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From: "tink!!!" <dvlgrl66hatesspam@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Meet
Date: 16 Jul 1997 23:47:04 -0700

greetings all!!!

i have to admit it-i'm a premium annual passport snob... but the good
news is-because of this, i got a postcard in the mail today stating that
with my card, i can take 4 people into the park for just $26 each!!!
this deal they're offering is gonna last til september 30th, just in
time for the munch (sorry, i meant 'meet'. it's a rec.arts.bodyarts
thing;>) so, if the discounts are more than the $26, or if some folks
make an impromptu showing and need a cheaper ticket... well, anyways,
basically, i'm just excited!!! can't wait to meet everyone!!!

-nikki
ps-next weekend, i'll be heading to vegas for my bday, and if the
machine is still there, i'm gonna pick up a couple more squishies from
the 'barstow station' (the halfway point between el lay and las vegas),
so let me know if anyone is interested. also, if i find any machines in
vegas...same deal, i'll try to pick up a couple extras...
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f-- - s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Meet
Date: 16 Jul 1997 23:53:30 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 16 Jul 1997, tink!!! wrote:

> i have to admit it-i'm a premium annual passport snob... but the good
> news is-because of this, i got a postcard in the mail today stating that
> with my card, i can take 4 people into the park for just $26 each!!!

Very cool. That's another 20 elongates I can afford to pick up 8-)

> ps-next weekend, i'll be heading to vegas for my bday, and if the

Okay, I'm jealous. Of course, I got a week in Vegas for my 21st
birthday, but that doesn't mean anyone else should get to go without me!

> machine is still there, i'm gonna pick up a couple more squishies from
> the 'barstow station' (the halfway point between el lay and las vegas),

I have many fond memories of Barstow station, but was unaware of
their machine. Sign me up for one!

> so let me know if anyone is interested. also, if i find any machines in
> vegas...same deal, i'll try to pick up a couple extras...

Well, I just checked out both Willy's Hitchiker's Guide and Bert
Smashed Coin Locator and they're both pretty slim for Vegas. Over the
last two years or so I have heard reports of: 3 different machines in
Excalibur, one in the Rio, several (including quarters!) in Circus
Circus, and one in the Luxor (is that the right name? The big black
pyramid).

I haven't heard of anyone checking out the Downtown casinos, but
they seem like a natural as they already sell tourist kitsch.

Have fun! And don't forget to report any machine finds (wether you
pick up trade stock or not) to the list so Bert and Willy can update their
pages.

Peace,

Aahz

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Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 17 Jul 1997 06:14:39 -0700

Hi Gang!
In the following message, Bob (bless his heart) attempted to describe
the fun and excitement of attending an ANA convention as an elongated
coin enthusiast... Let me just say that Bob was correct in his
assessment, although a bit reserved. IT'S A TOTAL BLAST!!!!!

--Willy :)

Bob Fritsch wrote:

> ONGOING: TEC Booth, starring Ray Dillard's machine and a ton of fun.
> If you have time stop by and help Ray run the booth. It's the funnest
> hours you will have at any ANA.
>
> FRI 1 AUG 97 8AM: TEC Board Meeting. Interesting because it shows how
> the club is run and how decisions are made.
>
> SAME 9AM: TEC Membership Meeting: Not to be missed. TEC is a great
> group and the meeting proves it. Find out for yourself.
>
> Check the Convention issues of *Numismatic News* and *Coin World* before
> you arrive. Find all the dealers who offer freebies (elongates
> especially) and note their table numbers. Do a fast cruise of the
> bourse finding these tables and scoop up the goodies. Keep an eye out
> for unadvertised give-aways.
>
> One thing I like to do is to go through the "Mint Mile" which features
> mints from around the world (somewhere around 26 in Denver, maybe more
> this year). Get their free coin (purchase of a "passport" is required
> at the ANA Money Market booth) then go to the TEC booth and squash them
> with the show theme. Don't forget to paint them first; Ray always has a
> can of spray paint handy. BEWARE that many countries consider this
> activity illegal so don't tell them. Afterwards, go back to the Mint
> Mile with your empty passport and fill it.
>
> See you in New York!
>
> Bob Fritsch
> rfritsch@concentric.net

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: (elongates) Don Wilkinson Needs Us!!!!
Date: 17 Jul 1997 06:39:03 -0700

In reply to the following message about Don Wilkinson TEC #1079:

For those of you who don't know Don... Know This. Don is one of the
most generous coin rollers to ever squish a penny! He has done MUCH for
TEC and humanity alike throughout the years. Don has even suffered the
greatest loss of all-time because of elongated coins -- Several years
ago, while on an ANA trip to (possibly from) Chicago, Don lost his wife,
when their van ran off the road. Their rolling machine was hurled into
Don's wife, leaving her dead! Even after that horrible accident, which
left Don in a wheelchair, Don continued to roll coins and give thousands
of them away, just to see the smiles of the recipients.

Don should NEVER be forgotten! Especially now that he needs a little
pick-me-up!!! So I say: If you happen to have an extra "cheering-up"
elongated coin -- Make his day by sending it to him!!!

Don Wilkinson TEC#1079
5700 Flagler Street
Metaire, LA 70003

--Willy

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Wed, 16 Jul 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:
>
> > Don has been very sick the past few years. Saw him at ANA Detroit 94
> > but not at Denver 96.
>
> This is very sad. It seems we are quickly losing many of the
> people who really mad elongates a viable colecting category. I can only
> hope there are people to follow in their footsteps. I know no one will
> be able to fill their shoes.
>
> I will remove Don from my list until I hear otherwise.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 17 Jul 1997 09:04:42 -0400

When is the Mass convention again? I thought it was around the same time.
I have a wedding to go to during the NY ANA convention. But, if someone
could pick up a set for me, I'll pay them back!

- Jeff

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Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: (elongates) Los Vegas pennies
Date: 17 Jul 1997 09:34:58 -0400

Hi Nikki,
Can you pick me up one from Barstow Station? I have only a couple from
Vegas - at the Excalibur.
Any others would be appreciated! :)

Thanks,

- Jeff

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Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Bert Creighton <bertc@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: (elongates) Los Vegas pennies
Date: 17 Jul 1997 08:46:15 -0700

Hi Nikki,

I'd love to get descriptions of the machines, their pennies/quarters, and
locations from Barstow and Las Vegas. The coins would also be wonderful,
and I will trade for things I have.

Bert

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>Date: 07/17 6:34 AM
>Received: 07/17 6:43 AM
>From: Jeff Dixon, jeffd@kurzweil.com
>Reply-To: Mailing List Penny, elongates@mail.xmission.com
>To: elongates@xmission.com
>
>Hi Nikki,
>Can you pick me up one from Barstow Station? I have only a couple from
>Vegas - at the Excalibur.
>Any others would be appreciated! :)
>
>Thanks,
>
>- Jeff
>
> -- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
>Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
>Software Engineer
>Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
>411 Waverley Oaks Road
>Waltham, MA 02154
>
>
>
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From: Bert Creighton <bertc@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Meet
Date: 17 Jul 1997 09:09:04 -0700

Greetings Everyone,

I too am a Premium Holder and L O V E being at the Happiest Place On
Earth (cause it has all those Eurolink machines!).

I hope you will get the word out about the Disneyland meeting, even to
friends that may not know about collecting, but are Disney/Land fans...
Visiting Disneyland can get into many new levels, even for us Premium
Pass Holders. There are Hidden Mickeys (found elsewhere on the net),
Disneyland Secrets (also found on other parts of the net), and of course
--> Pennies, Nickels and Quarters smashed into new designs.

Come for a couple of hours or a day. We're gonna have fun!

Bert

>
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>Date: 07/16 11:47 PM
>Received: 07/16 11:52 PM
>From: tink!!!, dvlgrl66hatesspam@concentric.net
>Reply-To: Mailing List Penny, elongates@mail.xmission.com
>To: Mailing List Penny, elongates@mail.xmission.com
>
>greetings all!!!
>
>i have to admit it-i'm a premium annual passport snob... but the good
>news is-because of this, i got a postcard in the mail today stating that
>with my card, i can take 4 people into the park for just $26 each!!!

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From: Bert Creighton <bertc@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Meet
Date: 17 Jul 1997 09:15:31 -0700

Pete (Squished Penny Museum),

Do you have some LOST Wages locations for Nikki? I know there are some
quarter machines there, and would love to get the locations...

Thanks

bc

>> so let me know if anyone is interested. also, if i find any machines in
>> vegas...same deal, i'll try to pick up a couple extras...
>
> Well, I just checked out both Willy's Hitchiker's Guide and Bert
>Smashed Coin Locator and they're both pretty slim for Vegas. Over the
>last two years or so I have heard reports of: 3 different machines in
>Excalibur, one in the Rio, several (including quarters!) in Circus
>Circus, and one in the Luxor (is that the right name? The big black
>pyramid).

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From: Pete Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Lost Wages
Date: 17 Jul 1997 13:26:00 PDT

ps-next weekend, i'll be heading to vegas for my bday, and if the
machine is still there, i'm gonna pick up a couple more squishies from
the 'barstow station' (the halfway point between el lay and las vegas),
so let me know if anyone is interested. also, if i find any machines in
vegas...same deal, i'll try to pick up a couple extras...
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Nikki-
I have discovered 4 machines in Vegas:

Circus Circus: penny machine just inside entrance of Grand Slam Canyon

Excalibur: one machine somewhere just off the casino floor (can't recall the
exact location)

Stratoshere: at least 2 machines on observation deck (at least three distict
designs)

Happy hunting.

-Pete

P.S. While you're there, play the change machines. You can't lose.

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 17 Jul 1997 17:29:03 -0700

Both the ANA and TEC elongated sets will be available thru the TEC
Newsletter, for anyone that can't make the big show.

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> When is the Mass convention again? I thought it was around the same time.
> I have a wedding to go to during the NY ANA convention. But, if someone
> could pick up a set for me, I'll pay them back!
>
> - Jeff
>
> -- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
> Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
> Software Engineer
> Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
> 411 Waverley Oaks Road
> Waltham, MA 02154

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

******** ****************** ******************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Rollers
Date: 17 Jul 1997 21:14:18 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:

> I will remove Don from my list until I hear otherwise.
>

I would tend to leave him on because I think he still rolls but not very
much.

Bob

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 17 Jul 1997 21:26:25 -0400

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> When is the Mass convention again? I thought it was around the same time.

The NENA Convention is 22-23 August in Marlborough, MA.

Bob Fritsch
President, NENA

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Counterstamping
Date: 17 Jul 1997 21:10:26 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Some time ago someone (sorry I don't remember who) asked about
methods for counterstamping coins. Several ideas were presented. I am
curious to know what became of the situation. Did you find what you were
looking for? How difficult was the search? Costs?

On a similar note: Has anyone ever counterstamped an elongate?
Elongated a counterstamped coin? Inquiring minds want to know!

Peace,

Aahz

~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: (elongates) Let's Promote TEC
Date: 18 Jul 1997 00:26:56 -0700

Anyone interested in earning a VERY limited edition elongated nicked,
issued by TEC???

TEC annually rewards those who go out of their way to promote TEC and
elongated coins in general... With a special "TEC MERIT AWARD" elongated
nickel -- They are very nice! You don't need to produce elongateds to
earn one either... One easy way to earn such a coin is to bring in a
bunch of new members to TEC. Here's an easy way to do this:

Place TEC membership applications on top of the "vending" type of
machines that we all know and love (with permission of the location's
management, of course). Make sure that you sign YOUR name (with TEC #)
on the bottom of the application where it reads: TEC SPONSOR.

If necessary, Howard Sharkey (the TEC Secretary) has TEC applications
that are setup four to a sheet, and would gladly send you some so that
you may make as many copies as you like. It's hard for me to believe
that most of the rolling machines out there make no reference to TEC.
So, it's up to us to keep bringing in new blood!
--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

******** ****************** ******************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Let's Promote TEC
Date: 17 Jul 1997 21:27:20 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Place TEC membership applications on top of the "vending" type of
> machines that we all know and love (with permission of the location's
> management, of course). Make sure that you sign YOUR name (with TEC #)
> on the bottom of the application where it reads: TEC SPONSOR.
>
> If necessary, Howard Sharkey (the TEC Secretary) has TEC applications
> that are setup four to a sheet, and would gladly send you some so that
> you may make as many copies as you like.

This is another wonderful idea!! I talk up TEC whenever
possible, but know that many, many people out there regularly collect at
machines and have NO idea that anyone else has an interest in these
items. Other then camping next to a machine 24/7 this is the best idea
I've heard yet for bringing fresh people into TEC.

> It's hard for me to believe
> that most of the rolling machines out there make no reference to TEC.

Actually, this doesn't really surprise me. I have written to Tom
DuBois (President of The San Francisco Penny Machine Company) several
times with questions, and all I get is: "we don't give company
information to non-employees". As for Eurolink, several e-mails and two
letters have gone unanswered in the last two years 8-(. It seems to me
that these companies really don't grasp the concept of a consumer base
for their product. They seem unable to break out of the "impulse buyer"
product mindset.

Peace,

Aahz

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Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Counterstamping
Date: 18 Jul 1997 00:37:40 -0700

Dear Chris (and curious others),

I counterstamp numbers on quarters prior to rolling them when producing
my serial numbered elongated quarter key-fobs (for my key retrieval
service). The numbers get stretched and remain incuse... looks pretty
cool (if I do say so myself).

I have also rolled a few cents that had "I love You" (with a heart)
counterstamped in front of Lincoln's depiction -- they too came out very
nicely. However, I have had no desire to counterstamp an elongated,
after the fact.

Hope this answers your question.

--Willy
TEC 1857

Chris Aahz wrote:

> ... On a similar note: Has anyone ever counterstamped an elongate?
> Elongated a counterstamped coin? Inquiring minds want to know!
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Machine in Pismo Beach
Date: 17 Jul 1997 22:11:22 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

I've got another machine to report to the location keepers. I
recently purchased a lot of elongates at eBay from Mart Wilburn
<MWWilburn@sycamore.com> and he was kind enough to include a bonus
elongate. My "bonus" was a coin from Pismo Beach, CA. It is vertical
with an open clam pictured in the center and "Happy As A Clam" curving
around the top, and "In Pismo Beach" curving around the bottom. It's got
the Eurolink 'e' in the border at the top.

When I inquired about the location of the machine, Mart replied:

"My wife picked that one up at the small shopping mall
near the pier in Pismo Beach, CA. She didn't say what
the name of the mall was, other than it was at the pier."

Now you know all that I do.

Peace,

Aahz

~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Foreign Language Fluency
Date: 18 Jul 1997 00:14:44 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

I have been working on my new cataloging system for Lord's Prayer
elongates and have run across a small problem: I only speak English. Any
chance we've got people on here that are fluent in Spanish, French or
Latin? I need literal translations of several different LPs in these
languages in order to properly categorize them. HELP!!

Responses off the list would be preferred as I doubt fluency is
of major interest to the majority of subscribers.

Peace,

Aahz

~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Meet
Date: 18 Jul 1997 03:16:19 -0400 (EDT)

To those going to Disneyland:
Be sure to pick-up the newest coins, the Hercules set (what did you expect?)
They are three quarter machines featuring Hercules, Meg and Pegasus.
Their last known location ws the Penny Arcade, home of the no apparent
purpose taffy machine.
Note also that the Pieces of eight shop has reopened and the Pirates penny is
back.
If anyone runs across the Splash Mountain penny. please squoooosh me a
couple, it has been missing for some time.

Mickey M
Patina green with envy.

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 18 Jul 1997 10:12:19 -0400

Cool. Thanks!
At 05:29 PM 7/17/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Both the ANA and TEC elongated sets will be available thru the TEC
>Newsletter, for anyone that can't make the big show.

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Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Meet
Date: 18 Jul 1997 10:40:46 -0400

Oooh oooh ooh! Can someone press me the Hercules set. I'm still missing
the Splash Mountain penny too (I think).

- Jeff
At 03:16 AM 7/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>To those going to Disneyland:
>Be sure to pick-up the newest coins, the Hercules set (what did you expect?)
>They are three quarter machines featuring Hercules, Meg and Pegasus.
>Their last known location ws the Penny Arcade, home of the no apparent
>purpose taffy machine.
>Note also that the Pieces of eight shop has reopened and the Pirates penny is
>back.
>If anyone runs across the Splash Mountain penny. please squoooosh me a
>couple, it has been missing for some time.
>
>Mickey M
>Patina green with envy.
>
>
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From: dmcdonal@tvsw.org (David McDonald)
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 18 Jul 1997 14:47:34 -0500

>Cool. Thanks!
>At 05:29 PM 7/17/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>Both the ANA and TEC elongated sets will be available thru the TEC
>>Newsletter, for anyone that can't make the big show.
>
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>Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
>Software Engineer
>Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
>411 Waverley Oaks Road
>Waltham, MA 02154

How does one get ahold of the TEC newsletter?

David E. McDonald

451 East Sanborn Street

Winona, MN 55987-4047
.
dmcdonal@tvsw.org

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From: "Paul Richards" <stat@iu.net>
Subject: (elongates) Internet and Coin Collecting Article
Date: 18 Jul 1997 17:26:01 -0400

Dear listers,

A draft of an article on the Internet and Coin Collecting is ready for your
review. The article is designed to encourage non-computing collectors to
get their feet wet in cyberspace. It covers the WWW, News Groups, E-mail
and List Servers, with emphasis on the coins list, the acoins list, the
numism-l list, the elongates list and the Coinmasters club. There are four
graphic figures.

I am very interested in hearing your critique of the material. After a
week or so of review and refinement, I plan to send a manuscript to Mr. Ed
Reiter of COINage magazine for his perusal.

