santa Barbara, Madonna Inn, Harris Ranch, Solvang, and Buellton so far).
If you know of any other locations along my planned route please let me
know!! I intend to collect plenty of trade stock as well, so there are
benefits for everyone.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 26 Jul 1997 02:09:08 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-25 23:12:15 EDT, you write:

> ...filled in if I knew them. I have three different Solvang
> coins in my collection. All rolled on recent coins. Solvang is one of
> my planned stops on the trip to DL, so will provide details then.
>
I think there is one at the Pea Soup Anderson's also. Some in the plaza
near the town's main intersection, one near the big wind mill, a couple in
the alley near the wind mill, one almost infront of a gift shop called
Katrina's, one just down the "alley" in front of the toy store that has the
same owner as the gift shop (off the main drag in a "flag lot"). Think the
owner's name is Ray he will know of other locations too.

Hope it helps. It's been about a year since I was there.

Happy Collecting,
-Bob
TEC#2033

Man, I just re-read my directions on how to find the machines!! No wonder I
always get lost! :-(

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) The INTERNATIONAL Elongated Coin Mailing List
Date: 25 Jul 1997 23:12:00 -0700 (PDT)

I just had to share this with the list. We just went
international!! Yes, the first subscriber with a non-US e-mail address
has joined The Elongated Coin Mailing List. I'm not going to name names,
if they want to introduce themselves they will. But I was so excited I
just had to share.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Trent Schwartz <tschwart@uoguelph.ca>
Subject: (elongates) Where can I find a press?
Date: 26 Jul 1997 02:16:38 -0400 (EDT)

Hi there all!,

Driving home tonight from my job in a large tourist district, I came up
with a great idea! There are no coin presses in the area. I
could make some money by putting machines into area attractions. Maybe
just one or two at first, but then a whole series so
that people end up collecting them just like I've seen at Disney. I'm a
university student and I think it'd be a great way to keep
some money coming in. I would really like to get one set up by the end of
the summer - so I only have about a month to do so.
I'd be looking at putting the first one in the attraction I work at.
Perhaps they'd let me have the space for free at first. I know I
could sell at least 100 a day.

Can anyone let me in on where I can find such machines... Manual or
Automatic. And most importantly, what kind of costs am
I looking at here.

Thanks for any help you can provide me. Feel free to e-mail me.

Trent Schwartz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 25 Jul 1997 23:17:44 -0700 (PDT)

On Sat, 26 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-07-25 23:12:15 EDT, you write:
>
> > ...filled in if I knew them. I have three different Solvang
> > coins in my collection. All rolled on recent coins. Solvang is one of
> > my planned stops on the trip to DL, so will provide details then.
> >

> I think there is one at the Pea Soup Anderson's also.

I thought PSA was actually in Buellton. Not to be semantical or
anything. I realize they're practically within walking distance of each
other, but...

> Some in the plaza
> near the town's main intersection, one near the big wind mill, a couple in
> the alley near the wind mill, one almost infront of a gift shop called
> Katrina's, one just down the "alley" in front of the toy store that has the
> same owner as the gift shop (off the main drag in a "flag lot"). Think the
> owner's name is Ray he will know of other locations too.

Wow, that's five seperate locations, with 'some' listed for a
couple locations! Disneyland may soon be replaced as the most machine
populated area in California!

>
> Hope it helps. It's been about a year since I was there.
>
Absolutely!! Looks like I'll be spending some pretty derious
time in Solvang in Sept.

> Man, I just re-read my directions on how to find the machines!! No wonder I
> always get lost! :-(

Well I certainly wasn't going to comment on it Bob. I accept ANY
information, regardless of how convoluted.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Where can I find a press?
Date: 25 Jul 1997 23:57:42 -0700 (PDT)

On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, Trent Schwartz wrote:

> Hi there all!,

Hello Trent, and welcome to the list!

> Driving home tonight from my job in a large tourist district, I came up
> with a great idea! There are no coin presses in the area. I

Well, if I understand the Internic system properly, then the .ca
in your e-mail address means you're in Canada. If this is the case, then
the reason you don't see any machines in your area is because it is
illegal to 'deface' Canadian coins in any way, including elongating them.

> could make some money by putting machines into area attractions. Maybe
> just one or two at first, but then a whole series so
> that people end up collecting them just like I've seen at Disney. I'm a

Psssst...c'mere......
The first one's free.......
Muwahahahaha

Yep, that's exactly how I got started.

> Can anyone let me in on where I can find such machines... Manual or
> Automatic. And most importantly, what kind of costs am
> I looking at here.

Machines typically cost somewhere between $1000 and $4000. One
subscriber has spent many moons searching for a machine for under a grand.

Here's a few leads:

BKornoelje@aol.com has informed me that he is offering a machine,
two die rolls (containing 5 different designs), and a large stock of
coins for $2500.

From the classifieds of the most recent TEC News I learned that:

Rocky Rockholt (RockyRockholt@msn.com) offers coin-op machines
for $3200 plus shipping and Hand-cranked machines for $2195 plus shipping.

Bob Dubois has an "Antique Chrome Handcrank" for sale with two
designs from the 1939-40 San Francisco Golden Gate International
Exposition. No price given. (Phone: (707) 765-9781)

<<<If anyone finds out his price I'd like to know it!>>>

The previous issue of TEC News has:

Karen Morrison (P.O. Box 53, Victor, CO 80860-0053,
(719)689-2346) was offering an "Early Frank Brazzell brass hand-operated
elongating machine. On ornate custom built chrome stand with wheels
(disassembles). With 4 Frank Brazzell dies, one Adam J. Cool die and
lots of accessories. Great Condition. $2800.00"

The issue before THAT (We're talking January now):

Myles Romney (3919 Oliver Dr., Salt Lake City, UT 84124,
Phone:801-278-8252, FAX: 801-272-5848) was offering a one-year old
Brazzell machine (presumably the same model as above).

When you contact any of these people, you can always ask them if
they know of anyone else with machines available.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Naming the Owl
Date: 26 Jul 1997 04:35:23 -0700

Bob Fritsch wrote:
>
> I also don't know if the Owl has a name, other than Athena's Owl. It's
> the same as the one on the Athenian Tetradrachm of ancient Greece. In
> their mythology, the owl flew around the world every night gathering
> news of what was happening.
>
> If we don't have a name for it, I suggest a contest to NAME THE OWL.
> No, don't put your ideas on the net immediately in a rush of
> enthusiasm! To give all TEC members a chance, it must be done through
> announcement in _TEC News_, with definite dates for start and finish. I
> would be glad to serve as the contest chairman and would take input by
> any means (E-Mail, SnailMail, Pony Express...). The Board could serve
> as the judges.
>
> How about it, Mr. President?

Since Gus is not on line, I assume you were referring to Me... However,
you might be jumping the gun a bit.
Anyway, I'm not sure if the owl has a name either... That's a good
question for the TEC meeting.

If the owl doesn't have a name, and I do become president of TEC... Then
I say: Great Idea! And thanks for volunteering to chair the contest
committee.

Willy
TEC 1857

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Naming the Owl
Date: 26 Jul 1997 07:30:35 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
> I don't need one in great shape, just one w/ the owl visible. I
> know that I see some ancients going for a couple bucks each, so I was
> hopeful.

As an alternative, look in world coin junk boxes for the 1 and 2 Drachma
coins of Greece dated 1973. It depicts the owl and would cost you a
dime or a quarter or so. Might be fun to get a handful and roll them.

Many dealers at coin shows have these boxes. You would have to dig
through them to find the coins (DON'T ask the dealer, "Do you have this
coin in your junk box"!). After all, the chase is half the fun. Sal
Falcone in San Jose has loads of this stuff and might even be willing to
help you find them.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
TEC #1871
rfritsch@concentric.net

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Where can I find a press?
Date: 26 Jul 1997 08:31:32 -0700

Trent,

Welcome to our list! It is great to have you with us.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but as Aahz says it is illegal to
deface coins in Canada. I worked on this issue a couple of months ago and
found no legal way to smash coins.

Actually, Canadian Criminal Code, Chapter C-46, Part XII Offenses
Relating To Currency, Section 456 Defacing Current Coins reads:

"Everyone who (a) defaces a current coin, or (b) utters a current coin
that has been defaced, is guilty of an offense punishable on summary
conviction."