Find the article by starting at the Stat-Matics home page

http://www.statmatics.com/

or go directly there at

http://www.statmatics.com/sm_art01.htm

My thanks go to all those who have contributed so far. These people are:

Harry Bass hwbass@hbrf.org
Andrew Bennett andybennet@compuserve.com
Bill Thayer petworth@suba.com
David Garstang garstang@electriciti.com
Don Hebert dhebert@sprynet.com
Goeffrey Bard gbard@clientele.com
Jay King jayking@ricochet.net
Jim Mason mason_j@gse.utah.edu
John Darling darling@jeffnet.org
Kelly Anderson kelly@acoin.com
Ken Milenko magicken@baynet.net
Kevin Barry kbarry@ancients.cnchost.com
Mathiew S. Boutruche boutruc@ibm.net
Michael Berkman mberkman@msn.com
Michael Feyms@aol.com
Paul Gold paulg@teletrade.com
Pete Bishal danutt@cntn.net
Peter Kraneveld peterk@mail.club-internet.fr
Roger Thomas thomas5@wave-net.net
Simcha Kuritzky simcha_kuritzky@mail.amsinc.com
Steve Carr scarr@gvi.net
Stuart Segan stuart_segan@orangemicro.com
Paul Landsberg paws@vlsi.columbia.edu
Jim Paul cameocoins@zianet.com
John Bordner jwb209@epix.net
Chris Aahz aahz@svpal.org
Gary Wagnon Sr. garysddc@tcoast.4ez.com
Aram Haroutunian bustpoet@ix.netcom.com

Thanks again, and all the best to you,

Paul Richards stat@iu.net

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From: ENTROPYM@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Let's Promote TEC
Date: 18 Jul 1997 21:38:30 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 7/19/97 4:52:18 AM , you write:

<< This is another wonderful idea!! I talk up TEC whenever
possible, but know that many, many people out there regularly collect at
machines and have NO idea that anyone else has an interest in these
items. Other then camping next to a machine 24/7 this is the best idea
I've heard yet for bringing fresh people into TEC.
>>

Aahz has the right idea, I just sent in my $10 so I can also have a cool TEC
number.

I was one of those people to who he refered. I collected all of the
Disneyland pennies for fun one trip. Then I got the whole Paramount's Great
America set when I was there. This was just on a whim. I had no idea that
there was actually an entire smashed/pressed/elongated penny collector's
infrastructure. I thought that my collection was a little on the eccentric
side until I found out that there was a whole bunch more ...er...eccentrics
out there.
Frankly, you people scare me. :)

Mickey M

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Website is up! (fwd)
Date: 18 Jul 1997 19:30:16 -0700 (PDT)

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Chris,

My Disneyland coin guide website is up! It's up-to-date too. Check it
out at:

URL:HERE

I'll eventually have all the coin images up for downloading. I'll try
to make it more legible for non-graphical users later.

David

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Let's Promote TEC
Date: 18 Jul 1997 19:37:26 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 ENTROPYM@aol.com wrote:

> I was one of those people to who he refered. I collected all of the
<snip>
> side until I found out that there was a whole bunch more ...er...eccentrics
> out there.
> Frankly, you people scare me. :)

If this eccentricity scares you, you should see the extant of my
vampire collection! Now THAT'S eccentric (and scary).

Peace,

Aahz

~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 18 Jul 1997 19:44:51 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, David McDonald wrote:

> How does one get ahold of the TEC newsletter?
>
You join TEC. It's only $10 a year and not only do you get TEC
News, but you get to "meet" a lot oc cool people and get freebies to boot!
Not mention you'll get your very own TEC number to put in your messages 8-)

You can request a sample copy of the newsletter from Howard
Sharkey, but you won't necessarily get the most recent ish. I am
assuming you're looking for the issue w/ the con coins offered. Howard's
address is on the membership form I am sending in a message directly to you.

Peace,

Aahz

~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA convention
Date: 18 Jul 1997 23:44:33 -0700

Just join TEC!!! Their newsletter comes out quarterly. There is a TEC
application at:
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/tec.htm

--Willy

>
> How does one get ahold of the TEC newsletter?
>
> David E. McDonald
>

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Internet and Coin Collecting Article
Date: 18 Jul 1997 23:49:21 -0700

Paul Richards wrote:
>
> I am very interested in hearing your critique of the material. After a
> week or so of review and refinement, I plan to send a manuscript to Mr. Ed
> Reiter of COINage magazine for his perusal.
>

Paul,
Before offering any furter critiques.... It would be nice if you would
answer the questions that I had previously aked on this matter!

--Will

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine in Pismo Beach
Date: 19 Jul 1997 01:23:17 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-18 06:34:41 EDT, you write:

>
> "My wife picked that one up at the small shopping mall
> near the pier in Pismo Beach, CA. She didn't say what
> the name of the mall was, other than it was at the pier."
>
> Now you know all that I do.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>

Hi All,

Just got back from a week away. I see lots of replies to my "Elongate Paint"
request. A big thanks for all replies. I will read them first thing in the
AM Sat. I hope to put the knowelge to good use!

The note above fro Aahz caught my eye, I just happend to be driving past
Pismo today! Missed the machine!! But spotted one at 833 Embarcadero in
Morro Bay CA, not far from Pismo! It's a horizontal elongate cent with a Sea
Otter pictured at sea. Just a block south on the other side of the street at
"The Captain's" store, is another elongate machine, also a Eurolink, and very
much like the first but with the Morro Rock pictured instead of the Otter.
Also found a couple of machines on "Cannery Row" in Monterey. I believe
these machines are well known, if not, let me know and I'll post the
discriptions and address...... Sorry, I'm in mind fade right now, long drive
today and it's late (for me)...

-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

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From: "tink!!!" <dvlgrl66hatesspam@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Let's Promote TEC
Date: 18 Jul 1997 23:27:30 -0700

> > side until I found out that there was a whole bunch more ...er...eccentrics
> > out there.
> > Frankly, you people scare me. :)
>
> If this eccentricity scares you, you should see the extant
> of my vampire collection! Now THAT'S eccentric (and scary).

yes, chris, BUT...do you have permanent fangs???

-nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f-- - s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Vampires (WAY off topic-but fun)
Date: 19 Jul 1997 01:49:33 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, tink!!! wrote:

> > If this eccentricity scares you, you should see the extant
> > of my vampire collection! Now THAT'S eccentric (and scary).
>
> yes, chris, BUT...do you have permanent fangs???
>

Only the ones I was made with. If you note in my .sig below, I
am a vampire hunter, not one of them. There are more then enough people
walking around with dental implants, I do not feel the need to join
them. I prefer a challenge to my hunt. Why prey on the weak?

Peace,

Aahz

~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~

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From: "Paul Richards" <stat@iu.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Internet and Coin Collecting Article
Date: 19 Jul 1997 09:24:15 -0400

Will,

> Before offering any furter critiques.... It would be nice if you would
> answer the questions that I had previously aked on this matter!

Sorry, Will, I must have missed your question. I have been out of town for
two weeks and the e-mail piled up a mile high. In addition, my wife and I
share the same e-mail address, and Diane gets 150 messages per day about
German Shepherd Dogs. Yikes! We are in the process of fixing this
back-up, but we are not there yet.

Again, sorry I missed your inquiries. Can you repeat them?

Paul R.

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Silver Quarters
Date: 19 Jul 1997 15:29:45 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-10 18:15:18 EDT, you write:

> > As with all coins, you should consult a coin pricing guide or coin shop.
> > I have found many bookstores carrying paperback (and hard cover) books
on
> > coin prices. Be sure you are not smashing something of real numismatic
> > value.
> >
>

Best prices I've seen to the public was at the Long Beach Coin Show (other
shows should have similiar prices). The quarters, 1964's were uncirculated
("BU") at 3.5 times face in rolls of 40.

-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 19 Jul 1997 15:29:51 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-11 00:43:42 EDT, you write:

> Hey, has anyone ever tried silver quarters? I've never even SEEN a quarter

> press or I'd
> try it myself... Silver quarters in poor condition still polish up pretty

> nicely!
>
> Later...
>
> Ben Lavine
>

Hi Ben;

Yes, I use silver quarters. I like the finish and look. But, the quarters
cost about 80 cents each, so, you want to make sure that the roller is
working just right.

-Bob Hoff
TEC #2033

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 19 Jul 1997 15:29:53 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-11 04:20:49 EDT, you write:

> Now THIS is great idea! We can have the first ever Elongated
> Coin Mailing List Meet, Trade session, and Collection trip! I would LOVE
> to put faces to some of these names. I'm in Northern California, so
> could probably drive down for the weekend (How much is DL admission these
> days?)
>
> How many people would be interested/able to make a trip to Disneyland?
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
> ~

Sounds like fun!!!

-Bob Hoff
TEC #2033

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Ideas
Date: 19 Jul 1997 15:30:01 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-13 01:12:41 EDT, you write:

> I'll get some possible ideas and put them up here on the mailing list.
> One possible idea would be to meet at Beliles (I may have spelled this
> wrong) for breakfast before going into the park. It was started in 1955,
> the same year as Disneyland and they serve over-sized portions you won't
> believe! It is only a few blocks from the park...
>
>

As I remember, they have man-sized pancakes etc. No, not a man's portion.
They are the size of a man! :-)

You were close on the spelling, it's Belisle's (BELL EYE-EL's) (714)750-6560.
They are on Harbor Blvd at I THINK Chapman maybe a mile or two from DL (They
are long blocks, but, the place is sooooo "different" that many people don't
mind.) The restruant as I remember is bright pink with huge portions and a
most eclectic group of customers.

Happy Collecting
-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 19 Jul 1997 15:30:04 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-13 20:51:40 EDT, you write:

> If someone is going to get a set of Disneyland coins together. I would be
> interested in a set of those also.
> Mark
>

Hi Mark and All;

I'm thinking on it. The list of the DL machines on the net has me planning
on how to best attack the park. :-) If I can find a way to get this old gray
body 'round the park with a load of cents and quarters, I just may have some
trades for us. I'll post on this subject in about 10 days after I've given
it a try at DL. I'm thinking I'd just press a bunch and set them aside for
folks that would like to trade? With the group's planned trip to DL, many
want lists will be filled then, but, I could do the "fill-ins"?

Happy Collecting,
-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Counterstamping
Date: 19 Jul 1997 15:30:08 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-18 15:09:15 EDT, you write:

> Greetings & Salutations!
>
> Some time ago someone (sorry I don't remember who) asked about
> methods for counterstamping coins. Several ideas were presented. I am
> curious to know what became of the situation. Did you find what you were
> looking for? How difficult was the search? Costs?
>
> On a similar note: Has anyone ever counterstamped an elongate?
> Elongated a counterstamped coin? Inquiring minds want to know!
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>

Hi Aahz!

It was me! I asked about the counter stamping. I received some names, and a
lot of leads (Thank you all) but, have not called as I have been out of town.
Other than standard dies from Home Depot ( I could find numbers and letters,
but no patterns).

The names were:

It sounds like you want to mark your coins with a punch of some type.
As Chris said, the ready made ones are relatively inexpensive. Anything
else would have to be a special order.

It all depends upon how you want to mark your coins. There are those
Lincoln cents with all sorts of things stamped on them (a pipe, Kennedy,
Masonic emblem, etc). If that is your desire, you must find someone to
make the punch for you. Look in the phone book for "Die Sinkers
(makers)."

Letter and number punches are readily available for a few dollars each.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
TEC #1871

Hi all.

Two sources to try for dies for countermarking:

Henry A. Evers Corp.
72 N. Oxford St.
Providence, RI 02905
Ph. 401-781-4767
Fax 401-781-9581

OR

Centaur Forge. ltd.
P.O. Box 340-A
117 N. Spring St.
Burlington, WI 53105
Ph. 414-763-9175
Fax 414-763-8350

If you send Centaur Forge a hand drawn design of what you want, and the
desired overall height. They will send you a written quote within a few
days.

If you contact either of these companies, please let them know that
their information was passed along from ads in 'The Blade' magazine.

Good luck.

Ben Lavine
mcsquare@erols.com

-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW Pennies
Date: 19 Jul 1997 15:30:26 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-11 07:11:34 EDT, you write:

> On Wed, 9 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:
>
> > I'd bite at $125.00 +/- on pre '82's would even go for the quarters and
> > nickels if he has 'um. Even if I was "on property", I'd pay that. Man,

> what
> > a job (unless you are rolling a pile of them at one time).
>
> Well, if we count Bob in, we're down to $142.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>

Maybe we could ask "Big Al" to make up the sets and sell at a price to those
that use a special order or are listed as group buyers? It would keep us
from the worries and maybe we could gather outside collectors to add to our
number?

-Bob Hoff
TEC #2033

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From: Bert Creighton <bertc@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: (elongates) Machine in Pismo Beach
Date: 20 Jul 1997 09:24:48 -0700

Greetings,

On behalf of the "location keepers" -- thanks for our first Pizmo Beach
location! Now, we just need someone to stop by this machine on their next
Pizmo trip. 8-)

Thanks again Aahz for all your contributions!

Bert
Location Keeper
'Lookin' forward to this List's 1st Meeting at Disneyland'

>
> I've got another machine to report to the location keepers.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <bertc@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: (elongates) Let's Promote TEC
Date: 20 Jul 1997 09:24:52 -0700

Greetings All,

> Actually, this doesn't really surprise me. I have written to Tom
>DuBois (President of The San Francisco Penny Machine Company) several
>times with questions, and all I get is: "we don't give company
>information to non-employees". As for Eurolink, several e-mails and two
>letters have gone unanswered in the last two years 8-(. It seems to me
>that these companies really don't grasp the concept of a consumer base
>for their product. They seem unable to break out of the "impulse buyer"
>product mindset.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz

I wanted to offer some additional information on this topic. I too have
tried to contact the San Francisco Penny Machine Company, with no
response. I also have tried to contact the Aloha Penny Machine company in
Hawaii on several occaisions, and they never return my calls.

I have had contact with Eurolink. They are in their "season" and are very
busy now, working across the country (and presumably the world),
installing new machines, repairing and updating older machines and
working on new locations.

I hope we can get more locations, and information from these companies.
It will greatly aid us in collecting/trading AND it will help them in
their revenue streams!

Bert

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Machine companies (Long but important!)
Date: 20 Jul 1997 14:15:25 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> I hope we can get more locations, and information from these companies.
> It will greatly aid us in collecting/trading AND it will help them in
> their revenue streams!

This seems like a prefect (and very necessary) project for this
list to take on. Perhaps one (or more) of you that attend the ANA
convention can talk this up with TEC people there. We've got the power
of The Elongated Coin Mailing List (about 30 members), TEC (hundreds of
members), and an institution (The Squished Penny Museum) behind us.
Let's put some (friendly) pressure on these companies. The way I see it
these are the things we need to do to have the greatest chance of success:

1) Compile a list of company addresses.

The San Francisco Penny Machine Company can be reached at:

Tom BuBois
San Francisco Penny Machine Company
115 Fair Ave.
Petaluma, CA 94952

Phone: (707) 763-8583

Eurolink can be reached at:

Eurolink
930 Huber Street, Suite H
Grover Beach, CA 93433

Phone: (805) 481-4507
FAX: (805) 481-4512
E-Mail: EurolinkCA@aol.com
(A contact name is always helpful if anyone has one)

I had never heard of the Aloha Penny Company unti Bert just
mentioned them. If you have ANY contact information on other machine
companies please post it to the list. Another company is called Uncommon
Sense.
Where do you get this info? Well, sometimes it's on the machines
themselves. You can ask a clerk at the store for the information. They
usually have a business card or at least a number to call if the machine
breaks. Or you can write to the attraction that hosts the machines. I
have found that tourist spots, amusement parks and zoos all respond
quickly and thoroughly to any queries they receive.

2) Decide what it is we need to know.

Most key is a list of machine locations. I would also like to know
things like what "signatures" are on their coins (and when they started
using them), what happens to machine signage when a machine is removed.
Do they have records of where machines USED to be.

3) Start contacting them and asking for either answers to these
questions or to have a representative that can communicate with our
representative (or the list directly).
My activist days taught me that if a matter is not of extreme
urgency, snail mail is the best way to get a message across. Large
numbers of phone calls quickly cause an annoyance and e-mail can be
deleted too easily. This isn't to say that these methods should not be
used, simply that they should always be followed up by a traditional letter.
Also, numbers count. Does anyone know how many members TEC has?
If we can inform them that we represent an organization of x number of
members it will probably pull more weight. If no one posts membership
numbers before ANA could someone please inquire at the TEC meeting?

4) Create a form letter.

While personal letters hold SLIGHTLY more weight than
form letters, both work well. These letters should be no more than one
page and cover salient points: who we are and what we want. It is
important for people to include their TEC numbers and mention the list
in their communication.
Anyone care to write a form letter and post it to the list? If we can run off some
copies of such a letter (one for each company whose address we get) and
have them available at the TEC table at ANA this would be great!

5) Get more people involved.

This is mainly up to the convention goers. When you talk to
people at cons about elongates, bring the topic up.

Okay, this is getting really long, so I'm going to cut it here.
This should get those thoughts flowing. Your input is both welcome and
important.

Peace,

Aahz

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Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Letter writing campaign idea
Date: 20 Jul 1997 14:27:51 -0700 (PDT)

I just had a brilliant idea. If any of you are unaware of it Pete
Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com> is the co-founder/operator of The
Squished Penny Museum in Washington D.C. as well as a list subscriber
(and all around nice guy 8-). Each time I have traded with Pete he has
included some beautiful postcards advertising the SPM. I would assume
(although I recommend waiting for a confirmation from Pete) that if you
were to send an elongate or two to the SPM, he would send you a few
postcards in return.
These postcards would be perfect for sending a short note to
the machine companies! They are even more likely to impress upon these
companies that there is a serious bodies of collectors out here pouring
money into their machines.

Also, each time I have received a response from SFPMC they've
sent several free pennies along with their (closed mouth) letter. So if
you don't see how this letter writing campaign can benefit you
personally, free elongates should be some motivation. Even if you don't
like/already have the freebies they send, they can always be traded!

Peace,

Aahz

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Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Rolling Mill (fwd)
Date: 20 Jul 1997 18:05:36 -0700 (PDT)

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Chris,
Ther is one at Stew Leonards a grocery store, it is in Brookfield Ct.
on Federal rd.
There are no markings on it to denote the maker.
Tony

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) New Trade List (1 of 5)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 00:00:35 -0700 (PDT)

Okay, here's my latest trade list. Once again, I'm going to post
it to the list in five sections. If you would prefer a copy in a single
e-mail or sent as an attached file, just let me know.

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Aahz' Elongates Trade List
Updated: 07/20/97

Chris Aahz
925 Ravenscourt Ave #2
San Jose, CA 95128

Aahz@svpal.org

Well, I have been working on my cataloging/naming system, so
several elongates on the list have different names than they did on
my last list. Most of the name changes have the former name listed as
well to help avoid confusion. This is an ongoing process, so if there
is any confusion over wether or not a name has been changed or it's a
new elongate, just ask.

Most of my elongates were purchased for the approximate issue
price of 50c, however, some cost me more. As a result I have come up
with a UNIT designation for each item on the list. The UNIT level is
set at MY COST. There is not a profit margin built in for trades. I
have designated one UNIT to equal one currently available elongate.
So, if an item is listed as 3 UNITs, then my asking 'price' is 3
currently available elongates. If you have older elongates to trade,
or other items, then I'm sure we can agree on something that is fair.
The UNIT designation is basically a starting point. If you prefer
purchase over trade, then consider 1 UNIT to equal 75c.

As I have multiple copies of many coins I can't describe
condition here. If condition is an issue, let me know in your trade
request and I will do my best to explain on the items you're
interested in.