Sooo, you say, I could pay that parking ticket and not even worry about
it... BUT... the penalty is up to $2,000 and up to 2 years in prison. (I
wonder if they teach engraving in Canadian prisons 8-) )

Notice it says any current coin, not any Canadian coin. I'm not a lawyer,
but I would guess that means even US pennies... You could use copper
blanks, but that sort of removes the magic of converting a coin into a
treasure. I'm not sure about taking elongates into Canada, is that
"uttering." I missed school the day they taught uttering...

There have been some reports of 'rogue rollers' producing elongated coins
in Canada. If anyone ever finds any of their coins I would love to get 1
of each for my collection. In this one case I will not add them to the
Smashed Coin Locator.

So Trent, sorry for the way this turns out. My personal opinion is that
the engravers/designers are artists and I love to support artists. This
is not defacing coins in my way of looking at it. Hey, someone could say
the Mints are defacing copper from it's natural state (ever see the big
copper pits in the US Southwest?). I wish there was a way to change the
Canadian law. It is hard to think about some of our great
designers/artists in the same thought as "$2,000 fine/2 years jail."

Bert Creighton

On 7/25/97 11:16 PM Trent Schwartz (tschwart@uoguelph.ca ) wrote

>Driving home tonight from my job in a large tourist district, I came up
>with a great idea!

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From: Trent Schwartz <tschwart@uoguelph.ca>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Where can I find a press?
Date: 26 Jul 1997 11:37:20 -0400 (EDT)

Well, I actually _have_ seen one guy out there every day rolling pennies
by hand - so it seems that someone is doing it. I imagine he's using US
pennies which I couldn't see as being a problem. Most of the tourists in
the area are American any way so there's no big deal there. I'm going to
stop by today with my Canadian pennies and see if he'll smash them. I'll
also ask some 'naive' questions to guage the market these things get. I
was originally thinking of a coin operated press - but perhaps a hand
cranked one will do for now. I thought that I'd be able to get one for
under a grand. With the prices I've heard though I'm not really sure this
will happen this year. There's no question I would have done it if the
opportunity had presented itself at the beginning of the summer. But with
the busy season here a month from over, I'm just not sure.

Thanks for all the help guys,

Trent

On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Trent,
>
> Welcome to our list! It is great to have you with us.
>
> I hate to be the bearer of bad news but as Aahz says it is illegal to
> deface coins in Canada. I worked on this issue a couple of months ago and
> found no legal way to smash coins.
>
> Actually, Canadian Criminal Code, Chapter C-46, Part XII Offenses
> Relating To Currency, Section 456 Defacing Current Coins reads:
>
> "Everyone who (a) defaces a current coin, or (b) utters a current coin
> that has been defaced, is guilty of an offense punishable on summary
> conviction."
>
> Sooo, you say, I could pay that parking ticket and not even worry about
> it... BUT... the penalty is up to $2,000 and up to 2 years in prison. (I
> wonder if they teach engraving in Canadian prisons 8-) )
>
> Notice it says any current coin, not any Canadian coin. I'm not a lawyer,
> but I would guess that means even US pennies... You could use copper
> blanks, but that sort of removes the magic of converting a coin into a
> treasure. I'm not sure about taking elongates into Canada, is that
> "uttering." I missed school the day they taught uttering...
>
> There have been some reports of 'rogue rollers' producing elongated coins
> in Canada. If anyone ever finds any of their coins I would love to get 1
> of each for my collection. In this one case I will not add them to the
> Smashed Coin Locator.
>
> So Trent, sorry for the way this turns out. My personal opinion is that
> the engravers/designers are artists and I love to support artists. This
> is not defacing coins in my way of looking at it. Hey, someone could say
> the Mints are defacing copper from it's natural state (ever see the big
> copper pits in the US Southwest?). I wish there was a way to change the
> Canadian law. It is hard to think about some of our great
> designers/artists in the same thought as "$2,000 fine/2 years jail."
>
> Bert Creighton
>
>
>
> On 7/25/97 11:16 PM Trent Schwartz (tschwart@uoguelph.ca ) wrote
>
> >Driving home tonight from my job in a large tourist district, I came up
> >with a great idea!
>
>

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello
Date: 26 Jul 1997 14:04:54 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-26 02:21:56 EDT, you write:

> I thought PSA was actually in Buellton. Not to be semantical or
> anything. I realize they're practically within walking distance of each
> other, but...
>
You're right. A short distance for an EC!! :-)

-Bob

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) pennie prices
Date: 26 Jul 1997 14:58:22 -0400 (EDT)

If anyone has a price guied for elongates, could you look up the value of the
following pennies....I want make an informed trade... Not that I don't trust
you Jeff...

Boston Museam of Science
T-Rex non-zinc
Space Shuttle with zinc

Also...I have another strainge elongate:

43rd ANNUAL CONVENTION / MANA /OCT 20-22 1995 /PENNSAUKEN, NJ.
The pennies is alined horizontaly with a circle in the midle. Inside the
circle is a horse's head, or maybe it is a Knight chess piece, and something
below it that looks like a plow maybe??? There is some greek writing in the
circle too.

If there is any info on this let me know!!
Liz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) pennie prices
Date: 26 Jul 1997 12:37:23 -0700 (PDT)

On Sat, 26 Jul 1997 Egd9020@aol.com wrote:

> If anyone has a price guied for elongates, could you look up the value of the
> following pennies....I want make an informed trade... Not that I don't trust
> you Jeff...

One of the great things about collecting elongates (IMHO) is that
there are no price guides. Most currently available elongated pennies
have an issue price of 50c, nickels 75c, and quarters $1.00. Trading
typically takes place on a one for one basis.
There have been four books published about elongates, all of
which included price guides, but the most recent one was published in
1991 and there have been literally thousands of designs rolled since
then. What prices these guides DO have are not necessarily accurate due
to the time that has passed since their publication.
Older elongates and limited edition issues often cost more than
50c and do not fit into the one-for-one trading basis. When these coins
are traded we must fall back to traditional collectibles pricing: what
the buyer is willing to pay and what the seller is willing to accept.

>
> Boston Museam of Science
> T-Rex non-zinc
> Space Shuttle with zinc

To the best of my knowledge the first two are currently available
and the third may be a few years old, but wouldn't demand much of a
premium.

> > Also...I have another strainge elongate:
>
> 43rd ANNUAL CONVENTION / MANA /OCT 20-22 1995 /PENNSAUKEN, NJ.
> The pennies is alined horizontaly with a circle in the midle. Inside the
> circle is a horse's head, or maybe it is a Knight chess piece, and something
> below it that looks like a plow maybe??? There is some greek writing in the
> circle too.

Many coin shows/conventions have elongates rolled to commemorate
them. Ray Dillard has become famous for doing this. Look at the top of
the coin, in the border. If there is a cursive RWD there then this is
one of Ray's. While these coins are obviously only rolled at the show in
question, they typically hold their 'currently available' pricing for
about 10-15 years. This is primarily because the majority of the coins
stay withing the collecting community and are thus readily available for
trade/purchase.

BTW, I collect coin show elongates and do not have this one. I
would be more than happy to trade for it. If you do not have my trade
list, let me know and I'll e-mail it to you.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) 1933 WF Elongate at eBay
Date: 26 Jul 1997 13:27:37 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

For the World's Fair collectors, there is a new 1933 World's Fair
elongate for auction at eBay. There are no specifics given on the coin,
so I don't know which design it is, but I thought I'd pass on the info.

> URL: http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=sds616

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Where can I find a press?
Date: 26 Jul 1997 13:35:14 -0700 (PDT)

On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, Trent Schwartz wrote:

>
> Well, I actually _have_ seen one guy out there every day rolling pennies
> by hand - so it seems that someone is doing it. I imagine he's using US
> pennies which I couldn't see as being a problem. Most of the tourists in
> the area are American any way so there's no big deal there. I'm going to
> stop by today with my Canadian pennies and see if he'll smash them.

If you pick up a few extras I'd be more then happy to trade for
one or two!

> On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> > There have been some reports of 'rogue rollers' producing elongated coins
> > in Canada. If anyone ever finds any of their coins I would love to get 1
> > of each for my collection. In this one case I will not add them to the
> > Smashed Coin Locator.