My wants at this time are:
1) Elongates w/ the Lord's Prayer
2) Elongates on foreign coins
3) TEC Elongates
4) Elongates from/relating to San Francisco
5) Tourist Location Elongates
6) Souvenir Coins/Tokens/Wooden Nickels/Self-Punch Tokens
7) Store Card Elongates
8) Coin Club/Show Elongates
9) Halloween Elongates
10) Humorous/Oddball Items

If you're looking for something I don't have, let me know and
I'll keep my eyes open. I love to trade, so negotiating is not a
problem.

UNITS ITEM NAME DESCRIPTION {NOTES}
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Elongates (Coin Clubs/Shows)-
1 Santa Barbara Coin Club v. Club logo, "40th Year/1956-1996/
Santa Barbara Coin Club/Santa Barbara
CA/P.O. Box 6205/93160"
1 1994 ANA Convention v. Antique truck, "103rd ANA
Convention/July 27-31/1994/Detroit,
Mich."
Elongates (Disney)-
3 Pirates of the Caribbean h. Cannon, "Pirates of the Caribbean/
Disneyland"
Elongates (Holiday)-
S '94 Hanukka h. Menorah, "Happy Hanukka/1994/
<hebrew writing>" {on Israeli 1 Agora
coin, trade for foriegn only}
1 Brazzell Seasons Greeting h. "Season's Greetings/Jane and Frank
Brazzell"
1 Christmas - Loaded Santa v. Santa w/ bag full o' goodies,
"Merry Christmas"
1 Christmas/New Year 1983 v. Christmas Tree, "Merry Christmas/
Happy New Year/1983"
1 Christmas/New Year Santa v. Santa, "Merry Christmas/Happy New
Year"
1 Christmas Note h. Santa w/ pen, "A Christmas Note/To
Keep In Touch/With Special Folks/Who
Mean So Much"
1 Christmas Snowman v. Snowman w/ scarf, hat & broom,
"Christmas Greetings"
1 Dancing Santa v. Santa 'Dancing', "Merry Christmas"
1 Dillard Noel v. Streetlight, full moon, holly,
"Noel/Merry Christmas"
1 Flat Out Santa h. Santa's Face, "Oh My! I have been
rolled and stretched to wish you a
Flat-Out Merry Christmas"
1 House to House Christmas h. Two houses exchanging gifts, "Merry
Christmas From Our House To Yours"
1 Michal Powers 1st B-day v. Birthday cake w/ one candle, "Happy
/Birthday/Michael/Michael James/Powers
/November 7/1984"
1 Santa - Fireplace v. Santa in front of fireplace w/
stocking, voice bubble: "Merry
Christmas"
1 Santa - Fireplace 2 v. Santa in front of fireplace w/
stocking and holly, voice bubble:
"Merry Christmas"
1 Sears Christmas v. Rudolph w/ Shining Nose, "Merry/
Christmas/From/Russ/Sears"
1 Snowy Season's Greetings h. Snowflakes, "Season's/Greetings"
1 X-mas & New Year Santa v. Santa's Face, "Merry Christmas/
Happy New Year"
1 Xmas-Long-Gaited Reindeer h. Holly, Reindeer, "Merry Christmas/
Long-Gaited Reindeer"

Elongates (Inspirational)-
1 Easy Does It h. "Easy/Does It!"
1 Educate Yourself h. Book and Torch, "Educate Yourself/
1 Follow Your Dreams v. Unicorn head, "Follow/Your/Dreams"
{Dime}
Read and Learn/At Your Library"
1 I Knew I Could v. Train Engine, "I/Knew/I/Could"
1 I'm On The Right Track v. Train Engine, "I'm On The/Right/
Track"
1 I Think I Can v. Train Engine, "I/Think/I/Can"
1 One Day At A Time h. "One Day At A Time"

~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) New Trade List (2 of 5)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 00:01:31 -0700 (PDT)

Elongates (Lucky Piece)-
1 7 Come 11 v. Dice showing 7, "Come", Dice
showing 11, "My Lucky/Cent" Horseshoe
1 Lucky Cent - Triple v. Horseshoe, Four-leaf Clover,
Rabbit's Foot, "My Lucky Cent"
1 Lucky Lottery Penny v. Outline of Texas w/ Cowboy Hat,
"Lucky/Lottery/Penny"
1 Lucky Unicorn v. Unicorn Head, "Lucky Unicorn"
1 My Lucky Cent-Horseshoe v. Large Horseshoe, Four-leaf Clover,
"My Lucky Cent"
1 My Lucky Coin v. Horseshoe w/ Four-leaf Clovers, "My
Lucky Coin"
1 My Lucky Penny Bingo h. Four-leaf Clover, Bingo card, "My
Lucky Penny"
1 NY Good Luck Penny v. Four-leaf Clover, Horseshoe,
entertwined NY, "Good/Luck/Penny"
Elongates (Military)-
1 20th Special Ops v. Helicopter, Knight Chess Piece,
"20th Special/Operations/Squadron/
MH-53J Pavelow IIIE Green Hornets"
1 101st Airborne (AASLT) v. Helicopter 'wings' logo, "101st
Airborne Division/(AASLT)/Ft.
Campbell, KY"
2 B24 Flying Circus h. B24, "Marvin 'Pete' Burris/Tail
Gunner/Flying Circus/B24 Liberator/529
Squad/5th AAF 380 Bomb Group"
1 Enola Gay Restoration v. Enola Gay dropping bomb, Stealth
Bomber, "Enola Gay-Aug 6, 1945/Pres./
Truman/Authorizes/Atom Bomb/Drop/
Stealth/Restoration Project"
1 Kentucky-Birthplace h. Confederate flag, U.S. flag,
"Kentucky/Birthplace of Davis-Lincoln
/1861/1865/War Between The States"
1 Special Forces v. Special Forces logo, "Special
Forces/To Free The Oppressed"
1 Total Victory h. American flag over stylized V,
"Total Victory/1991/Operation Desert
Storm"
1 USA Frees Kuwait v. Fighter Jet, "U.S.A. Frees Kuwait/
Desert Storm/Jan 16-Feb 18, 1991"
Elongates (Misc.)-
1 1991 Friendship Deer v. Buck jumping hedge, "Frindship/
1991"
1 Arkansas h. obv. State outline, Flower, Bird,
"Arkansas/The Wonder State/Apple
Blossom/Mockingbird" rev. "Don't Say I
Never/Gave You Nothing"
1 Art Seal h. Seal(?) on rock {looks like modern
art sculpture}
1 Bat Logo h. Batman's BatLogo
1 Bedford Gets Electricity h. Light bulb w/ light rays, "People's
Electric Light Co./1891/1904/Bedford
GetsElectricity/1904/1913/Bedford
Light and Power Co."
1 Chinese Love Token v. Circle w/ four couples having sex,
"Chinese Love Token"
1 Firefighter v. Generic FD badge, "Firefighter/
Dedicated To Saving Lives"
1 Friendship (Dreamcatcher) h. Dreamcatcher w/ bison skull,
"Friendship/1989" {Canadian Cent}
1 Gemini - Sex h. nude man and woman (doggie style),
"May 21/June 20/Gemini"
1 Gladiator h. Roman helmet, "Gladiator"
{Canadian Cent}
1 Happy-Sad Face v. obv. 'reversible' Happy-Sad Face,
"Have/A/Nice/Day", rev. "Don't Say I
Never/Gave You Nothing"
1 Hormotoma Whiteavesi v. Seashell, "Hormotosa Whiteavesi/
Silurian"
1 Horse Head v. Horse Head, facing left
1 If No One Claims Me h. "If No One/Claims Me/Within 30 Days
/I'm All Yours"
1 Illinois Sesquicentennial State Outline, "150 Years of Statehood/
Illinois/1818/1968"
1 I Love You (Heart) v. Scroll and Heart, "I/Love/You"
1 Japanese Waterfall v. Waterfall, three Japanese
Characters
1 NEHS Vikings v. Vikings logo, "Northeast Vikings/
NEHS/Oklahoma City/Oklahoma"
1 Oklahoma 60th Anniversary h. State outline, "1907-1967/Oklahoma/
60th Anniversary"
1 Party with the Buffaloes v. Buffalo holding beer bottle and
cigarette, "Party/With/The/Buffaloes"
2 Party/Buffaloes-Nickel v. Buffalo holding beer bottle and
cigarette, "Party/With/The/Buffaloes"
{On nickel}
1 Psittacosaurus h. Dinosaur skeleton, "Psittacosaurus
Cretaceous"
1 Radix School v. Cartoonish Indian brave, "Radix
School"
3 Santa Ana Centennial City Seal, "Santa Ana Centennial/1869/
1969"
2 Save The Whale v. Whale, "Save The Whale"
2 Save The Whales - 1 v. Whale, Heart, "Save The Whales"
2 Save The Whales - 2 v. Whale, Heart, "Save The Whales"
1 Seven Valleys Centennial h. City seal, "1892/Centennial/1992/
Aug./23rd/Seven Valleys, PA."
1 Smile "Smile"
1 Souvenir of Arkansas v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/
Arkansas/Land Of/Opportunity"
1 Souvenir of Delaware v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/
Delaware/First State/Blue Hen/State"
1 Souvenir of Illinois v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/
Illinois/Prairie/State/Land Of/
Lincoln"
1 Souvenir of Kentucky v. State Outline, "Commonwealth/Of/
Kentucky/Home Of The/Kentucky Derby/
The/Blue Grass/State"
1 Souvenir of Massachusetts v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/
Massachusetts/The/Bay/State"
1 Souvenir of Montana v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/Montana
/Big Sky/Country"
1 Souvenir of N. Carolina v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/North/
Carolina/The/Tar Heel/State"
1 Souvenir of Nebraska v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/
Nebraska/The/Cornhusker/State"
1 Souvenir of New Mexico v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/New/
Mexico/Land/Of/Enchantment"
1 Souvenir of Rhode Island v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/Rhode/
Island/The Ocean/State"
1 Souvenir of S. Carolina v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/South/
Carolina/The/Palmetto/State"
1 Souvenir of Utah v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/Utah/
The Salt/Lake State"
1 Souvenir of Wisconsin v. State outline, "Souvenir/Of/
America's/Dairy Land/Wisconsin/The
Badger/State"
1 Telescope v. Outlined telescope
1 Texas 125th Anniversary v. Texas Outline w/ star, "Texas/1845-
1970/125th/Anniv."
1 The Drinking Class h. Hand holding beer mug, "Work/Is
The/Curse Of/The/Drinking/Class"
1 Things To Do Today (Sex) h. Couple in missionary position,
"Things To Do/Today!"
1 T-Rex v. Tyrannosaurus Rex, "T-Rex"
2 Tustin Centennial "1868/Tustin Centennial/1968/Tustin,
California"
1 Tyrannosaurus Rex v. T-rex, "Tyrannosaurus Rex"
1 USS High Purvis Reunion 2 v. Hippocampus, "2nd/Ships Reunion/
U.S.S. Hugh Purvis/D.D. 709/Aug. 22,
1992"
1 Virginia 180th Anniv. h. State outline, "Virginia/1788-1968/
180th Anniv."
2 Viva Chihuahua v. Chihuahua standing on hind feet,
"Good Luck/Viva Chihuahua"
1 War Eagle Scrollwork, "War/Eagle/Auburn/Alabama"
{Canadian Cent}
1 Waterloo Boy h. Tractor, "Waterloo Boy"
1 'Y' v. "Y"
1 You Are Special To Me v. Heart, "You Are Very Special To Me"
1 Zebra Service Award h. Zebra, "Zebra Service Award"

~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~~Chris Aahz~<Aahz@svpal.org>~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~
Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062 exCoinMasters #182 RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List (elongates@xmission.com)
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) New Trade List (3 of 5)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 00:02:11 -0700 (PDT)

Elongates (Patriotic)-
1 American Shield h. Striped Shield, "America/The
Beautiful"
1 Keep It Flying h. American Flag waving in the wind,
"Keep It Flying"
1 US Constitution Preamble v. <Preamble to the Constitution>

Elongates (People)-
1 Bob Wieland h. Man w/ arms out (t-shirt says 'Walk
For Hunger'), "Bob Weiland/2784 Miles/
Hands Across America"
1 George Burns h. Burns' face, "George Burns/Jan 20,
1996/100th Birthday"
1 Haden Powell Memorial v. Haden in uniform, "Feb. 22, 1857/
Jan. 5, 1941/Haden Powell"
1 James Dean v. Dean's face, "James Dean/1931-1955"
1 John Wayne - American v. Wayne's face, "John Wayne -
American/1907-1979"
2 Marilyn-Lucky Scent h. Nude, reclining Marilyn, "My Lucky
Scent/Marilyn Monroe"
1 Marilyn (Nude) v. Nude upper body of woman w/ arm
over head (Monroe?), "Marilyn"
1 Marilyn Monroe v. Marilyn's face, "Marilyn Monroe/
1926/1962"

Elongates (Philatelic)-
1 North Carolina - FDC v. 25c North Carolina Flower Stamp,
"First Day/Of Issue/August 22,/1989"
Elongates (Politics)-
1 Clinton 1/2 Cent v. Caricature of Clinton, "Clinton 1/2
Cent/In Hillary We Trust"
1 FDR 32nd President v. Bust of FDR, "Franklin D./Roosevelt
/32nd President/3 Terms/1933-1945/
1882-1945"
1 Hillary 1/2 Cent v. Caricature of Hillary Clinton,
"Hillary 1/2 Cent/In Government We
Trust"
6 P&PC-19a Kennedy Assassin h. "John F. Kennedy/Assassinated/Nov.
22nd 1963/Dallas-Texas/35th-President/
JR" {JR are mirrored initials of Ralph
Jones, the roller/designer}
1 Replublic - Helps Poor h. Elephant, "Support The Party That
Helps The Poor/Vote Republican"
1 Texas 1/2 Cent v. Caricature of Ann Richards, "Texas
1/2 Cent/In Ann We Trust"
1 Vote Dem h. Dinkey w/ blanket, "Vote
Democratic/DEM"
1 Vote Pendergrass Sherriff h. Star badge, "Vote For/Lindy
Pendergrass/Sheriff/Orange County"
Elongates (Religious)-
1 23rd Psalm v. <full text of Psalm 23>
1 Cross of Jerusalem Jerusalem Cross, "The Cross of
Jerusalem/Emblem of the Crusader
Kings"
1 Jesus Saves v. Scrollwork, "Jesus/Saves"
1 John Paul II - Korea v. Pope in profile, "Seoul/Korea/Pope/
John Paul II"
{Canadian Cent}
1 Justice For All v. Grim Reaper over an old fashioned
scale with a Harley on it, Christ's
face, "He/Is/Justice/For/All"
1 Praise The Lord v. "Praise The Lord"
1 Psalm 33:12 h. "Berea Acts 17:10-11/Blessed Is The
Nation/Whose God Is The Lord/And The
People Whom/He Hath Chosen For His/Own
Inheritance/Psalm 33:12"
1 RR Ten Commandments v. Text of 10 Commandments, last line
seperated: Exodus 20
1 Serenity Prayer 1 h. <text of Serenity Prayer>
1 Serenity Prayer 2 v. Text of Serenity prayer
1 Serenity Prayer - Sun v. Sun, <full text of Serenity Prayer>
1 SIMUL-13 -10 Commandments h. Ten Commandments on two tablets,
waffle reverse {Simulated Elongate}
1 Ten Commandments v. Text of Ten Commandments, "Exodus
20"
1 The Cross In My Pocket h. Shining Cross, "The Cross In My
Pocket/A Constant Reminder of My
Commitment To Christ/No Matter Where I
May Be"
Elongates (Ships)-
4 SHIPS-6 Old Ironsides h. Sailing Ship, "Old Ironsides/
Launched 1797"
1 S.S. Brazil h. Cruise ship, "805th T.D.-BN./S.S.
Brazil/19/92/Aug. 6, 1942/Convoy to
England"
Elongates (Society)-
1 Eagles (FOE) v. logo, "Eagles"
1 Eastern Star v. 5-pointed star w/ symbols in each
point and center, "Eastern/Star"
1 Elmina Braz Clowns v. Clown's face, "Elmina Temple/Braz/
Clowns/Galveston/Texas"
1 High Twelve International v. Logo, "High Twelve/International"
1 Knights of Columbus v. KoC logo, "Knights of Columbus"
1 Knights Templar-York Rite v. Cross thru Crown, Emblem of the
Blue Lodge, "York Rite/Knights
Templar"
1 Lions (World Wide) v. Lions logo, "World/Wide"
1 Masonite v. KoC/Mason's logo, "Masonite/For
Those Who Don't Know Which Road To
Take"
1 Masons-Blue Lodge v. Masonic emblems, "Blue Lodge"
1 Masons-Brotherly Love v. Masonic symbols, "Friendship/
Morality/Brotherly Love"
1 Masons-Flint Lodge #23 h. Masonic emblem, "Henry Jones, W.M.
/George/Bowden/S.W./Clyde/Lapish/J.W./
1994/Flint Lodge #23 Flint, Mich."
1 Masons-Garden Lodge v. Flowered wreath, Masons emblem,
"Garden Lodge/No. G41/A.F.&A.M-G.R.C.
/1987/Windsor, Canada"
1 Masons-hand v. Hand holding emblem of the Blue
Lodge, "F.&A.M."
1 Masons-Hillbilly Degree v. Man and woman each holding a crutch
over their head, Masonic symbols,
"Hillbilly Degree/Helps Crippled
Children/Honor/Respect"
1 Masons-Royal Arch Chapter v. Chapter logo, Emblem of the Blue
Lodge, "Royal Arch/Mason/Chapter"
1 Masons-Shrine h. Large Sword, Star, Emblem of the
Blue Lodge, "Shrine"
1 Masons-Symbols h. Various Masonic symbols and tools
1 Masons-Was Penniless h. Emblem of the Blue Lodge, "Once I
Was Also Penniless"
1 Order of the Amaranth v. Crown/Sword/Wreath logo, "Order of/
The/Amaranth"
2 Phylaxis Society h. Masonic symbols, "The Phylaxis
Society/10th Anniversary/A Prince Hall
Society for the Propagation of Light"
{Nickel}
1 Promise Keepers h. PK logo, "A Real Man/Is A Godly
Man/Promise Keeps"
1 Scottish Rite v. Ornate Cross logo, "Scottish/Rite/
K.C.C.H."
1 Scottish Rite-33rd Degree v. Dual Eagle logo, "Scottish Rite/
33rd/Degree"
1 Seaford Post 1132 v. AL logo, "Seaport/Post 1132/
American/Legion/785-9429"
1 Shriner Clown v. Jumping clown, Sword&Crescent logo,
"ISCA"
1 Smiling Shriner v. Happy face w/ fez, Emblem of the
Blue Lodge, "Smiling/Shriner"
1 UMWA Local 340 v. Crossed shovel & pick, "U.M.W.A.
Local 340 Ward/W.VA./Standing Proud
for 65 Years"
2 Veterans of Foriegn Wars v. VFW Logo, "Veterans/Of/Foreign/
Wars"

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) New Trade List (4 of 5)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 00:02:54 -0700 (PDT)

Elongates (Souvenir)-
1 Alaska - Cricket v. Cricket, "Alaska"
1 Alaska - Deer v. Deer, "Alaska"
1 Alaska - Dolphin v. Dolphin, "Alaska"
1 Alaska - Dove v. Dove, "Alaska"
1 Alaska - Falcon v. Falcon, "Alaska"
1 Alaska - Goose h. Goose, "Alaska"
1 Alaska - Rodent v. Some type of rodent (groundhog?),
"Alaska"
1 Alaska - Salmon v. Salmon, "Alaska"
1 Alaska - Sloth(?) v. Some type of furry critter on large
tree branch, "Alaska"
1 Alaska - Weasel v. Weasel, "Alaska"
1 Arizona - Road Runner h. Road Runner, "Road/Runner/Arizona"
1 Boston Museum of Science h. Planets & Comets, "Boston/Museum
of Science"
1 CA-PGA-1 Vortex h. Concentric circles w/ coaster car
as tail, "Vortex/Great America"
{This machine was installed before
Paramount bought the park}
1 CA-PGA-2 Carousel h. Carousel Horse, "Paramount's/Great
America"
1 CA-PGA-3 Days of Thunder h. Race Car logo, "Days of/Thunder/
Paramount's/Great America"
1 CA-PGA-4 Fred Flintstone v. Fred Flintstone, "Paramount's/
Great/America"
{This machine was removed at the end
of the 1996 season. I have only a
couple left}
1 CA-PGA-5 Top Gun h. F-16 flying thru Top Gun 'wings'
logo, "Paramount's/Great America"
1 CA-PGA-6 Drop Zone logo h. "Drop/Zone/Stunt Tower/Paramount's/
Great America"
1 CA-PGA-7 Drop Zone tower v. Ride tower w/passengers, "The/Drop/
Zone/Stunt/Tower/Paramount's/Great
America"
1 CA-PGA-8 Dino v. Dino (from Flintstones),
"Paramount's/Great/America"
1 CA-SAC Delta King h. River Boat, "Old Sacramento
(Formerly: Old Sacramento California"
River Boat)
1 CA-SAC Old Town h. Train, Old Town buildings, Capitol,
(Formerly: Old Town "Old Town/Sacramento"
Sacramento)
1 CA-SAU-1 Suasalito h. Sea Lion, Bridge, Skyline,
(Formerly: Sausalito) "Sausalito/California"
1 CA-SCBB-2 Logo h. obv. Roller Coaster logo, "Santa
(Formerly: Santa Cruz Beach Cruz Beach/Boardwalk", rev. "Souvenir
Boardwalk) of the/Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk/
Santa Cruz/California"
1 CA-SF Fisherman's Wharf h. Fishing vessel tied up at wharf,
"Fisherman's Wharf/San Francisco"
1 CA-SF Musee Mechanique h. Large woman w/ small hat, "Musee
Mechanique/Laughing Sal/S.F./386-1170"
1 CA-SF Skyline h. Skyline and bridge, "San Francisco"
(Formerly: San Francisco
Skyline)
1 CA-SF Triple 1 h. GG Bridge, Cable Car, Pier w/ boat,
"Golden Gate Bridge/Cable Car/
Fisherman's Wharf"
1 CA-SF Triple 4 h. Captioned images of Golden Gate
(Formerly: San Francisco Bridge, Cable Car, Fisherman's Wharf
(Triple))
1 CA-SFA-2 Alcatraz h. Alcatraz Island, "Alcatraz/San
(Formerly: Alcatraz) Francisco"
1 CA-SFC Arch h. Chinese archway, "Chinatown"
(Formerly: SF Chinatown-Arch)
1 CA-SFC Dragon h. Chinese Dragon, "Chinatown/San
(Formerly: SF Chinatown- Francisco"
Dragon)
1 CA-SFC Temple v. Chinese Temple & Streetlight,
(Formerly: SF Chinatown) "Chinatown/San Francisco"
3 CA-SOLV-1 Mermaid v. Mermaid on rock, "Solvang/
California"
3 CA-SOLV-2 Windmill v. Windmill, "Solvang/California"
1 CA-WMH-1 Logo h. Logo, "Winchester/Mystery House/
(Formerly: Winchester San Jose, California"
Mystery House)
1 CA-WMH-2 Products Museum h. Flashlight, Bicycle, Hammer,
(Formerly: Winchester "Winchester Products Museum/San Jose,
Products Museum) California"
1 Cable Car h. Cable car next to lamppost, "San
Francisco"
1 Cable Car Museum h. Cable Car, "San Francisco/Cable Car
Museum"
2 Cable Car - Quarter h. Cable Car w/ conductor getting on,
"Cable Car" {Quarter}
1 Cannery Row Otter h. Otter on back, "Cannery/Row/
Monterey California"

3 Colorado Belle h. obv. River Boat, rev. "Colorado
Belle/Laughlin, NV"
1 Excalibur/Riding Knight h. Logo w/ sword thru "Excalibur",
Knight riding horse, "Hotel/Casino/Las
Vegas"
1 Excalibur/Knight's Helmet h. Logo w/ sword thru "Excalibur",
Knight's plumed helmet, "Hotel/Casino/
Las Vegas"
1 Golden Gate Bridge v. Bridge, "Golden Gate Bridge/San
Francisco"
{This machine was removed in either
April or May 1997}
3 Grand Slam Canyon-Vegas h. obv. Logo of mountain, "Grand/Slam/
Canyon/Adventuredome/Circus/Circus/
Hotel/Casino/Las Vegas", rev. Circus
tent, "Be A Kid Again!/Circus
Circus/Hotel Casino/Las Vegas"
1 Hayden Planetarium h. Satelite, "Hayden Planetarium/
Boston/Zeiss Projector/Museum of
Science"
1 Holy Nativity Church h. Church, "Memorial/Church/Of The/
Holy Trinity/1893/1993/100th
Anniversary/Rockledge, PA."
1 Mackerel Jack's h. Captain at wheel in rain gear,
"Cannery Row/Monterey, California"
1 MN-VF!-5 Excalibur h. Long sword, "Excalibur/ValleyFair!"
1 San Francisco (GG Bridge) h. Bridge, "San Francisco/Golden Gate
Bridge"
1 SF Golden Gate Bridge-h h. View of Bridge/Skyline from Marin,
"San Francisco"
{This machine was installed in either
April or May 1997}
1 SF Golden Gate Bridge-v v. View of Bridge from viewing area,
"San Francisco/Golden Gate Bridge"
{This machine was installed in either
April or May 1997}
1 SF - Japanese Tea Garden Japanese Arch, bridge & priest,
"Japanese Tea Garden/San Francisco"
1 Space Shuttle-6th Launch h. Shuttle w/ open bay doors, "The
Space Shuttle/1st/Flight/New/
Challenger/Space/Craft/6th Launch/
April 4th 1983"
1 The Cliff House h. Restaraunt w/ rocky beach, "The
Cliff House/San Francisco"

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) New Trade List (5 of 5)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 00:03:49 -0700 (PDT)

Elongates (Sports)-
1 49ers Football h. Large football, NFL logo, "San
Francisco 49ers"
3 '75 Indy 500 h. Formula 1 Car, "Indy 500 Mile/19/75
/Classic"
1 Babe Ruth-Birth Centenial Babe Ruth w/ bat, "Babe Ruth/Sultan of
(Formerly: Babe Ruth) Swat/Centennial of Birth/1895-1995"
1 Capitols 20th Anniversary h. Capitols logo, "Washington Capitols
/20th Anniversary"
1 Dan Marino - 343 TDs h. Quarterback, "Dan Marino/Nov. 26
1995/343 Touch Downs/All-Time Record"
1 Dave Winfield-3000 Hits h. Batter, "Dave Winfield/Sept. 16
1993/3000 Hits"
1 Detroit Grand Prix h. Line drawings of car, buildings,
course, "19/83/Detroit Grand Prix"
1 Dwight Gooden-Cy Young h. Pitcher, "Dwight Gooden/METS/Cy
Young Pitcher of the Year"
1 Eddie Murray-3000 Hits h. Batter, "Eddie Murray/June 30 1995/
3000 Hits"
1 Fla. Panthers Inaugural v. Panther breaking hockey stick,
"1993-1994/Florida Panthers/Inagural
Year" {Inaugural is misspelled on
coin}
1 Great American Race h. Antique car, "Great American Race/
19/90/1915 Winton/Frank & David
Kleptz/Terre Haute, IN"
1 Hideo Nomo - RoY h. Pitcher, "Hideo Nomo/Nov. 9th 1995/
Rookie of the Year"
1 Ken Griffey, Jr.-#1 Draft h. Batter, "Ken Griffey Jr./June 1987/
#1 Draft Pick"
1 Michael Chang-French Open h. Tennis player, "Michael Chang/June
11 1989/Youngest Male Winner/Wins
French Open"
1 Mickey Mantle-536 HRs HOF h. Batter, "Mickey Mantle/Hall of Fame
1974/536 Home Runs"
1 Nolan Ryan - 6th No Hit h. Pitcher, "Nolan Ryan/6th No Hitter/
June 11 1990"
1 Nolan Ryan - 7th No Hit h. Pitcher, "Nolan Ryan/7th No Hitter/
May 1st 1991"
1 Nolan Ryan - 5000 Strikes h. Pitcher, "Nolan Ryan/5000 Strike
Outs/ Aug. 22 1989"
1 Oakland Raiders v. Logo, "NFL/Oakland Raiders/NFL"
1 Pete Rose - 4192 Hits h. Batter, "Pete Rose/4192 Hits/Sept.
11 1985"
1 Phil. Flyers-25th Anniv v. Flyers 'star' logo, "1967-68/
1991-92"
1 Pitt Panthers h. Panther, "Pitt Panthers/Pittsburgh,
PA"
1 Sprint Car h. car, "Sprint Car"
1 Stock Car h. car, "Stock Car"
1 Wayne Gretzky-1852 Pts. h. Batter, "Wayne Gretzky/Oct. 15,
1989/1852 Points/Hockey's Scoring
Leader" {Canadian Cent}
1 World Cup Italia 1990 h. Soccer Ball, "World Cup/Italia
1990" {Canadian Cent}
1 Yankees '78 Series h. Crossed Bats, Baseballs, "New York
Yankees Win/Diamond Jubilee Series/
1903/1978"

Elongates (Store Card)-
1 Brazzell-Met You-Davis h. "Good Luck Coin/From/Frank
Brazzell/1501 E. Davis Dr./Terre
Haute, IN 47802/812-235-6826/Nice
To Have Met You"
1 Fashion Cafe - Logo h. "Fashion/Cafe/Merry Go Round"
1 Harley Davidson - Logo h. HD logo
1 Luck 'E' Penny h. "Say It On A Luck 'E' Penny/William
C. Massey/(301)937-7732"
1 The Salado Peddler h. Horse-drawn peddler cart, "The
Salado Peddler/Salado, Texas"
2 Wagaman - Horseshoe h. Horseshoe lying horizontally w/
"Lucky Cent" on handle, "Elongated
Coins/Lloyd Wagaman/Route 1, Box
201-F/Camby, Ind 46113"
Elongates (TEC)-
1 Centennial of Elongateds h. Horse and Buggy, TEC Owl, Space
Shuttle, "Centennial of the Elongated/
1893/1993/A Century of 'Change'/From
Horse and Buggy to Space Shuttle"

Elongates (Train)-
1 Brookville Tunnel h. Engine coming out of tunnel, "Heavy/
Freight/Haulers/Brookeville Tunnel 28/
40 T-1s/Virginia/1938/Russell, KY to
Toledo, Ohio"
1 C.B. & Quincy R.R. h. Engine w/ coal car, "C.B. & Quincy
R.R./Class H-4 Mogul"
1 Canadian Pacific R.R. h. Engine w/ coal car, "Canadian
Pacific R.R./Class N-1 Columbia"
1 Grasshopper Engine h. Engine, "Grasshopper Engine/
Carillon Park"
1 Great Northern R.R. h. Engine, "Great Northern R.R./Class
T-1 Mallet"
1 Milford Tunnel v. Engine coming out of tunnel,
"Milford/Tunnel/Lima/Locomotive/Works/
A-1 Engine/1940s"
1 Santa Fe - Engine h. Engine, "Santa Fe R.R./Class A-1
American"
1 The Mogul Engine, "True American/The Mogul"

Elongates (World's Fair)-
10 ILL-CPIE-93 (1933) h. Angle view of skyride, "World's
Fair/Skyride/Chicago 1933"
6 N.Y-WF(1)-1 (1939) v. Trylon, Perisphere, "New York
World's Fair/The World of Tomorrow"
6 N.Y-WF(2)-3 '64 Monorail h. Monorail entering tunnel, "New York
World's Fair 1964-1965/Monorail Ride/
RJ" {RJ are initials of Ralph Jones,
the roller/designer}
10 N.Y-WF(2)-8 (1964) v. NY State Pavilion, "New York/19/
64/Worlds Fair"
2 WAS-SWF-3 I Was There 62 v. Space Needle, "I Was There/Space/
Needle/Seattle/1962"

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Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine companies (Long but important!)
Date: 20 Jul 1997 23:07:49 -0700

Hi Gang,
As far as TEC membership goes: TEC has issued over 2112 membership
numbers--I'm not sure how many of those are still active (probably about
600). Howard Sharkey should know exact numbers.

Concerning info from the machine makers: Give it up! They are not
about to devulge anything... I think it's because of tax reasons--the
don't want Uncle Sam to know how much they're REALLY making.

--Willy

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> > I hope we can get more locations, and information from these companies.
> > It will greatly aid us in collecting/trading AND it will help them in
> > their revenue streams!
>
> This seems like a prefect (and very necessary) project for this
> list to take on. Perhaps one (or more) of you that attend the ANA
> convention can talk this up with TEC people there. We've got the power
> of The Elongated Coin Mailing List (about 30 members), TEC (hundreds of
> members), and an institution (The Squished Penny Museum) behind us.
> Let's put some (friendly) pressure on these companies. The way I see it
> these are the things we need to do to have the greatest chance of success:
>
> 1) Compile a list of company addresses.
>
> The San Francisco Penny Machine Company can be reached at:
>
> Tom BuBois
> San Francisco Penny Machine Company
> 115 Fair Ave.
> Petaluma, CA 94952
>
> Phone: (707) 763-8583
>
> Eurolink can be reached at:
>
> Eurolink
> 930 Huber Street, Suite H
> Grover Beach, CA 93433
>
> Phone: (805) 481-4507
> FAX: (805) 481-4512
> E-Mail: EurolinkCA@aol.com
> (A contact name is always helpful if anyone has one)
>
> I had never heard of the Aloha Penny Company unti Bert just
> mentioned them. If you have ANY contact information on other machine
> companies please post it to the list. Another company is called Uncommon
> Sense.
> Where do you get this info? Well, sometimes it's on the machines
> themselves. You can ask a clerk at the store for the information. They
> usually have a business card or at least a number to call if the machine
> breaks. Or you can write to the attraction that hosts the machines. I
> have found that tourist spots, amusement parks and zoos all respond
> quickly and thoroughly to any queries they receive.
>
> 2) Decide what it is we need to know.
>
> Most key is a list of machine locations. I would also like to know
> things like what "signatures" are on their coins (and when they started
> using them), what happens to machine signage when a machine is removed.
> Do they have records of where machines USED to be.
>
> 3) Start contacting them and asking for either answers to these
> questions or to have a representative that can communicate with our
> representative (or the list directly).
> My activist days taught me that if a matter is not of extreme
> urgency, snail mail is the best way to get a message across. Large
> numbers of phone calls quickly cause an annoyance and e-mail can be
> deleted too easily. This isn't to say that these methods should not be
> used, simply that they should always be followed up by a traditional letter.
> Also, numbers count. Does anyone know how many members TEC has?
> If we can inform them that we represent an organization of x number of
> members it will probably pull more weight. If no one posts membership
> numbers before ANA could someone please inquire at the TEC meeting?
>
> 4) Create a form letter.
>
> While personal letters hold SLIGHTLY more weight than
> form letters, both work well. These letters should be no more than one
> page and cover salient points: who we are and what we want. It is
> important for people to include their TEC numbers and mention the list
> in their communication.
> Anyone care to write a form letter and post it to the list? If we can run off some
> copies of such a letter (one for each company whose address we get) and
> have them available at the TEC table at ANA this would be great!
>
> 5) Get more people involved.
>
> This is mainly up to the convention goers. When you talk to
> people at cons about elongates, bring the topic up.
>
> Okay, this is getting really long, so I'm going to cut it here.
> This should get those thoughts flowing. Your input is both welcome and
> important.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine companies (Long but important!)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 08:37:13 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Concerning info from the machine makers: Give it up! They are not

I don't give up anything easily 8-)

> about to devulge anything... I think it's because of tax reasons--the
> don't want Uncle Sam to know how much they're REALLY making.

If this is their reason, then they have no clue how the IRS
works! First off, we're not asking anything about revenue. Second, I'm
sure they keep track of where their machines are, otherwise they have NO
revenue! If the IRS audits 'em then they'll check ALL the records. So,
This excuse is not nearly good enough for me.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Alan KITA <alkita@earthlink.net>
Subject: (elongates) Location keepers
Date: 21 Jul 1997 13:46:32 -0800

OK, this is my first posting after lurking for about two weeks. For
years it never occured to me to keep track of these "smashed" pennies.
I'd give them to kids, especially my little daughter, who has placed her
collection of elongated pennies "God knows where." But after noticing
the high number of such machines at Disneyland, I've been taking note of
the pennies and I'm busy searching through all thr drawers in the house
looking for all these pennies.

One of the things we do on vacation is visiting zoos, and most zoos have
these pennies, so we got pennies from such places as Cheyenne Mountain
Park Zoo in Colorado Springs and the Honolulu Zoo. The Empire State
Building is the most costliest and is pressed by hand.

I read somewhere that storing these pennies in slide holders is the
best, since some of these pages have places where you can write.

Can somebody tell me if any of the "location keepers" have sites or a
list they can email me? I have the URL for David Tomita's Disneyland
Pennies. (We do have quite an assortment of elongated coins from that
place.) That is a good list, although they keep changing locations.