I have numerous elongates rolled on Canadian cents, but do not
know that any were actually rolled in Canada. Aside from anecdotal
experience or first hand knowledge, there is no way to tell for sure.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Penny sized foriegn coins
Date: 26 Jul 1997 13:38:07 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

I know we have a few people out there that collect traditional
coins as well. Can anyone compile a short list of foriegn coins that
could essentially pass for pennies? I've used Canadian pennies without a
problem in automated machines, but would like to try other coins. I just
don't jhave the time to search thru piles of references or dealer
collections to discover what might work. If someone collects World Coins
then they would be much farther down the road already.

What would be really interesting would be rolling a coin that was
holed at the mint!

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Penny sized foriegn coins
Date: 26 Jul 1997 14:03:18 -0700

Greetings,

I have been working on this and have not had great results. Most coins I
have tried do not fit in the slots (of automated machines). I'll try to
summarize my results and post them.

bc

On 7/26/97 1:38 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>Greetings and Salutations!
>
> I know we have a few people out there that collect traditional
>coins as well. Can anyone compile a short list of foriegn coins that
>could essentially pass for pennies? I've used Canadian pennies without a
>problem in automated machines, but would like to try other coins. I just
>don't jhave the time to search thru piles of references or dealer
>collections to discover what might work. If someone collects World Coins
>then they would be much farther down the road already.
>
> What would be really interesting would be rolling a coin that was
>holed at the mint!
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Canadian Law Online Reference
Date: 26 Jul 1997 14:10:35 -0700

If you are interested in Canadian law and want to see the section on
defacing coins, here's the starting point:

Canadian Criminal Code, Chapter C-46, Part XII Offenses
Relating To Currency, Section 456 Defacing Current Coins

http://insight.mcmaster.ca/org/efc/pages/law/cc/cc-text.html

Bert
Location Keeper/Law Librarian

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) pennie prices
Date: 26 Jul 1997 17:10:52 -0700

>
> > If anyone has a price guied for elongates, could you look up the value of the
> > following pennies....I want make an informed trade...

My Father once said: "One of my turds would be worth a millions dollars,
if I could just find someone with a million dollars that agreed with
me".
The bottom line is, elongated coins (as with anything else) are worth
whatever you are willing to pay for them. They are NOT generally
investment opportunities!

Like Chris said, most modern elongateds produced from open dies (not
limited editions) are issued for between 50 cents and a buck (much less
if purchased by the 100s).
Supply and Demand will determine a coin's ultimate monetary value,
though the enjoyment of owning a coin is what should be taken into
consideration when making a purchase.

Happy Collecting!
--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) pennie prices
Date: 26 Jul 1997 16:59:00 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Sat, 26 Jul 1997 Egd9020@aol.com wrote:
>
> > If anyone has a price guied for elongates, could you look up the value of the
> > following pennies....I want make an informed trade... Not that I don't trust
> > you Jeff...
>
> One of the great things about collecting elongates (IMHO) is that
> there are no price guides. Most currently available elongated pennies
> have an issue price of 50c, nickels 75c, and quarters $1.00. Trading
> typically takes place on a one for one basis.
> There have been four books published about elongates, all of
> which included price guides, but the most recent one was published in
> 1991 and there have been literally thousands of designs rolled since
> then. What prices these guides DO have are not necessarily accurate due
> to the time that has passed since their publication.
> Older elongates and limited edition issues often cost more than
> 50c and do not fit into the one-for-one trading basis. When these coins
> are traded we must fall back to traditional collectibles pricing: what
> the buyer is willing to pay and what the seller is willing to accept.
>
> >
> > Boston Museam of Science
> > T-Rex non-zinc
> > Space Shuttle with zinc
>
> To the best of my knowledge the first two are currently available
> and the third may be a few years old, but wouldn't demand much of a
> premium.
>

I'm pretty sure none of these three pennies are available anymore. The
Boston Museum of Science changes their dies about every 6 months or so
per their maintenance dept. They're due for a change pretty soon
then...

Ben Lavine mcsquare@erols.com

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Penny sized foriegn coins
Date: 26 Jul 1997 17:20:10 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:
>Can anyone compile a short list of foriegn coins that
> could essentially pass for pennies?

The best thing to do is visit your local coin shop or coin show. MANY
have "junk boxes" of foreign coins that are dirt cheep. Just have a
penny with you to size them up!
Even if you had the list that you asked for.... Finding a dealer with
that specific coin, and who is willing to dig for it, would be near
impossible. As you already know, circulated coins produce the best
reverses when placed in the "vending" type rolling machines... So, I
find it quite enjoyable to search through junk boxes, from time to time,
and pull out the coins that I think have the ideal toning to produce the
best elongated specimen possible--not a sight-unseen purchase.

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Road Trip: SF to DL
Date: 26 Jul 1997 18:36:21 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-26 00:44:03 EDT, you write:

<<
I just tacked a brand new California map up on the wall and have
begun putting in pins at known machine locations (Morro Bay, Pismo Beach,
Santa Barbara, Madonna Inn, Harris Ranch, Solvang, and Buellton so far).
If you know of any other locations along my planned route please let me
know!! I intend to collect plenty of trade stock as well, so there are
benefits for everyone.
>>
There is a coin machine at Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk. It is my very First
Coin! The unique thing about it is that it has writing on the back too. When
I was there..about 12-13 years ago the machine was in one of the archade
rooms. I hope this helps!
Liz

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Where can I find a press?
Date: 26 Jul 1997 18:36:36 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-26 11:28:52 EDT, you write:

<<
Trent,

Welcome to our list! It is great to have you with us.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but as Aahz says it is illegal to
deface coins in Canada. I worked on this issue a couple of months ago and
found no legal way to smash coins.

Actually, Canadian Criminal Code, Chapter C-46, Part XII Offenses
Relating To Currency, Section 456 Defacing Current Coins reads:

"Everyone who (a) defaces a current coin, or (b) utters a current coin
that has been defaced, is guilty of an offense punishable on summary
conviction."

>>
But you are not DEfacing a coin....you are REfacing a coin!!! :)
LIz

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Utah, Dino Machine
Date: 26 Jul 1997 18:36:37 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-26 14:44:37 EDT, you write:

<<
we believe you 8-) As I said, the girl I spoke with
was not very bright. When did you get your penny? >>

I got the pennie about 2 years ago..summer of '95.....the summer after I
graduated from highschool. I went on a cross-country trip to CA with my
dad....who now lives there! BTW Utah is beautiful!!!!
Liz

PS What the heck is TEC??

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) The INTERNATIONAL Elongated Coin Mailing List
Date: 26 Jul 1997 18:36:33 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-26 04:55:52 EDT, you write:

<<
I just had to share this with the list. We just went
international!! Yes, the first subscriber with a non-US e-mail address
has joined The Elongated Coin Mailing List. I'm not going to name names,
if they want to introduce themselves they will. But I was so excited I
just had to share.
>>
<Police Horn>
We want to see your trade list....we mean you no harm... just give us the
list and you are free to go.... :) :) :)
Finders Keepers!!!!
Welcome to America! Lets see what you got!
Liz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Road Trip: SF to DL
Date: 26 Jul 1997 15:59:13 -0700 (PDT)

On Sat, 26 Jul 1997 Egd9020@aol.com wrote:

> There is a coin machine at Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk. It is my very First
> Coin! The unique thing about it is that it has writing on the back too. When
> I was there..about 12-13 years ago the machine was in one of the archade
> rooms. I hope this helps!
> Liz
12-13 years ago? Is this the Popeye coin or the Coaster/Logo?
The current coin is the Coaster/Logo with the front saying "Santa Cruz
Beach Boardwalk" and the word Boardwalk large and shaped like a roller
coaster w/ a coaster car on the top. The reverseis tect only with
"Souvenir of..."

I've never seen the Popeye coin and only know about it because an
employee told me they used to have one.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Newest San Jose Machine
Date: 26 Jul 1997 17:17:06 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

On a tip from Bert, I cruised by Happy Hollow Petting Zoo in
Kelley Park right here in San Jose. Sure enough, Bert was not
hallucinating (this time ;) and there is a new San Francisco Penny
Machine Company machine there. The coin is probably the cutest souvenir
issue in my collection:

It's a horizontal with "Happy Hollow Park & Zoo" written in
lettering reminiscent of the big letters on the walls of a kindergarten.
There is a train with five cars and steam coming out of the engine
weaving its way across the top of the coin, four little critter
footprints at the bottom and a mouse wqith his tail going through the
'o's in zoo.