Now, I will keep track of each location.

Alan Kita
Torrance, California

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From: owner-elongates@xmission.com
Date: 21 Jul 1997 15:32:51 -0600

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine companies (Long but important!)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 20:15:07 -0700

>
> On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:
>
> > Concerning info from the machine makers: Give it up!
Chris Aahz wrote:
> I don't give up anything easily 8-)

> If this is their reason, then they have no clue how the IRS
> works! First off, we're not asking anything about revenue. Second, I'm
> sure they keep track of where their machines are, otherwise they have NO
> revenue! If the IRS audits 'em then they'll check ALL the records. So,
> This excuse is not nearly good enough for me.

Believe me, I totally agree! That would be a lame excuse, but it was
all that I could think of. It is beyond my comprehension why these
folks wouldn't want the world to know where to find their products!!!!
This is exactly why I took it upon myself to start the Hitchhiker's
Guide to Elongated Coins, and DO NOT make mention of any particular
manufacturer's name!

This topic ties into another important issue that has been on my mind:

There are now a few different Elongated Coin Machine Locators on the
Web.
As well as new machine findings being posted on this Mailing List.
As many of you know, I am presently a candidate for TEC President
(election to be held at the TEC meeting in conjunction with the ANA
convention, on August first).
If I am fortunate to be elected, I will have the power to create the
master EC locator on TEC's own official web site (to be hosted by the
ANA). This locator will have a form to fill out for all new finds,
which will help make updating a snap :) I sincerely hope that we can
ALL pool together, setting egos aside (myself included), and create THE
ULTIMATE ELONGATED COIN WEBSITE. This would free up our individual
website's precious space by eliminating what we consider "common
knowledge" information (aren't links the greatest).

This may all seem a bit premature, but if the ball does land in my
hands... I want to be ready to run with it! All those (Internet active
TEC members)interested in being part of a subcommittee for this project,
please email me DIRECTLY.

Even if I do not win the election, This is a MUST DO project for TEC.
So please consider this "Food for Thought".

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

******** ****************** ******************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Location keepers
Date: 21 Jul 1997 20:31:12 -0700 (PDT)

On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Alan KITA wrote:

> OK, this is my first posting after lurking for about two weeks. For

Welcome aboard Alan. You've taken the first step towards
obsession 8-)

> Park Zoo in Colorado Springs and the Honolulu Zoo. The Empire State
> Building is the most costliest and is pressed by hand.

What are they charging at the Empire State Building?

> I read somewhere that storing these pennies in slide holders is the
> best, since some of these pages have places where you can write.

I'm not really sure what you mean by "slide holders". I use
cardboard 2x2s that I order through TEC. I keep my trade stock in boxes
and put my collection in plastic binder sheets that have 20 slots per
page. The 2x2s give you plenty of surface area to write on.

> Can somebody tell me if any of the "location keepers" have sites or a
> list they can email me? I have the URL for David Tomita's Disneyland

Well, let's see what I can do here:

Hitchhiker's Guide to Elongated Coins (a TEC project sponsored by
Willy Massey and Luck 'E' Penny):

http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

The Smashed Coin Locator (hosted by Bert Creighton):

http://atlantis.austin.apple.com
/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html

The WDW Penny Locator (maintained by Kenny Cottrell):

http://www.wdn.com/dwills/penny.htm

And, of course, David Tomita's NEW home page:

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/3599

> Now, I will keep track of each location.

Wonderful! When you see a 'new' machine you can either post it
directly to the list or send it off to these Location Keepers. I usually
post it directly to the list as both Bert and Willy are subscribers, and
it's simply easier. Besides, the list gets it into peoples hands right
away, whereas the pages need to be updated. Don't get me wrong, I think the
pages are fantastic! They keep me from having to keep track of this stuff
myself 8-)

Also, while you're surfing, check out ...'s The Penny
Page at:

http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/

I think that's everyone with a page. If I missed any, I'm sure
someone will post it (PLEASE)

Peace,

Aahz

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From: ... <...>
Subject: (elongates) Hey everyone! I'm back!
Date: 21 Jul 1997 22:41:18 -0500

It's been a long couple of weeks! My e-mail was down and just when I =
thought it was fixed, I went on vacation. I thought everything was =
working fine, but when I got home there was not even ONE message for me. =
That's when I knew there was a BIG problem. But...now I'm all set to go!
Anyone trying to get a hold of me to trade can e-mail me now.
Please let me know if I missed anything in the club.
Anyone new to the club can e-mail me for my list of trades, and don't =
forget to check out my home page: =
http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage
I'm so glad to be home. The only coin I got on my vacation was from =
Niagara Falls and I have a few to trade.
Thanks!

...
trueWeb Design
...
http://www.truewebdesign.com

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine companies (Long but important!)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 20:50:53 -0700 (PDT)

On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> > On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:
> >
> > > Concerning info from the machine makers: Give it up!

> Chris Aahz wrote:
> > I don't give up anything easily 8-)
>
> > If this is their reason, then they have no clue how the IRS

> Believe me, I totally agree! That would be a lame excuse, but it was
> all that I could think of. It is beyond my comprehension why these
> folks wouldn't want the world to know where to find their products!!!!
> This is exactly why I took it upon myself to start the Hitchhiker's
> Guide to Elongated Coins, and DO NOT make mention of any particular
> manufacturer's name!

It's also why so many of us believe it to be an idea whose time
has come. Getting the info direct from the companies will only make the
Guide that much more useful to people. Obviously, not everyone's going
to be able to write off for a copy of the companies lists even if they
WERE readily available. However, if there's ONE place, or ONE book, or
whatever that contains all the info, they'll go for that. I support the
Guide 150%!

> As many of you know, I am presently a candidate for TEC President
> (election to be held at the TEC meeting in conjunction with the ANA
> convention, on August first).

Ya know, I THOUGHT this was the case, but there has not been a
single mention of the election in TEC News. Why is this? Aren't ALL
members supposed to have the opportunity to vote, wether they're at the
meeting or not? Well, you would've had my vote, but since I never got a
ballot I'm just going to cast my vote here:

_____
I I
I X I William C. Massey - TEC president.
I-- -I

> If I am fortunate to be elected, I will have the power to create the
> master EC locator on TEC's own official web site (to be hosted by the
> ANA). This locator will have a form to fill out for all new finds,
> which will help make updating a snap :)

This web site idea is a MUST have! I strongly encourage anyone
attending the TEC meeting to talk this up, vote for it, whatever.
The form idea is a great one. Would this automatically (and immediately)
update the Locator?

> I sincerely hope that we can
> ALL pool together, setting egos aside (myself included), and create THE
> ULTIMATE ELONGATED COIN WEBSITE. This would free up our individual
> website's precious space by eliminating what we consider "common
> knowledge" information (aren't links the greatest).
>
I wasn't aware of any ego trips going on here 8-( I post my
machine "finds" to the list for two simple reasons: 1) Instant transfer
of information to all interested parties, and 2) It's a lot simpler to
post to the list then to each individual who is keeping a Locator page.

The more Elongated pages the merrier in my opinion. And that
goes for locators as well. Different people will "stumble across" different
pages. The more that exist, the easier it is for people to find them.
Each person maintaining such a page would certainly benefit by sharing
info with the others. I created this mailing list to be just such a
forum. I hope it continues to be of use.


Peace,

Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hey everyone! I'm back!
Date: 21 Jul 1997 21:10:28 -0700

Kathy,

Welcome Back! When you get a free cycle, could you send us the location
of the Niagara Falls machine... Hmm, I seem to remember an old 3 Stooges
routine that had to do with Niagara Falls (sloooooowly I turned, step by
step...8-)

Things you'll want to catch up on are" 1) Steelies (they're OK in
Eurolink machines, watch out for machines with magnetic catchers that
will remove ferrous coins), 2) Big Al in Florida getting complete
DisneyWorld sets for (is it?) 5 of us... 3) a 1st meeting of this list at
Disneyland to trade coins/stories and smash some new coins, 4) working on
the San Francisco and Aloha Penny Machine companies to answer our
requests for locations/information and 5) counterstamping coins (and then
smashing them). I may have left out a few topics, but those are the main
ones...

Glad you're back. For all those new to the list, I encourage you to check
out Kathy's web site.

Bert

On 7/21/97 8:41 PM ... (... ) wrote

>The only coin I got on my vacation was from Niagara Falls and I have a few
>to trade

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: (elongates) Location Keeper Update
Date: 21 Jul 1997 21:30:56 -0700

Greetings All,

Welcome to Alan Kita, glad you joined the list! If we can help in any way
just ask. I want to thank Alan for the machine locations. I will get them
up on my pages soon.

A brief update... I have added/updated the following new pages:

1) New Las Vegas Page:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/Las_Vegas.html

2) New Laughlin (Nevada) Page:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/Laughlin.html

3) New Barstow Page:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/Barstow.html
(need some details on this one...)

4) New Pizmo Beach Page:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/ people.pages/bcreighton/Pizmo_Beach.html

5) New Connecticut Page:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/Connecticut.html

6) Updated Fort Worth Page:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/Texas.html

In the last 60 days, I have added major updates to the California and
Hawaii pages. Still to come: Colorado, New York and several other states.
The easiest way to navigate around is to start at the Smashed Coin
Locator page:

<http://atlantis.austin.apple.com
/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html
>

Thanks to everyone for posting locations to me and to the list!

bc

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: (elongates) Machine companies (Now even Longer, but important!)
Date: 22 Jul 1997 01:30:56 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:
>
> > > On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:
> > >
> > > > Concerning info from the machine makers: Give it up!
>
> > Chris Aahz wrote:
> > > I don't give up anything easily 8-)
> >
> > > If this is their reason, then they have no clue how the IRS
>
> > Believe me, I totally agree! That would be a lame excuse, but it was
> > all that I could think of. It is beyond my comprehension why these
> > folks wouldn't want the world to know where to find their products!!!!
> > This is exactly why I took it upon myself to start the Hitchhiker's
> > Guide to Elongated Coins, and DO NOT make mention of any particular
> > manufacturer's name!
>
> It's also why so many of us believe it to be an idea whose time
> has come. Getting the info direct from the companies will only make the
> Guide that much more useful to people. Obviously, not everyone's going
> to be able to write off for a copy of the companies lists even if they
> WERE readily available. However, if there's ONE place, or ONE book, or
> whatever that contains all the info, they'll go for that. I support the
> Guide 150%!

When I firt announced that I would take on the task of compiling the
guide, in a TEC newsletter article, Both Coin World and the Numismatic
News published my article without solicitation. I then sent copies of
the articles along with requests for machine locations to all of the
major rolling machine producers.... none of which responded. I followed
up with phone calls which were met with unpleasant resistance... I have
tried! So, More power to you... I wish you better luck.

>
> > As many of you know, I am presently a candidate for TEC President
> > (election to be held at the TEC meeting in conjunction with the ANA
> > convention, on August first).
>
> Ya know, I THOUGHT this was the case, but there has not been a
> single mention of the election in TEC News. Why is this?

It seems like the last couple of issues have been a bit slow getting to
press. Corey Wylde is doing it ALL by himself! I'm sure he's doing the
best that he can.

> Aren't ALL
> members supposed to have the opportunity to vote, wether they're at the
> meeting or not?

Unfortunatly, not at this time... Only members present at the meeting
may vote. Perhaps this is something which should be ammended?

> > If I am fortunate to be elected, I will have the power to create the
> > master EC locator on TEC's own official web site (to be hosted by the
> > ANA). This locator will have a form to fill out for all new finds,
> > which will help make updating a snap :)
>
> Would this automatically (and immediately)
> update the Locator?

That's the plan! I have my Webmaster Guru looking into it right now!
We are going to try it out on my HHG... With my bad back, I've had a
rough time updating lately (this, combined with the scattered bits of
information that some folks send, slows the process even further).

>
> > I sincerely hope that we can
> > ALL pool together, setting egos aside (myself included), and create THE
> > ULTIMATE ELONGATED COIN LOCATOR. This would free up our individual
> > website's precious space by eliminating what we consider "common
> > knowledge" information (aren't links the greatest).
> >
> I wasn't aware of any ego trips going on here 8-(

Nor am I... I was refering to the fact that all of the people
responsable for thier Internet EC Locators should certainly be proud of
their efforts and the joy that they have brought to so many of us
collectors. And I'm just hoping that we can pool together for the
greater good, by sharing all the information.

I post my
> machine "finds" to the list for two simple reasons: 1) Instant transfer
> of information to all interested parties, and 2) It's a lot simpler to
> post to the list then to each individual who is keeping a Locator page.

Yes! This is what I'm talking about.... Share the knowledge!


> The more Elongated pages the merrier in my opinion.

I couldn't agree more!

> And that
> goes for locators as well.

That may well be for now... But in my opinion, it WOULD be a lot of
wasted effort if there WAS one ultimate directory that ALL EC related
web pages pointed to that listed EC machine locations. I, for one,
would like to use my time and webspace for information that can't be
found elsewhere, and not for posting machine locations that should be
posted by the manufacturers themselves.

Different people will "stumble across" different
> pages. The more that exist, the easier it is for people to find them.
> Each person maintaining such a page would certainly benefit by sharing
> info with the others. I created this mailing list to be just such a
> forum. I hope it continues to be of use.

I see your mailing list as PRICELESS! Along with Kathy's message board,
this forum has proven an absolute joy for me personally.

--Willy

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine companies (Now much shorter!)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 22:31:38 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> When I firt announced that I would take on the task of compiling the
> guide, in a TEC newsletter article, Both Coin World and the Numismatic
> News published my article without solicitation. I then sent copies of
> the articles along with requests for machine locations to all of the
> major rolling machine producers.... none of which responded. I followed
> up with phone calls which were met with unpleasant resistance... I have
> tried! So, More power to you... I wish you better luck.
>

Well, we shall try. Do you have any company addresses that I
did not list in my 'mega-message'?

Peace,

Aahz

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Location keepers
Date: 22 Jul 1997 01:41:32 -0700

> On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Alan KITA wrote:
>
> > Can somebody tell me if any of the "location keepers" have sites or a
> > list they can email me? I have the URL for David Tomita's Disneyland

Chris Aahz wrote:
> Well, let's see what I can do here:
>
> Hitchhiker's Guide to Elongated Coins (a TEC project sponsored by
> Willy Massey and Luck 'E' Penny):

Willy writes:
This is not exactly true. My HHG has NO official affiliation with TEC!
Although, I do hope to turn the project over to TEC as soon as their
Official Website is up and running.

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine companies (Now much shorter!)
Date: 22 Jul 1997 01:52:57 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:
>
> > When I firt announced that I would take on the task of compiling the
> > guide, in a TEC newsletter article, Both Coin World and the Numismatic
> > News published my article without solicitation. I then sent copies of
> > the articles along with requests for machine locations to all of the
> > major rolling machine producers.... none of which responded. I followed
> > up with phone calls which were met with unpleasant resistance... I have
> > tried! So, More power to you... I wish you better luck.
> >
>
> Well, we shall try. Do you have any company addresses that I
> did not list in my 'mega-message'?
>
> Peace,
>

Did you mention "Copper Memories" from Virgina Beach, VA... they are a
biggie.
Howard Sharkey has more complete list than I. Unfortunatly, I've been
pumped up on pain pills for the past two weeks (I got rearended by a
trash truck, AGAIN!) and can't really dig around my files at this time.
Seems like most of my couscous hours have been swallowed up replying to
email and trying to get orders out on time.

--Willy

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Upcoming TEC elections
Date: 21 Jul 1997 22:59:42 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> > > As many of you know, I am presently a candidate for TEC President
> > > (election to be held at the TEC meeting in conjunction with the ANA
> > > convention, on August first).
> >
> > Ya know, I THOUGHT this was the case, but there has not been a
> > single mention of the election in TEC News. Why is this?
>
> It seems like the last couple of issues have been a bit slow getting to
> press. Corey Wylde is doing it ALL by himself! I'm sure he's doing the
> best that he can.
>

My comments were not in any way meant to slight Corey. This is
the first election year I have been a member, so did not know when these
things were brought up. I think Corey is doing a great job as Editor!
(And no, I'm not kissing up. He's not a list subscriber so won't even see
this.)

> > Aren't ALL
> > members supposed to have the opportunity to vote, wether they're at the
> > meeting or not?
>
> Unfortunatly, not at this time... Only members present at the meeting
> may vote. Perhaps this is something which should be ammended?
>

Okay, this just didn't jibe with my memory si I pulled out my
copy of the "Constitution and By-Laws". I'm cc-ing this to Rocky as well
in hopes of some clarification from the Board.

From 'The Elongated Collectors Constitution and By-Laws':

ARTICLE III

Officers, Governors, Governing Board

SECTION 2. The President, in 1971 and in each odd numbered year
thereafter, shall issue a call for nominations of officers and governors
in the last issue of the official publication of the society published
prior to March 1. All nominations...

I have each copy of TEC News sinceFall 1996 (Volume 31, No. 4)
and have seen no such call. Apparently nominations occured, I just wish
I knew when (and how) this occured.

Back to the 'C&B-L':

SECTION 4. The Secretary shall cause the names of all such
nominees who have so accepted to be printed on official ballots and shall
cause one of such ballots to be mailed (At least 40 days prior to the
elction year membership meeting) to each member in good standing,
together with an envelope marked "Official Ballot" and addressed to the
Secretary. Each envelope shall bear a different number, but the numbers
selected shall be within the sole discretion of the Secretary. All Life
and Regular Members in good standing shall have the right to vote.
Honorary members do not have voting rights and may not hold an
elective office. Voting shall be by mail only. Each voting member shall
insert his ballot in said numbered envelope, apply postage, seal and mail
the same. Such envelope must be postmarked at least twenty days prior to
the date of the election year membership meeting in orderfor the ballot
therein to be counted. The Secretary shall retain all sealed ballots
unopened and, on the first day of the convention, shall deliver said
ballots and a list of the envelope numbers selected to an election
committee to be appointed by the President.

Okay, there's more, but I believe I got the most relevant parts.
All of this leads me to one question: When did this change?!? I do not
have a dispute with the number of required days, etc. I understand that
we all have lives outside TEC and sometimes things don't get done on
time. But if only people present at the meeting get to vote, then we'vew
basically thrown democracy out the window and may as well scrap the
entire Constitution and By-Laws.
If the Constitution was amended at the last meeting, then this is
all pointless and I apologize. But I doubt that to be the case. I just
want to know what happened. Actually that's not all I want. I also want
o get to cast my vote!

Peace,

Aahz
ps. 'The Elongated Collectors Constitution and By-Laws' is most likely
copyrighted by TEC. The substantial quoting here is not meant as a
challenge to that copyright.