This is one of the machines where heads/tails is randomized due
to the coin freefalling onto the roller entrance. Hmm....what else.
It's the only machine at Kelley Park and has been there since "the
beginning of summer", so I'm cataloging it as June 1st.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Penny and DIME Machine location
Date: 27 Jul 1997 00:59:05 -0700 (PDT)

This is the first report I have ever seen of an elongated dime
machine. Anyone heading this way soon?

> Subject: Re: CanAm RADP Squished Coin Alert!
> From: dismusic@hotmail.com
> Date: 1997/07/07
> Message-Id: <868314491.30281@dejanews.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney.parks
> [11][More Headers]
>
>
> > The Floro Four-o just got back from trip to Niagara Falls and Toronto,
> > and we stopped at the Rainbow Outlet Mall (US side) on our way home.
> > Imagine the joy and/or surprise when I found a penny press *and* a dime
> > press!
> >
> > So, RADP folk who are planning to head north for the August meet, you
> > won't have to go squishie-less! <vbg>
>
> Don't worry!!! There's a squished coin press right on Clifton Hill - The
> Street of Fun At The Falls!
>
> Trent
>

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: (elongates) Re: What the heck is TEC
Date: 27 Jul 1997 05:25:15 -0700

Egd9020@aol.com wrote:
>
> PS What the heck is TEC??

Hi Liz,
TEC is an acronym for The Elongated Collectors. They yet to have an
Official Web site, but I have info for them posted at:
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/tec.htm

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

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P.S.
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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) 1933 WF Elongate at eBay
Date: 27 Jul 1997 06:42:38 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> Greetings and Salutations!
>
> For the World's Fair collectors, there is a new 1933 World's Fair
> elongate for auction at eBay. There are no specifics given on the coin,
> so I don't know which design it is, but I thought I'd pass on the info.
>
> > URL: http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=sds616

Personally, I'd have to think twice before paying $10 for ANY holed
elongated cent!

If anyone is really interested in the "oldies", I suggest writing to Ray
Dillard (TEC VP) for his HUGE list (the list does not depict the coins,
but it does site Martin-Dow codes).

--Willy

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From: David Shapiro <davidaaron@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: What the heck is TEC
Date: 27 Jul 1997 06:49:16 -0400

Willie: I got so interested in the TEC that I decided togo to your site
fillout the apllication and join.
Dave.

William C. Massey wrote:
>
> Egd9020@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > PS What the heck is TEC??
>
> Hi Liz,
> TEC is an acronym for The Elongated Collectors. They yet to have an
> Official Web site, but I have info for them posted at:
> http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/tec.htm
>
> --
> Elongatedly Yours,
>
> William C. Massey
> TEC #1857
>
> *** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** *
>
> P.S.
> Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
> http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Digest version, WDW coins etc.
Date: 27 Jul 1997 11:32:03 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-26 15:32:46 EDT, you write:

> FYI, I heard from Willy that Ray Dillard has denomination sets (gee, this
> is starting to sound like a religion)... denomination sets with a half
> dollar in them. MUST HAVE ONE! bc
>

I've heard tell of a Susan B. Anthony $1. EC.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Digest version, WDW coins etc.
Date: 27 Jul 1997 10:19:45 -0700

Greetings,

Is the Susan B. from Ray Dillard?

Bert

On 7/27/97 8:32 AM R0BERTH0FF@aol.com (R0BERTH0FF@aol.com ) wrote

>I've heard tell of a Susan B. Anthony $1. EC.
>
>-Bob Hoff
>TEC#2033

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) 1933 WF Elongate at eBay
Date: 27 Jul 1997 10:25:02 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

>
> Personally, I'd have to think twice before paying $10 for ANY holed
> elongated cent!

Well, when I posted the URL it was only at $3.00. Personally, i
don't think the chain hole detracts much from most designs. On some of
the older issues I think it actually gives it a little more character.

>
> If anyone is really interested in the "oldies", I suggest writing to Ray
> Dillard (TEC VP) for his HUGE list (the list does not depict the coins,
> but it does site Martin-Dow codes).

Does he charge for the list? How much?

For those who don't get TEC News, Ray's address is:

Ray Dillard
P.O. Box 161
Fenton, MI 48430

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Digest version, WDW coins etc.
Date: 27 Jul 1997 10:27:30 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 27 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> I've heard tell of a Susan B. Anthony $1. EC.

I've got one on its way to me as I write this. I won it at an
eBay auction from Tony Dinto. If you're really nice, I might let you see
it at Disneyland, Bert 8-)

Peace,

Aahz

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Road Trip: SF to DL
Date: 27 Jul 1997 13:10:09 -0000

Hey Chris,
I'm sure if you have these or not, but 2 machines are in Monterey and there
is also a machine at this place called Casa de Fruita. O.K. now where is
that. Let's see we were going N on the 5 and then headed E on the 152 and
it was before Gilroy. It is a big produce stand/store with gift shops,
petting zoo, train ride for kids. Casa de Fruita is not on the map (at
least this map i have), but it is there. Maybe you could hit it on your
return trip up the 5? or for future reference. Good Luck.

Gina
TEC #2109

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Elongated dimes
Date: 27 Jul 1997 13:31:00 -0000

>
> Well, denomination sets are not that uncommon. Willy also offers
> a denomination set of his MCCC coins. Also, if you receheck the trade
> list that Gina posted last night, you just may find a dime on there as
well.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

Yes I do have a smashed dime. Actually two. The is a machine in Cabazon
where the two giant dinosaurs are off of the 10 Frwy in San Bernardino, CA.
These dinosaurs were in a movie (Pee Wees Big Adventure) some time back.
Just a little trivia. This dime has a Tyrannasaurus Rex on it.

Also there is a smashed dime machine in LA on the city walk and is very
cool. It is from a store called "Things from another World" and has a
chess piece on it and web site address pressed on the back.

I have one of each for trade if anybody wants them.

Gina
TEC #2109
zinful@prodigy.net

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From: "zinful" <zinful@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Digest version coming soon!!
Date: 27 Jul 1997 15:19:57 -0000

>
> > My god yes! This is not the only list I'm on, as I've said, but this
> > list is by FAR the most active. Let's see, I deleted 54 messages last
> > night. Keep'em coming!
>
> Fifty-Four!! Ack. For those of you who feel bogged down by all
> these messages, a digest version of the list is coming soon. I
> promise!! This will mean you get one or two messages a day that contains

> a large number of messages. Perfect for those who read more then they
> post or who have limits on their e-mail traffic.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
> ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~Chris >

I hadn't logged on for about a day and half and I had 86 messages today. I
didn't mind. Although most as you know are repeated messages.
Gina

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Elongated dimes
Date: 27 Jul 1997 17:20:39 -0700

Greetings,

I would like to trade for the 2 dimes. I have a great quarter from San
Francisco (one of my favorite coins) and another quarter from the Polar
Bear Plunge at the San Diego Zoo (showing a Bear diving head first into
the pool). Has anyone spoken for these dimes?

Chris said you may be joining us at Disneyland. I hope you can make it.

Thanks!

Bert

On 7/27/97 6:31 AM zinful (zinful@prodigy.net ) wrote

>Yes I do have a smashed dime. Actually two. The is a machine in Cabazon
>where the two giant dinosaurs are off of the 10 Frwy in San Bernardino, CA.
> These dinosaurs were in a movie (Pee Wees Big Adventure) some time back.
>Just a little trivia. This dime has a Tyrannasaurus Rex on it.
>
>Also there is a smashed dime machine in LA on the city walk and is very
>cool. It is from a store called "Things from another World" and has a
>chess piece on it and web site address pressed on the back.
>
>I have one of each for trade if anybody wants them.
>
>Gina
>TEC #2109
>zinful@prodigy.net

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Research Help
Date: 27 Jul 1997 17:26:12 -0700

Greetings All,

I need some research help on elongated penny from Hawaii. The coin holder
has the reference 2EL-35A. Can anyone help with this reference?

Thanks

Bert

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) SBA's etc.
Date: 27 Jul 1997 20:53:29 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-27 13:17:43 EDT, you write:

> Greetings,
>
> Is the Susan B. from Ray Dillard?
>
> Bert
>
> On 7/27/97 8:32 AM R0BERTH0FF@aol.com (R0BERTH0FF@aol.com ) wrote
>
> >I've heard tell of a Susan B. Anthony $1. EC.
> >
> >-Bob Hoff
> >TEC#2033
>

Don't know. Just heard.

Just a thought, maybe we could have a contest of the oddest or bigest etc.
EC?
There must be some very unusual ones out there!

-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

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