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Location keepers
Date: 21 Jul 1997 23:01:39 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Chris Aahz wrote:
> > Well, let's see what I can do here:
> >
> > Hitchhiker's Guide to Elongated Coins (a TEC project sponsored by
> > Willy Massey and Luck 'E' Penny):

> Willy writes:
> This is not exactly true. My HHG has NO official affiliation with TEC!
> Although, I do hope to turn the project over to TEC as soon as their
> Official Website is up and running.

ACK! Once again I've managed to put my foot in my keyboard.
Sorry Willy. I REALLY need to start checking facts before my fingers
start talking.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Machine companies (Now much shorter!)
Date: 21 Jul 1997 23:06:37 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Chris Aahz wrote:

> > Well, we shall try. Do you have any company addresses that I
> > did not list in my 'mega-message'?
> >
> > Peace,
> >
>
> Did you mention "Copper Memories" from Virgina Beach, VA... they are a
> biggie.

Nope. Never heard of 'em.

> Howard Sharkey has more complete list than I.

Looks like I'll have to send off a letter to Howard, then. Ya
know, I want to win the lottery just so I can buy computers for everyone
I have contact with that ISN'T online!!

> (I got rearended by a trash truck, AGAIN!)

Perhaps your car looks a little too much like a big gren dumpster 8-)

Sorry, had to be said. I hope you feel better soon Willy.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Upcoming TEC elections
Date: 22 Jul 1997 02:20:02 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:

> If the Constitution was amended at the last meeting, then this is
> all pointless and I apologize. But I doubt that to be the case. I just
> want to know what happened. Actually that's not all I want. I also want
> o get to cast my vote!
>

Actually, the reason for this rush election is because the current TEC
president is very ill and recently announced that he could not fullfill
his duties for the last year of his term (which was to start Aug 1). Ray
Dillard (TEC's last Pres, and current V.P.) is not able to step up. For
this reason, the board nominated a couple of us to fill in in a pinch.
Usually we do have mail ballots where all members vote.... please excuse
me for not remembering the details when you first asked... I am in
pretty rough shape at the moment.
--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

******** ****************** ******************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Upcoming TEC elections
Date: 21 Jul 1997 23:17:43 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> > If the Constitution was amended at the last meeting, then this is
> > all pointless and I apologize. But I doubt that to be the case. I just
> > want to know what happened. Actually that's not all I want. I also want
> > o get to cast my vote!
> >
>
> Actually, the reason for this rush election is because the current TEC
> president is very ill and recently announced that he could not fullfill
> his duties for the last year of his term (which was to start Aug 1). Ray
> Dillard (TEC's last Pres, and current V.P.) is not able to step up. For
> this reason, the board nominated a couple of us to fill in in a pinch.
> Usually we do have mail ballots where all members vote.... please excuse
> me for not remembering the details when you first asked... I am in
> pretty rough shape at the moment.
> --

Okay, that's a good reason. I am sorry to hear about Gus. This
is all the more reason, however, to get TEC online. Then this info could
be distributed to ALL the members in a timely fashion. I hope this will
be mentioned in the upcoming TEC News. The reason my .sig shows me as an
'exCoinmaster' is because the officers kept changing the club without
mentioning (much less discussing) thing with the members. So far, TEC
has been wonderful, I just have a fear (bordering paranoia) of "Old Boys'
Clubs".

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) ANA Convention trade requests
Date: 21 Jul 1997 23:35:04 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Yeah, yeah, I know the list has had PLENTY of traffic tonight,
but I intended to send this message before all the hullabaloo broke out.

If memory serves (and it probably doesn't) there are four
subscribers attending the ANA Convention in NY at the end of the month.
This is an open plea to all of you. It has been mentioned that many
booths will be giving away freebie coins (including elongates). These
elongates will generally fall into two of my primary collecting areas:
Store Cards and Coin Clubs/Shows. I will be unable to attend but am VERY
interested in receiveng samples of these coins. Your assistance would be
appreciated. If you're going to the con and see some stuff on my list
that interests you, just let me know and I'll hold it for you until you
get back from ANA.

Also, I previously sent out a request for someone to collect the
world coins and have them rolled with the show design. I have not
received any offers on assistance on this. I will gladly pay the
purchase price of the Passport you must buy, plus give trade value
against my list in return for your time in collecting the coins. Plus,
you can go back and re-collect all of the coins for yourself for free! I
REALLY want this set. It's a VERY cool idea. Also, I'll have Disney
sets available for trade in Sept. as well as any other California
elongates I cna pick up in two days of searching between San Francisco
and LA. So, if you don't see something on my list, there are some more
possibilities.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Pete Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com>
Subject: (elongates) Letter writing campaign idea
Date: 22 Jul 1997 08:28:00 PDT

The SPM is more than willing to support Aahz's venture and will equip any
penny-hunter with free postcards. Just drop me a line with your snail mail
address.

I just had a brilliant idea. If any of you are unaware of it Pete
Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com> is the co-founder/operator of The
Squished Penny Museum in Washington D.C. as well as a list subscriber
(and all around nice guy 8-). Each time I have traded with Pete he has
included some beautiful postcards advertising the SPM.

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From: Bert Creighton <creightoniii@home.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA Convention trade requests
Date: 22 Jul 1997 07:21:19 -0700

Greetings,

On 7/21/97 11:35 PM Chris Aahz (aahz@svpal.org ) wrote

>
> Also, I previously sent out a request for someone to collect the
>world coins and have them rolled with the show desi

Without turning this into to much effort... I too would be happy to pay
the price and offer some trades for the free coins and world coins.

Bert

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: (elongates) The NY convention
Date: 22 Jul 1997 10:21:20 -0400

Hmmm...so I just found out the wedding is the following weekend. My wife
and I are debating on coming to the convention. However, I don't think
I could make it there before Saturday -- have to work on Friday.

Will there still be people & coins there? Or, will I be really missing
stuff by not going on Friday?

- Jeff

P.S. Has anyone talked with Big Al recently? I want to get the price and
people firmed up. That way have him start rolling the WDW coins. :)

P.S.S. If I owe you coins - please send me a reminder e-mail. I haven't
been able to find my trade coin case since the move -- but should have the
remaining boxes unpacked this week.

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From: Alan KITA <alkita@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Location keepers
Date: 22 Jul 1997 09:17:08 -0800

Thanks Chris for the information....

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Alan KITA wrote:
>
> > Park Zoo in Colorado Springs and the Honolulu Zoo. The Empire State
> > Building is the most costliest and is pressed by hand.
>
> What are they charging at the Empire State Building?
>
This was about three years ago and they wanted $2.00 each for someone to
hand crank the machine to produce the penny. Oh, (heh,heh) they provide
you with the penny!

ciao, Alan

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) TEC online
Date: 22 Jul 1997 13:24:00 -0400 (EDT)

Hi;

Just wondering, are the notes we write archived? I know that the
rec.collecitng.coins etc. are. If they were in an archive, it would be a
simple thing to retrieve them by keyword.

-Bob

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: (elongates) ANA Convention
Date: 22 Jul 1997 14:48:39 -0400

Not that I'm totally ignorant but...

When and where is the NY ANA conventions, what are the world coins, what is the
passport. etc. etc. It all sounds like fun but WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Thanks tons.

Ben

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <mcsquare@erols.com>
Subject: (elongates) ANA Convention
Date: 22 Jul 1997 14:46:07 -0400

At the risk of sounding like an ignoramous...

When and where is the NY ANA convention?

Forgive my ignorance.

Thanks.

Ben

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From: Pete Morelewicz <PMORELEW@hanley-wood.com>
Subject: (elongates) The NY convention
Date: 22 Jul 1997 16:24:00 PDT

Jeff-
If it's any help, I'll be at the convention for part of Saturday.

-Pete

Will there still be people & coins there? Or, will I be really missing
stuff by not going on Friday?

Jeff

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hey everyone! I'm back!
Date: 21 Jul 1997 21:19:04 -0700 (PDT)

On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Kathy,
>
> Welcome Back!

Yes, welcome back. Not only was your input missed, but I'm just
glad I no longer have to delete the error message generated by EVERY post
to the list 8-)

> 2) Big Al in Florida getting complete DisneyWorld sets for (is it?) 5 of us...

I thought it was six. And I believe the price is down to around
$154 (for all 201 WDW pennies). This is Jeff's project, and I believe
he's on vacation this week.

> 3) a 1st meeting of this list at Disneyland to trade coins/stories and
smash some new coins,

I don't remember the last date I posted! ARRRGGHH!!! So, I'm
posting the date now:

The first meeting of The Elongated Coin Mailing List will be at
Disneyland on Sunday, Sept. 7th. Specifics supplied as the date
approaches.

> 4) working on the San Francisco and Aloha Penny Machine companies to
> answer our requests for locations/information and

This is a new project that I've only received one comment about
(and that one negative). I feel this is important, do Bert and I stand
alone here?

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) List archives
Date: 22 Jul 1997 16:58:19 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> Just wondering, are the notes we write archived? I know that the
> rec.collecitng.coins etc. are. If they were in an archive, it would be a
> simple thing to retrieve them by keyword.

Well, the simple answer is: yes, the list is archived.

The not-so-simple answer is: I know nothing about how majordomo
(the list software) works. When I completed the form to create the list
I was given the option of having the list archived. I selected this
option as I thought it would be a good idea. However, I have NO idea how
to access this archive. If anyone out there has such knowledge, input
would be appreciated.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANA Convention
Date: 22 Jul 1997 17:09:06 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:

> When and where is the NY ANA conventions, what are the world coins, what is the
> passport. etc. etc. It all sounds like fun but WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

The ANA Convention will be held at the Marriott-Marquis in NYC
from July 30th to Aug. 3rd.

Part of the convention something called 'Mint Mile' or something
similar. This is where all of the mints from around the world have
booths to show off their latest goods. You can buy something called a
'Passport' that has a page for each country represented at Mint Mile with
a space for its coin.

What I was talking about was that previously, here on the list,
someone had mentioned the idea of buying a Passport, collecting all of
the coins from Mint Mile, and then taking them to the TEC booth and
having the show logo rolled on them. This leaves your passport empty and
you can go back to each mint and recollect the free coins.

This sounds like a REALLY cool set to me. I will be unable to
attend the show (I live in CA) and was begging for someone to collect
such a set for me.

Hope this clears things up.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) To: Elongates Mail List <elongates@xmission.com>
Date: 22 Jul 1997 18:36:22 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

I recently realized that the ISP that hosts this list
(xmission.com) also gives me a web page. Unfortunately, I have ZERO
knowledge of html. Also, I use a REALLy old computer (a 286) that can't
handle the necessary software to design pages. What I would like is a
very simple page that would allow people to sobscribe/onsobscribe to the
mailing list, access the list archives, and provide links to other
elongate related pages. Anyone out there care to donate some time and
knowlede to this project?

Peace,

Aahz

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From: "tink!!!" <dvlgrl66hatesspam@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) To: Elongates Mail List <elongates@xmission.com>
Date: 22 Jul 1997 18:47:18 -0700

i can help with design and links and such, but i'm not sure how to go
about setting up the clickable signup deal.

-nikki
--
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16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
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dc.d f-- - s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) To: Elongates Mail List <elongates@xmission.com>
Date: 22 Jul 1997 19:00:02 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, tink!!! wrote:

> i can help with design and links and such, but i'm not sure how to go
> about setting up the clickable signup deal.

Well, I don't know how it's done, but I do know WHERE its been done:

http://www.xmission.com/~doswald/sailing/listsub.html

Perhaps you can figure it out by examining the above page.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) The NY convention
Date: 23 Jul 1997 00:52:46 -0700

Jeff Dixon wrote:

> Will there still be people & coins there [ANA]? Or, will I be really missing
> stuff by not going on Friday?
>
> - Jeff

Ray Dillard will still be there on Saturday running the TEC booth! Ray
has an awsome collection of "oldies" that he brings to the shows... even
if you can't afford to buy them all, they are wonderful to view in
person (they're the largest bunch of "oldies" that I've seen any dealer
have available for sale).

--Willy
TEC 1857

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) SURVEY: Trade Lists
Date: 22 Jul 1997 22:51:27 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Okay, I've posted my trade list here a few times and a couple
other people have posted lists as well. In addition I have received
about a dozen trade lists via e-mail and snail mail in the last six
months or so. The one thing I've noticed that all of these lists have in
common is: nothing. That's right, every person lists essentially
different information in their trade lists (imagine that!). So, I want
to know what YOU want to know. By taking a few seconds to answer the
following questions (or a minute or two to add some additional comments)
all of us can make our trade lists more informative (and possibly shorter
at the same time).

Obviously, each coin needs to have a name/number/designator of
some sort for identification purposes. Beyond that do you want to know:

Description of image/text? If yes, brief or complete?

Orientation of image (vertical or horizontal)?

Condition of coin itself?

Year of coin (or approximation thereof)?

Which side image is on (heads/tails)?

Designer/Roller?

Location of machine (if applicable)?

Manufacturer of machine (if applicable)?

Wether die is open/closed?

Year design first rolled?

Anything else I may have forgotten?

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From: Dresd85854@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 23 Jul 1997 08:51:35 -0400 (EDT)

Would anyone be interested in getting a set of EC's together for someone from
NJ who can't make it.
Take care,
Mark

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) The NY convention
Date: 23 Jul 1997 09:07:52 -0400

But, he'll have some of these at the Mass convention - right?

- Jeff
At 12:52 AM 7/23/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
>> Will there still be people & coins there [ANA]? Or, will I be really
missing
>> stuff by not going on Friday?
>>
>> - Jeff
>
>Ray Dillard will still be there on Saturday running the TEC booth! Ray
>has an awsome collection of "oldies" that he brings to the shows... even
>if you can't afford to buy them all, they are wonderful to view in
>person (they're the largest bunch of "oldies" that I've seen any dealer
>have available for sale).
>
>--Willy
>TEC 1857
>
>
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411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 23 Jul 1997 09:23:19 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 23 Jul 1997 Dresd85854@aol.com wrote:

> Would anyone be interested in getting a set of EC's together for someone from
> NJ who can't make it.
> Take care,
> Mark

Not a problem. I intend to collect several extra sets. They'll
be available at cost+postage or trade.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) The NY convention
Date: 23 Jul 1997 13:38:48 -0700

I'm sure that he will!

--Willy

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> But, he'll have some of these at the Mass convention - right?
>
> - Jeff
> At 12:52 AM 7/23/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >Jeff Dixon wrote:
> >
> >> Will there still be people & coins there [ANA]? Or, will I be really
> missing
> >> stuff by not going on Friday?
> >>
> >> - Jeff
> >
> >Ray Dillard will still be there on Saturday running the TEC booth! Ray
> >has an awsome collection of "oldies" that he brings to the shows... even
> >if you can't afford to buy them all, they are wonderful to view in
> >person (they're the largest bunch of "oldies" that I've seen any dealer
> >have available for sale).
> >
> >--Willy
> >TEC 1857
> >
> >
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> Jeff Dixon jeffd@kurzweil.com
> Software Engineer
> Kurzweil Applied Intelligence http://www.kurzweil.com
> 411 Waverley Oaks Road
> Waltham, MA 02154

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

******** ****************** ******************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Egd9020@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello Everyone!
Date: 23 Jul 1997 13:45:49 -0400 (EDT)

Hi, I just subcribed to this list. My name is Liz, I go to SSU in MD, but
spend the summers at home in south NJ. I have been collection elongated
pennies seriously for about 5 years. I have the typical tourest type
pennies from Boston Museam of Science, Maryland Museam of Science, The
Franklin Institute, Seattle, MT. Hood, NY, and Atlantic City NJ. Most of
these I cranked them out myself... But some were bought at flea markets and I
have no idea where they are from!!! I have an incomplet set of Zodiac
pennies...I need Leo and Taurus. The bad news is that I have no doubles...so
I could buy them. If there is any info on thes Zodiac penies...please let me
know... Here are some other strainge pennies:

805th T. D. BN. SEEK STRIKE DESTROY 1984
This has a picture of a cat biting a tank.

Religious Symbols
This has no words, just many different religious symbols including:
cross, ying-yang, star of david, moon and star, flower, and others that I
don't recognize.

JACK & PEG WILCOX CHRISTMAS WISHES FROM N.J. 1978
This has a picture of father christmas with a tree and bag of presents.

THE FOX FOREVER
This has a picture of a running fox with "wsa" in tiny letter o the left
end. I have no clue about this one.

Let me know if you have any info on these pennies...

Thanks!
Liz

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From: "ROCKY ROCKHOLT" <ROCKYROCKHOLT@msn.com>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Upcoming TEC elections
Date: 22 Jul 1997 20:18:16 UT

I am not aware that the TEC Board of Directors has appointed anyone as
candidates for the forthcoming election. Nor am I aware that the current
president has announced that he will be unable to fulfill his unexpired term
of office. While this may be true, I am not aware of his condition being so
serious to necessitate that action.

It has been my experience that those folks attending the annual meets have, in
the past, elected the slate of officers and directors. It is probably not the
way the bylaws call for the election to be handled but that is how it had been
done.

I suggest that anyone attending that annual meeting bring the question up from
the floor and get it handled with those officers and directors in attendance.
Unfortunately, I will not be attending.

Please keep me in the loop!

Rocky Rockholt

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Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 1997 1:18 AM
Cc: ROCKY ROCKHOLT

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> > If the Constitution was amended at the last meeting, then this is
> > all pointless and I apologize. But I doubt that to be the case. I just
> > want to know what happened. Actually that's not all I want. I also want
> > o get to cast my vote!
> >
>
> Actually, the reason for this rush election is because the current TEC
> president is very ill and recently announced that he could not fullfill
> his duties for the last year of his term (which was to start Aug 1). Ray
> Dillard (TEC's last Pres, and current V.P.) is not able to step up. For
> this reason, the board nominated a couple of us to fill in in a pinch.
> Usually we do have mail ballots where all members vote.... please excuse
> me for not remembering the details when you first asked... I am in
> pretty rough shape at the moment.
> --

Okay, that's a good reason. I am sorry to hear about Gus. This
is all the more reason, however, to get TEC online. Then this info could
be distributed to ALL the members in a timely fashion. I hope this will
be mentioned in the upcoming TEC News. The reason my .sig shows me as an
'exCoinmaster' is because the officers kept changing the club without
mentioning (much less discussing) thing with the members. So far, TEC
has been wonderful, I just have a fear (bordering paranoia) of "Old Boys'
Clubs".

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Matthew Birchard <psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: (elongates) Hello
Date: 23 Jul 1997 14:47:04 -0700 (PDT)

Hi,
I've just subscribed to this list. Just wanted to say "hello".
I've been collecting for, oh, around 10 years now. I haven't been very
active lately, though maybe this list will help. Well, that's all for
now. I hope to see some traffic here.

Matt Birchard
TEC# 1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail: psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 23 Jul 1997 19:39:56 -0400 (EDT)

Please note:

The Main Street Train Station and Pirates of the Caribbean EC roller requires
the coin to be placed facing the opposite direciton of other machines in the
park i.e. face right. Also the Train Station machine may require a swift
kick or "rock and roll" before it will let go of the goods :-).

The machine number 526, Snow White, Wicked Witch, and Bashful is down. :- (
The park tells me it will be up in a day or two. (I will follow up on this).

If there is any machine that is down when the group "lands" at the park, I'll
run some pickups of the missing coins for cost and postage when the machines
are up.

-Bob Hoff
TEC #2033

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From: Bob Fritsch <rfritsch@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) The NY convention
Date: 23 Jul 1997 22:11:38 -0400

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> But, he'll have some of these at the Mass convention - right?

If you're referring to the NENA Conference and Convention in
Marlborough, MA on 22-23 August, the answer is YES. However, an ANA
Convention is an Event, and not to be missed if you have an opportunity
to attend.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
rfritsch@concentric.net

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello Everyone!
Date: 23 Jul 1997 22:15:50 -0700

Liz wrote:
> If there is any info on these...
>
> 805th T. D. BN. SEEK STRIKE DESTROY 1984
> This has a picture of a cat biting a tank.

JACK WILCOX (TEC #332) had commissioned Frank Brazzell to roll
commemorative elongated coins for his military reunions for quite a few
years in a row--The coin you describe is one of them. Interestingly
enough, I am producing the 805th T.D. BN reunion coin for this year's
gathering--It depicts a pack-mule and soldier, and features a
barbed-wire border.

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

******** ****************** ******************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Rocky's response to Election comments
Date: 23 Jul 1997 19:12:16 -0700 (PDT)

I received the following message from Rocky Rockholt, TEC
Director today. I have left the entirety of the previous messages
attached for anyone interested.

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Cc: ROCKY ROCKHOLT <RockyRockholt@msn.com>

I am not aware that the TEC Board of Directors has appointed anyone as
candidates for the forthcoming election. Nor am I aware that the current
president has announced that he will be unable to fulfill his unexpired term
of office. While this may be true, I am not aware of his condition being so
serious to necessitate that action.

It has been my experience that those folks attending the annual meets have, in
the past, elected the slate of officers and directors. It is probably not the
way the bylaws call for the election to be handled but that is how it had been
done.

I suggest that anyone attending that annual meeting bring the question up from
the floor and get it handled with those officers and directors in attendance.
Unfortunately, I will not be attending.

Please keep me in the loop!

Rocky Rockholt

-- ---Original Message-- ---
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 1997 1:18 AM
Cc: ROCKY ROCKHOLT

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> > If the Constitution was amended at the last meeting, then this is
> > all pointless and I apologize. But I doubt that to be the case. I just
> > want to know what happened. Actually that's not all I want. I also want
> > o get to cast my vote!
> >
>
> Actually, the reason for this rush election is because the current TEC
> president is very ill and recently announced that he could not fullfill
> his duties for the last year of his term (which was to start Aug 1). Ray
> Dillard (TEC's last Pres, and current V.P.) is not able to step up. For
> this reason, the board nominated a couple of us to fill in in a pinch.
> Usually we do have mail ballots where all members vote.... please excuse
> me for not remembering the details when you first asked... I am in
> pretty rough shape at the moment.
> --

Okay, that's a good reason. I am sorry to hear about Gus. This
is all the more reason, however, to get TEC online. Then this info could
be distributed to ALL the members in a timely fashion. I hope this will
be mentioned in the upcoming TEC News. The reason my .sig shows me as an
'exCoinmaster' is because the officers kept changing the club without
mentioning (much less discussing) thing with the members. So far, TEC
has been wonderful, I just have a fear (bordering paranoia) of "Old Boys'
Clubs".

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Upcoming TEC elections
Date: 23 Jul 1997 19:25:09 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, ROCKY ROCKHOLT wrote:

> I am not aware that the TEC Board of Directors has appointed anyone as
> candidates for the forthcoming election. Nor am I aware that the current
> president has announced that he will be unable to fulfill his unexpired term
> of office. While this may be true, I am not aware of his condition being so
> serious to necessitate that action.

Well, if you got your TEC News today as I did, then you should be
aware of it now. It was quite a shock to me (as is evident from my prior
messages). Howard's column mentions briefly that all of the officers
have "agreed to renomination" except for Gus and that Willy will be
running. It also mentions that nominations will remain open until
election time.

My concern has not been over the nominations made, but rather of
the appearance of things happening "behind closed doors" in contradiction
of the Constitution and by-laws.

>
> It has been my experience that those folks attending the annual meets have, in
> the past, elected the slate of officers and directors. It is probably not the
> way the bylaws call for the election to be handled but that is how it had been
> done.

I had the opposite impression. My first exposure to TEC was a
sample copy of the '95 convention issue. And if memory serves (which it
may well not) it came with a ballot and 'numbered envelope' as mentioned
in the constitution. I did not vote, of course, as I was not a member at
the time, but just checking out the club.

> I suggest that anyone attending that annual meeting bring the question up from
> the floor and get it handled with those officers and directors in attendance.
> Unfortunately, I will not be attending.
>
I agree. This is an issue that should be resolved one way or the
other. I will not be able to attend either (New York's a long way for
me), but would really like to have this situation resolved. There are
MANY members who will be unable to attend the meeting. I feel they
should still have a vote. This message is being crossposted to The
Elongated Coin Mailing List which has many subscribers who will be
attending, so hopefully one (or more) of them will bring this up.

> Please keep me in the loop!
>
Will do Rocky. I have forwarded both your response and this
message to the Mialing List and will continue to do so until the thread
dies (or you join the list <hint hint, nudge nudge>)

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) 805th T.D. BN elongates
Date: 23 Jul 1997 19:32:36 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Liz wrote:
> > If there is any info on these...
> >
> > 805th T. D. BN. SEEK STRIKE DESTROY 1984
> > This has a picture of a cat biting a tank.
>
> JACK WILCOX (TEC #332) had commissioned Frank Brazzell to roll

I just LOVE this list 8-) I am planning on posting several
elongates for attribution help, and the '92 issue of this coin was one of
them. Now I know without having to ask!

I am left with one question, however. What does the BN stand
for? I'm assuming (now) that T.D. is 'Tank Division', but what's the BN.
for? Battalion? Hmmm....that doesn't seem to work.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) 805th T.D. BN elongates
Date: 23 Jul 1997 22:53:44 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:
> I just LOVE this list 8-) I am planning on posting several
> elongates for attribution help, and the '92 issue of this coin was one of
> them. Now I know without having to ask!
>
> I am left with one question, however. What does the BN stand
> for? I'm assuming (now) that T.D. is 'Tank Division', but what's the BN.
> for? Battalion? Hmmm....that doesn't seem to work.

Actually Chris,
The T.D. is for "Tank Destroyer", but yes, BN is for Battalion.

--Willy

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Hello Everyone!
Date: 23 Jul 1997 20:07:12 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 23 Jul 1997 Egd9020@aol.com wrote:

> Hi, I just subcribed to this list. My name is Liz,

Welcome to the list, Liz!

> I go to SSU in MD, but

If you're back in Maryland by August 15th, you might want to
check out the MSNA convention. They're issueing elongates commemorating
the show and Ray Dillard will apparently be there. From what I hear he
always brings a large number of elongates to the shows as well as rolling
the official coins. If you want contact info for the show, just ask and
I'll send it private e-mail (unless of course, numerous people from the
list are interestd).

> spend the summers at home in south NJ.

Which means you can attend the ANA convention in NY!!! If you'd
like to get more involved in elongates I HIGHLY recommend attending.

> have no idea where they are from!!! I have an incomplet set of Zodiac
> pennies...I need Leo and Taurus. The bad news is that I have no doubles...so
> I could buy them. If there is any info on thes Zodiac penies...please let me
> know...

Well, I posted this to The Penny Page, but I'll repeat it here as well:
check out http://members.aol.com/BKornoleje/index.html Bill's got some
Zodiacs available. It is important to note, however, that there have
been numerous zodiac sets issued. I have a Gemini with a couple
copulating and have seen a set with the name and symbol at the top, a
line drawing of the standard picture in the center, and the dates and
planet symbol at the bottom. What do yours look like.

> Here are some other strainge pennies:
<snip>
> Let me know if you have any info on these pennies...

Sorry, don't know anything about these 8-(

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) List meet @ Disneyland
Date: 23 Jul 1997 20:13:34 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 23 Jul 1997 R0BERTH0FF@aol.com wrote:

> The Main Street Train Station and Pirates of the Caribbean EC roller requires
> the coin to be placed facing the opposite direciton of other machines in the
> park i.e. face right. Also the Train Station machine may require a swift
> kick or "rock and roll" before it will let go of the goods :-).

Thanx for the tips! This is good info to know in advance.

> The machine number 526, Snow White, Wicked Witch, and Bashful is down. :- (
> The park tells me it will be up in a day or two. (I will follow up on this).

Well according to those on the Disney newsgroups the park
typically gets the machines fixed with a day if not hours. My experience
at Paramount's Great America has been that one or two complaints and the
machines get fixed mighty quick.

> If there is any machine that is down when the group "lands" at the park, I'll
> run some pickups of the missing coins for cost and postage when the machines
> are up.

Hopefully we will not need to take you up on this, but I
appreciate the offer and will keep it in mind.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Subscription Page is UP!!!
Date: 23 Jul 1997 21:27:21 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!!

With many thanx to ..., the sobscribe/onsobscribe page
is up and working!! (Yes those words are misspelled intentionally.
Otherwise the message gets sent to list-owner).

The URL for the page is:

http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm

So, if when you talk up the list, be sure to pass on this URL.
Willy has already offered to link from his page to this one. I hope
others with pages will do the same.

While you're out surfing be sure to check out Kathy's Penny Page
(just remove 'listsub.htm' from the above url)!!

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) New TEC News
Date: 23 Jul 1997 22:05:06 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

I arrived home tonight to be welcomed by the new issue of TEC
News, and thought I would give a review of sorts here.

My first two impressions brought disappointment: 1) My article
about the internet was not published 8-(, and 2) there was no free coin!
Did mine just get lost in the mail or did none of you receive a freebie
with this issue?

Overall, the issue looks great! The new 'image' Corey has
designed makes for very pleasurable reading. I do miss seeing the TEC
owl at the top of each page though.

Gus's column is another sad note as he announces what Willy told
all of us a few days ago, that he is stepping down due to ill health. He
also is the first (of several in this ish) to put out the call for
exhibitors at ANA. Pete, are you officially an exhibitor?
Exhibiting at Coin Shows is a VERY important part of building the
hobby. No, I haven't done so yet, either, but I'm working on it. If
TEC can show ANA that there is enough interest in elongates they will
begin awarding a "Dottie Dow Award" to the best elongated exhibitor at
each ANA convention. This would be great for the hobby as well as giving
Dottie her due. If it weren't for her there may very well have been no
TEC and no reference works for collectors.

Corey's Column (From The Editor) has a few high points. He
furthers the push for getting TEC online, devoting over half his column
to this topic. He also mentions Big Al's page for WDW sets which I found
ironic. The big news in this column is the huzzah he gives The Squished
Penny Museum and their Centinel. (Congrat's Pete and Christine) He also
mentions a new elongate club in Virginia, but doesn't give any contact
info. Anyone know anything about this club?
Corey also mentions that he received no feedback from the ads he
ran in the last TEC News. It is important to read the classifieds page
in TEC News and support your fellow members.

Ray Dillard's article on the 1996 ANA Convention was still
interesting even a year late! (It got misplaced, but was recently
rediscovered). This article made me all the more sad I am unable to
attend this year. Ray also mentions the need for exhibitors. The last
paragraph mentions that 'the world's rarest elongated coin was displayed
in its revolving display case'. Anyone know what coin this is? I would
assume it is the Wein 1818 Angelo is always advertising for, can anyone
confirm or deny?

Hearsay from Howard deals with convention issues and is the only
place this years election is really mentioned (other than the nominee
statements). His explanation is very brief and pales next to the one
that Willy provided the list. All of the convention issues are presented
(and pictured). They're cute, but I much prefer the 1995 ANA NUMISmagic
coins. Personally I like Mark Mears' concept of the owl King King. This
sounds really cool!

Martin's Mutterings covers several topics (as usual -- - I love
the way Lee writes 8-). Sadly, he mentions that he is leaving the 'net
(I never knew he was on it!) He mentions that he received zero samples
of colored elongates in response to his request in the last issue. Has
anyone ever colored an elongate? I've never actually seen one, though I
have heard of them. What do people use to do this? Paint? Markers?

Jess Kirby weighed in with part one of an article about selling
elongates. Some very good advice here for anyone interested in
generating more income to spend on their collection.

Last, but not least, Peter Johnson has an article about what the TEC
website should look like. It was a good article, but I think mine would
have been more informative to more members (of course, I'm biased).

That just about covers it. There are several good ads in the
Classifieds, including one for the mailing list. Let's hope it gets us
some new subscribers!

Well, now you non-TEC members know what you missed this time
around. Don't miss another issue, join TEC today!

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) MY Internet article intended for TEC News
Date: 23 Jul 1997 22:09:58 -0700 (PDT)

The Elongated Internet

By Chris Aahz (TEC #2062)
E-Mail:Aahz@svpal.org

The 104 year old hobby of collecting elongated coins is
finally moving into the electronic age. When I received my original
TEC membership package in December it spurred me on to check out the
Internet for resources on elongated coins. I was sorely dissapointed.
Now, approximately six months later, there a numerous sites for
elongated coins and more are appearing on a fairly constant basis.
The Spring '97 issue of TEC News contained an article by Larry
Feit (#1795) proposing that TEC set up a web page with a launch date
of January 1, 1998. This is a magnificent idea. He even offered to
host the web page himself. This is a major commitment and he should
be applauded for his willingness to bring TEC into the 21st Century.
There is no reason I can see for TEC not to take advantage of his
offer. I 'meet' people on a regular basis on-line who are looking for
more information on elongated coins. It would be wonderful to give
them a web address in addition to a postal address for them to get
information. Many people are much more likely to enter a few
keystrokes into a computer then they are to write and send a letter by
hand.
What's available on the 'net now? Plenty. The first place I
encountered elongates on-line was in the rec.disney.parks newsgroups.
These newsgroups are primarily an area for people to discuss their
trips to the various Disney parks. Elongates (they call them pressed
pennies) have been discussed quite a bit in these newsgroups. Their
focus is pretty tight dealing only with Disney elongates, particularly
machine locations within the parks and surrounding hotels. If you're
planning a trip to a Disney Park you might want to drop in here and
get the latest info.
Through the Disney newsgroups I found complete lists of
machine locations at both Disneyland and Disney World/Epcot. Al Lutz'
Disneyland Information Guide - Pressed Pennies includes not only
current machine locations, but also tips on polishing and organizing
your elongates and other uses for them. He also includes lists of
other souvenir coins/tokens and discontnued elongates. For Disney
World you'll want to check out Kenny Cottrell's WDW - Penny Press
Guide. This site contains five seperate lists of machine locations:
The Magic Kingdom, Epcot Center, Disney-MGM Studios, Resort Hotels and
the 25th Anniversary Quarters. (All site addresses are listed at end
of article)
Willy Massey (TEC #1857) has taken Luck 'E' Penny online. The
largest elongated site on the internet, Willy has posted a lot of
general information on elongates, a reproduction of the TEC Membership
application, and offers numerous elongates for sale including a few
special deals for netizens. This is also the current home of The
Hitchiker's Guide to Elongated Coin Machines. This is probably the
best place to point people who are new to elongates.
The Smashed Penny Locator is maintained by Bert Creighton and
lists more than 40 locations with elongated cent machines complete
with maps. Additional information here includes materials content of
both US and Canadian cents, the TEC address, penny trivia, and links
to other coin sites (for both elongated and traditional coins).
Allan & Jen's Digital Fridge is the homepage of Allan and Jen
Daly. Amongst the personal information on the couple (and their dog,
Wally) is Allan's Smashed Penny Collection. This site currently
contains machine locations and images for a dozen different elongated
coins.
My personal favorite site is The Penny Page hosted by Kathy
... (TEC #2085). Started as a way to learn more about the
internet, The Penny Page has blossomed into a beautiful site. While
slim on general information, those already familiar with elongated
coins will find plenty here to enjoy. Kathy has scanned nearly 100
elongates and posted the images here. She is also adding more on a
fairly regular basis. Just one small click away from the main page is
the Message Board. Here, visitors can post questions or comments
regarding elongated coins and get feedback from others. Messages
remain here semi-permanently so new visitors can see what has been
discussed in the past. Topics have included machine locations, trade
offers, and what coins work best for elongates.
Those who collect elongates 'on site' have surely encountered
the name Eurolink. Possibly the largest supplier of elongated coin
machines to tourist locations, Eurolink now has a hom page as well.
Unfortunately, this site suffers the same fate as most corporate
sponsored pages: plenty of hype, little substance. Although they have
included links to many of their clients, I found little of use here.
They also include a link to allow visitors to send the company e-mail,
but I have found them unresponsive thus far.
Last, but certainly not least, I am in the process of
establishing an e-mail mailing list dedicated to elongated coins. Web
pages are generally static in that only the host can change what
information is provided (The Penny Page's Message Board being the
exception to this rule). If you want to see if any new information
has been has been added since your last visit, you must revisit the
site. Mailing lists, on the other hand, are dynamic and fully
interactive. Essentially a mailing list allows subscribers to send a
message to one address and have it automatically forwarded to everyone
subscribed to the list. Do not be fooled by the word "subscriber":
there is no cost to sign up for this service. While the list should
be active by the time you read this, I was unable to confirm the list
address before publication deadline. If you are interested in the
mailing list send me e-mail at Aahz@svpal.org
Hopefully, this article has helped our connected members to find
a new online resource or two. Perhaps, it will even be the impetus
for some of those who are not yet 'on the net' to step into the
electronic age. If you have any questions about the internet in
general, or these sites in particular, feel free to write and I will
do my best to answer them. Also, if you are aware of any online
resources not mentioned above, please drop me a line either
electronically or on paper.
Chris Aahz
925 Ravenscourt Ave #2
San Jose, CA 95128

Addresses of mentioned sites:

Disneyland Information Guide - Pressed Pennies:
http://members.aol.com/alweho/docs/penny.htm

WDW - Penny Press Guide:
http://www.wdn.com/dwills/penny.htm

Luck 'E' Penny:
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

Smashed Coin Locator:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com
/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html

Allan's Smashed Penny Collection:
http://www.ced.berkeley.edu/~adaly/smashed_pennies/pennies.html

The Penny Page:
http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/

Eurolink:
http://www.thegrid.net/eurolink/pennies.html

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New TEC News
Date: 24 Jul 1997 01:52:31 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> Greetings & Salutations!
>
> I arrived home tonight to be welcomed by the new issue of TEC
> News, and thought I would give a review of sorts here.
>
> I do miss seeing the TEC owl at the top of each page though.

Drop him an email! I'm with you on this one!!!

>
> Gus's column is another sad note as he announces what Willy told
> all of us a few days ago, that he is stepping down due to ill health. He
> also is the first (of several in this ish) to put out the call for
> exhibitors at ANA. Pete, are you officially an exhibitor?

Pete, you should contact Simpka (from MCCC - link on my page). He is a
multiple award winning exhibitor at ANA conventions (non elongated), and
also judges some of the categories... he could certainly let you know it
it is still possible to get your exhibit in THE BIG SHOW.


> He also mentions a new elongate club in Virginia, but doesn't give any contact
> info. Anyone know anything about this club?

That would be Copper Memories. They make the vending type machines for
much of the South East. It's funny... they wouldn't give me the time of
day when requesting info on their machine locations, but now they are
willing to sell that info for $19.95 per year. I can't bring myself to
support this "club" by revealing their specific address... however,
since you are my friends... they are located in Virginia Beach, Va.


>.... The last paragraph mentions that 'the world's rarest elongated coin was displayed
> in its revolving display case'. Anyone know what coin this is? I would
> assume it is the Wein 1818 Angelo is always advertising for, can anyone
> confirm or deny?

Nope! It's just some coin that Rosoto rolled only one of, and then
cancelled the die. The die read "world's rarest elongated". While no
elongated issue could be rarer than an issue of just one... many folks
have done the same thing.


> Martin's Mutterings covers several topics (as usual -- - I love
> the way Lee writes 8-). Sadly, he mentions that he is leaving the 'net
> (I never knew he was on it!) He mentions that he received zero samples
> of colored elongates in response to his request in the last issue. Has
> anyone ever colored an elongate? I've never actually seen one, though I
> have heard of them. What do people use to do this? Paint? Markers?

Some use paint, others use paint markers to color over elongated coins.
I don't really care much for colored elongateds (I'm more the purest).
However, TEC's enamaled elongated silver quarters are AWESOME!--Too bad
I don't own any :(

--Willy
TEC 1857

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) "Yesterday's Elongateds" at bargain price
Date: 23 Jul 1997 22:46:37 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Just a quick note to let everyone know that Angros Enterprises is
offering "Yesterday's Elongateds" for only $30 including postage! This a
great price! I recently purchased a copy for $45 and found it to be more
than worth the price.

For any who don't know, "Yesterday's Elongateds" is a wonderful
book by Dottie Dow and Lee Martin. It catalogs nearly all of the
elongated coins issued between 1893 and 1965 with illustrations of all
but five or six. If you have any interest in older elongates (especially
World's Fair issues then this book is a must have. And I sincerely doubt
you'll ever find it at a cheaper price.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New TEC News
Date: 23 Jul 1997 22:51:37 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> > I do miss seeing the TEC owl at the top of each page though.
>
> Drop him an email! I'm with you on this one!!!

Just finished doing just that. Do you know if the owl has a
name? If not, he needs one.

> > He also mentions a new elongate club in Virginia, but doesn't give any contact
>
> That would be Copper Memories. They make the vending type machines for

Not that I doubt you, Willy. But do you know this for sure, or
are just assuming based on location?

> > anyone ever colored an elongate? I've never actually seen one, though I
> > have heard of them. What do people use to do this? Paint? Markers?
>
> Some use paint, others use paint markers to color over elongated coins.
> I don't really care much for colored elongateds (I'm more the purest).

Gotta sign off, I believe I just may have some of those paint
markers in a box nearby...

Peace,

Aahz

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New TEC News
Date: 24 Jul 1997 02:08:55 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> > > He also mentions a new elongate club in Virginia, but doesn't give any contact
> >
> > That would be Copper Memories. They make the vending type machines for
>
> Not that I doubt you, Willy. But do you know this for sure, or
> are just assuming based on location?

This is FACT! I received thier flyer in the mail last week... It's now
in my circular file with the rest of my annoying junk mail.

--Willy

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New TEC News
Date: 24 Jul 1997 02:25:39 -0700

William C. Massey wrote:
>
> Chris Aahz wrote:
> >
> > > > He also mentions a new elongate club in Virginia, but doesn't give any contact
> > >
> > > That would be Copper Memories. They make the vending type machines for
> >
> > Not that I doubt you, Willy. But do you know this for sure, or
> > are just assuming based on location?
>
> This is FACT! I received thier flyer in the mail last week... It's now
> in my circular file with the rest of my annoying junk mail.
>
> --Willy

I feel the need to reply to my own message and explain my seemingly
harsh remarks:
Copper Memories is listed as grossing over $2.5 million annually, at the
expense of our elongated collecting community. They are well aware of
TEC, yet instead of aiding collectors by publishing their informaion in
the TEC Newsletter (free of charge), they feel the need to milk us out
of money just so that we can find their machines and BUY their
products.

--Willy

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From: Matthew Birchard <psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: Re: (elongates) MY Internet article intended for TEC News
Date: 23 Jul 1997 23:51:31 -0700 (PDT)

Just wanted to say that I enjoyed reading your article. It would
have been nice if it had been published in TEC. Oh, well, we all here
got to read it. Perhaps our editor, Corey, has simply misplaced it like
he did with Ray's convention article. :-} Your inclusion of all the
URL's was great, I just need time to check them all out.

Matt Birchard
TEC #1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail: psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu

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From: "William C. Massey" <massey@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (elongates) MY Internet article intended for TEC News
Date: 24 Jul 1997 03:37:13 -0700

Matthew Birchard wrote:
>
> Just wanted to say that I enjoyed reading your article. It would
> have been nice if it had been published in TEC. Oh, well, we all here
> got to read it. Perhaps our editor, Corey, has simply misplaced it like
> he did with Ray's convention article. :-} Your inclusion of all the
> URL's was great, I just need time to check them all out.

I agree about your fine article, Chris. I would have to assume that It
just didn't make the deadline. I know that Ray Dillard has been
concerned about the declining amount of artilces in the TEC Newsletter
lately (It used to average about 20 pages). So, I would have to think
that it will be in the next issue.

You may even wish to email Corey Wylde and ask if there was any
particular reason for the ommission of your article (he misplaced one of
mine in the past)... But for what ever reason it was ommited, It
certainly could not have been because of it's content!

Also Chris,
Thanks for the preview! Seems like us Eastcoasters are the last on the
mailing list :(

And as for the lack of Freebies in this issue... I hope you were the
only one not to get an elongated with the issue. I have yet to NOT get
a coin with my TEC News... sometimes they even send two! And while I'm
on this subject: The freebie with the next issue will be quite
nice!!!! It's a coin I'm making for artist, Lurene Haines. It depicts
a heart with wings and a halo, and reads: "Practice Random Acts of
Kindness". Lurene is a true humanitarian and has graciously offered to
donate enough coins for all TEC members (all of the coins given away
with the TEC Newsletter are donated by TEC members).

Anyone interested in seeing the art of Lurene Haines, and her husband
Dave Dorman (who is also issuing an elongated coin in the next few
weeks) should check out their website at: htttp://www.dormanart.com
They've done some amazing stuff! and if you join their FREE mailing
list, you will even get their new elongated featuring the comic hero,
"The Iguana", absolutly free with their newsletter!

--
Elongatedly Yours,

William C. Massey
TEC #1857

******** ****************** ******************

P.S.
Please visit The LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) MY Internet article intended for TEC News
Date: 24 Jul 1997 00:59:42 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, William C. Massey wrote:

> Matthew Birchard wrote:
> >
> > Just wanted to say that I enjoyed reading your article. It would
<snip>
>
> I agree about your fine article, Chris.

Thank you both 8-)

> I would have to assume that It just didn't make the deadline.

I know it made the deadline. I e-mailed it to Corey the day
before the deadline. He commented that it was a bit long and he would
probably have to shorten it, I then edited it myself, removing about 20%
of it and resubmitted it on the day of the deadline.

Most likely it was not printed for two reasons: 1) There was
already a complete article on TEC and the Internet, and 2) With Ray's
found article there just wasn't space. If he has filed it for future use
then it will be out of date when printed. I was really hoping to see it
in this issue since this one will be distributed at ANA and thus will
reach a much larger audience. But c'est la vie (or however it's spelled).

> I know that Ray Dillard has been
> concerned about the declining amount of artilces in the TEC Newsletter
> lately (It used to average about 20 pages). So, I would have to think
> that it will be in the next issue.

The call for articles was the thing that finally got me to sit
down and write it. I hadn't written anything for publication in about
ten years. Perhaps Pete can use it in The Centennial.

The new issue is 16 pages. Frankly, I'd like to see around 24
pages every month. Four issues a year is just not enough for me. I read
and re-read each issue. One of the reasons I am so pleased with this
list (and mailing lists in general) is that information can be gotten out
not only on a timely basis, but in 'conversation' format. There is
feedback on specific issues without waiting 3 months, no page limits due
to financial constraints, and no lead time!

Since the list has been so succesful, the idea of a secondary
elongates club has been tickling the back of my mind. That's why I was
so interested in the validity of the Virginia 'club'. Don't get me
wrong, I'm not talking about an overthrow of TEC. TEC is an integral,
and essential, part of elongate collecting. But just as the hundreds of
coin clubs do not detract from the ANA, perhaps there's room for two
elongate clubs. Just random thoughts floating thru my brain. Any thoughts?

> Also Chris,
> Thanks for the preview! Seems like us Eastcoasters are the last on the
> mailing list :(

At least there's SOME consulation for living in California ;)
>

> And as for the lack of Freebies in this issue... I hope you were the

I hope so too! Not only are the freebies a great incentive to
join TEC, but I've received several of my favorite issues this way.

I would really like to hear from each TEC member that reads this
as to wether or not you got your freebie.

> nice!!!! It's a coin I'm making for artist, Lurene Haines. It depicts
> a heart with wings and a halo, and reads: "Practice Random Acts of
> Kindness". Lurene is a true humanitarian and has graciously offered to

This sounds pretty neat. If I don't get THAT one, heads will
roll! 8-)

> Anyone interested in seeing the art of Lurene Haines, and her husband
> Dave Dorman (who is also issuing an elongated coin in the next few

I've seen Dave's work at comic shows. He's great!

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) "Yesterday's Elongateds" at bargain price
Date: 24 Jul 1997 08:31:14 -0400

Do you have an address for it?
- Jeff
At 10:46 PM 7/23/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Greetings & Salutations!
>
> Just a quick note to let everyone know that Angros Enterprises is
>offering "Yesterday's Elongateds" for only $30 including postage! This a
>great price! I recently purchased a copy for $45 and found it to be more
>than worth the price.
>
> For any who don't know, "Yesterday's Elongateds" is a wonderful
>book by Dottie Dow and Lee Martin. It catalogs nearly all of the
>elongated coins issued between 1893 and 1965 with illustrations of all
>but five or six. If you have any interest in older elongates (especially
>World's Fair issues then this book is a must have. And I sincerely doubt
>you'll ever find it at a cheaper price.
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
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>
>
>
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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) The NY convention
Date: 24 Jul 1997 08:50:52 -0400

The big problem I see is that everybody seems to be heading out on Friday.
I can't make it there until Saturday. :(
If Ray's going to be at both places, and I can order the passport, it
doesn't make as much sense.

- Jeff
At 10:11 PM 7/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Jeff Dixon wrote:
>>
>> But, he'll have some of these at the Mass convention - right?
>
>If you're referring to the NENA Conference and Convention in
>Marlborough, MA on 22-23 August, the answer is YES. However, an ANA
>Convention is an Event, and not to be missed if you have an opportunity
>to attend.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bob Fritsch
>rfritsch@concentric.net
>
>
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) "Yesterday's Elongateds" at bargain price
Date: 24 Jul 1997 08:27:17 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> Do you have an address for it?
> - Jeff
> At 10:46 PM 7/23/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >Greetings & Salutations!
> >
> > Just a quick note to let everyone know that Angros Enterprises is
> >offering "Yesterday's Elongateds" for only $30 including postage! This a
> >great price! I recently purchased a copy for $45 and found it to be more
> >than worth the price.
> >

Oops! the ad is in the Classisfieds in TEC News, but for those
without, the address is:

Angros Enterprises
70 Grove St.
New Milford, CT 06776

Mention hearing about it in both TEC News and on The ELongated
COin Mialing List and I'll be your friend 8-)

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Jeff Dixon <jeffd@kurzweil.com>
Subject: Re: (elongates) "Yesterday's Elongateds" at bargain price
Date: 24 Jul 1997 11:44:42 -0400

I haven't received my issue yet *pout*.

- Jeff
At 08:27 AM 7/24/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
>> Do you have an address for it?
>> - Jeff
>> At 10:46 PM 7/23/97 -0700, you wrote:
>> >Greetings & Salutations!
>> >
>> > Just a quick note to let everyone know that Angros Enterprises is
>> >offering "Yesterday's Elongateds" for only $30 including postage! This a
>> >great price! I recently purchased a copy for $45 and found it to be more
>> >than worth the price.
>> >
>
> Oops! the ad is in the Classisfieds in TEC News, but for those
>without, the address is:
>
> Angros Enterprises
> 70 Grove St.
> New Milford, CT 06776
>
> Mention hearing about it in both TEC News and on The ELongated
>COin Mialing List and I'll be your friend 8-)
>
> Peace,
>
> Aahz
>
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>
>
>
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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Painting Elongates
Date: 24 Jul 1997 09:24:20 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

Well, I painted my first elongate last night. I tried three
different types of markers that I hadlying around, but none worked very
well. The ink wouldn't 'stick' to the coin. So, I pulled out some
acrylic craft paint and went to work. My lack of painting skills aside
I'm very pleased with the result. I will be doing more in the future and
perhaps I'll send some along with future trades.
Just wanted to share.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Upcoming TEC elections (fwd)
Date: 24 Jul 1997 11:52:49 -0700 (PDT)

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Greetings Chris, I spoke with Corey Wylde last night about another matter and
he did confirm that Gus will not be running again. You were correct.

Regarding the election of officers and board of directors - they should be
elected by the membership in total by a combination of absentee votes and by
the votes of the members that attend the annual meeting. I am uncertain what
has happened in the past under our former leadership.

Again, please keep me in the loop.

Rocky Rockholt

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Upcoming TEC elections
Date: 24 Jul 1997 12:02:04 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, ROCKY ROCKHOLT wrote:

> Regarding the election of officers and board of directors - they should be
> elected by the membership in total by a combination of absentee votes and by
> the votes of the members that attend the annual meeting. I am uncertain what
> has happened in the past under our former leadership.

I agree, but this is not what is happening. Thelection will be
in eight days and there has been no absentee ballot distributed or even
an official list of candidates. Ray, Anita, and Willy each have 'nominee
statements' in the current TEC News, but that what about the positions of
Secretary and 'Governors' (I assume the current title of this position is
Director). Speaking of Governors, there are only two listed in the TEC
News masthead, yet the Constitution calls for three. Are each of the
nominees running uncontested? What about that third governor/director
slot? These are questions that beg to be answered.

I am constantly 'talking up' TEC, both online and in person.
However, it is things like this that can easily lead to deteriation.

>
> Again, please keep me in the loop.
>
The subject is not generating much interest on my mailing list.
Most of the TEC members there joined this year, so don't yet have a real
feel for the organization. I also know that some people prefer to steer
clear of politics for fear of rustling the wrong feathers. I will,
however, continue to keep you informed.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: (elongates) Re: My articl in new TEC News (fwd)
Date: 24 Jul 1997 12:35:25 -0700 (PDT)

For those of you who enjoyed my article and wondered why it was
not printed, here is the unsolicited reason from Corey Wylde, TEC
editor. It's pretty much what I thought.

Peace,

Aahz

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Chris- Thanks for the kudos. I believe you have an article pending on various
elongated internet sites. I did not use it this issue because I didn't want
to overwhelm our non-electronic members with barrels full of cyberspace. They
have been the backbone of this club for years and are still the majority. The
trend is changing tho. If you have any more sites to add to your artilce
between now and the 1st of September, send them in.

-Corey

PS I''ll try to squeeze the owl in somewhere beginning with the January
issue.

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From: Matthew Birchard <psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: (elongates) Freebies
Date: 24 Jul 1997 12:51:58 -0700 (PDT)

Since Chris asked, Yes, I did get my freebie coin with my issue
of TEC News. These freebies have been the only new coins that I've received
in awhile. I just don't get out much into collection. I have them from
all the local machines, and I'm just to lazy/broke/lazy to send away for
any more. Maybe if I bought a machine it would spur me on to learn how
to engrave and issue my own coins. Someday, someday. I'm still young ya
know; I've got many years ahead of me yet to enjoy and further the hobby.

Matt Birchard
TEC: #1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail: psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu

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From: Chris Aahz <aahz@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Freebies
Date: 24 Jul 1997 12:58:20 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:

> in awhile. I just don't get out much into collection. I have them from
> all the local machines, and I'm just to lazy/broke/lazy to send away for

This is what trading is for!! If you like I'll send you my trade
list via private e-mail (you just missed the list posting by a few
days). Let me know off-list.

> any more. Maybe if I bought a machine it would spur me on to learn how
> to engrave and issue my own coins. Someday, someday. I'm still young ya
> know; I've got many years ahead of me yet to enjoy and further the hobby.

Go for it! There are plenty available. Check the classifieds of
TEC News, or e-mail Bill at BKornoelje@aol.com. He's offereing his
machine, two die rolls (one w/four designs), and his entire stock of
elongates for $2500. Seems like a pretty good deal considering the stock
that comes with hit.

Peace,

Aahz

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From: R0BERTH0FF@aol.com
Subject: (elongates) New list machine for Disneyland?
Date: 24 Jul 1997 16:02:36 -0400 (EDT)

Hi;

Just want to report that my 11 year old found a new (for me) machine at
Disneyland.

It is a three die, with Tinkerbell, Capt. Hook, and Peter Pan. Location is
Teddy Bearra's Swingin' Arcade in Critter Country. According to my sources.
:-)

Didn't get the machine number, sorry Dave.

Happy Collecting,
-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

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